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desire_v and_o yet_o can_v not_o be_v have_v the_o prayer_n of_o the_o parent_n 32._o and_o of_o the_o church_n be_v accept_v by_o god_n in_o stead_n of_o the_o ordinary_a mean_a the_o use_n whereof_o be_v hinder_v by_o unavoidable_a necessity_n and_o so_o in_o this_o we_o depart_v from_o the_o rigid_a tenet_n of_o papist_n on_o the_o other_o part_n we_o likewise_o teach_v and_o accord_o our_o people_n learn_v that_o baptism_n be_v the_o ordinary_a mean_a of_o our_o entrance_n into_o the_o church_n and_o of_o our_o regeneration_n to_o the_o use_n whereof_o god_n by_o his_o commandment_n have_v tie_v us._n 58._o if_o the_o commandment_n of_o our_o saviour_n matth_n 28.19_o go_v you_o therefore_a and_o teach_v all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n and_o of_o the_o son_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n tie_v not_o parent_n to_o seek_v baptism_n to_o their_o child_n and_o pastor_n to_o administer_v when_o it_o be_v seek_v then_o have_v we_o no_o 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you_o shall_v be_v damn_v 59_o you_o say_v to_o avoid_v the_o strength_n of_o this_o argument_n that_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o commandment_n stand_v only_o for_o baptism_n in_o public_a and_o that_o no_o precept_n require_v baptism_n but_o when_o it_o can_v be_v have_v orderly_o with_o all_o the_o circumstance_n thereof_o whereof_o you_o say_v this_o be_v one_o that_o it_o be_v administer_v in_o the_o presence_n of_o that_o visible_a church_fw-mi whereof_o the_o child_n be_v to_o be_v member_n thus_o first_o you_o condemn_v as_o unlawful_a the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n even_o in_o the_o church_n godfather_n and_o godmother_n be_v present_a if_o the_o whole_a congregation_n be_v not_o present_v there_o and_o the_o like_a doctrine_n we_o find_v in_o other_o also_o cite_v on_o the_o margin_n 227._o which_o sound_v so_o harshlie_o in_o the_o ear_n of_o some_o of_o your_o own_o adherentes_fw-la that_o they_o can_v not_o be_v persuade_v that_o this_o be_v your_o doctrine_n 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book_n of_o baptism_n every_o day_n be_v the_o lord_n every_o hour_n day_n and_o time_n be_v fit_n for_o baptism_n it_o may_v want_v of_o the_o solemnity_n but_o nothing_o of_o the_o grace_n neither_o be_v such_o a_o number_n as_o you_o require_v to_o be_v present_a necessary_a in_o this_o case_n our_o saviour_n have_v teach_v we_o matth_n 18.19_o that_o if_o two_o shall_v agree_v on_o earth_n as_o touch_v any_o thing_n that_o they_o shall_v ask_v it_o shall_v be_v do_v for_o they_o of_o his_o father_n which_o be_v in_o heaven_n for_o say_v he_o where_o two_o or_o three_o be_v gather_v together_o in_o my_o name_n there_o be_o i_o in_o the_o midst_n of_o they_o we_o beseech_v you_o therefore_o brethren_n to_o take_v heed_n that_o you_o prescrybe_n not_o to_o man_n conscience_n rite_n of_o necessity_n without_o clear_a warrant_n from_o god_n word_n by_o which_o you_o will_v never_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v the_o necessity_n of_o this_o circumstance_n require_v by_o you_o in_o baptism_n 60._o the_o practice_n of_o the_o prtmitive_a church_n both_o in_o the_o apostle_n time_n and_o thereafter_o agree_v with_o this_o doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o we_o saynct_v philip_n baptize_v the_o eunuch_n on_o the_o way_n act_v 8._o ananias_n baptize_v saul_n in_o a_o private_a house_n act_v 9_o saynct_v paul_n baptize_v the_o jailor_n in_o his_o house_n act_v 16._o if_o you_o answer_v as_o other_o do_v that_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o infancy_n of_o the_o church_n excuse_v the_o want_n of_o the_o presence_n of_o a_o congregation_n we_o reply_n that_o the_o same_o necessity_n be_v find_v in_o the_o case_n whereof_o we_o speak_v for_o as_o unpossible_a it_o be_v for_o a_o die_a infant_n who_o about_o midnight_n be_v at_o the_o last_o gasp_n to_o enjoy_v the_o presence_n of_o the_o congregation_n as_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o any_o of_o the_o aforementioned_a the_o eunuch_n saul_n or_o the_o jailor_n to_o have_v have_v a_o congregation_n present_a at_o their_o baptism_n 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antisiodor_n cap._n 18._o tom._n 2._o conc._n matiscon_n 2._o cap._n 3._o tom._n 2._o council_n conc._n melden_v cap._n 48._o conc._n triburiens_fw-la cap._n 12._o council_n in_o palatio_fw-la vernis_fw-la cap._n 7._o conc._n wormatiens_n cap._n 1._o tom._n 3._o council_n the_o learned_a causabon_n in_o his_o 16_o exercitation_n consider_v all_o this_o say_v woe_n to_o they_o that_o in_o the_o administration_n of_o this_o sacrament_n deny_v their_o duty_n to_o die_a infant_n under_o pretence_n of_o i_o know_v not_o what_o discipline_n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n the_o learned_a martin_n bucer_n in_o the_o 15_o chapter_n of_o his_o censure_n of_o the_o english_a liturgy_n consider_v baptism_n of_o sick_a infant_n private_o say_v in_o this_o constitution_n all_o thing_n be_v ho_o set_v down_o this_o same_o practice_n also_o be_v allow_v by_o doctor_n whitaker_n in_o his_o book_n against_o reynolds_n pag._n 48._o 62._o the_o congregation_n say_v you_o whereof_o the_o child_n be_v to_o 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