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A14060 A perseruatiue, or triacle, agaynst the poyson of Pelagius lately renued, ... by the furious secte of the Annabaptistes ... By Willyam Turner, Doctor of Physick. Turner, William, d. 1568. 1551 (1551) STC 24368; ESTC S101787 56,116 208

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