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A66526 VindiciƦ vindiciarum, or, A vindication of a late treatise, entituled, Infant-baptism asserted and vindicated by Scripture and antiquity in answer to Mr. Hen. D'Anvers his reply : to which is annexed, the Right Reverend Dr. Barlow (now Bishop-elect of Lincoln) his apologetical-letter : also An appeal to the Baptists (so called) against Mr. Danvers, for his strange forgeries, and misrepresentations of divers councils and authors, both antient and modern / by Obed Wills. Wills, Obed.; Barlow, Thomas, 1607-1691. Appeal to the Baptists against Henry D'Anvers, Esq. 1675 (1675) Wing W2868; ESTC R38662 92,093 163

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baptismus_fw-la significat_fw-la tinctionem_fw-la seu_fw-la lavationem_fw-la a_o graeco_fw-la verbo_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d so_o mar._n 7._o 4._o say_v they_o for_o it_o be_v take_v a_o judaica_n l●tione_fw-la the_o jew_n wash_v which_o be_v otherwise_o beside_o dip_v the_o word_n of_o mark_n be_v the_o yeat_a not_o except_o they_o wash_v how_o now_o can_v mr._n danvers_n justify_v himself_o to_o represent_v they_o as_o restrain_v the_o word_n only_o to_o dip_v when_o they_o give_v we_o to_o understand_v it_o signify_v any_o kind_n of_o wash_v rinse_n or_o cleanse_v as_o a_o man_n will_v wash_v his_o hand_n as_o well_o by_o pour_v water_n on_o they_o as_o by_o dip_v 2_o king_n 3._o 11._o here_o be_v elisha_n which_o have_v pour_v water_n on_o the_o hand_n of_o elijah_n be_v his_o servant_n as_o it_o be_v note_v in_o the_o margin_n 1._o the_o other_o falsehood_n be_v for_o say_v that_o the_o magdeburg_n tell_v we_o that_o the_o custom_n of_o dip_v the_o whole_a body_n be_v 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