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A10443 A copie of a challenge, taken owt [sic] of the confutation of M. Iuells sermon made by Iohn Rastell Rastell, John, 1532-1577.; Rastell, John, 1532-1577. Confutation of a sermon, pronounced by M. Juell, at Paules crosse, the second Sondaie before Easter (which Catholikes doe call Passion Sondaie) Anno Domini .M.D.LX. Selections. 1565 (1565) STC 20727; ESTC S119777 10,470 36

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Or that the last willes and testamentes of foūders of almes howsen Colledges and Monasteries were broken cōcerning their temporal goodes and legacies and that no part thereof dyd come to their owne bloud and familie These be such articles as are directed first against the proper honor and glo rie of God allmightie secondlie against the grace of Ihesus Christ and profit of all Christians in the world thirdlie against the dignitie estimatiō and honor of all Sainctes fourthlie against the profit of the sowles departed by debarring their commodities so that in all states worldes and persons Christ thorowgh these articles ys proscribed And againe in these articles the fundation estimation and perfection of their Ghospell and preaching consisteth so that without these or worser then these they could not be so singular and vnlyke other Christians Yf therefore any of all owr aduersaries be able with sufficient authoritie to proue these articles or conclusions of theirs owt of the Scriptures vse of primityue churche Doctors or Councels either he shall be proued manifestlie to misconster and misuse Scriptures doctors or councels either els he shall be praised for his labors and folowed with a free wyll and submission Lett this be the challenge and let vs obteine an answer vnto it for if the Catholykes pressed with such questions which for the most part deserued no aunswer haue not refused to shew their faith and geaue reason of it vnto their aduersaries allthowgh the lack of conference with their felowes of free printing and open vttering of their bokes might with reason haue stayed them from their purpose and not haue moued to chainge their contrie for the matter how much more cawse and reason ys it that they which are so fauored in their procedinges should not lett to stand vnaunswered such principall questions as are moued agaynst them nor goe at that tyme backward and flee from the quarell when most of all they should shew them selues and spread furth their cunnyng and sinceritie And yet if these forsaid articles are to manye for their leysure or yf they seeme to much particular for their profite which would not be espied or yf the answering vnto them should be sayed to be forbydden by wyse heades for a rumor may sone be made to faine that it serueth to a saction to make such challenges and combattes Lett me be quietlie suffered then to speake a few wordes and indifferent such as to which euerie religion must agree yf with any reason it will be credited The heretykes sayeth Tertullian make a shew of Scriptures and by this their boldnes straytwayes some they moue Now in the very conference it selfe and meetyng togeather they weerie the stedfast and sure men they catche and intrapp the weake and the indifferent they dymisse and lett goe with grudges and scruples But this way must be stopped vpp against them at the fyrst and they are not to be suffered to dispute and reason vpon the Scriptures And why so Marye for good cause sayeth Tertullian For some one heresye doth not admitt certayne Scriptures and those which it doth alow and receiue it turneth vnto her purpose by putting vnto them or takyng awaie somwhat from them Some againe are so presumptuouse and take so much vpon them that they will not acknowledge that for Scripture by which they may be conuicted Ergo we must not appeale vnto the Scriptures sayeth he and the triall ys not to be apoynted in them by which the victorie ys either none or vncertaine or not verie sure For allthowgh the conference vpon the scriptures shold come to that passe that it would leaue both sydes alyke yet the order of thinges required that to be fyrst and formost proponed and putt furth of which onlye it ys to be disputed at this tyme. that ys to saye Quibus competat fides ipsa cuius sint Scri pturae à quo per quos quando quibus sit tradita disciplina qua fiunt Christiani who they are vnto whom the faith it selfe belongeth whose are the Scriptures of whom and by whom and what tyme and vnto whom the trade and instruction was geauen by which men are made Christians For where it shall apperet hat the truth of the Christian discipline and faith is there shall be the truth of the Scriptures and of the expositions of them and of all the Chri stian traditiōs Thus haue I Englisshed more at large owt of Tertullian that it might the better be cōsidered of the Reader whether he speaketh rea son or no and whether in any disputation to be instituted or any challenge to be apoynted these articles which Tertullian specifyeth are not principallie to be debated and examined and whether this trade and manner of arguing doe serue to the mainteynyng of any stomak which ys so naturall as I may saye and so reasonable that you can not deuyse a more indifferent To vse it therefor to myne owne comfort and others and yet not to depart from the manner of a challenge therebye to recompense owr aduer saries I saye 1. Yf any of owr aduersaries be able to shew by any sufficient or lyklie argument and testimonie that they haue any true Christian fayth at all emong them for faith cleaueth vnto authoritie which they can neuer shew for them selues c. 2. Or that the Scriptures haue ben delyuered vnto them or that they are the right keepers of them 2. Or yf they can tell from whom they haue receiued their Ghospell other then papistes 4. Or by what successors from the fyrst eyther maker or cheife preacher of theire Ghospell it hath come vnto them 5. Or at what tyme they receiued it 6. Or yf they can shew but the fundacions onlye or proportion of some churche howse communion table communion boke or any other thing neuer so smal by which it might be gathered that a true an Apostolyke religion was extant to be seen within the six hundred yeares after Christ as voyd of ornamentes ceremonies reuerence distinction of places and dignityes Sacramentes and solemnities parteyning to Sacramentes as theirs ys These are the most best and easiest questions for the capacitye of a sensible man and most meetest to be asked of these greate folowers of Antiquitie as they saye them selues Yf therefore any of owr aduersaries can name eyther the places or the persons where their religion stode of old tyme or from whom by lineall descent it hath come to theyr churches and ministers I promyse for my selfe and others allso eyther to proue their predecessors heretikes or to yeld with a good will to their succession yf they bring it downewarde from any Apostle I haue sayed And in the meane while vntill theyr aunswer be deuised I will contynue in that fayth which lawfull Bisshoppes of England receiued of Sainct Augustyne a monke and owr Apostle which by the allmightie power of God conuerted owr realme from Idolatrie to Christianitie which receiued his faith of Sainct Gregorie the greate and the first of that name And Sainct Gregorie lerned it of his predecessor Pelagius the second Pelagius agayne receiued it of Benedictus the first from Benedictus then we goe vpward to Ioannes III. to Pelagius I. to Vigilius to Siluerius to Agapetus to loannes the second to Bonifacius the second to Foelix the first to Ioannes Ito Hormisda to Symmachus to Anastasius the second to Gelasius to Faelix III to Simplicius to Hilarius to Leo. I. to Sixtus III. to Caelestinus to Bonifacius I. to Zozimus to Innocentius to Anastatius I. to Siricius to Damasus to Faelix the second to Liberius to Iulius to Marcus to Siluester to Melchiades to Eusebius to Marcellus to Marcellinus to Caius to Eutichianus to Faelix I. to Dionisius to Sixtus the second to Stephanus I. to Lucius to Cornelius to Fabianus to Antherus to Pontianus to Vrbanus to Calistus to Zepherinus to Victor to Eutherius to Soter to Anicetus to Pius to Higinus to Telesphorus to Sixtus to Alexander which was the first that apointed making of holywater which receaued the Catholike faith of Euaristus which receaued it of Anacletus which receaued it of Clemens which receaued it of Sainct Peter which receaued it of Christ which is God most true and blessed for euer Amen Fare well Deus autem pacis conterat Sathanam sub pedibus vestris velocitet Quoniam viri S. Theologiae peritissimi Angli apud me fide dignissimi perlegerunt hunc librum Iohannis Rastelli per omnia catholicum esse censent dignumque qui typis excusus à popularibus eius Prouintiae nempe Anglicanae legatur puto ipsum tutò posse imprimi Ita testor Cunerus Petri de Brouwershauen Louanij Pastor S. Petri indignus 11. Nouem 1561 Prouer. 26 Lutherus in Postillis The Catholike his Challenge made of greate and waightie articles Caluin in his institue tiōs which are apoyne ted to be readen of the priestes of England Libr. de praescr aduersus haereticos A most short and profitable consideration to goe before eue ry chaiēge or to make of it by it selfe alone a iust challenge Rom. 16.