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A19153 A sermon preached at Paules-Crosse, vpon the 1. of Nouember, being All-Saints Day, anno 1607. By Sa: Collins, Batchelour in Diuinitie, and fellow of the Kings Colledge in Cambridge Collins, Samuel, 1576-1651. 1607 (1607) STC 5564; ESTC S108507 41,043 100

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correspondent but though we haue confined our selues to paucitie for good respects yet the thing it self in nature is wonderfull broad Now let the scoffers of this our doctrine appeare in their likeness shew their faces if they dare for shame They traduce our champions blaze them to the world for blasphemers one because he saith Christ is not the sole Lawe-giuer of his Church In their Challenge to Disputat another about the rawenesse of the primitiue times compared with ours though it cannot be denied but in many respects the church hath bin bettered as well as empaired by continuance Separate awhile your selues from preiudice and let not the captiousness of tearms trouble you consider if you can the naked truth Why should this seeme strange in your eares that Christ is not the only Lawgiuer of his Church in the sense that we deny it or how can it euer be avowed for true in the sense that they obtrude it Are there no lawes thinke you to be obserued among christian men women touching matters of church and of Religion but such as Christ hath established and promulged with his own mouth Certainlie I wil produce no hidden arguments certainly I will not search the depths as they say nor scowr the bottoms for this matter I will alleage no more than you all know are all able to iudge of and yet I wil conclude the thing in question that you may see the difference between the wholsome words of Christ the Lord as our Text here hath it and the doctrine which is according to godlines If any of you should commaund your seruant or your son to carry a Bible with them to Church vpon the Sondaies vnder paine of your heauie displeasure if they did not doe you think it were a law that might be broken or no A law doubtless it were as being taxed with punishment vppon the offendor Your selues would think it fit to be kept not fit to be broken And yet it is in matter of Gods seruice and Religion For let no man deceiue himself my deere brethren not willingly misconster vs there was none of vs euer placed so much Religion in a garment as you doe in a Booke And yet CHRIST neuer badde it and it is left free for all sinne not you must think that come to Church without their Bibles though they can read Winde your selues now out of this net as well as you can which is no net but a sounde and substantial confutation specially you that delight in ambush as the twelue reasons and intorteled Syllogismes Or if you say that Christ cōmanded vs to search the Scriptures well though that doth not enforce that wee should carrie them to the Church to euerie Lecture or sermon with vs yet let the former supposition hold but in Lidleyes prayer Booke or Bradfords Meditations or some such like and then see what you can say to it whether you will allowe your seruant or your sonne to crosse your commandement in such a respect or not Neither againe maie you except that the bringing of the Bible helpes to edifie the ceremonies not for the ceremonies edifie too in their place and order I will not now compare them with a lay mans Bible and the question is not so much touching edification if you mark it as whether they may be vrged vppon the consciences of beleeuers by lawe though they be neuer so apt in themselues to edifie How then is it my deare Brethren and sisters of this Cittie may your prentises be constrained your children compelled by your priuate law-giuing authoritie thus and thus to demeane themselues in Gods seruice vvorship without anie disparagement to the supreame Law-giuer and may not they whose iurisdiction is so farre greater than yours attempt the same ouer them that they gouerne Maie the Housholder do this in his house and not the king in his kingdomes Maie the father and the mother and not Gods Lieftenaunt and Deputie generall Naie maie the Paedant in his flock and not the Prince For to say the father commands but a few and the maister a fewe the King all the Ministers Preachers of the Land is an opposition more fit for you to make than for me to remoue or rather so vnfit for me to remoue that indeed it is not fit for you to make the kings authoritie iustly stretching farther why because the limits of his Realms are wider and if he allow you to be kings in your housholds you must allow him to be a housholder in his kingdom at the least Again to say that the one are Ministers and Preachers the other but children seruants is as vain For if christian libertie must not be infringed in binding ministers preachers no more may it be infringed in binding children and seruants if Ecclesiasticall Canons wrōg the priuiledge that came by Christs blood so do domesticall we know no such prerogatiue of one aboue another in these kind of causes euery mans conscience is as free and as vntouchable as anothers before God Coloss 3.11 one price was paid for all I omitte many things that might be alleaged to make this fort not onely strong but inuincible The Church wee say may make lavves and not Christ only She that may repeale them she may make them Act. 15 The Church repealed the law of abstinence from strangled and bloud when she saw fit time cancelled that which the Apostles by the instinct of the h●ghost had enacted but enacted without any limitation of time The same I might saie of the kiss of Charitie vsed in Church and commaunded in Scripture 2. Cor. 13.12 Greete yee one another with an holy kiss now laied aside with as much maturitie as at first it was brought in with aduise The same of widows to be fedd by the Church an Apostolique sanction and yet now not so much as called for once by them that professe the restauration of the golden age to the quick so as we shall not haue a pinn nor a pegge missing as they say in the great worke of their second Tabernacle I might proceede to more Calv. Instit. l. 2. c. 8. sect 32. et 34. Chemn in loc Com. p. 2. de 3. praec Vrsin in catech in 4. pra● Bellarm. de ●magin Sanct. l. 2 c 7. vbi August Irena●et Thomam citat in eandem sent Catechis Rom. et Chapeaville in eum locum Cat. The Sabbath that wee celebrate euerie seauenth daie is it not of the Church and her constitution meer The discourse were impertinent but the * consent of writers maie goe for proof in the mean time and the places are verie pregnant Rom. 14.5 Colossi 2.14 Matth. 6.5 with the like besides a troupe of reasons that perswade that way Judas Maccabaeus instituted a Feast by vertue of his place and of his authoritie among the Iewes and increased the number of Feasts that God had appointed to his people Yet our Sauiour sanctified it