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A69143 Miscellania or a treatise Contayning two hundred controuersiall animaduersions, conducing to the study of English controuersies in fayth, and religion. VVritten by N.N.P. and dedicated to the yonger sort of Catholike priests, and other students in the English seminaries beyond the seas. With a pareneticall conclusion vnto the said men. Anderton, Lawrence, attributed name. 1640 (1640) STC 576; ESTC S115142 202,826 416

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diuine Scriptures yet they are recorded and written in the Monuments of the auncient Authours and in Ecclesiasticall bookes The second reason may be the continuall vse of them For diuers Traditions are in continuall obseruation practise as the Rites and Ceremonyes of administring the Sacraments Holy-dayes appoynted tymes of fasting the Celebration of the Masse and of Diuine office or prayers and such like The third cause are certaine externall Monuments which continue for a most long tyme as most ancient Tēples or Churches in which are Altars the Holy Fonts for Baptisme the Memorialls or Toumbs of Saincts Crosses Images Ecclesiasticall bookes c. The fourth Reason is Heresy it selfe For God doth wonderfully vse the Enemyes of the Church to the preseruation of the Church For because as in euery age there haue risen vp some Heretyks who haue impugned diuers dogmaticall Traditions of the Church So hath God in ech age raysed certaine learned Orthodoxall Men who that they might better resist the Heretykes haue with most great diligence and labour searched out the Doctrine of the Church and ancient Traditions and haue transmitted them in wryting to all posterity I will ad this following obseruation in fuller warrant of vnwritten Traditions against such who restrayne the proofe of all poynts to the Scripture it selfe To wit that it is one thing for an Article of fayth to be expressed in Scripture Another thing for an Article of fayth to be grounded vpon ●cripture All Christian doctrine is not expressed in Scripture yet euery Christian doctrine is so grounded on Scripture that it may in som● sort or other be proued from Scripture And in this sense all Traditions receaued by the vniuersall Church of Christ may be said to be grounded on Scripture since they are groūded vpon the authority of the Church admitting them To which Church Christ himselfe hath promised an infallibility of Truth and of not erring according to that Ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus vsque Consummationem saeculi Math. 18. And againe Portae inferi non praeualebunt aduersum eam Math. 16. to wit against the Church of Christ Animaduersion CLXXXII PRotestancy is proued to be an intentionall thing in it selfe and voyde of all Reall fayth This is proued from the Definition of Fayth giuen by the Apostle thus defining fayth fides est sperandarum substantia rerum argumentum non apparentium That is fayth is the (50) Heb. 11. substance of things to be hoped for the argument of things not appearing This definition sheweth that fayth is a supernaturall Vertue and the Obiect thereof is that which through its owne abstrusenes sublimity cannot be apprehended or conceaued by force of Mans owne wit it transcending all Naturall Reason This we see exemplyfyed in the two supreme Articles of the Trinity and the Incarnation the Mysteryes and difficulties of which transcend all humane reason or light of Nature And hence it is that the Conclusion of the Schoole Deuines is this Quae (51) S. Thomas part 1. 2. quaest 1. fidei sunt non possunt esse scita Now to apply this Yf Protestancy be a supernaturall fayth or els it is no true sauing fayth then the Obiect of this Protestanticall fayth is of that difficult Nature as that Man through the force of Naturall reason only cannot giue any assent thereto without the speciall concurrency of Gods Grace But here I demand that seeing the Obiect of Protestancy as Protestancy is meere Negatiues and denialls as deniall of Reall Presence deniall of Purgatory deniall of Freewill deniall of praying to Saincts briefly deniall of most of the affirmatiue points taught by our Catholike Church here I say I demand what supernaturality or force of Gods speciall concurrency is required that man should giue an assent to these Negations or denyalls Nay I here say that mans naturall reason euen of it selfe without any externa●l help is propense and inclyning to belieue these and other such like Negations except the Affirmatiues to those Negations can be conuinced as for true either by Diuine or Humane proofe and Authority Thus it followeth that Protestancy euen from the Definition of Fayth giuen by the Apostle is no supernaturall Fayth but in respect of such a Fayth is a meere Irreality and wast of fayth Animaduersion CLXXXIII THe reasons which S. Thomas Aquinas (52) S. Thom in 3. part quaest 27. Artic 4. doth insist vpon being most probable inducements for freeing the Blessed Virgin Mary from Originall Sinne are these following The first Seeing God did decree to aduance the Blessed Virgin to so supreme dignity that she should excell euen the Angells themselues therfore it was most sutable agreeable that no priuiledg should be conferred vpon any pure Creature which was not conferred vpon the B. Virgin except such a priuiledg were repugnant to the condition state Nature or Sex But to be sanctifyed in the first instant of Creation was giuen to our First Parents As also to be sanctifyed in the first instant of Creation and neuer to be polluted with any Sinne was giuen to the holy Angells But this priuiledg is in no sort repugnant to the condition state Nature or Sex of the B. Virgin Therefore it is a pious thing to belieue that the Mother of God did not want this priuiledge Secondly because that testimony of the Heauenly Spouse ought in all probability to be accomplished and fulfilled in the Blessed Virgin Tota (53) Can. 4. pulchra es amica mea macula non est in te Thirdly because the Mother of Christ hath a singular Affinity and Coniunction with Christ himselfe Fourthly in that the Sonne of God who is the wisdome of the Father did as it were inhabitate in the wombe of the Mother after a most peculiar and wonderfull manner But it is said in holy Scripture In maleuolam (54) Wisdoms c. 1. animam c. Wisdome cannot enter into a wicked hart nor dwell in the body which is subiect to sinne Lastly because as well the honour as the ignominy of the Mother redoundeth to the Sonne Now touching the proofe of the Assumption of our B. Lady both in Body Soule pretermitting the Authority of the (55) S. Ierome writeth a sermon styling it de Eesto assumptionis Mariae The Centurists alledge that S. Austin did write a Book-entituling it de Assumptione Virginis Mariae Ancient Fathers herin I will at this present content my selfe with the Argument of S. Bernard in proofe thereof who thus disputeth Seeing God hath discouered and reuealed the Bodies of many Saincts which lay hid in diuers places that they might be honored of faythful Christians It then ineuitably followeth that if the sacred Body of the Blessed Virgin had beene still on earth he would in like māner haue made knowne no doubt in what place or Country it did lye But it not being certainly knowne where that Body or any part thereof is in any place of the world it may irr●pliably
is now forbidden as a thing vngodly 11. That there are any Sacraments of the New Testament instituted by Christ for the good of mans Soule Lastly to omit some others 12. That before the ending of the world Antichrist shall come who shal be a designed Enemy of Christ and shall labour to subuert and ouerthrow all Christian Religion All these points both Protestant and Catholike do belieue and hould that the beliefe of them is necessary to Saluation And yet not any of these Articles are expressed or set downe in the Creed Whence I conclude that the Apostles Creed cannot be a sufficient boundary to containe and limit an auayleable Fayth Animaduersion LXII THe bitter Inuectiues of the Protestants one against another are of sufficient force to discouer their dissentions in doctrine as where Luther sayth We (n) Luther in Thes Cont. Louaniens Thes 21. seriously iu●ge the Swinglians and Sacramentaries to be Heretiks and Aliens from the Church of God And to confront this Swinglius thus retorteth vpon Luther Luther (o) Swingl tom 2. in resp ad Luther fol 458. is guilty of high blasphemy against the nature and essence of God c. To descend to the Puritans and Protestants in England we find that the booke entituled Constitutions and Canons Ecclesiasticall printed anno ●604 doth ipso facto excommunicate the Puritans for their maintaining of these positions following as they are there set downe in the Booke The worship of the Church of England is corrupt superstitions vnlawfull repugnant to the Scriptures The Articles of the Bishops Religion are Erroneous their Rites Antichristian c. Now the Protestants do thus r●quite the Puritans saying The (p) M. Powell in h●s consi●erations Puritans are notorious and manifest Schismaticks cut of from the Church And againe The (q) M. Pa●ks in his Ep. De●ic Puritans seeke to vndermyne the foundation of fayth Now add hereto that although infinite other passages might be brought to shew the great discord in fayth among the forraine Protestants yet there is no one more short Argument to conuince this point then to recur to the foure Catalogues of Protestāt Books set downe in the later end of the Booke called The Protestants Apology of the Roman Church In which 4. Catalogues one may find about three hundred Bookes written in great acerbity of stile by one Protestant against another The names of all which books are taken out of Coccius his Thesaurus or from Hospinian both which Authou●s dyed many yeares since Now if so m●●y Bookes of disagreements in fayth among the Protestants were made within so sport a Tyme how many hundred more might be alledged if one did know all other Bookes written by the Protestant against the Protestant since the death of those two former men Animaduersion LXIII MAny vulgar and vnlearned Protestants and especially the Caluinists Puritans do condemne the Catholike Roman Religion because it defendeth and practizeth diuers Ceremonyes they ignorantly tearming such Ceremonyes Idolatrous and superstitious And there is no one argument more preuayling with such men to auert them from our Catholike Religion the● this Now to take a way this scandall o● stumbling block I say that if it were God good pleasure to haue his Fayth and Religion of the old Testament which for the tyme was the true Religion to consis● much in Ceremonyes as we see it did fa●● out in the seuerall Sacrifices appoynted by God In the Tabernacle with the appurtenances and of what matter number and qualityes all things should be as also with proui●ion of Oyle and Lampes The Arke The propitiatory the Consecration of priests the Institution of all vestures vessels and other holy things then belonging to the seruice of God all these to be made performed and done after a strange and different manner as we reade in Exodus As also the Institution of Circumcision consisting in paring away a piece of flesh which serued for freeing Man in that tyme from Origin● Sinne the preparing and eating of the Paschall Lambe sprinkling the dores with the bloud thereof and infinit other Ceremonies recorded in the foresaid booke of Exodus I say if this was Gods vnsearcheable Will to ordaine these things during the tyme of the Old Law wherein he would haue the Honour Seruice and worship exhibited to ●im partly to consist why then may not our Sauiour institute the Religion fayth of Christians belieuing in him to be attended on with diuers Ceremonyes and yet this without any Superstition or Idolatry Now our Aduersaryes common euasion to this our Argument is to say that God instituted Ceremonyes in the Old Law to serue as figures or Types of things which were after to fall out in the New Law which Ceremonyes were thē to end vpon the promulgation of the fayth of Christ. This answeare is most impertinent First because not all the Ceremonyes in the Old Law but only some did serue as figures or Adumbrations of things to happen in the New Testament Secondly because the Question heere is not why or to what end the Ceremonyes of the Old Law were instituted but only whether Ceremonyes tending to the worship of God be pious lawfull Therefore I conclude that seeing the Ceremonies in the Old Law were instituted by Gods direction for the worship of him as we read in Exodus c. 8 Ostendas populo Caeremonias ritus colendi let the other secondary end of them be what it will that therefore and by force of Gods proceeding in the Old Law we Christians may not thinke strange that our Sauiour being God and Man would now in the New Law institute and giue to his Church the like power some Ceremonies and p●blike Rites wherewith he will be worshipped and wherin part of Christian religion shall consist Now therefore let our Adu●●saries if they can giue any true reaso● why the Cerem●nies of the Old Law b●ing incomparably more in number shall be accounted lawfull and yet the Ceremonies of the New Law or Testament as long as they are reputed but Ceremonies must be r●puted superstitions a● Idolatrous Animaduersion LXIV WE Catholikes charge the Protesta●●● with ancient Heresies For example w● shew how the Manichees according to S Austin depriued Man (r) L. de Haeres cap. 4● of Freewill Ho● ●ouinian (s) Ier. l 1. cont I●●in Aug l. Haeres cap. taught that Fasting was not m●ritorious and Virginity was no better the● wedlock or mariage How Aerius (t) Austin l. de Haeres c. 33. taug● it to be most vnlawfull to pray or offer●● Sacrifice for the Dead How the Arians (u) L. 1. cont Marin cap. ● reiected all vnwritten Traditions who a●●● (x) Athanas in Apolog. pro fuga perpetrated Sacrilege against the Sacraments Altars Priests and Religious person How the (y) Austin l. ● Vnitate cap. 12. Donatists taught the Churc● of Christ to be Jnuisible How the Deniall 〈◊〉 the Reall Presence was condemned by certaine ancient Heretiks
good prayers is so vehem●●●●●d vnaffected as that I earnestly beseech you euen 〈◊〉 the most precious Passion of our Lord and ●auiour suffered for the cancelling of our sinnes by ●ur owne charitable Disposition towards others for ●resume those words of the Apostle to be imprinted 〈◊〉 your soules (a) Rom. 5. Charitas Dei diffusa est in ●●ordibus vestris Finally by what is most sacred and holy that yo● would vouchsafe now and then your particular remembrance of me either yet aliue or hereafter dead in that your most retired and Religious Memento vsed in the celebration of the most Blessed and Reuerend Sacrifice of the Masse for the expiating of my manyfold sinnes This I humbly beseech this in all prostration of soule I implore and begge a● your hands and in such your performance ech of yo● iustly may comfort your selues in those words of ou● Sauiour Beati (b) Matt. 5. misericordes quoniam ipsi misericordiam consequentur And thus in th● good hope thereof I cease referring you to the perusall of the Treatise it selfe Yours in our Lord Iesus N. N. P. MISCELLANIA Contayning certaine Controuersiall Animaduersions Animaduersion I. I WILL begin with the approuall or reiecting what is or hath beene accounted the Scripture or the written Word of God which point concernes the Bookes of Ecclesiasticus Toby Judith Hester Machabees c. Where we are to vnderstand that the Canonicall Scriptures are to vs at this day discerned and made knowne not by that which either the Iewes for a time or certaine Fathers do omit deny or doubt of in their Canon of Scripture but by that which many Fathers do constantly affirme Since otherwise and vpon the con●rary ground we might deny with the Lutherans the Epistle of Iames Iude the second of Peter the 2. and 3. of Iohn the Epistle to the Hebrews and the Apocalyps seeing all these bookes (a) Ofiand in Epic. Cent. 4. p. 299. are denied by the Lutherans Now the reason of this Thesis or Proposition is because in the Primitiue Church the Canonicall Scriptures were not generally all at once receaued but in so great a variety of pretended Scriptures great care and search was requisite wherby to determine which Scriptures were Canonicall which not wherby it came to passe that sundry bookes were for the tyme misdoubted o● by some Fathers or Councells omitted o● not receaued which yet afterwards were vpon greater search and consideration generally acknowledged And according herto D. Bilson Bishop (b) In his suruey of ●hrists suffering printed 1604. pag. 664. of Winchester thus truly sayth The Scriptures were not receaued in all places at once no not in Eusebius his ●yme Animaduersion II. D. Whitakers (c) In his answ to M. Reynolds ●efut p. 2● 23. and other of our Aduersaries do reiect the former bookes of the Old Testamēt to wit Ecclesiasticus Toby c. because they were not first written in Hebrew and in that they had not for their knowne Authours those whom God had declared to be his Prophets This Argument is weake For it is a rash assertion so to measure the Scriptures by the tongue wherein they are written as to restrayne the Spirit of God to one only language The ●anity of which said assertion is sufficiently disproued by Example of Daniel a great part whereof to wit from cap. 2. vers 4. v●que ad ●●em cap. 7. though not written in Hebrew is yet by our Aduersaries acknowledged for Canonicall And touching the second point of this Argument it cannot be proued that God would direct by his holy Spirit no Authors in their Writings but such as were knowne and also further declared by certaine testimonies to be Prophets For our Aduersaries cannot yet tell who writ the seuerall bookes of Judges the third and fourth of the Kings the two of Chronicles the booke of Ruth and Iob all which bookes neuerthelesse they admit for true and Canonicall Scripture And hereupon it is that D. Whitakers though crossing his former assertion thus writeth (d) L. de sacra Script ●ag 603. Multorum librorum authores ignorantur c. The authors of many bookes of Scripture are vnknowne as of Iosue Ruth Paralipomenon Hester c. Thus he To whose iudgment D. Willet subscribeth saying We (e) In his Synops p. 4. receaue many bokes in the Old Testament the Authours whereof are not perfectly knowne Animaduersion III. AGainst the writings of the Ancient Fathers the Protestants pretend seuerall difficultyes For example D. (f) Contra Duraeum l. 5. p. 300. K●mpu in his Exam. part 1. p. ●4 Whitakers and others obiect against the Epistles of Ignatius that (g) Dial. ● Theodore● and (h) Dial. 3. contra P●lag Ierome do alledge certaine testimonies from Ignatius his Epistle ad Smirnenses which are not found in that or any other of Ignatius his Epistles Wherto I answere First that the Auncient (i) By Austin in Psalm 95. by Tertull. lib. adu Iudaeos versus finem By Iustin in Triphon circa medium Fathers haue in like maner cited this sentence reguauit a ligno Deus as the saying of Dauid in his Psalms which yet is at this day wanting in them And in like manner some Sentences are alledged from Tully and Plato and the same are not to be found in their wrytings now extant Therfore this former Obiection only argueth that certaine parts of Ignatius his Epistles may be lost but maketh nothing against those now remaining In like sort our Aduersaryes do reiect as counterfeyte the writings of Dionysius Arcopagita as confessed to make for our Catholike Doctrine their chiefe argument is in that these his writings are neuer mentioned by Eusebius and Ierome To this may be answered that (k) Euseb hist l. 5. c. 29. Ierom. in Catal. prope init Eusebius Ierome do confesse that there are many bookes and Authors which neuer came to their knowledge A thing not vnlike if we but remember as incident to those precedent tymes the knowne want of printing and great difficulty of Manuscripts through the violent persecutions which then raigned Finally touching the Lyturgies of Chrysostome they vrge it making altogether for seuerall poynts of our Catholike and Roman fayth that as M. Jewell obiecteth (l) Iewell in his rep●y pag. 10. Chrysostomes Masse prayeth for Pope Nicolas who was Pope seuerall hūdred yeres after Chrysostome that also it prayeth for the Emperour Alexius who liued in like manner many ages after Chrysostome These are but friuolous Cauils For in all ould Lyturgies or Bookes of Cōmon prayer prayer is specially appointed to be made for Princes and Bishops for the names of whom are certayne places reserued which are subiect to alteration according to the change of succeeding tymes and persons The lyke course wherof for Princes we may discerne in the English Communion Booke composed in K. Edwards tyme where according to the change of succeeding gouerment are inserted the names of Queene Elizabeth
Caluin with an accustomed sl ight in this manner When Caluin vndertaketh to answere many texts of Scripture vrged in proofe of some Catholike Article or point Caluin begins to answere two or three of such texts as may seeme in an ignorant eye to be best capab●e of some shew of answere and for the other passages of Scripture which are most conuincing for the point vrged in which we Catholikes chiefly insist and wherunto Caluin cannot pretend any answere he passeth them ouer commonly in these words The chiefest passages J haue ●wered as for the other texts of Scripture wr●● by the Papists to the same end they are so im●●tinently alledged as that it were but tyme lo●● answere them therfore I passe them ouer as 〈◊〉 worthy of answere Here is Serpentiue craft 〈◊〉 the Card. calls it For Caluin thought it b●●ter policy not to conceale the chiefe 〈◊〉 by vs vrged for that might argue a gu●nes in Caluin but to take particular no● of them and so by sl●ighting the force all such passages to make the ignorant ●●der b●lieue that they nothing conduce the Catholike point for which they pretended Dolus an virtus quis in hoste quirat Animaduersion XIII THe Protestants do set downe the 〈◊〉 preaching of the Word and the true A●●●nistration of the Sacraments to be the Ma●● of the Church The reason of this th● proceeding is double First herby to re●● the Catho●ikes Notes of the Church 〈◊〉 meane Antiquity Visibility Succession V● c. seeing they are not able to iust● these Notes in their owne Church S●cōdly because by erecting their owne Not● of preaching the Word and administring 〈◊〉 Sacraments they reduce to their owne Ce●sure only reiecting all other Authorities which is the true Church For they will acknowledge the word to be truly preached at the Sacraments rightly administred on● such places and after such manner and ●els where or otherwise as themselues 〈◊〉 to thinke and determine And yet by their proceeding they are mightily ●●nded And here I will briefly recur to ●t D. Whitaker sayth of these Notes These (q) Whitak contia Cāp rat 3. Notes being present do constitute a Church ●eing absent do subuert it Now the Prote●ants during many Centuries haue wanted ●hese Notes therefore during all that time 〈◊〉 Church hath beene wholy extinct and ●nihilated That the Protestant Church ●uring many ages hath beene depriued of ●hese Notes I meane of preaching the word ●nd administring the Sacraments is euicted ●ut of the confessed Inuisibility of the Pro●estant Church for many Ages for thus ac●ordingly Sebastianus (r) E● de abrogand in vniuersum omnibus statut Ecclesiast Francus a great ●rotestant writeth For certaine through the ●●orke of Antichrist the externall Church toge●her with the fayth and Sacrament vanished a●ay presently after the Apostles With whom ●greeth Caluin thus acknowledging Factum (s) Inst 4. c. 1. sect 11. est vt per aliquot secula c. It was brought ●o passe that the true preaching of the word of ●od did vanish away for the space of certaine ●ges Animaduersion XIV A Weake and confused Iudgment may suggest or conceaue difficulties but it is a cleare ●dgment that must resolue them The reason of the disparity herein is this To 〈◊〉 one thing for another or to erre in the p●●per nature essence of things is the so● of doubts and questions but to be able range and marshall together things of 〈◊〉 nature and to deuide and seuer things sunder which carry a great likenes one● another for such resemblance of partic●lars euer begets mistaking as also to kn● what essentially is agreeing to the na●● of any thing and what but accidentally companieth the same is a worke of the l●dicious This I write that vnlearned 〈◊〉 may learne Humility in beliefe and 〈◊〉 seeke to apprehend with their weake iu●ments the high Misteries of Christian R●gion especially the Articles of the B. ●r●●● the Jncarnation and of the Reall presence Christs body in the holy Eucharist Animaduersion XV. IT sometymes may fall out that the 〈◊〉 Inuentour of a false Opinion may be 〈◊〉 Heretike as mantayning it before it be c●demned by the Church whereas the Professours of it after its condemnation b●come Heretikes according to that senten● of Vincentius (t) L. de Haeresib Lyrinensis O admira● change of things The Authours of one and 〈◊〉 same Opinion are esteemed Catholikes the followers Heretikes Thus we see that it is co●tumacy against the Definitions and Decree of the Church of Christ which consummate an Heresy Animaduersion XVI WE are to call to mind that the Ceremonyes in the celebration of the Masse were successiuely and at seuerall times added and first brought in by seuerall Popes And accordingly we fynd that the (u) The Relicks of Rome or the Anatomy of the Masse by ●ntony de Ada●o prin●ed 1●56 Hospin●●n Histor Sa●●am●nt ● ● c. 4. 5. 6. 7. Aduersaryes of the Church of Rome as willing to discouer our Innouations though in the smallest Matters and but in points of Indifferency haue most dilligently and painefully recorded them in their seuerall bookes written of this very subiect with all due circumstances both of the Popes introducing them and the tymes wherein they were introduced Here now I vrge if the Enemyes of the present Church of Rome we●e thus diligent and solicitous in noting the begining of ech Ceremony of the Masse all such Ceremonyes being meerely accidentall to the Masse and without which it may as truly and effectually be celebrated as with them If they I say could haue discouered any Innouation in the maine doctrine of the Masse as the doctrine of the Reall Presence the Sacrifice of Christs Body there offered vp c. would they haue beene silent therin Or rather would they not haue loaded their Bookes with relation of all such Innouations they consisting not in small Ceremonies but in most sublime and high points of Christian Religion Animaduersion XVII THe Protestants are so various or rath● contrary in their Positions writings as that a man may borrow from their ●●uerall Confessions both the propositions 〈◊〉 premises out of which the Conclusion sh● rise wholy making ag●inst their Religion For example D. Humfrey thus wryteth (x) D. Humf● I● s●●s in part 2. c. 3. Oportet Ecclesiam esse Conspicuam Conclu● est Clarissima Jt is an euident Conclusion th● the Church of God ought to be conspicuous 〈◊〉 visible And M. Hooker God hath and ca● shall haue some visible Church vpon the eart● But of the cōfessed visibility of the Churc● of God more fully I will shew hereafte● Now touching the Inuisibility of the Protestants Church we reade M. Napper th● to confesse (y) V. p●● the Reue●●t in c 11 12. God hath with drawne his v●sible Church from op●n assemblies to the hart●● particular godly men And D. Fulke confesset● thus (z) D. Fu●ke in his answer to a counterfeyt Cach p. 16. The
Church in the time of Boniface th● third which was anno 607. was inuisible fled into wildernes there to remaine a long season Now to reduce all these Confession● into an Argument Thus then I dispute D. Humfrey M. Hooker and diuers others here omitted doe generally teach that the Church of Christ must necessarily euer be visible But D. Fulke M. Napper and many other Protestants for breuity here passed oue r●● ingenuously confesse that the Protestant Church hath for many ages beene wholy Inuisible Therfore euen in the Iudgement of the Protestants themselues the Protestant Church is not the Church of Christ This kind of arguing in many other Questions may become familiar to him who is conuersant in the Pro●estāts bookes or in that Catholike Booke called The Protestants Apology wherein a man may see euen thousands of Protestāts Confessions against themselues Now to this I annex this following that wheras the Scripture teacheth the necessary visibility of the true Church of God as also wheras diuers learned Protestāts do truly acknowledge that the Protestant Church hath for many ages beene wholy inuisible Therefore diuers other learned Protestāts throgh their inueterate malice to our Catholike Religion and as confessing the predictions in Scripture of the euer visibility and enlargment of the true Church of God not to haue beene accomplished in the Protestants Church haue flatly renounced their Christianity charging Christ our Sauiour as a seducer themselues so becomming Iewes and Turks I will exemplify this point to omit some others in these men following all before their Apostacy most eminent Protestants First then Dauid (1) See the hi● ory of Dauid George printed at Antwerp 1568. published by the Deuines of Basill George once Professour at Basill became a blasphemous Apostata Ochinus (2) Of Ochinus his Apost●●y Zanchius witnesseth in his booke de Tribus Elohim who with Peter Martyr first planced Protestancy in England in like sort denied Christ and taught circumcision as Zanchius the Protestant confesseth (3) Of Neuserus his Deniall of Christ Osiander the Protestant witnesseth Cent. 16. part 2. pag. 8●8 Neuserus once Superintendent of Heidelburge turned Turk an● was circumcised at Constantinople as Osiander the Protestant affirmeth (4) Touching Alamannus see Beza in E●ist 65. pag. 308. Alama●nus a Swinglian and once deare to Beza became a Jew as Beza himselfe sayth Laeli● (5) The Bookes of Laelius Socinus against the Trinity are yet extant Socinus a scholar in the schoole of Geneua did write whole Bookes against the B. Trinity Finally to omit many other eminent Protestants Georgius (6) That Georgius Paulus denyed the Trinity with the Turks is witnessed by Stancarus the Protest lib. de Mediat fol. 38. Paule minister of Cracouia denied the Trini●● with the Turks Thus of Instances for th● point Animaduersion XVIII A Man cannot auoide the force of the former kind of Dispute consisting 〈◊〉 the Confessions of the Protestants by replying that other learned Protestants d● maintayne the contrary in the same poin● to the Protestan●s aboue by me alledged This answere is most weake th● reason thereof being in that there is grea● disparity betweene learned Protestant confessing some points which do aduantag● the Catholike fayth and others thoug● as learned Protestants maintaining th● contrary seeing the first sort of men speak against themselues and their cause who being iudicious and learned men would neuer do but as being conuinced with the Euidency of the truth therein Whereas the●● second kind of men do not admit the confessions of their brethren but speake only in behalfe of their owne Religion and so such their denyalls are to be reputed more partiall And this Animaduersion is to be remembred in many other points confessed by some Protestants and denied by other Protestants Now of what force the Argument from the authority or confession of ●n Aduersary is appeareth both from the testimony of the ancient Fathers and the Protestants themselues First then Irenaeus thus writeth hereof Jt is (a) L. 4. c. 14. an vnanswerable proofe which bringeth attestation from the Aduersaries themselues with whom conspireth Nazianzene saying Jt (b) Orat. de S. Basil is the greatest cunning and wisdome of speech to bynd the Aduersary with his owne words Now touching the Protestants acknowledging the same we find Osiander the Protestant thus to write The (c) In Ep. Eucharist confession testimony of an Aduersary is of greatest authority And Peter Martyr Among (d) Loc. tit ce Iudaeis fol. 300. other testimonies that is of the greatest weight which is giuen by the Ene●ies Finally D. Whitaker The (e) Contra Bellar l. de Eccles controu 2. q 5. Argument ●ust needs be strong and efficacions which is ●●ken from the Confession of the Aduersaries And I do freely acknowledg that truth it selfe is able to extort testimonies euen from its enemies Thus much hereof Therefore I here only conclude that as a testimony of a friend against a friend so of an Aduersary in behalfe of an Aduersary is of great force and most conuincing So certaine are those words of Tertullian (f) In Apolog. Magis fides prona est in aduersus semetipsos confitentes quam pro semetips● negantes Animaduersion XIX THere is great difference to be made betweene Protestāts speaking against themselues and yet belieuing the Protestant doctrine and Conclusion touching some circumstances wherof the Confessions are betweene some others who afore were Catholiks and after do defend some one or other point of Protestancy Since their later men do not speake against themselues but in defence of some such Protestant doctrine then newly entertained by them and consequently in defence of their own● opinions And therfore such their authorities are not to ballance equally with the Confessions of the former Protestants Th●● Animaduersion is giuen with reference to Erasmus Cassander Cornelius Agrippa Polide●Virgill Nilus and some others euery on● of which imbraced some one Protestan● Tenet or other though diuers of them after recōciled themselues before their deat● to the Catholike Church by abandonin● their former receaued Innouations Animaduersion XX. CHoose rather to dispute with a Protestant touching matter of Fact in whic● may be proued the falshood of the Protestant Religion then touching any Dogmaticall point of fayth or Doctrine as receauing its proofe from the Scripture This I speake not but that the Scripture maketh most clearely for the Catholiks against the Protestants but because your Aduersary in dispute will euer cauill at your exposition of Scripture reducing it in the end against all Antiquity of the Fathers and tradition of the Church to the interpretation of his owne priuate and reuealing Spirit Now in matter of fact your Aduersary is forced to stand to the Authorities deduced from Ecclesiasticall History and other humane proofes And therefore he must either shape a probable if not a sufficient answere to them which he cannot do they wholy making against him euen
vincula reis profer lumē caecis c which acts say they are peculiar to Christ And againe in the same Hymne they obiect those words Monstra te esse Matrem as implying a mother and awfull authority ouer Christ. In explication of the first we demād that our Lady would loose our Sinnes and bring light to the blynd only by her imp●tration and praying to her blessed Sonne not otherwyse and therfore in most of our set p●ayers to her we adioyne these words following Per Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum Touching the second sentence We do not wish her to impose any command or Motherly authority ouer her Some But we only vnderstand hereby shew thy selfe a Mother by appeasing thy sonne in our behalfe this by the remembrance of all thy Motherly tender care and loue towards him in his Infancy through the whole course of his life that by thee he may receaue our prayers and therefore it immediatly followeth in the same Hymne sumat per te preces But now if these words be such an eye-sore to the Protestāts what will they say to those words of S. Paul Omnibus (p) 1. Cor. 9. omnia factus sum vt omnes facerem saluos J am become to all men all things that I may saue all Where the Apostle in words assumeth to himselfe the Saluation of others In like manner in that Antiphone in our Ladies office beginning Salue Regina c. Our Apuersaries insist in those words Et Iesum benedictum fructum ventris tui nobis post hoc exilium ostende And shew to vs after this our exile Jesus c. To which I answere That it is lesse to say To shew the Sauiour vnto men then to say To saue men And yet we read the Apostle thus to say Et teipsum (q) 1. Tim. 4. saluam facies eos quite au●iunt Thou shalt ●●ue thy selfe and them that do heare thee Moreouer it is obiected out of that Antiphone that the B. Virgin is stiled Spes nostra Our Hope To this I say that these words are vsed because next after our Lord Iesus Christ being God and Man we chiefly place our confidence in the mediation of the Bl●s●●d Virgin Since our Hope is not to be placed only in the Authours of our Good but also in the Intercessours and ministers thereof And according hereto when our Lo●d said to the Iewes It (r) Iohn 5. is Moyses who accus●s you in quo speratis in whom you hop● Our Sauiour did not reprehend the Iewes in that they hoped in Moyses but because they did not belieue Moyses Finally our Aduersaries cannot brooke our Lady to be called Mater misericordiae because say they God is the Father of Mercy therefore the B. Virgin cannot nor ought to be called so But this is no good consequence for we read that Christ is called Lux (s) Iohn 9. mundi and yet Christ sayth of his Apostles Vos (t) Math. 5. estis lux mundi Thus such titles may be giuen to God and men in a different relation without any dishonour to God Animaduersion XLVII THe puritans do most maliciously peruert seuerall texts of Scripture in dishonour of our B. Lady For example First they obiect as seeming at least to rest doubtfull of the continuance of our B. Ladyes Virginity that Text Et non (u) Math 1. cognoscebat eam donec peperit filium primogenitum which words say they seeme to afford a double Argument The first is taken from the word Donec inferring from thence that after the byrth of her Sonne she should carnally know Joseph The second from the words following Filium primogenitum seeing Primogenitus properly signifieth that sonne which is first borne in reference to those Sonnes or children which are after borne I answere first touching the word Donec which word as also the word vsque doth not euer signify an affirmation after the time expressed if a Negation did goe before neither alwayes do they signify a Negation when an affirmation did precede For example Sede a (x) Psal 109. dextris m●is donec ponam inimicos tuos scabellum pectum tuorum Sit at my right hand vntill J make thy Enemyes thy footestoole Now these words do not import that after he shall not fit at the right hand of his Father The like sentences to these are these following Donec (y) Math 5. transeat Caelum Terra iota vnum aut vnus apex non praeteribit á lege And againe Ego (z) Math. 28. vobiscum sum vsque ad consummationem mundi In all which locutions sentences of Scripture that which is doubtfull is expressed but that which is certaine is not expressed or spoken of Now touching the word Primogenitus Epiphanius (a) Haeres 78. denieth that Christ was called Primogenitus Mariae the first borne of Mary for the Euangelist sayth not Primogenitum suum but he sayth Fitium suum primogenitum signifying therby that he was the Sonne of the B Virgin but withall the first begotten Sonne of God Seing accordingly we thus read Ipse (b) Coloss 1. namque est primogenitus omnis Creaturae He to wit Christ was the first borne of all Creatures S. Ierome sayth that Christ was called (c) Adue●s Heluid Primogenitus Mariae not because she brought forth any other Sonne after him but because before him she brought forth no other Sonne For it is the phrase of Scripture that those who are Vnigeniti are called Primogeniti So S Paul calleth Christ Primogenitus (d) Heb. 6. Dei for the only-begotten sonne of God Lastly they vrge that sentence Jnter (e) Math. 11. natos mulicrum non surrexit maior Iohanne Baptista There hath not risen among the borne of women a greater then John the Baptist intimating hereby that the Blessed Virgin is inferiour in dignity to S. Iohn Baptist. This is easely answered First if the words as they lye be literally taken as our Aduersaries pretend then should John Baptist be greater then Christ Secondly because S. Iohn Baptist in those words spoken by Christ is compared only with the Holy men of the old Testament but Christ and his Mother as also the Apostles belong to the new Testament Animaduersion XLVIII DIuers Protestants as aboue is shewed do hould such bookes to be Scripture which other Protestants reiect as Apocryphall therefore it followeth that the Scripture it selfe cannot shew at least to vs which is the point controuerted which is Scripture which doubt is only to be referred to the Authority of the Church And therefore M. Hooker truly sayth Of things (f) Eccles Pol. l●● 1 Sect. 14. p. 8● necess●ry the very chiefest is to know what Bookes we are to esteeme Holy which point is confessed impossible for the Scripture it selfe to teach And againe It is (g) Ibidem l. 2. Sect. 4. p. 102 ●4● and D. Couell in defence of M. Hooker art 4. pag. 31.
not the word of God which doth or possibly can assure vs we do well to thinke it is his word N●w if the Scriptures be confessedly vnable to afford vs certaine proofe of themselues then in all true consequence of Reason much lesse are they able to direct exempt vs in case of doubt and question infallibly from Errour the rather as D. Reynolds truly confesseth in (h) Confer c. 2. Diuis 2. pag. 68. that it is not the shew but the sense of the Scripture that must decide Controuersies Now from this I infer that if according to the learned (i) The Authour of the Treatise of the Scripture and the Church cap. 16. fol. 75. Whita con Staplet l. 2. c. 4. p. 203. Kempn in Exam. part 1. pag. 69. and diuers others Protestants here cited it is to be determined to vs which is Scripture by the iudgment of the Church which confessedly hath the assistance of the Holy Ghost in infallibly discerning to vs which Books of Scripture are sacred and which not then necessarily followeth the Churches no lesse needfull assistance of the same Spirit in her like discerning vnto vs the sense of the said Scripture for what auayleth it vs to be made certaine of the Bookes and least vncertaine of the Sense Or what reason can our Aduersaries alledg whereby to acknowledge the Churches priuiledg in the one and deny it where it is no lesse needfull in the other This inference being granted vtterly ouerthroweth the Priuate spirit in its interpretation of Scripture Animaduersion XLIX IT is a demonstration in confutation of the Priuate spirit interpreting the Scrippture to obserue the different or rather contrary constructions which Luther and Caluin and others giue of that short sentence Hoc est Corpus meum c. Hic est sanguit meus And yet they all do vant of their enioying the said Spirit And therfore it is the lesse wonder that S. Austin (k) Austin cont Maximum Arian l. 1. affirmeth that it hath euer beene the custome of all Heretikes to flie to Scripture alone as it is interpreted by this Priuat Spirit The absurdity of which opinion more euidently appeares since it is certaine that among diuers meere contrary or cōtradictory point● of fayth the Scripture condemneth the on● And yet both the maintainers of the said contrary doctrines do flie to the Scripture as Iudge Now what madnes is it for 〈◊〉 man willingly to couet to appeale to that Iudg by whom it is certaine his cause shal be condemned Neither can either of the Litigants put any confidence in the meanes of truly interpreting the Scripture to wit Prayer Conference of places of Scripture knowledg in the Tongues c. since all these meane● are most vncertaine euen by the Confession of D. Whitaker thus writing (l) Whitak l. 2. de Eccles cont Bellar. contr 1. quaest 4 Med●● interpretandi ●oca scripturae sunt incerta c. The meanes of interpreting the obscure places o● Scripture are vncertaine doubtfu●l and ambiguous Therfore it cannot be otherwise but the interpretation it selfe must be vncertaine Si incerta tum potest ess● falsa if the interpretation be vncertaine then may it be false Thus far the said Doctour Animaduersion L. TOuching the depressing of General Councells Peter Martyr thus writeth As long (m) L. de votis pag. 476. as we insist in Generall Councells so long we shall continue in the Papists Errours with whom D. Whitaker conspires in these words Generall (n) Lib. de Concil cont Bellar. q. 6. Councells may erre Now let vs see the great and many disparities wherby a Generall Councell is infinitly aduantaged in respect of not erring aboue the Priuate Spirit of any one man First then a Councell I heere only speake of Generall Councells is in S. Austins (o) So doth S. Austin terme a Generall Councell Ep. 161. iudgment The supreme Tribunall in the Church of God The Priuate Spirit hath but his owne braynes for the Seate of his Iudicature A Coūcell receaues its promise from (p) Where two or three are gathered together in my name c. Math. 18. Christ that his assisting presence shall not be wanting thereto The priuate Spirit euen by Gods (q) No prophesy is of any priuate interpretation 2. Per. c. 1. owne sentence wanteth the certainty of expounding the Word truly A Councell is much reuerenced by the ancient (r) Ierom. l. cont Lucifer Ambr. Ep. 32. Athan Epist ad Epicterum Fathers and acknowledged by diuers of our learned (s) D. Couel in his modest Exam. p. 110. c. Aduersaries to be the only certaine meanes of determining Controuersies The Priuate Spirit it that of which we are (t) Dearely beloued belieue not euery Spirit c. commanded to doubt and of whose seducing (u) These things I haue written to you concerning those who de●eaue you Iohn 1. c. 2. God himselfe in Scripture premonisheth vs And which is much condemned euen by the more moderate (x) D. Couell in his defence of Hooker p. 86. D. Sarauia contra Respons Bezae pag 306. and others Protestant A Councell consisteth of many hundred venerable Doctours Pastours gathered from the most remote nations of Christendome and therfore the lesse subiect vpon such their meeting iointly and with mutuall consent 〈◊〉 stampe any Nouelismes in Doctrine presenting that only to be belieued in the●● Canons which is decreed by the mutua● consent of all or the greatest number of them The priuat Spirit is but its owne only weening oftentimes dissenting from others of his Brethren in diuers points of fayth To conclude A Councell as being composed of seuerall hundreds of Bishops Doctours hath many members of it most eminent for vertue readines of the Scriptures skill in the Tongues they all besieging the eares of God with their daily prayers accompanied with many corporall austerities and all to the end that God would be pleased so to guyde their tongues and pens as that they may decree only such doctrines as are agreable to Gods holy Word The Priuate spirit as being but one man doth want for the most part not only Vertue but also those other gifts of the Vnderstanding aboue specified as Learning knowledg in the Scriptures c. And as for Prayer and other meanes of pleasing God it reiecteth all this as superstitious and Papisticall relying in lieu therof vpon his owne Enthusiasmes illuminations from the Lord. And thus much touching the balancing of a Generall Councell with the Protestanticall Priuate Spirit Animaduersion LI. IF you attempt to charge a Protestant-writer with Corruptions or lyes in their wrytings of which Impostures their books are most luxuriant rather insist in a few those manifest and vnanswerable then in a great number seing if your Aduersary can make shew to salue but three or foure of a greater number the which he may the more easely do by how much the number of his falsifications is greater
the supposed answering of those few chosen and picked out by him must serue through the partiality of iudgement in his followers to disgrace all the rest of the Corruptions or falsifications vrged by you Animaduersion LII THe Protestants in falsly alledging the authorityes of Authours do abuse their Readers chiefly foure seuerall wayes First which is the most vsuall by concealing some part of the alledged authority Secōdly by adding some words of his owne to make the produced Authour or Father to speake like a Protestant Thirdly by transposing the words of an authority thereby to make the sense different from the Authors true meaning Fourthly by a wilfull mistaking or confusion of tymes I will exemplify these foure sorts in the wryting of D. White a great Impostour in his Scripts in his booke called The way to the true Churc● Well then the said Protestant in p. 119. o● his said Booke produceth a place out of the Rhemists to proue that the Church of Rom● can make that Scripture which is not an● vnmake that to be Scripture which is Scripture To proue this he produceth the Rh●mists (y) Gaelat 1. thus saying The Scriptures are 〈◊〉 knowne to be true neither are Christians bon●● to receiue them without the attestation of th● Church Now heere marke the true word● of the Rhemists and therein obserue his impurity of dealing committed by concealing part of the Sentence iust crossing his intended drift of vrging that authority Their true words are these The Scriptures whic● are indeed of the Holy Ghosts inditing being p●● into the Churches triall are found proued an● testifyed vnto the World to be such and not ma●● true altered or amended by the same Since the Holy Scriptures in themselues were alwayes true before but not so knowne to be to all Christians All these are the words of the Rhemists where you see the wilfull concealement of this Parcell The Scriptures are n●● made true altered or amended by the Church as also that other the Holy Scripturs in themselues were alwaies true meaning without the attestation of the Church Now all that can truly be gathered out of this authority is that the Scriptures though most sacred and true in themselues cannot be so made knowne to vs in which words lyeth the touch of the point without the Churches attestation But how farre off is this from M. Whytes vrging of this place Touching his imposture committed in ●dding of words this one place shall serue Thus then the said D. White produceth Bellarmine in contempt of the Churches authority saying Other meanes may deceiue me but nothing is more knowne nothing more certaine then the Scriptures That it were the greatest madnes in the world not te belieue thē c. Now in this sentence these words viz. Other meanes may deceiue me are not in Bellarmine but most subtily added to the begining of Bellarmines words and caused to be printed in the same kynd of Character or letter wherein the other words of Bellarmine are printed thereby to make the Reader belieue that they are words of Bellarmine wheras they are added as I about insinuated for the more depressing of the Churches Authority Now the whole sentence of Bellarmine was directed against the Swinkseldians who absolutely denyed Scripture and against whom Bellarmine in that place disputeth Touching the fraud consisting in a cūning transposition of words without adding any words to the authority alledged or concealing any parcell therof this example of the foresaid M. Whyte may serue In pag. 344. of his way to the true Church he produceth for the ouerthrow of the religious vse of Images the Councell of Eliberis thus saying No (z) Can. 36. Picture is to be made in the Church lest that be adored which is painted on the walls But the true words of the Canon are these Plac●●● picturas in Ecclesia non habere ne quod coli●● adoretur in parietibus depingatur Jt pleaseth the Councell that pictures should not be in the Church lest that which is worshipped an● adored be painted on the Walls The nyce difference in words resteth thus Lest that which is worshipped be painted and as M● Whyte translateth Lest that which is painted be worshipped Where the words of the Councell acknowledging the worship of Images maketh the worship due to them to be the cause why they are not painted on the walls to wit because they were subiect to be defaced either by inuasion of Enemyes or rayne c. Now M. Whites translation only by a subtill transposition of the words imports that Pictures are not to be worshipped at all Lastly concerning the Calumny resting in a wilfull confusion of tymes The said Protestant in pag. 61. for proofe of Priests lawfull mariage produceth a Testimony from Sinesius Bishop of Ptolemais thus writing of himselfe to a friend The sacred hand of Theophilus hath giuen me a wyfe and hereupon Iustify to all men that J will neither forsake her nor priuily as an adulterer keep her Company but I will pray to God to send me by her many and good children This Epistle is at large set downe in (a) Eccl. hist l. 14. c. 55. Nicephorus Now heere t●e fraud lyeth that at the tyme when this Epistle was written Sinesius was but a Lay-man but eminent for learning Now after he made himselfe priest and was created Bishop of Ptolemais he euer liued separated from the company of his wyfe as fully appeareth out of Nicephorus in the place aboue alledged Here then the Ministers deceit lyeth in applying that to him as if he had beene then Bishop which was spoken by him being a Layman and so M. White most fraudulently confoundeth those two different tymes together as if all had hapned at one and the same tyme. Animaduersion LIII YF your Aduersary will vant that he will proue all by Scripture only as most of them giue it out they will then force him to draw both his Premisses I meane both his Propositions if so they should be reduced to a forme of Argument from the Scripture alone of which Method within two Arguments at least he is certaine to fayle For if he take either of his Propositions from humane Authority or from naturall Reason you may tell him he leaueth his vndertaken of prouing by Scripture alone and consequently you may deny his force of Argument though Logicall in forme Here I further aduertize that if your Aduersary vndertake the part of an Opponent tye him precisely euer to Oppose which Scene perhaps he being brought to a Non-plus would flyely transferre vpon you In like sort if he taketh vpon him to answere suffer him not to oppose thought he labour so to do to free himselfe from answering Thus be sure that ech of you keepe your chosen Station Animaduersion LIV. IF the Protestant should seeke to expoūd by way of conference of places those words of our Sauiour This is my body this is my Bloud figuratiuely by those other words of his J
Damnatio● And D. Whitaker thus auerreth It (h) Controuers 2. q. 5. cap. 9. is false that Hereticall and Schismaticall Churches are true Churches Thus far of our Aduersaries excluding Papists Anabaptists Arians Heretikes and Schismatiks from the Protestant Church and not acknowledging them to be members thereof nor their Doctrines Protestancy Now we will obserue what change and mutability of iudgment herein our Aduersaries shew at other tymes in willingly embracing all these former sort of men and some others also as good Protestants and in state of Saluation And first of the Papists Luther sayth In (i) In Ep. contra Anabapt the Popery there is true Christianity yea the Kernell of Christianity many pious great Saincts M. Hooker (k) L. Eccles Pol. 3. c. 1●8 we gladly acknowledg them of Rome to be of the family of Iesus Christ and M. Bunny we (l) In his Treatise of pacification sect 18. are no seuerall Church from the Papists nor they from vs. The Anabaptists are admitted for good Protestants by Oecolampadius saying (m) L. 2. Ep. p. 63. Baptisme is an externall thing which by Law of Charity may be dispensed with And D. (n) In his answere to the Protest Apol. l. 4 cap. 3. sect 10. Morton we Protestants iudge the state of the Anabaptists not to be vtterly desperate The Arians are acknowledged by M. Morton to be of the same Church of which the Protestants are and he giueth his reason in these words Because (o) In his booke of the kingdom of Is●ael and the Church pag. ●4 the Arians hould the foundation of the Gospell And M. Hooker seemeth to intimate the same in these words The (p) Eccles Pol. lib. 4 p. 181. Arians in the reformed Churches of Poland c. hereby insinuating that those Protestant Churches of Poland did acknowledg the Arians to be members of their Church Of Idolaters M. Hooker thus fauorably writeth Christians (q) Eccles Pol. l. 3 pag. 1●0 by externall profession they are all whose marke of recognizance hath in it those things which we haue mentioned yea although they be impious Idolaters wicked H●tikes c. Infide●ls are also in our Aduersa●●● iudgments m●mbers of a sauing Church● fayth for thus writeth Swinglius Eth●●● (r) Swingl Ep Oecolam l. 1. p 39 si piam mentem domi fouerit Christianus 〈◊〉 etiamsi hristum ignoret And hereupon S●●glius conclu●eth that (s) Swing● tom 2. fol. 118. 559. Hercules Socrates ●ristides are now in Heauen as is in anoth●● place shewed Finally the Protestants are 〈◊〉 courteous as that they are content to ●●corporate Antichrist within their Church 〈◊〉 state of Saluation This I thus proue I● 〈◊〉 ouermuch knowne and diuulged that m●ny Protestants do teach with full mout● that the Pope is Antichrist Now then let 〈◊〉 see how at other times they write of hi● whom they hould to be Antichrist and 〈◊〉 Religion Antichristianity Here then we f●●● D. Whitaker thus to acknowledg I will (t) D White in his answere to the first Demonstration of D. Sanders not say that from the tyme that Papistry beg●● to be Antichristianity the Popes themse●●● haue beene all damned And yet D. Whitaker 〈◊〉 where confidently auerreth the Pope to be Antichrist In like sort M. Powell hath the like sentence saying I will (u) In his answere to the last Demonstration of D. Sanders in no wise say that all the Popes from the tyme that papistry was first reuealed to be Antichristianity a●● damned Thus much of this point whereby we may discerne the wounderfull and vnheard mutability of our Aduersaries Iudgments touching who are Protestants and Professours of that Church wherein a man may be saued A demonstration vnans●erab●e ●●le and irrepliable to proue that the Pro●●●●ant Church and fayth such as these for●●r men do restrayne or enlarge it is 〈◊〉 capable of Saluation And how then can Christian know if he will rely vpon the ●●gments of Protestants herein to what 〈◊〉 of Protestants or within what Church 〈◊〉 may range himself for the Saluation of 〈◊〉 Soule Animaduersion LXXXXVIII ●N that there are many Catholike Articles the which the Iewes before the com●ing of Christ did belieue therefore it fol●●weth euidently that the said Articles can●ot be reputed to be Innouations or lately ●●uented Doctrines but as ancient as the ●ymes before our Sauiours Incarnation I ●ill exemplify in some The Booke Eccle●●asticus admit for the tyme it be not Scripture speaketh directly of our Sauiours ●●scending into Hell in those words where it ●s said in his person I (x Eccles 24. will pierce through ●●e sower parts of the Earth J will looke vpon all such as be a sleepe and will lighten all them that ●●ust in the Lord A saying so pertinent for proofe of Limbus Patrum that D. Whitaker (y) Contra Duraeum l. 8 pag. 5●7 acknowledging the true sense thereof auoydeth it by saying the Booke is not Canonicall which at this present is imperti●ent since here I seeke only to proue the ●●uth of diuers of our Catholike points as being belieued by the Ancient Iewes before our Sauiours tyme in their writings whether Canonicall or not Canonicall Touching Prayer for the Dead It is warranted by the example of Iudas (z) Machab 2. Machabaeus the true seruant of God as also is taught by Rabbi Simeon who liued before Christ and diuers other ancient Rabbyes Rabbi Simeon thus writing of such as are temporally punished after this life After (a) In lib. Zoar. in cap 13. Genesis they are purged from the filth of their sinnes then doth God cause them to ascend out of that place Touching Gods Induration or hardning of Pharaos hart the Iewish Rabins so conspire in affirming with vs the same to be by Gods permission only and not by his working that Peter (b) Peter Martyr in Epist. ad Roman c. 9. Martyr and Munster (c) Munster in Annot. in Exod. c. 7. do accordingly acknowledg this Exposition Concerning Freewill that place in Ecc●esiasticus (d) Ecclesiast 1● to wit Say not thou he hath c●●sed me to erre Yf thou wilt thou shalt obserue the Commandements He hath set water and fyre before thee stretch out thy hand to which thou wilt Before man is life and death Good Eu●●● what lyketh him shal be giuen him This testimony I say is so euident for Freewill that D. Whitaker in answere thereto reiecteth the authority saying De loco (e) In resp ad ras Camp rat 1 p. 25. Ecclesiasticiparùm laboro c. J make small account of Ecclesiasticus Philo the learned Iew who liued in Christ his tyme thus writeth Man (f) Philo in lib. quod Deus fit immutabelis hath Freewill to which purpose is extant the Oracle in Deuteronomy I haue placed before thee Lyfe and Death Good and Euill chuse Lyfe Concerning Angells Saints the Booke of Tobias written before Christ is so playne (g) Tob.
Superstitious then a Protestant And a Protestant sooner becom an Atheist then a Catholike The Reason of both is euident And first whereas the Catholike Religion besides the beliefe of many dogmaticall points of fayth retayneth the practise of many Ceremonies the true vse of which Ceremonies as being first instituted by the primitiue Church are most lawfull but now if the ignorant Catholike through want of due instruction do ascribe more to them then is due or do put greater cōfidence in them then he ought as forgetting them to be but Ceremonies then perhaps he may haue a superstitious conceite of them as it happened in the Brazen Serpent though otherwise seruing as the figure of Christ To which the Iewes through abuse thereof in ascribing more worship to it then they ought at length bare a Superstitions respect But now touching the Protestants greater propension to Atheisme the reason is in that Protestancy euer refynes it selfe by Negatiues Thus for example The Caluinist or Puritan denies more then Lutheran or the moderate Protestāt The Anabaptist more then the Puritan The Anti-trinitarians more then the Anabaptists the Iew or Turks more then the Anti-trinitarians and for the last sublimation through deniall of all Iudaisme and Turcisme resolues into Atheisme And hereupon we find that whereas many Protestants by their often refyning of their Religion and all by Negatiues do in the end become Atheists denying euen the being of a Deity that few or no Catholikes immediatly from Catholike Religion euer fall into the open Blasphemy of Atheisme Animaduersion CVIII THe preaching of the Word and Sacraments supposing them to be Notes of the Church as our Aduersaries do suggest proue only the Place where the Church is but not which is the Church For the Church consisteth of men and we cannot tell who they are that receaue the Word truly preached or the Sacraments truly administred Againe whereas as Lubbertus (k) L. 4. de Eccles cap. 1. a Protestant truly teacheth Notius est duplex vnum Naturae alterum nobis Now here the Question is only of such Notes as are Notes in respect of vs for our better informing which is the true Church and not as they are Notes in respect of Nature For here we are instructed a posteriori and according to the measure of that knowledg which God vouchsafes to afford to vs. Now in reference hereto we freely grant that the true preaching of the word and Administration of the Sacraments may be termed Notes of the Church but not Notes to vs which is only the point here stood vpon For though they be Notes in Nature of the truth of the Church yet what doth this auayle vs since they are not Notes to vs for our direction to find which is the true Church Againe the true preaching of the word and the Administration of the Sacraments cannot be Notes to vs which is the true Church seeing the Scripture it selfe cannot be made knowne to vs for Scripture but only by the attestation of the Church as M. Hooker testifieth in these words Of (l) Hooker in Eccles Pol. saec 14. l. 1. pag. 86. things necessary the very chiefest is to know what Bookes we are to esteeme holy which is confessed impossible for the Scripture it selfe to teach And againe We (m) Vbi supra l. 3. p. 146. all know the first outward Motiue to esteeme of the Scripture is the authority of the Church Thus he Now this being granted it ineuitably followeth that first we must know which is the true Church to giue this approbation of the Scripture before we can know which is the Scripture and much more then before we can be assured of the true preaching of the Word and which is the true construction of the Scripture To these former Arguments I adioyne this pertinent obseruation It is this When the Catholikes demand to set downe the true Notes of the Church our Aduersaries answering That is the true Church which enioyeth a true preaching of the Word and an auayleable administration of the Sacraments Now I here affirme that this description of Notes is but our owne Question returned vs back in other termes and consequently but a Sophisme consisting in an idle circulation of the same point inuested with a new forme of words For when I demand which is the true Church I vertually implicitly and according to the immediate meaning of my words demand which Church is that which enioyeth the true preaching of the word and the true vse of the Sacraments since only the true Church is honored with this kind of preaching and distribution of the Sacraments Thus far touching the Notes prostituted by our Aduersaries as the true Notes of Christ his Church Animaduersion CIX SVch Protestants as do mantayne that there were Protestants in all ages before Luther giue the reason that the feare of Persecution was the cause why the said Protestants did then lye latent and became not visible to the world But this is a meere aēry suggestion For thus I argue The Church of God vnder persecution either communicateth openly with a false visible Church in participation of Sacraments and externall professiō of fayth Or els she doth refrayne from all such externall Communion if she do communicate with a false Idolatrous Church as diuers of our Aduersaryes repute the Church of Rome to be then is she not the true Church since the true Church cannot brooke any such dissimulation For we read With the hart a (n) Rom. 10. Mā belieueth vnto Iustice and with the mouth confesseth vnto Saluation If she doth not communicate with it then by such her forbearing she is made knowne and consequently is become thereby visible for who are persecuted but Men that are knowne Or how can one lying secretly and hiddenly be said to be persecuted The truth of this point is further warrantable from the examples of the persecution in the primitiue Church which of all other pressures of the Church was incomparably the greatest And yet we fynd that the particular Bishops Confessours and Martyrs are euen to this day made knowne who they were what false Opinions and Heresyes they impugned And the like may be said of the English Catholikes persecuted in Queene Elizabeths reigne since the names and memoryes of those reuerend Pryests and others of the Laity to speake nothing of many worthy Confessours and other suffering great losses and disgraces who lost their lyues in her dayes only for Religion are euen to this day fresh and recorded Therefore I heare demaund that if the Catholiks in this our Country being but a small part of Christendome could not but for some few nūbers of yeares in comparison escape the search and hands of their persecutours and become thereby most visible knowne How could then the Protestants being supposed to be dispersed thtoughout many Nations lye hid and auoyd for so many ages together as is pretended the force of that persecution which is affirmed by
done but that which is donne cannot be vndone though it be done freely and contingently Therefore it may be concluded that the Prescience of God imposeth not a necessity to things as foresight or foreknowledg is considered in it selfe neither as it is considered to be the Prescience of God This is proued for as God doth foresee what men will do so he also foreseeth what himselfe will doe but the Prescience of God doth not force God that he will worke or do any thing therefore by the same reason his Prescience doth not force men In like manner the Protestants obiect that Gratia efficax which we Catholikes do grant that it is giuen to diuers men doth destroy Freewill To this I answere with S. Austin that this Gratia efficax hath indeed an infallible certitude but yet hath no necessitude but only ex hypothesi and in this respect it doth not hinder the Freedome of mans Will for though certaine it is that this Gratia efficax will not be reiected yet it is as certaine that it may be reiected And therefore this efficacious grace where it is giuen doth no more induce a necessity or hinder the Freedome of the will then the Prescience or foreknowledg of God doth Animaduersion CXXXVI SOme of our Aduersaries and particularly Luther as is aboue said do thus write The ten (p) Luther ser de Moyse Commandements appertaine not to Christians And againe The ten (q) Fox Act. Mon. p. 1335. Commandements were giuen vs not to do them but to know our Damnation and to call for Mercy And yet more plainly D. Willet writeth The Law remayneth still impossible to be kept by vs through the weaknes of our flesh Neither (r) Willet in Synops Papism pa. 564. doth God giue vs ability to keepe it but Christ hath fulfilled it for vs. Thus these men seeke to free vs from keeping the Cōmandements because say they Christ hath kept them for vs. And may not any man conclude from the same ground that we Christians are not bound to pray at any tyme or to practise Vertue and Piety because Christ hath prayed for vs all and liued a most holy life for vs all Such incentiues to all vice and turpitude in conuersation doth this doctrine beget in the belieuers thereof and therefore the lesse wonder that we find Luther thus to write A (s) Luth. tom 1. wittenberg de captiuit Babilon fol. 74. Christian man is so rich that although ●e would he cannot loose his Saluation by any s●nne how great soeuer vnlesse he will not belieue Animaduersion CXXXVII IN setting downe the necessity of the euer Visibility of Christs Church I will not so much insist in the Scriptures or in the authority of the Fathers confirming the same as in the true and ingenious acknowledgment of the learned Protestants thereof which being here once expressed then I will draw a most dangerous and irrepliable inference to the mayne ouerthrow of the Protestants Church Well then to begin● We find Caluin thus to write Nan (t) Inst. l. 4. c. 1. Sect. 4. is visibili Ecclesia c. Extra cuius gremium non est speranda peccator●m remissio Out of whose besome we cannot expect any remission of sinne● H●nnius giueth his sentence in these words God (u) In his Treatise of E●●●will pa. ●1 in all times hath placed his Church is a high place and hath exalted it in the sight of a●l ●eople and Nations Iacobus Andraeas that famous Protestant We (x) In his booke against Hosius pag. 210. are not ignorant that the Church must be a visible Cōpany of teachers and hearers Melancthou is most luxuriant in his Sentences of this point who thus writeth Necesse (y) Melanct in Concil Theologi ●art 2. est fateri esse visibilem Eccles●am c. It is necessary to confesse the Church to be visible Whither tendeth then haec portentosa Oratio this monstrous Opinion which denieth the Church to be visible And in another place this Protestant thus further discourseth Whensoeuer (z) In loc com ●dit 15●● c d● Eccl●s we thinke of the Church let vs b●hould the Company of such men as are gathered together which is the visible Church neither let vs dreame that the Elect of God are to be found in any other place then in this visible Society c. Neither let vs imagine of any other in●isible Church Briefly the said Melancthon vrging seuerall texts of Scripture in proofe of the Churches visibility sayth (a) Melanct vbi supra Hi sim●●s loci c. these and such like places of Scripture Non de idaea Platonica sed de Ecclesia visibili loquuntur D. Field thus writeth The (b) Lib. 1. of the Church c. ●0 pag. 19. Persons of whō the Church consisteth are visible their profession knowne euen vnto the prophane c. I will conclude with D. Humfrey thus teaching Cur (c) D. Humfrey in his Iesuitis part 2. cap. 3. anxiè curiosè probant quod est à nobis numquam negatum Why do the Papists so painfully seeke to proue that which we neuer denyed And then after he sayth Non enim cluncul●rij sec●stus connoçationes s●nt Christianae The Society of Christians are not secret meetings And then there speaking of the Church militant he further thus sayth Oportet Ecclesiam ess● conspicuam Conclusio est clarissima It is a manifest Conclusion that the Church is to be conspicuous and visible Thus far of the learned Protestants confessing the truth touching the euer necessary and vninterrupted visibility of the Church of Christ Now the Deduction which I draw from the premisses is this That seeing the Church of Christ must euer be conspicuous and visible And further seeing that the Protestant Church hath beene wholy latent and inuisible according to the iudgment of some Protestants for the space of this last thousand yeares but by the acknowledgment of other learned Protestants during these last thirteene or foureteene hundred yeares as aboue I haue set downe in our Aduersaries literall authorities and sentences acknowledging so much what other thing then can result out of our Aduersaries owne positions but that the Protestant Church through want of a necessary and vninterrupted visibility is not the true Church of Christ Animaduersion CXXXVIII THat Luther was an Enemy to the Diuinity of Christ and the Blessed Trinity is aboue shewed In this Animaduersion Caluin shal be charged with the like impiety This I proue in that Caluin labours to auoyd detort all such chiefe places of sacred writ as the Ancient Fathers were accustomed to alledge in proofe of Christs Diuinity Now first I will set downe his owne words against the B. Trinity whereof he thus sayth Haec (d) In Ep. 2. ad Polonos in tract Theolog. p 796. precatio Sancta Trinitas vnus Deus miserere nostri mihi non placet barbariem ●mnino sapit This prayer Holy Trinity one God ●aue mercy
vpon vs doth not please me for it tasteth of Barbarism Now to come to the text impoysoned by his Constructions and first that markable passage J and (e) Ioan. 10. the Father are vnum vz. one thing euer mainly insisted vpon by the Ancient (f) Chrysost in hunc locum Austin in hunc locum many others Fathers against the Arians for proofe of the Diuinity of Christ is thus auoyded by Caluin (g) Caluin in Ioan. ca. 10. Abusi sunt hoc ●xo Veteres vt probarent Christum esse Patri Homousion neque enim Christus de vnitate sùbstantiae disputat sed de consensu The ancient Fathers haue abused this place to proue that Christ is Consubstantiall to his Father For Christ here disputeth not of the vnity of Essence but of the vnity of Consent and will Againe that passage There (h) 1. Ioan 5. be three that giue testimony in Heauen the Father the Word and the Holy Ghost and these three be one Which text the ancient Fathers euer expounded of the Trinity Caluin thus answereth Quod (i) Caluin in hunc locum dicitur tres esse vnum ad essen●iam non refertur sed ad consensum potiùs That is where it is said these three are One these words are not to be referred to One in respect of Essence but rather of Consent In like manner that place Thou (k) Psal 2. art my Sonne bodie this day I haue begotten thee Cal●i● (l) In Psalm 2. interpreteth with the Arians against the Diuinity of Christ This point I meane of Caluins interpreting the chiefe passages of Scripture euer vrged by the Ancient Fathers for proofe of Christs Diuinity with the Arians to impugne Christs Diuinity is so c●eere and confessed as that Aegidius Hunnius a most markable and learned Protestant writeth a booke against Caluin of this subiect thus entituling it Caluinus Indaizans hoc est Iudaicae glossae corruptelae quibus Joannes Caluinus illustrissima scriptura sacra loca testimonia de gloriosa Trinitate c. detestandum in mo●um corrumpere non exhorrait With this blasphe●y against the Blessed Trinity Caluin is further charged by Conradus (m) In Theolog. Caluinist l 2. fol. 38. 39. sequent Sclusselburg by (n) In his Admonit de Arianis Pelargus by Stancarus (o) Sc●nkarus contra ministros Geneuens Tyguri●o● and lastly by Ioannes Mathaeus all eminent Protestants which Mathaeus did write a booke against Caluin for teaching Arianisme stiling it de Cauendo Caluinistarum fermento c. Animaduersion CXXXIX FRom the confessed Inuisibility of the Protestāt Church during so many ages aboue granted it is proued that the Protestant Church is not the true Church of Christ by this Medium following The Prophesyes do fore shew that the Church of Christ in the tyme of the New testament shall conuert to its faith the Gentils their Nations and kingdomes thus accordingly we read Esay to fortell of the Church (p) Esay c. 60. vide etiam cap. 54. The Iles shall waite for thee meaning the Church Their kings shall minister vnto thee and thy Gates shal be continually open neither day nor night shal they be shut that men may bring to thee the riches of the Gentils with whom accordeth the Roiall Prophet speaking in the persō of the Church (q) Psal 2. I will giue thee the Heathens for thy inheritance and the ends of the earth for thy possession That these places of Scripture besydes diuers others are vnderstood of the enlargement of Christs Church and the cōuersion of kingdomes and nations vnto it is warranted by the acknowledgement of (r) O●colamp vpon Ieremy Occolampadius (s) In his def●nce p. 400. D. Whitguist D. Whitaker (t) In his answere to M. William Reyno●●● and others as also by the Annotations of the Protestants owne English (u) Printed in the yeare 1576. Bibles Now for proofe that the Protestant Church neuer yet conuerted any Gentils or Heathen Kingdomes and Nations to its fayth we will begin first from Luthers tyme and so ascend by degrees vp to the Apostles And first from Luthers days to Gregory the Great or Boniface the third which contayneth a thousand yeares it is euident that during all this tyme the Protestāt Church remained wholy Jnuisible as is aboue demonstrated from the acknowledgments of Protestants and therefore could not conuert any Countryes or Kingdomes to its religion Againe touching all these Countryes here expressed to wit The Danes (x) Cant. 8.9 10.11.12.13.14.15 Morauians Polonians Slauonians Bulgars Hunnes Normans Bohemians Noruegians Saxons Germans and diuers others here omitted the Conuersions of all these happened within this last thousand yeares and therefore were conuerted by the Church of Rome and to the present Roman fayth euen by free acknowledgment of the Magdeburgians or Centurists according as the Bishops of Rome liued within those seuerall ages Neither can our Aduersaries name any one Heathen Country in Christendome conuerted to Christianity by the Protestant Church And hence it ryseth that D. Whitaker doth stile the Conuersion of all the former Countryes as granting them to be conuerted to our present Roman fayth impure (y) Whitak l de Eccles contra Bellarm. § 336. and corrupt Conuersions Now to ascend from these last thousand yeares vpwards to the other next three hundred yeares I meane to the dayes or the first Christian Emperour during the space of which three hundred yeares no Countryes or Kingdomes were conuerted at all to Christian Religion either by Catholikes or any others for it is euident that in those daies there were no Kings professing the Christian Religion the Emperours of the East only excepted among whom some were false (z) As Valens Constantius constans Christians as being defiled with Arianisme others (a) Iuliā Apostates Now concerning the tyme it selfe of Constantine it is so certaine that neither himself nor any Country by his meanes was conuerted to the Protestant Religion as that the Magdeburgenses all Protestants recording the state of the Church in Constantynes tyme do charge Constantine with all our Catholike points at this day professed by the Church of Rome styling them The (b) Cent. 4. Errours of Constantine and of his Age. Now to ryse higher in tymes to wit from the tymes of Constantine to that of Christ our Sauiour it is witnessed by all Historiographers that the Church of God was in such violent Persecutions as that it had no meanes to inlarge it selfe by conuerting to it Kings or Kingdomes and if it had at that tyme conuerted any yet the Question would then follow whether such a Conuersion had beene made to the Protestant or to the Roman Church But the euidency of this point appeareth both from the writings of the Protestant Deuines of Wittenb●rg (c) In the booke Disputationes c. as also from the testimony of D. Barlow who thus discourseth hereof (d) Barlow in his defence
Virginity yet it followeth not c. 10. That the Scriptures are to be discerned so far as cōcerns our taking notice of thē by the authority of the Church Austin most fully teacheth and is therefore condemned by Swinglius in these words Here (82) Swingl tom 1. fol. 135. J intreat your indifferent Iudgments that you freely speake whether this saying of Austin meaning about the discerning of Scripture by the authority of the Church be thought more audacious then fitting or to haue beene vttered imprudently 11. Touching the Bookes of Toby Iudith Hester Machabees S. Austin doth admit them all for true diuine and Canonical Scripture and for such his doing is reprehended by Hospinian (83) Hospinian hist Sacr. part 1. p. 160. Zāchius de sacra scriptura pag 32. 33. D. Fyeld of the Church l. 4. c. 23. p. 246. D. Reynolds in his conclusions annexed to his Conference conclus 2 p. 699. 700. Zanchius D. Fyeld and Doctour Reynolds 12. S. Austin is so full for the Doctrine of Traditions that they are to be receaued as that M. Cartwright speaking of one Tradition which Austin defended thus bursteth out To allow (84) Cartwrights in M. Whitguiftt Defence p. ●6● S. Austins saying is to bring in Popery againe and further he thus speaking of S. Austin herein Yf (85) In Cartwright his second Reply part 1. pag. 84. 85. 86. S. Austins iudgment be a good iudgment then there be some things Commanded of God which are not in the Scriptures and thereupon no sufficient Doctrine contained in the Scripture 13. Touching the Sacraments conferring Grace to the worthy Receauer S. Austin for teaching our Catholike Doctrine therein is reprehended by (86) Luth. l. contra Coelaeum and Caluin lib. Instit 4. c. 14 sect vlt. Luther and Caluin 14. That Children could not be saued without being baptized Cartwright thus speaketh of S Austin herein Austin (87) Cartwright in whitguifts defence pag. 5●1 was of mind that Children could not be saued without baptisme And hereupon then Cartwright chargeth S. Austin with Absurdity (88) Vbi supra p 516. Now in regard of this absolute N●ce●sity of Baptisme to Children B z● (89) Beza in respons ad Act. Colloq Montisbelg par 2. p. 143. confesseth that Austin taught that in case of necessity it is lawfull for the Layty to ba●●ize 15. Touching the Reall Presence taught by S. Austin Hospinian (90) Hist Sacramen par 1. l. 4. pa. 292. 293. the Protestant chargeth and repreh●ndeth S. Austin therefore and particularly for these words of S. Austin When (91) Austin tom 8. in Psal 33. Christ said This is my body then that his body was carryed in his hands 16. That Austin taught that the wicked contrary to the Doctrine of the Protestants did receaue the body of Christ is confessed and reprehended by Bucer in these words How (92) Script Anglic pag. 619. often doth Austin write tha● euen Judas receaued the very body and bloud of our Lord Now further that Austin taught that the Sacrament ought to be taken f●sting is confessed by Hospinian in Hist Sacram part 1. pag. 48 In like manner that Austin taught that Holy bread was to be giuen to the Catechumeni D. Fulke confesseth thus answering therto terming i● A superstitio●● bread giuen in S. Austins tyme to those tes● were Catechumeni insteed of the Sacrament Fulke against Heskins c. l. 3 c. 23. pag. 377. To passe further that the body of Christ in respect of his being in the Sacrament is to be adored in the Sacrament D. Bilson reprehendeth S. Austin for such his Doctrine Bils●● in his true difference par 4. pag. 536. To conclude touching the B. Sacrament of the Eucharist whereas S. Austin teacheth in tom 3. in Enchirid. cap. 110. saying The Sacrifice of Christs body and bloud is propitious or auaileable for the soules in Purgatory this sentence being confessed by Hutterus the Protestant and in lieu of full answere therto he sayth Jn aeternum defendi non potest This saying of Austin can neuer be defended Hutterus l. de sacrificio Missatico l 2. c. 7. p. 525. 17. S. Austin was so earnest in defence of Freewill and Vniuersall Grace that he is therfore acknowledged and dislyked by the Century (93) Cent. 5. c. 4. col 900. 501. writers The Centurists (94) Centur 5. ca. 10. col 113● and whitak ad Rat. Camp rat 1. pa. 12. D. Whitaker do acknowledg that Iustification by works is in like manner taught by S. Austin 18. Touching the doctrine of merit of works thus writeth Osiander of S. Austin Austin sometymes in the Article of Iustification seemeth to attribute ouermuch to the merit of works c. Cent. 4. l. 4. cap. 23. 19. Touching Prayer for the Dead thus D. Fulke auoucheth Austin (95) D. Fulk in confut of Purg. pa. 349. defended prayer for the dead And that S. Austin did hould Purgatory is in like manner confessed by (96) Fulk ib. pa. 78. D. Fulke 20. Touching Inuocation of Saints S. Austin is so fully Catholike that himselfe doubteth not to pray to S. Cyprian being long before martyred which action Kempnitius thus reprehēdeth (97) Exa par 3. pa. 211. Austin did this without Scripture yielding to the tyme and custome 21. In proofe that Images may be worshipped Hospinian (98) Sacram part ● l. 5. c. 8. though a Protestant yet agreeing with S. Austin herein alledgeth him in proofe hereof 22. Touching the fast of Lent and other fasts S. Austin is reprehended by the Centurist Cent. 5. c. 6. col 686. 687. 23. Touching vowing of Monasticall life the Centurists (99) Cent. 5. col 710 charge S. Austin with the Doctrine thereof and Hospinian thus writeth of Austin herein Austin (100) Hosp de origine Monach. fol. 33. was a great louer of Monasticall profession according to the custome of that age To conclude this long Animaduersion Austin taught that Antichrist should be but one only man and that therfore the Popes being many cannot be truly accounted Antichrist this is confessed and dislyked by the (101) Cent. 1. l. ● col 435 Centurists Thus farre now of this passage from whence we may conclude that that Father to whom so many learned Protestants did aboue giue so high commendation and praise was in all poynts of our Catholike Roman Religiō euen by the acknowledgment of the Protestants an entyre Roman Catholike or Papist and hereupon I referre to the iudgement of any man carefull of his saluation whether it be not more secure for one to range himselfe in faith Religion with so worthy a member of Christs Church as Austin was euen in the confession of our Aduersaryes who notwithstanding their Diuersity of Religion from him euen in relating of his Catholike Doctrynes for the most part do giue him the tytle of Saint then to dissent from him in fayth and to ioyne himselfe in Religion
Adoration or Jnuocation or in any other sort To this Peter (10) Peter Martyr lib. contra Gardin part 1. obiect 150. Martyr and others do answere that if any such reuerence was exhibited by the Fathers to the Eucharist this reuerence was not terminated in the Eucharist it selfe but directed to Christ signifyed therein and so by the mediation of those earthly elements transferred vnto him No otherwyse t●● when the Papists for thus do they part●c●larly instance praying before Jmages 〈◊〉 not their prayers to the Images but to Christ 〈◊〉 the Saint represented therein But against t● Euasion I first aske what secret intellig● haue our Aduersaryes with the Fathers ●tention herein since the Fathers words g● not the least intimation thereof Secon● I say that (11) L de Hierarch Eccles c. 3. part 3. saying O Diuinissimum Sacrosanctum Sacram. c. Dionysius doth inuoke 〈◊〉 Sacrament it selfe and not Christ only ●fore the Sacrament Thirdly this their ●sweare admitting it for true doth wa● euen in their iudgements the Cathol●● praying before Images and the reuere●● giuen to them which Doctrine the Pro●stants do so much inueigh against Animaduersion CLXVII THe Scripture is most difficult for three ●spects First in regard of its multiplie● of the Senses of one and the same passage Scripture Secondly in respect of the phr●● wherein the Scripture is deliuered Third● by reason of the height of the subiect whe● the Scripture intreateth To touch all t●● briefly First concerning the Sense T●● are in diuers passages of Scripture three ●uerall senses besydes the literall all i●●ded by the Holy Ghost The senses are ●led Allegoricus Tropologicus and Anagog● Now how shall an ignorant mā know 〈◊〉 texts of Scripture be capable of all these 〈◊〉 of them The Style of the Scripture is ●●de difficult as being stored with figures 〈◊〉 Allegoryes and full of Hebrew phrazes 〈◊〉 Dialects as appeareth in perusing the ●●lms and the Apocalyps The subiect of the ●●●ipture is most high as discoursing of the ●●eation of the world of Nothing of the ●ysteryes of the Trinity and the Incarnati●● besides many other Dogmatical points 〈◊〉 transcending the light of mans naturall ●●prehension And therefore S. Ambrose had ●●od cause thus to pronounce of the holy ●●●ipture Mare (12) Ambros Ep. 44. ad Constantium est scriptura Diuina ha●●s in se sensus profundos Ad hereto that the ●●●ipture hath to an ignorant eye diuers see●ng contrarietyes though in thēselues they are most true and reconcileable For example these two texts (13) Ezec. 18. Filius non portabit i●quitatem patris anima quae peccauerit ipsa ●●rietur And this other Visitans (14) Exod 10. ini●●tatem patrum in filios in tertiam quartā●●nerationem how can an ignorant man or ●o man reconcile these passages And what ●●ity then may one discerne in a Mechani●●l fellow or silly woman who can only ●t reade carrying the bible vnder their ●●me to the Church and vaunting of the ●ines of the Scripture and auerring that ●●emselues are able to vnfould expound ●e most abstrusest passages there O pride ●●d ignorance Ad finally that in the Scrip●●e the plurall number is sometymes vsed for ●●e singular number as Marc. 15. we read they that were crucifyed with him rayled at hi● and yet we know it was but only one of the theeues that did so the good thiefe honoring our Sauiour See the like hereto touching this kynd of phraze of the Scripture besydes other places in Hebr. 7. Againe the Scripture in diuers texts doth vnderstā● by the word Omnis only quidam For example in Math. 27. we reade dicunt omn● vt crucifigatur and yet the B. Virgin S. Ma● magdelen the Apostles and diuers others d● not so cry out against our Sauiour The li● phraze is in those words Omnes quae s● sunt querunt Philip. 2. yet the Apostles and many other good Christians were e●empted out of this sentence But now he●● I demand how can an vnlearned man r●concile these and the like sentences w●● the true meaning of the Holy Ghost in t● Scripture Animaduersion CLXVIII THe Catholike Church deliuereth c●taine Rules for the more perfect kno●ledg of true Traditions The first When 〈◊〉 vniuersall Church doth imbrace any doctri● as a point of fayth the which is not found in 〈◊〉 holy Scriptures it is necessary to say that thes● point proceedeth from the Tradition of the A●●stles The reason hereof is in that the vniu●●sall Church as being the (1) 1. Timoth 3. pillar and fou●dation of truth cannot erre And theref● what the Church belieueth to be of fay● ●e same doubtlesly is of fayth But no ●int or Article is of fayth but what God ●th reuealed either by the Apostles or Pro●ts since at this present the Church is not ●ouerned with new Reuelations The second When the vniuersall Church ●h obserue any thing which not any but only ●d had power to institute and yet which is not ●nd written in the Scripture the same we are ●resume to be deliuered from Christ and his ●ostles the reason hereof is like to the rea●n of the former Rule to wit in that the ●iuersall Church cannot erre either in belie●g or in working especially if the wor●g doth concerne any rite of diuine wor●● And such is the Baptisme of Infants The third That which is obserued through● the vniuersall Church and cannot fynd any 〈◊〉 institution thereof in the most ancient tymes same we are to belieue that it was first ord●y●● by the Apostles though it be of that nature that the Church had power firct to ordayne it ●is is the rule of (2) Lib. 4 contra Donat. cap. 24. S. Austin The fast of ●t may be an example hereof For this fast ●ght haue been instituted by the Church Christ or his Apostles had not afore insti●ed it Yet we maintayne that it was insti●ed by Christ or his Apostles because as●ding vp to higher tymes and seeking af● the first Origen therof we find no be●ning thereof but only in the tyme of Apostles The fourth When all the Doctours of the Church being gathered together either in a generall Councell or in their seuerall writings and bookes do teach with a common consent that such or such a point descendeth from Apostolicall Tradition we are to belieue that it is an Apostolicall Tradition The reason of this rule is because if all the Doctors of the Church shold erre then followeth it that the whole Church should erre since she is obliged to follow her Pastours and Doctours Now where we speake of the Fathers touching any point in their seuerall writings here we are to vnderstand that we hould it not necessary that all the Fathers should write therof but it is sufficient if some Fathers of the chiefest note and eminency do expressely affirme the point in writing and that other Fathers do not contradict them therein taking notize of such their writings Here we say
Paralitick members in the Church who by study and labour will not endeauour to be able to performe the operations and facultyes belonging to their profession And as touching such of you as shall arriue to that perfection as to wryte Bookes in defence of your owne Religion what consolation may it be to your Soules and increase of accidentall glory when your Bodyes being corrupted and turned int● ashes you neuerlesse shall dayly speake by meanes or your wrytings to posterity instructing them in the way of Saluation The liuing acknowledge themselues much behoulden to those though long since departed this world who haue recorded in wryting the temporall and humane Lawes of their owne Country and haue cleared them with the true meaning of the fi●st Lawgiuers what obligation then is due by the liuing to such dead men who haue faythfully by their pens deliuered and explicated the Law not of man but of Go● I meane the Gospell and vndoubted fayth of Christ by the fruition of which Law and fayth the soule arriueth to its eternall felicity as through the want of it precipitately falleth into euerlasting damnation And can any kynd of study more then this be prized But some of you who are of lesse spirituall courage may perhaps say The Lawes of the Realme prohibit vnder great penalty all persuading to a Religion contrary to the present state and profession of the Realme It is so indeed But withall the same Lawes do prohibit your entring into the Realme after your taking of the Holy Order of Priesthood will you be so ready then to expose your Bodyes to death for the one and yet will forbeare for feare of death the other Againe that Statute was made by a Woman Prince and the Laity the incompetent Iudges in matters meerely spirituall But there is an other Statute so to terme it enacted by a Potentate infinitly supreme I meane by God himself who thus commandeth vs by his Apostle Obedire (9) Act. 5. oportet Deo magis quam hominibus a Statute indeed which ought far to preponderate all human Statutes or decrees And admit you should endure death for such your spirituall Labours of which there is small feare or rather small hope in regard of his Maiestyes most clement and mercifull disposition were it not a happines for you to redeeme your Sinnes by so glorious a death Furthermore how can that be accounted death which is suffered for him who is Lyfe Since by so doing by ceasing to breath you instantly begin to breath the Ioyes of Heauen and thus by sheeding of bloud you make your owne Bloud to become a Key for the opening of the Gates of Heauen Sanguis (10) Cyprian Martyrum Clauis Paradisi Therefore deare Brethren take courage and by your studyes and paynes labour to furnish your selfe with all Scholerlike preparation for the ouerthrowing of Heresyes in the soule of men and in place thereof for the planting of true fayth and remember that it is said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 A false fayth is euen worse then Infidelity Let those words of the Apostle often come into your myndes and heate your owne ●epedity therewith Praedica (11) 2. Timoth. 4. verbum ●usta oportunè importunè argue obsecra in●repa c. I speake not this as if you should pro●eed either by Pen or Dispute in any tu●ultuous or vndutifull manner O noe Let things in their owne nature Religious ●e caried withall religious manner beare ●ll reuerence to the State and Loyalty to ●is Maiesty praying dayly to the Allmighty ●o preserue our King Charles who is full of ●ommiseration pitty and fraught with ●ll good morall endowments and his most ●ertuous Queene an honour to her Sex that ●hey both may Enioy two Ierusalems I meane true temporall felicity heere vpon Earth and eternall in Heauen and do you often call to mynd those words of S. Paule We 12 ●3 Ro. 1● are to be sub●ect to higher powers seeing there is no power but of God But to returne back Take to your Consideration the great vse you shall haue of your skill and knowledg in English Controuersies For first there are ma●y morall Protestāts both Gentilmen of worth others who scorne all base cariage towards you with whom by the interueniency of friends you may haue as daily experience sheweth oportunity to discourse touching matters of Religion Many of which as before little hearing and lesse belieuing what the Catholiks can speake in defence of their Religion against theirs will afford a greedy and listening Eare to your speach How large a fyeld then haue you here wherein to plant and disseminate your owne fayth Diuers Ministers do spit their Venome out of their pulpits in their weekely Sermons and Inuectiues against the Church o● Rome as also many Bookes written by Protestants do yearely come out impoysoning their Readers with their imposture and fraud against the Catholike Religion● And is it not then a thing worthy of all labour to be able to detect and lay open th● said calumnies with your pens Further more Admit any of you should be apprehended and sent to prison what goo● if your knowledg in Controuersies be su●ficient may you do in that place to those of a different Religion who either out of curiosity will repayre to you to see what can be said by you in defence of your Religion or out of a Puritanicall vaunting Malice of Ministers shall seeke by dispute hoping you are little experienced in those studyes to disgrace and dishonour your Religion In proofe of which point I can affirme out of my owne knowledge that a certaine (*) M. W. B. Priest a Vertuous man and much practized in Controuersies once taken and sent to the Common prison was in the beginning much assaulted by diuers Ministers openly in the presence of the Iudges of the Affises as also after in the Priests priuate Chamber but he so bare himselfe in his answeres and disputes with them did so gaule them like a strong beare casting of at his pleasure the weake and cowardly dogs which seeke to take hold of him as that the Iudges rested much abashed thereat commanding that no further open Disputation should after be had with him He also was assaulted by some Puritans in prison but he gaue them such entertaynment as that they grew quickly weary of him so as staying a good whyle after in durance he could not haue a sight of any of them This Accident gaue in that Shyre where it happened great credit to the Catholike Cause and wrought much spirituall Good Now thinke you not that this Priests labour was most happily and fruitfully spent in the study of Controuersyes And why may not then any of you vpon returne into your owne Country and imprisonment haue the like oportunity presented vnto you At what tyme if your talent in dispute be great and preuailing you get ground vpon Heresy if but small and elementary you become a disgrace
to your Priesthood and to your Religion and are made a foyle to your Aduersary Therefore worthy men make great disquisition and search by your owne priuate Labours into those Controuersyes which are at this day most agitated betweene the Catholikes and the Protestants and through desire of vanquishing your Aduersaries become euen breathles therin And though you shall haue vse of other Studyes as Cases of Conscience and of schoole Diuinity which serue chiefly to apply Vniuersall Truths of Schooles to particular points of Controuersyes yet let the Study of Controuersyes be your fauorite Study make it become at it were Ars Architectonica to all the rest You are to become spirituall Pastours to mens soules feeding them with the celestiall foode of the Sacraments of Gods Church yet euer remember that that Shephard performeth his duty with the greatest perfection who not only preserueth and keepeth safe those sheepe which are allready enclosed in his folds but laboureth also to reduce and bring back to the fold such straying sheepe as yet lye open to the danger of the Wolues Thus much out of my thirsty desire of persuading you what in me lyeth to the earnest prosecution and imbracing of the foresaid Study But now before I end this my Parenefis and exhortation to you I will make bould with your good lykings briefly to s●● downe what Course or Method I could wish you to take in the Studyes of Controuersyes euer subiecting my iudgment herin to the iudgments of the more learned and better experienced Controuersists 1. First then I could wish you because our Aduersaries seeme to rely chiefly vpon Scripture to be much conuersant in such Texts of Scripture as are either obiected by them for the impugning of our doctrine or which are insisted vpon by vs for the confirmation of the same But touching such passages of Scripture which we vrge it were good to make choyce of those whose true interpretation is indifferētly acknowledged by vs and our Aduersaries for these are most pressing Such are the Texts touching the cōtinuall visibility of the Church of God and of its priuiledg of conuerting Heathen Kings and Kingdomes vnto it as is aboue shewed in some of the former Animaduersions 2. Be most expert in the Protestant English Translation of Scripture as is aboue premonished for this gauleth the Aduersaries the more in that they cannot take exception against the Translation and certainely the Scripture euen as translated by them most euidently foyleth their Cause 3. Concerning those passages of Scripture which are chiefly vrged by our Aduersaries it were necessary to obserue the true interpretation of them either in Bellarmine his Controuersies or in the Rhemist Testament if so they be drawne out of the Ne● Testament 4. Touching the authorities of Fathers and Councells considering it requireth a mighty labour to read them at large that either your want of hauing them or want of opportunity and tyme in perusing of them may easely preuent the same Therefore I could wish you first to peruse them in the Tomes of Bellarmine and then to content your selues with the Confessions of the learned Protestants who openly disclayme from them as Patrons of Papistry which Confessions of our Aduersaries throughout all points of fayth you may easely fynd in the foresaid booke of the Protestants Apology 5. I could wish you in proofe of any Catholike point to be much conuersant in Arguments drawne from Reason because those arguments stealingly penetrate the iudgments of the vnlearned and also they are more easely committed to memory Againe arguments drawne from Reason may be vsed at all tymes and vpon any occasion without the help of Bookes which are not euer at hand And furthermore the force of Reason is such as that it is not in Mans power after his true apprehension thereof to withstand in iudgment or struggle against it since man himselfe is a reasonable Creature The Controuersies of Bellarmine will afford you all abundance of this kind of proofe 6. It is very necessary as is deliuered in one of the Animaduersions that you be most prepared and well furnished in the Controuersies which consist vpon Matter of fact Such are the foresaid mentioned points of Conuersion of Kingdomes of the supposed continuall Visibility of the Protestant Church of Ordination Vocation and Mission of Ministers in the Church of God All which must receaue their proofe from Histories And hence it is that our Aduersaries foreseeing they cannot warrant from History these points to be performed in their Church therefore in their extremest need herein many of them are forced for their last refuge to say That the true Church is endued with all these priuiledges But their Church is the true Church as they proue say they from Scripture Therefore in their Church all the former points haue beene at all tymes performed A most shamefull begging of that as granted which stil is in Question and a subtill transition from History to the Scripture and this as it is expounded only by themselues Others againe of them for the better vindicating of their Church from the imminent danger ensuing from the premisses are glad to shrowd their Church vnder our Catholike Church teaching that both of them are but one and the same Church a Paradox implicitly refuted in some of the former Animaduersions but Durum telum necessitas vnto such poore shifts doth penury want bring Men. You ought to be obseruant what collaterall points touching the Articles of fayth we Catholikes hould to be but Matters of Jndifferency and may without breach of fayth as not being defined by the Church be holden either way These you are to distinguish from those other Conclusions of fayth which are inuiolably maintayned belieued by all Catholikes And therefore if your Aduersarie should insist in this kind of Indifferēcy to proue therby a disunion in iudgment among Catholikes you may tell him he doth but diuerberate the ayre and impertinently and ignorantly vrgeth such points which in no sort impugne the Vnity of our Catholike Church Now to know what points be meere Indifferencyes I refer you to the most painifull learned booke called The Triple Cord where you shall find certaine Paragraphes reserued only for the expressing of them in ech mayne Cōtrouersy To conclude referring the diligent Reader to diuers of the former Animaduersions tending to the Method of studying of Controuersies I could desire you to be most expert in impugning the Question of the Priuate Spirit and skilfull in the Iudge of Controuersies since these two mayne points potentially include all other Controuersies within them as a greater Circle comprehendeth in it selfe a lesser Circle And thus Vertuous Men wishing you a most plentifull haruest in this your Spirituall tillage of soules so to terme it I cease Once more most humbly beseeching you euen by that force of Christian charity which I presume your selues do enioy and by that true hope of Mercy which at the last day you expect as our
and 5. Luke ● 16 both who leaue out this exposition saying thus absolutely Whosoeuer putteth a●ay his wyfe and marrieth another committeth adultery And this exposition is giuen by S. Thomas Sent. in 4. distinct 35. quaest vnica art 5. So as in these former words of Math. 1● a Parenthesis is to be vnderstood after this manner Whosoeuer putteth away his wyfe which is not lawfull except it be for fornication marrieth another committeth adultery Now that the exposition of our Aduersaries of the said text was cōdemned throughout all ages of the primitiue Church is most cleere since the Fathers of ech such age eu●● taught that a man putting away his wife ●pon any occasion yea for Fornication cou●● not marry any other Woman For exam●● thus in the first Age Clemens teacheth 〈◊〉 Canon Apostol can 48. In the seco● Age Iustinus Martyr in Apolog. pro Christ. nis In the third Tertullian l. 4. in Marc●nem In the fourth Age the Councell of E●●●ris can 9. In the fifth Concil Mileuitan●● can 17. and S. Austin lib. de adulterinis con●gijs In the sixt age Primasius in Comment 〈◊〉 cap. 7. prioris ad Corinth Now here I vr● that if the former exposition of the Cath●likes be false then did the Primitiue Chu●●● wholy erre therein which is most absurd● maintayne In like manner the Primit●● Church of Christ did then wrong ma● Christians in not suffering them to vse ●pon occasion of the wyues Fornication t●● priuiledg which Christ may seeme to gra● to them I may add hereto that diuers le●●ned Protestants by maintayning that 〈◊〉 case of Diuorce vpon adultery the innoce● party cannot marry againe do reiect c● Aduersaries exposition of the former 〈◊〉 of Matthew 19. According hereto to ●mit many other moderate Protestants t●●ching the same with vs Catholikes D. H●●son in his tertia Thesi printed 1602. maint●●neth the same publikely in Oxford In l●● sort some thirty yeares since more or le●● the same Doctrine was preached at Pa● Crrsse by D. Doue● Now to all this aboue ●aid I may adioyne the exposition of S. Au●●in in l. 1. de adulterinis coniugijs cap. 9. of the ●oresaid text who there sayth That the ●ords in Math. 19. vz. nisi ob fornicationem ●ught to be taken negatiuè non exceptiuè by ●ay of negation not of exception So as the sense of them may be this Whosoeuer shall put away his wyfe nisi ob fornicationem that is extra causam fornicationis without the cause of fornication and shall marry another commit●●th adultery From which exposition the A●ultery of him is affirmed who putting away his wyfe without the cause of fornica●●on shall marry another But nothing is ●ere said of him who putting away his wyfe ●y reason of fornication shall marry ano●her Thus far of this Text. Animaduersion CLXXX AS the Inuisibility and Latency of the Protestants Church hath beene fully aboue demonstrated so here I hould it not imper●●nent if I proue the Continuall and vnin●●rrupted visibility of our Catholike Church ●nd consequently that it is that Church of God to which so many Prophesyes haue ●eene made of its vneclipsed splendour and ●●diancy Thy (46) Esa 60. Gates shal be conti●●ally open neither day nor night shall they be ●●nt c. Now this verity is proued seuerall wayes ●nd first from the confessed Jnuisibility of the Protestant Church during all former ages till Luthers insurrection And this the rather seeing the learned Protestants confesse that all the former Inuisibility of the Protestant Church was wrought by the labour power and diligence of the Catholike Roman Church Now how could the Roman Church effect so much for so long a tyme except it selfe during all that tyme were most visible According to this assertion we find M. Napper to confesse the same reason of his Churches Jnuisibility in these words During (47) Napper vpon the Reuelations caps 11. 12. euen the second th●s age meaning since Christ the true Chur●● of God and the light of the Gospel was obscure● by the Roman Antichrist himselfe Secondly the euer Visibility of the Catholike Church is proued from the acknowledged succession of Pastours in o●● Catholike Church euer since the Apostles since those visible Pastours were the visible and most eminent members of our said Church preaching and instructing others who in this respect must become also vi●it● and knowne Now this our visible succession of Pastours in our Roman Church is confessed euen by our Aduersaries for thus D. Fulke exprobrateth the Catholiks in these words You (48) D. Fulke in his answere to a Counterfayte Catholike p. 27. can name chiefe Personages in all ages marke these words in all ages and their gouerment and ministery and especially the succession of the Popes you haue vpon your fingars Thus D. Fulke Thirdly and lastly the same is thus proued Yf the most ancient and reuerend Fathers of the primitiue Church I meane Ignatius Dionysius Areopagita Iustinus Irenaeus Tertullian Origen Cyprian Athanasius Hilarius the Cyrills the Gregories Ambrose Basill Opratus Gandentius Chrysostome Ierome Austin and diuers others be accounted by our Aduersaries most earnest Professours of our Catholike Roman fayth then it foll●weth most consequently that our Catholike Church was most cōspicuous in those tymes since those Fathers were the visible Pastours of the Church then in Being Now that the Fathers of those primitiue t●mes were Papists professing the present Roman fayth appeareth besides from what is already most fully confessed by our Aduersaries in that behalfe euen from that acknowledgment of Peter Martyr saying As long (49) Peter Martyr l. de votis p. 476. as we insist in the fathers so long we shal be conuersāt in the Papists errours Now that our Catholike Church hath beene further also most visible since the tymes of those primitiue Fathers I meane for these last thousand yeares is so fully confessed by our Aduersaryes in this Treatise as that I hould it ouer wearisome and fastidious so often to repeate such their Confessions Animaduersion CLXXXI THe mayne Argumēt drawne from Reason which our Aduersaryes vrge against vnwritten Traditions is this It seemeth say they impossible that vnwritten Traditions can be kept and conserued since there are diuers hinderances thereof as Forgetfulnes Jgnorance negligence peruersnes of mens Natures and the like And hence it is that we see that such Sentences which Lycurgus Pythagoras and others deliuered only in words and not in wryting are at this day lost and perished To this I answere that I hould it impossible that Apostolicall Traditions should not be preserued since this care is not properly incumbent vpon Man but vpon God who gouerneth the Church Now besydes the prouidence of God which is the chiefe cause of preseruing the Traditions of the Church there are foure other inferiour or subordinate Causes for their preseruation The first is the committing of Traditions to wryting For although they be not set downe in Holy writ I meane in the