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romanae_fw-la â—rbis_fw-la espiscopum_fw-la &_o ero_fw-la protinus_fw-la christanus_n i_o will_v conclude_v this_o passage_n with_o the_o censure_n of_o learned_a dr._n whittaker_n 292._o whittak_n praelect_a de_fw-fr sacram._n p._n 291._o 292._o absurdè_fw-la faciunt_fw-la ij_o qui_fw-la infidelium_fw-la liberos_fw-la baptizant_fw-la si_fw-la parent_n volunt_fw-la baptizari_fw-la quasi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la svo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la quibus_fw-la vellet_fw-la baptismum_fw-la dare_v posset_n they_o do_v absurd_o who_o baptise_v the_o child_n of_o infidel_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v willing_a to_o have_v they_o baptise_a as_o if_o the_o church_n at_o their_o own_o pleasure_n can_v baptise_v who_o they_o will_n pretence_n 2_o second_o pretence_n if_o the_o parent_n be_v no_o christian_n yet_o the_o surety_n be_v ans_fw-fr 1._o the_o customary_a use_n of_o surety_n in_o baptise_v infant_n though_o it_o seem_v ancient_a by_o the_o mention_n that_o be_v make_v of_o they_o in_o the_o synod_n of_o mentz_n 18._o synod_n mâ—gunt_n can._n 47._o aug._n serm_n 116._o 163._o epist_n 23._o ad_fw-la bonif_n tertull_n de_fw-fr bapt._n cap._n 18._o under_o the_o name_n of_o compatres_fw-la spirituales_fw-la spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n and_o before_o that_o in_o augustine_n under_o the_o name_n of_o sponsores_fw-la and_o fidejussores_fw-la surety_n and_o before_o he_o in_o tertullian_n under_o the_o name_n of_o offerentes_fw-la presenter_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o ancient_n of_o day_n it_o be_v not_o from_o the_o beginning_n neither_o in_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o baptism_n nor_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o first_o century_n the_o first_o original_n of_o this_o custom_n seem_v to_o be_v this_o that_o they_o that_o take_v the_o child_n from_o the_o minister_n when_o it_o be_v baptize_v shall_v be_v call_v spiritual_a father_n and_o mother_n that_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o first_o and_o second_o birth_n of_o the_o 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let_v mr._n weld_n preach_v though_o he_o confess_v he_o have_v nothing_o against_o he_o without_o consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o they_o do_v not_o complain_v of_o his_o seek_n advise_v of_o neighbour_n minister_v simple_o and_o absolute_o but_o 1._o in_o certain_a case_n there_o mention_v and_o therefore_o they_o do_v not_o in_o their_o writing_n divide_v the_o one_o from_o the_o other_o into_o several_a section_n for_o that_o be_v his_o own_o contrivement_n but_o relate_v all_o together_o in_o one_o entire_a sentence_n 2._o the_o case_n produce_v by_o they_o be_v such_o wherein_o the_o matter_n may_v have_v be_v determine_v and_o conclude_v by_o the_o eldership_n without_o violation_n of_o any_o order_n establish_v in_o the_o government_n of_o those_o church_n 3._o the_o matter_n be_v so_o carry_v by_o he_o in_o this_o needle_n appeal_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la that_o their_o agreement_n be_v nullify_v these_o thing_n be_v premise_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o his_o five_o answer_n in_o the_o 24._o section_n will_v be_v obvious_a to_o the_o indifferent_a reader_n in_o particular_n thus_o for_o the_o first_o his_o thinck_n that_o the_o elder_n err_v in_o their_o judgement_n in_o such_o case_n as_o these_o in_o question_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o a_o appeal_n as_o may_v appear_v in_o reason_n for_o so_o no_o cause_n shall_v be_v end_v in_o their_o consistory_n though_o the_o elder_n unanimous_o consent_v in_o their_o judgement_n if_o the_o pastor_n differ_v from_o they_o out_o of_o a_o obstinate_a will_n without_o give_v sufficient_a reason_n of_o his_o dissent_v and_o then_o to_o what_o end_n be_v the_o meeting_n of_o the_o eldership_n whereas_o he_o call_v upon_o they_o to_o prove_v it_o by_o scripture_n they_o may_v with_o better_a warrant_n require_v he_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n the_o lawfullnes_n of_o such_o appeal_n in_o such_o case_n for_o which_o they_o find_v no_o word_n command_v or_o approve_v they_o for_o the_o second_o unless_o he_o can_v prove_v those_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n to_o be_v sin_n and_o unfruitful_a work_n of_o darkness_n he_o will_v be_v find_v guilty_a of_o a_o double_a sin_n 1._o that_o he_o oppose_v the_o elder_n without_o just_a cause_n 2._o that_o he_o misapply_v scripture_n to_o justifye_v his_o unjust_a opposition_n of_o they_o for_o the_o three_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o as_o council_n may_v err_v so_o may_v consistorye_n much_o more_o easy_o and_o that_o all_o obedience_n aught_v to_o be_v in_o the_o lord_n but_o with_o all_o that_o the_o protester_n against_o they_o aught_o to_o declare_v the_o equity_n of_o their_o so_o do_v from_o scripture_n or_o good_a reason_n which_o have_v not_o be_v do_v by_o the_o answerer_n for_o the_o four_o the_o pretend_v reason_n whereby_o the_o answerer_n will_v justifye_v this_o act_n take_v from_o the_o very_a foundation_n of_o government_n and_o institution_n of_o diverse_a judicatories_n to_o take_v away_o disagreement_n strife_n controversy_n or_o different_a plead_n among_o man_n will_v not_o help_v he_o in_o the_o case_n question_v unless_o he_o can_v prove_v 1._o that_o the_o class_n be_v of_o the_o same_o use_n by_o divine_a institution_n for_o the_o help_n of_o pastor_n which_o have_v the_o assistance_n of_o their_o eldership_n 17.8_o deut._n 1.12_o with_o cap._n 17.8_o whereof_o that_o judicatorye_n be_v for_o the_o help_n of_o moses_n who_o be_v not_o able_a alone_o to_o bear_v the_o cumbrance_n and_o strife_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n afterward_o which_o they_o deny_v 2._o that_o the_o cause_n in_o question_n which_o he_o carry_v from_o the_o consistory_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la 9.10_o 2._o chron._n 19_o 8_o 9.10_o be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o those_o cause_n between_o blood_n and_o blood_n between_o law_n and_o commandment_n statute_n and_o judgement_n which_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o levite_n the_o 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