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A33987 An answer to Dr. Scot's cases against dissenters concerning forms of prayer and the fallacy of the story of Commin, plainly discovered. Collins, Anthony, 1676-1729. 1700 (1700) Wing C5356; ESTC R18873 65,716 77

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