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A42786 Remarks on remarks, or, The Rector of Bury's sermon vindicated his charge exhibited against the dissenters for endeavouring to corrupt the word of God justified and farther confirmed : also the absurdities and notorious falsities of Mr. Owen and other pretended ministers of the Gospel are detected and expos'd / by Thomas Gipps, Rector of Bury. Gipps, Thomas, d. 1709. 1698 (1698) Wing G780; ESTC R34916 57,995 68

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Slur upon the Word of God and question'd its Divine Authority But Dr. L. further adds pag. 542. That it was one Fundamental of the Sadducees Faith That no Article in Religion ought to be admitted which cannot be made out plainly from the Five Books of Moses From hence it appears that they did not believe the other Books of Scripture to be of equal Authority with the Pentateuch nor sufficient of themselves to establish any Doctrine of Faith Now whereas the Doctor argues and proves out of his Rabbins that the Sadducees and Samaritans us'd and read and believ'd all the other Books as well as the Pentateuch and that they were not ignorant of 'em nor accounted 'em Tales and of no value and again that those Books were known to 'em and of Authority among ' em All this I readily grant for they doubtless highly esteem'd the rest of the Scripture and ●in●d it in confirmation of any Doctrine reveal'd by Moses as we Christians do the Primitive Fathers tho' uninspir'd I have been longer on this trivial Subject than I intended Only let the Reader mark how the two Ministers are here Advocating for the Samaritans and Sadducees as they before undertook the Protection of the other Jews In good time the Dissenters will comprehend these also Some of the Quakers and Anabaptists the Modern Sadducees and Mahometans I mean the Socinians and almost all the Nation of Schismaticks and Hereticks are in their Interests already The Samaritans and Jews are happily coming into the Confederacy 7. The Rector laid down this Observation also We diminish from the Word when we lay it aside as not necessary or not the Supreme Rule of Faith Hereunto Mr. O. answers This implys as if there were some other at least subordinate Rules of Faith We know no other Rule of Divine Faith but the Holy Scripture The Man thinks verily he has caught me now But I am not afraid to say there are many subordinate Rules of Faith and do pretend here to teach him them because he seems to be ignorant of them I reckon then that whatsoever confirms or illustrates any Doctrine is a Subordinate Rule of Faith for whatsoever doth make manifest is Light Eph. 5. 13. Such are the ancient Creeds Catechisms Decrees of Councils Testimony of Fathers Consent of Adversaries the Instructions of Parents the Dictates of Wise and Good Men the Voice of Conscience the Light of Natural Reason the Preaching of the Word the Intimations of Providence and lastly Universal Tradition every one of which when it administers Light to the Divine Truths contain'd in the Word of God are Subordinate Rules of Faith But of all these Universal Tradition may on very good Grounds be accounted a Rule For I ask Mr. Owen why he believes the Scripture to be Divinely inspir'd but because 't is transmitted unto us as such by Universal Tradition The Excellency of its Moral Precepts the high Strains and noble Flights of Piety which we meet with there renders it worthy every good Man's Acceptation true but they prove not that 't was written by Inspiration For then Plato and Seneca St. Ignatius and St. Clemens Romanus the Seven Wise Men of Greece and Mr. O. may reckon himself the eighth if he please and a thousand other celebrated Authors might lay claim to Inspiration The Miracles reported in Scripture to have been wrought by the Authors or Divine Writers of the Books do not evince 'em to have been written by Inspiration until it be first made out that those Writers did work those Miracles and this cannot be proved at this time of day but by Tradition So then it is the Universal Testimony of the Church in conjunction with that vein of intrinsick Goodness and Piety running through all the Holy Scriptures which convinces us that they were deliver'd by Persons inspir'd and authoriz'd thereto by God Tradition therefore is at least a Subordinate Rule of Faith and confirms the Divine Authority of the Books of Scripture Another perhaps would affirm it the first and leading Rule But I give Mr. O. liberty to assign it which place he pleases Only I ask whether this Minister of the Gospel who pretends to be a Teacher of others and a Guide of the Blind was ever yet able to give a solid Reason of his own Faith and of the Hope that is in him He can never do it without the help of Tradition The Rector added under this Head some things concerning the Sufficiency Perspicuity and Supreme Authority of the Scripture which this Critick being it seems in a better humour than ordinarily that Generation of Men are is pleas'd out of his great Condescension to declare Are well Asserted But I must confess I like not the Rector one jot the better for this Commendation and yet wish I could in any measure return his Complement and let him know that he has said any one thing well and wisely in his Remarks Master said those vile and Hypocritical Pharisees and Herodians we know that thou art true and teachest the way of God in Truth c. when at the same time they had a design upon Jesus Christ to puzzle and insnare him with a cramp Question So my Adversary here notwithstanding his Commendations has something against the Rector Some Men can never be pleas'd and the Remarker is one of that number I perceive Tell me says he is it lawful to Impose indifferent things His words are Were this Principle practically acknowledg'd it would soon heal our breaches c. As who should say did we once lay aside Vnscriptural Terms of Communion and thereby Practically acknowledg the Sufficiency Perspicuity and Supreme Authority of the Scriptures all would be well in a trice an end then would be put to our Divisions Verily if this would do the feat I would embrace it with both arms I 'd do any thing for the purchase of so valuable a Blessing But how comes this wise Seer to look so far before him as to assure us of this good issue the experiment has been once made already but without success Time was when Episcopacy was exploded and the Unscriptural Terms of Communion here complain'd of laid aside but were our breaches soon healed It was so far from that that they were not healed at all nor ever will be upon the Presbyterian and Congregational Principles Our Division were increas'd and multiply'd Schisms and Heresies grew to be as numerous as the Heads of Hydra In short I know no way of healing our Breaches but that every Man should obey them that have the Rule over 'em in all lawful things q.d. which are not forbidden by God For why should any one presume to scruple or call that unclean which the Lord has not made so They are much more superstitious who abhor a Surplice than they who wear it I lastly observ'd that We diminish from the Word when we add any thing to it I mention'd the Apocrypha which the Romanists insert
veteri Romano sequitur à ligno eoquo modo affertur à Sancto Cyprian Just Mart. Tertulliano Sancto Leone Papa in hymno Ecclesiastico Regnavit à ligno Deus Besides this most ancient Father and Martyr and the most Learned too of all others in and before his time has produced a great many Examples of the like kind and not a few whole Periods or smaller Sections intirely expung'd which the Jews then living and disputing with him were not able to deny or any ways palliate So that all the pretended Care of the Jews notwithstanding the Hebrew Copy had been corrupted early in the Second Century and according to Vossius soon after the Destruction of Jerusalem by Vespasian and remains so unto this present time I must not pass over Vossius's main Argument but will represent it in very few words He shews that the Ancient Jews believed their Messiah would come about the 6000 Year from the Creation and that they expected him about the time when Jesus was born those two Periods being coincident It follows hence 1. That they believ'd the World 6000 years old at the Birth of Jesus 2. That the Ancient Hebrew Copies reckon'd 6000 years from Adam to Jesus else the Jews could not have been in expectation of the Messiah when Jesus was born if their Chronology had then been the same as it is this day 3. From the whole it must be confest that the Modern Hebrew Copies are corrupted the World according to them being at the Birth of Jesus but about 4000 years old The 2000 years wanting in the present Hebrew are supply'd in a great measure by the Seventy's Copy in the Chronology of the Patriarchs the Remainder are made good out of the Intervals of the Judges of Israel and the Reigns of the Persian Kings which the Jews have shorten'd and drawn the Christians into their Error Hereunto may be added another Observation near of kind unto the former St. Luke Chap. 4. 35 36 v. affirms Sala was the Son of Cainan Cainan the Son of Arpbaxad But Gen. 11. 12 v. Sala is reckon'd the immediate Son of Arphaxad and Cainan quite left out in the Hebrew Copy whereas the Vatican Seventy agrees with St. Luke which is a Demonstration that the Jews have corrupted the Hebrew By this one Artifice of theirs are lost 130 years I expect here the Remarker or the Note-maker will for the sake of the Hebrew give the Holy Evangelist such another Character as upon the like occasion their Friend Jerom did That Corruption of Psal 22. 16. v. is known and acknowledg'd by all The Jews read it thus As a Lion instead of They pierced my hands and my feet So the Evangelist Mark 15. 24. and the Seventy more truly have it the difference is but the half of a very small Letter sc 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is less than that between Y and W and the Epenthesis of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is common among 'em in other Cases But after all this it was nothing to me or to my Argument in the Sermon whether the Jews corrupted the Seventy only or the Hebrew also or both I 'll suppose it was the Seventy only which is all Mr. O. contends for yet still my Bill of Indictment laid against the Jews must be found For the Scripture is the Word of God in whatever Language 't is written They who would excuse the Jews for Corrupting the Seventy only and not the Hebrew in good time will defend the Corrupting the English Version only and not the Original Greek But if the latter Defence will not bring off the false Cameronian neither will the former justifie the faithless Jews I wish then the Jews the Scotch Presbyterians and Mr. O. in the name of his Brethren in England to concert these Matters among ' emselves for the Good of Christendom The Rector briefly noted that the Samaritans and Sadducees rejected all but the Five Books of Moses and the Minister calls this a Vulgar Error let us see on what Grounds Mr. Owen pleads that whereas Josephus affirms The Sadducees to have receiv'd the Law only the Historian in another place explains himself as if he meant The written Law in Opposition to the Oral In proof whereof he sends me back unto the 13th b. and 18 Chap. I am there and read 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. But now I will shew that the Pharisees having receiv'd from the Fathers many things as legal which were not written in the Law of Moses deliver'd them unto the People And for this cause the Sadducees rejected them alledging that those things only were to be accounted Legal which were written sc in the Laws of Moses but that they ought not to observe the Traditions of the Fathers I will not insist upon this that some Learned Men have thought the Prophetical Books of Scripture were by the Sadducees reckon'd among the Oral Traditions of the Fathers nor will I deny tho' there be reason to doubt that Josephus's Passage in his Eighteenth Book is to be understood in the same Sense as that in the Thirteenth Book and that they explain one another However this be he speaks only of the Traditions added unto the Laws of Moses which the Sadducees rejected but not a Syllable concerning the Prophetical Writings which whether the Sadducees rejected or not remains still to be examin'd Mr. O. assures us 't is a Vulgar Error But Mr. Pool in his Synopsis informs me 't was the constant Opinion of the Fathers and never contradicted til Scaliger and Drusius of late advanc'd the contrary Opinion I hope the Minister will not thrust down the Fathers into the Vulgar Forme The Sadducees in all Probability would never have deny'd the Resurrection if they had entertain'd a just esteem of the Prophetical Books Hence our Lord overlooking all the other more plain and convincing Testimonies in the Prophetical Writings singl'd out that of Moses Exod. 3. 6. I am the God of thy Father the God of Abraham c. as the most proper and effectual Argument ad Hominem in proof of the Resurrection which the Sadducees on their own Principles cou'd not deny tho' they might have avoided the other But the Remarker sends me to the Learn'd Dr. Lightfoot for further satisfaction herein Vol. 2. pag. 541 542. I am content to stand to this Gentleman's Judgment Dr. Lightfoot then pag. 541. grants that the Samaritans might so reject all the Books of the Old Testament except the Pentateuch as to forbid their being read in the Synagogues Even this Concession alone were I should think sufficient to my purpose The Sadducees and Samaritans forbad the rest of the Scripture to be read in the Publick Congregations If the Hagiographa and Prophets were now by a Positive Order forbid to be read in our Churches we should have Mr. O I question not soon about our Ears as Men that put a
foresaid Six Heads by Face They were Masters of King's Trinity St. John's Jesus Clare-Hall and Emmanuel it self I think I may add another of Christ's Colledge I spare their Names Moreover in Trinity Colledge Oxford there are but Twelve Fellows Ten of which were turn'd out at the Purgation and their Places all supply'd by a like number from Cambridge 'T is manifest then that a great Part of the University was not well affected to Episcopacy Mr. O. might do well to ask Mr. Tallents whether he was well affected to Episcopacy in 38 or 40. I might add that the King 's and Parliament's Armies were no sooner in the Field but the Scholars were up in the University and fighting some for the King and some for the Parliament and that with various Success too From the whole then it may be gather'd that it was not impossible but that the Corruption of the 6th of Acts might have been first contriv'd at Cambridge in the Year 1638. The Ferments which the whole Nation and the University it self were then in might give a favourable opportunity and encouragement to the attempt It being too frequent and as it were natural unto most Men to adore the Rising Sun The Minister has labour'd to prove that the Reformation in Scotland was first cast into the Presbyterian Plat-form The contrary hereunto is fully prov'd in that learned Treatise Entituled The Fundamental Charter of Presbytery examin'd and disprov'd c. He means the Article in the Claim of Right Apr. 11. 1689. wherein Prelacy is asserted to be and to have been a great and insupportable grievance and trouble unto the Scotch Nation and contrary to the Inclination of the generality of the People ever since the Reformation they having reformed from Popery by Presbyters c. The Author of the foresaid Treatise has at large and if the Records to which he appeals be true as I think no doubt can be made of 'em by undeniable evidence overthrown all those Pretences for Presbytery mention'd in that Article I will offer here a little out of that Book unto the Reader for a taste remitting him to the Treatise it self which if I am not mistaken is worth any Man's perusing I am sure it gave me infinite Satisfaction He tells us then That there were many Prelates who concur'd in that Work sc the Reformation from Propery as the Bishop of Galloway and of Argyle the Abbots of Lundoris of Culross of St. Colmes-Inih of Coldingham of St. Mary Isle of Aberbrothoick of Kilwinning and of Newbottle the Prior of St. Andrews and the Subperior Fundament Chart. p. 4. He further shews that not one Martyr Confessor or any that had an hand in the Reformation in the Year 1560 declar'd for Presbytery or against Episcopacy pag. 20. not John Knox himself pag. 21. but that Superintendency was erected by Knox p. 35. that Knox compil'd the first Book of Discipline Anno 1560. pag. 36. that in the Year 1559. the Scots being delivered from the French Slavery by the English Assistance subscrib'd to the Religious Worship and Rites of the Church of England This is taken out of Buchanan p. 714 p. 87 88 93. that the Scotch Protestants used the Liturgy of the Church of England in their Publick Devotions Anno 1557. p. 95 96 101. that in the fifth Head of the first Book of Discipline establisht at Perth Anno 1560 it was appointed that the Council should nominate Superintendents p. 113 114. that the Superintendents had Districts and Diocesses under them that there were but ten or twelve design'd for the whole Kingdom that they collated or instituted Parish-Ministers p. 121. that they depos'd Parish Ministers if occasion requir'd that the Superintendents were to be admitted that is Ordain'd not by the Parish-Ministers but the Neighbouring Superintendents p. 122. that their Income was five times as much as that of Parish Ministers p. 123. that they were constant Members of General Assemblies that all inferiour Ministers were bound to pay them Canonical Obedience p. 125 126. that they appointed Diocesan Synods and Fasts p. 131. that Appeals were made to them from Parish Judicatures p 132. that in the second Model at Leith Jan. 12. 1571-72 it was agreed the old Politie should revive p. 185. the old Names and Titles of Archbishops and Bishops retain'd and the old Division of Diocesses take place p. 186. that the Reformation continu'd upon this bottom till 1576 by consequence that Prelacy was the Government of the Scotch Church from the beginning of the Reformation for fifteen years and not alter'd then but with much difficulty and struglings as it fellows in th●… Author But let it be suppos'd That the Reformation of Scotland was first cast into the Presbyterian Platform it proves not that Presbytery was the first and most ancient Government of the Kirk of Scotland but only that at the time of Reformation it was agreeable to the Scots Inclination For I shall in another Paper hereafter to be publish'd prove that the Church of Scotland was govern'd by Bishops of old time And therefore I am still of the Opinion that the Scotch Kirk put away the Wife of its Youth I mean Episcopacy when it reform'd from Popery and join'd it self unto an Harlot I mean Presbytery 'T is an odd way for an Husband to reform his Wife by superinducing and noising her with a strange Woman Ay but the Rector reflects upon the King says the Remarker This is the first time I ever heard of a Presbyterian having any due regard unto a King's Honour and perhaps it will be the last if the Commonwealth Principle gets a little more footing amongst us But let us examin what Truth is in the Accusation When the Scotch Parliament had intimated unto the King their Inclination unto Presbytery the King tells his Commissioner that he believes it is so and therefore is willing to condescend unto their Petition 't is no Reflection on the King I hope to deride the Scots Reason The Rector himself verily believes that Presbytery is agreeable to the Scotch Parliament's Inclination but intends not thereby to reflect on himself In short the Scotch Parliaments Reason for the Act was their Inclination but the King 's was to please and comply with them He has been more kind unto them I am afraid than they mannerly and thankful unto him Now whereas the Act affirms also that the Presbyterian Government is agreeable unto the Word of God as well as to their Inclination it was in my Opinion very sawcily done of ' em Had it not been sufficient to acquaint the King that Presbytery is agreeble to the Word of God but they must needs farther tell his Majesty 't is agreeable to their Inclination as if they had said Sir 't is our mind it should be so we must have this Point granted us or else c. Finally this Expression Agreeable to the Word of God is of doubtful construction It may imply that in their Judgment no