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A95372 A heavenly conference for Sions saints, to enlighten themselves, and teach their children. Together, with the saints beliefe. / By Iohn Turner, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, in Gardiners Lane, Westminster. Turner, John, 17th cent. 1645 (1645) Wing T3323; Thomason E1171_2; ESTC R208818 41,818 74

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the fellowship of the Gospell 3. Having his power always among themselves Math. 18. 17 20 1 Cor. 5. 4 5. 2 Cor. 2. 6 7 8. 1 Tim. 5. 19 20. without the helpe or assistance of any others to punish vice and support vertue Q. What is the matter whereof Christs Church is made A. Visible holy Saints and no other 1 Cor. 1. 1 2. Heb. 1. 3. Ro. 17. 2 Cor. 1. 1. Ephes 1. 4. 1 Thes 2. 10. Act. 9. 4. 1 Pet. 1 6. 2 Cor. 13. 13. Col. 1. 2. 1 Thes 5. 27. Heb. 13. 24. Exod. 12. 43. 48. 1 Cor 5. 5. 6 7. 1 Iohn 2. 19. Acts 8. 21. Q. When doth one appear to be visible matter for Christs particular Church A. When his divine word doth powerfully Acts 2. 37. 41. Lu. 9. 62. 3. 7 8. Mat. 3. 7 8 9. Acts 8. 21. provoke him to confesse in word and deede Christ to be the Son of God and only to be obeyed in his worship Q. What is that which makes Beleevers to bee a particular Church of Christ A. A holy covenanting themselves together 2 Cor. 8. 5. Nehe. 9. 38. Heb. 13. 20. Mat. 1. 18. Lu. 1. 27. Isa 62. 5 to be a Church in the order of the Gospell As a man and a maid become one body in marriage by a Covenant or Contract they make one with the other Q. When have people made a holy Church covenant A. When they together have vowed or agreed Nehem. 9. 38. 2 Ch●ō 15. 12 13 14. Ac●s 3. 25. in a bodily or Church estate to walke together obediently in all things to Christs precepts For a Covenant consists in words And the Gen. 17. 2. 10. 1 Chro. 17. 23. Dan. 11. 32. performance in the practice If it be not so how could any breake Covenant Q. What is that keepes Christs faithfull Subjects being thus joyned in holy Church peace together Math. 18. 20. Eze. 37. 10. Math. 16. 19. 1 Cor. 5. 4. Heb. 5. 14. 2 Tim. 4. 8. 1 Cor. 5. 4. 12. 2 Cor. 8. 9 10 A. Christs word and cencors according thereunto Q. When is Christs holy Church powre among his people A. When they in Christs name without helpe of any others can cast out sinners from them and receive the regenerate that are not of them Math. 18. 20. Heb. 1. 3. 1 Pet. 1. 16. Ephes 1. 4. Ephes 3. 5. 23. Nehe. 9. 38. 1 Cor. 5. 4 5. Math. 18 20. them Q What are the essentiall markes of a particular Church of Christ A. Holy people holy ●ovenant holy power As to the body of a man there must be true Ezek. 37. 3 4. 5 6. 11. Eph. 4. 16 Col. 2. 19. bones true flesh and true breath or else no man So if any of these three be wanting there can be no Church of Christ Q. What power hath Christ left to each one of his particular Churches A. All the Church authority which he in this 1 Cor. 3. 21. 22. ●atth 18. 20. 1 Cor. 5. 12. 16. 3. 2 Cor. 12. 13. life hath afforded unto the Sons of men Q. Hath not one Church of Christ power over another A. No every Church of Christ hath power Revel 1. 13. 2 Cor. 12. 13. equally and alike Q. What is the power which Christ hath left unto his particular Churches A. Spirituall keyes which he hath given to Matth. 16. 19. H●b 4. 12. Mat. 18. 18 19. 20. 1 Cor. 3 21 22. open and shut Heaven with all his Ordinances Q. What are those keyes which doe open and shut Heaven A. They a●e the Spirit of God the word Ioh. 14. 26. Act. 2. 4. Rom. 8. 9. 14. 16. 1 Cor. 2. 12. 1 ●ohn 3. 24. 2. 27. Ioh. 12. 48. Q. Can none but the Saints open and shut Heaven with the key of Gods word A. * Mat. 10. 4. 7. 22 2 25. 25. Yea Reprobates though damned for their labours * Lu. 10. 17. Mat. 7. 22. As one may open the door that takes the key without authority For the key of the word will open where faith is Q. How comes Excommunication seeing the Spirit of God and the word are those keyes A. By turning those keyes against the offenders 1 Cor. 5. 4. Math. 18. 20. 16. 19. For if the key of the word locke not out the 3. Iohn 9. 10. Ioh. 4. 35. 38. excommunicated they are falsely dealt against and the Church ought to repent Q. Are these keyes given only to the Church A. Every Saint hath them in particular Iohn 4. 29. 30. 39. Mat 16. 19. Q. What be the Ornaments wherewith God adornes every particular Church of Christ A. a 1 Tim. 4. 13. Iohn 5. 39. Reading b 1 Thes 5. 17 1 Tim. 2 8. Prayer c 1 Cor. 14. 26. 31. Ro. 12. 10. A● 2. 21. 1 Pe● 4. 10. Prophesying d Act. 20. 28. Tit. 1. 5. R●v 1. 20 2. 1. 2 Tim. 4. 2. Officers e 1 Cor. 16. 2. Act. 4. 34 35. ●●● 2. 10. Contribution f Mat. 18. 20. Mat. 16. 19. 1 Cor. 5. 4 5. 11. Censors g Mat. 28. 19. Lu. 22. 19 20. 1 Cor. 11. 24 25 26. Seals c. Q. What Bookes are the Churches of Christ to reade and obey Deut. 4. 2. 5 6. Pr●v 30 5 6 Ps l 19. 7 8 9. Ierem. 1. 8. 2 Ti● 3. 16 17. Gal. 3. 15. 1 Tim 6. 3 4 5. 2 Pet. 1. 16. 19 20 21. Rev. 18. 19. A. The bookes of the old and new Testament only wherby God hath appointed to make himselfefe knowne Q. May not the bookes called Apocryfall bee read and obeyed in Christs Church A. They may not a 2 Mack 12. 44 45. 14. 41 42. Eccl. 46. 20 Wisd 19. 11. for they have in them errours b Esdras 14. 21 22 23. 12. 15. Iud. 8. 33. Iudeth 10. 9. 12. 11 12 13 14 15. 14. 3 4. 1 Mack 9. 3. 18. 2. 1. 10. 1 Mack 1. 6. 4. 8. 9. 16 2 Mack 1. 13 14 15 16. 9. 1. 5. 7 9. 28 29. untruths c Tobit 12. 12. 13. 15. compared with Rom. 8. 3. 4. 1 Tim. 2. 5. Rev. 8. 3 4. blasphemies d Tobit 6. 6 7 8. 9. 2 3. with 3. 7● 8. 11. 10 11 12 13. with 2. 9 10. magicke and e Iudith 9. 2 3 4. compared with Gen. 49. 5 6 7. Est Apoc. 12. 5. with Est Can. 6. 3. Est Apoc. 15 9 10. with Est Can 5. 2. Ecclus. 46. 20 with Isay 57. 2. and Eccles 12. 7. contradictions to the Canonicall Scriptures Q. What is prophecying 1 Cor. 14. 26. 2● 29 Rom. 8. 12 6. ● Pet. 4. 10. 1 Th s 5. 20. Num. 11. 26 27 28 29. A. A teaching of the Word of God in the Church by Doctrine Interpretation Revelatlon or Exhortation by a member that is not in any office of Ministerie Q.
to doe since his fall in his personall estate 26. What in his house among his children and servants with the civill Magistrates duty in matters of worship 27. What a true Church of Christ is how it comes to be a Church and by what markes it is to be knowne 29. What parts of Christs Church are essentiall and what ornamentall 32. What Bookes the Church of Christ ought to read and obey 34. What Officers belong to every Church of Christ and who ought to make and ordaine them 35. What the peoples dutie is to the Minister and what maintenance he ought to have 36. What the Minister must do for the people with what dutie other Officers ought to performe 36. How the poore ought to be relieved 38. What Baptisme and the Lords Supper seale unto us 39. The necessitie of being a member of a true Church the end why with the benefit thereof 44. What one must doe to be a member 46. How one brother must behave himself towards another brother being members 49. What a false Church is how a false Church is to be known and what causes it so to be 49. Who are false Ministers or Prophets 54. Whether one may stand a member of the Church of England pray with their Ministers or heare any of them preach 55. What Church all Gods people were converted in 56. Q. What is Conscience A. Rom. 2. 15. Jer. 2. 7 1 Tim 1. 19. A created facultie of the soule witnessing truth on Gods part by the thoughts accusing or excusing one another and cannot be drawn to any partialitie Beloved the Printer having failed in this question and these in this Errata I pray except them here and as you find them mend them Pag. 1. l. 8. Ro. 4. 7 for 4. 17. p. 5. l. 29. r. terrified for terrible p 7. l. 18. Mat. 9. 10. for 4. 〈◊〉 p. 12. l. 1. Rev. 1● 5. for 21 5 p. 22. l 25 1 Kin. 22 for 21 p. 23. l. 5. Deut. 5. 30. for 〈◊〉 32 p. 21 r. prophesies for promises Isay 5. for 50. p. 26. l. 2. 1 Cor. 16. 12. for 6. 1● p. 27. l 2● r same for Saints p. 30. l. 〈◊〉 Cor. 15. 3 for 5. 3. p. 13. l. 〈◊〉 Ro. 〈◊〉 6● for 1. 7. p. 34. l 10 Ioel 2. 21. for 2. 2● p. ●5 l. 28. 4●● for 1200. p. 〈◊〉 l. 14. r. higher Powers Father Mother King Master c. A Heavenly Conference for Sions Saints Question HOw comes Man and all Creatures to have being A. God Almighty created and made Gen. 1. 1. Col. 1. 16. Revel 14. 7 Psal 146. 6. them Q. Of what did God make Man and all Creatures Gen. 1. 1. Isa 45. 9. Rom. 4. 7. A. Of that he had created For to Create is to call forth of nothing that is not Q. By what means did God create althings Iohn 1. 3. 10. Heb. 11. 3. A. Only by his Word Q. What is God who is so powerfull to make all things by his Word Rev. 18. Acts 3 14. 1 Pet 1. 11. Ioh 6. 68. 1 Ioh 5. 10. Ioh. 4. 24 1. 3 Isa 9. 6 Revel 4. 11. Isa 4● 8. Pro. 16. 4. Ma● 〈◊〉 10. Gen. 1. 26. A. He is an Almighty Holy Eternall Spirit not only the Maker but governour of all things Q. Wherefore did God create and make man and all things A. For his pleasure to serve obey him Q. In what likenesse did God make man A. In his owne Image Q. In what was man created the Image of God A. In Soveraignty and perpetuity Psal 8. 6. Gen. 9. 2 3. Math. 25. 46. Dan. 12. 2. Iohn 5. 29. Gen. 1. 31. Mark 7. 37. Tit. 1. 2. Gen. 〈◊〉 31. Mar. 7. 37. Q. In what estate did God create and make man and beast A. In an absolute perfect estate without any defect for the perfect God could not make any thing unperfectly Q. From whence did the Fishes Beasts and Birds receive their soules A. From the earth and waters from whence Gen 1. 20. 22. 24. Eccl. 3. 21. 12. 7. Rev. 16. 3. they received their bodies Q. Whither shall the soule of the fishes beasts and birds return when it dissolves A. To the earth and waters from whence Psal 104. 29. Eccl. 12. 7. 3. 12. Revel 16. 3. Psal 104 29. they came If it were not so they should goe to heaven as well as mens Q. When dyes the soules of the fishes beasts and birds A. Their soules and bodies dye together Q. From whence did man receive his body Gen. 9. 4. Levit. 17. 14. Gen. 3. 19. A. From the earth Q. Whither shal mans body go when it dissolves A. To the earth from whence it came Q. Shall mans body continue in the earth Iob 19. 25 26 27. 1 Cor. 15. 12 23. 1 Thes 4. 16 17. for ever A. No it shall rise againe at the judgement day Q. From whence did man receive his soule A. From the breath of the Almighty Genesis 2. 7. 1 Cor. 15. 43. Math. 10. 28. 1 Cor. 15. 45. Gen. 〈◊〉 7. Ma. th 25. 31 36. Q. What is mans soule A. An everlasting spirituall substance Q. What is the difference between the body Lu. 23. 43. 1 Cor. 15 51. Isay 40. 6 7 8. Mat. 25. 31 46. and the soule of man A. The body is mortall and subject to dye and the soule is immortall and can never dye Q. Whither shall the soule of man goe when it parteth from the body A. To heaven or hell at the departure 2 Tim. 4. 7 8. Lu. 33. 34. Math. 25. 46. 1 Cor. 15. Q. Doth the soule of man dye A. No it ever liveth in pleasure or paine Q. Whereunto was man created and made A. To be Lord of the Earth and all therein Gen. 9. 3 3. Ps●l 8 5 6 7 8. Q. Did man fall in his created estate A. No he neither did nor could in his perfect Gen. 2. 19 20 1. 31. Tit. 1. 2. creation for perfection cannot faile Q. What did the Lord for man after he created him A. Hee gave him Heaven with a covenanted Gen. 2. 15 16 17. Heb. 8. 6 7 Ro. 10. 5. Levi. 18. 5. Gal. 3. 1● condition of worke which hee would have performed For the man that doth the worke lives in the worke Q. Did man condiscend unto this Covenant which God made with him A. Hee went about the covenanted worke Gen. 3. 2 3. 17. 10. 23. Math. 21. 28 29 30 31. which proves agreement For if one speake and the other goes about the worke it proves consent Q. Did not the Lord force man to this Covenant A. By no other meanes then setting the reward Gen. 2. 9. 16. 17. Esay 2. 3. Psal 110. 3. 2 Cor. 9. 13. Gen. 2. 15 17. before him Q. What was the condition God made with man A. That he should doe what God required and forbeare the tree of knowledge of good and
sins are pardoned in his sufferings and are desirous and willing to performe the same Q. May a member of a Church omit partaking of Christi Supper being present A. Hee may lawfully his conscience being troubled 1 Co● 11. 27. 29 Q. VVil not the leaving members thus at liberty breed confusion A. That breeds no confusion which God hath 1 Co● 14. 33. appointed Q VVhat necessity is there that every Beleever Mat. 6. 33. Act. 20. 28. Lu. 22. 29 30. 1 Pres 2. 1● Mat. 1● 12 Heb. 13. 7. 17● Mat. 25. 1. 13. ought to bee a member of a particular Church of Christ A. Very great because Christ commands the same 2. For Christs commands without being a Mat. 18. 17. 20 1 Cor. 5. 4 12 member of a particular Church cannot be by any performed 3. None can orderly have baptisme and the 1 Cor. 11. 33. Deut. 12. 13. 14● 16. 2 5 6. Lords Supper except they be members of a true particular Church 4. It is a wofull estate to be out of Christs Ecc'es 4. 10. particular Church for if one fall he hath not a second to helpe him up 5. Christ hath allowed no other estate for his Rev. 1. 11. Gal. 1. Cor. 1 c. children wherein to continue in this lise 6. If any may live out of a particular Church estate then every one may and so Christs ordaining of particular Churches is made vaine and none need to continue them Q. What benefit is there by being a member of a particular Church of Christ A. Right to all Christs priviledges therein 1 Cor. 3. 21 22. Psal 133. 3. 87. 2. Gal. 6. 12. Ro. 15. 1. Mat. 18. 17. 20. 1 Cor. 5. 2 Cor. 7. 10. Ro. 1. 12. Gal. 2. 9. 2. Gods love more in that estate then in any other 3. Helpe of the Brethren in all sailings 4. Christs power of discipline in his Church to recall us from vice which else-where cannot be 5. Justification of the Brethren our conversation is holy and we in Gods favour Q. To what end must every one be a member of a particular Church of Christ A. That they may do his will and manifest Psalm 40. 7 8. Heb. 10. 9. that they rebell not in any thing against him 2. To keepe up that which Christ hath planted 1 Cor. 14. 12. 3. That Christs power may bee seene in his Psalm 40. 10. particular Churches 1 Cor. 14. 33. 2 The● 3. 6 7. 11. Psal 37. 23 Deut 12 13 14. 16. 2. 5 6. 1 Cor. 11. 33. Heb. 13. 7. Ezek. 33. 2. 4. That every one may walke in Gods order and not extravagantly 5. That they may rightly have the priviledges of all Christs Ordinances and approbation of his Church in receiving 6. That they may be watched over kept from danger and do their duty Q. VVhat must a Beleever doe to be received a member of a particular Church of Christ A. Live unblameably and make his publique Luke 9. 62. Psal 110. 3. 2 Cor. 9. 13. Acts 241. profession voluntarily that Christ is the Son of God his Redeemer and only by him to bee obeyed Q. VVhat must the Church of Christ doe to one that offers himselfe to be a member A. Instruct him that Christ and Anti-christ Iosh 24. 22 23. or Belial cannot both be served by him Q. What is the parties duty being instructed A. To make his voluntary answer to their Iosh 24. 24. instruction Q. What if his voluntary answer be not sufficient to discern him a Saint A. The Church must leave him with refusall Luke 9. 62. 18. ●2 Q. What must the Church doe to a member that hath committed evill and is obstinate A. Accuse him of his sin in the due order of Math. 18. 17. 20. Christs Gospell For love thinkes no evill before it see it 1 Cor. 13. 5. Q. May not the Church examine the offender and constraine him to accuse himselfe A. They may not for love cannot think evil 1 Cor. 13. 5. before it behold the same 2. If the Church may by examination constraine any to accuse themselves the oath Exoficio or Inquisition is no more Q. How must a member of a Church behave himselfe towards oxe excommunicated A. Respect him as a Heathen Q. May not a member of a Charch joyn with Math. 18. 17. 1 Cor. 5. one excommunicated in a divine personall act while he stands justly censured A. No for hee is not in order of fellowship Mat. 18. 15. 20. 1 Cor 5. 1 Tim. 6. 3. 6. with him but remains in his sin Q. May not one of a true church have personall communion with one that lives in visible sinne A. He may not but must separate in all worship 2 Cor. 6. 17. Isa 5. 11. 1 Tim 6. 5. Ier. 15. 19. 1 Cor. 5. 11. Mat. 18. 15. 18. from him Q. May not one complaine on an evill worshipper to the civill Magistrate for his evill worship to have him punished for it A. No for that were to raise persecution against Acts 19. 37. 40. 18. 12. 16. him Q. What is persecution A. Troubling honest peaceable people about Dan. 6. 5. 16. matters of the worship of their God Q. May not one then joyne with the Ministers of England in their Churches A. No for their best Church actions are unholy in Ministery Order Power and place Rev. 13. 2. 16. 13. 20. 2. 1. In Ministery theirs is from the Bishops the Bishops from the Pope in Masons book set forth Act. 6. 3. Ezek. 33. 2. Act. 14. 23. 1 Cor. 16. 3. Act. 1. 23. 26. by authority and the Pope from Sathan themselves affirme in their preaching commonly Whereas Christs Minister is from the Church he serveth in 2. In Order for the Church of England hath Deut 4. 2. 5 6. 1 Tim. 6. 3. 6. Deut. 5. 32. Rev. 22. 18 19. 10. 9 10. 1 Corin. 11. 2. 1 Chrō 15. 13. reading for prayer a false Article in their Faith blasphemy in the administration of the Lords Supper in that they acknowledge Arch-Angels when there is but one Arch-Angel Christ Jesus crossing kneeling c. Whereas Christs Church must read only Gods divine word and according to the same direction therein administer confesse and performe Jer. 1. 7 8. 2. 2 Tim. 3. 16 17. Gal. 3. 15. Psal 19. 7 8 9. Prov. 30. 5. prayer not adding to his order in any circumstance in the performance of his Ordinances 3. In power theirs is by a Commissaries Court or earthly authority in the new Church modell 1 Cor. 5. 4 5. 2 Cor. 2. 7 8 9 10. Mat. 18. 17. 20. Whereas Christs Church is onely by his owne Ecclesiasticall or divine power within the same 4. In place theirs are holy by their owne making and yet stand undemolished Whereas the Lord hath made all places holy aalike Math. 24. 2. Acts 17. 30.
9. 27. 1 Joh. 5. 16. ●rayed for Gods Children before con●rarie to Thirdly Untruths in that it holdeth forth that the Priests or Ministers have power to Mar. 2. 7. 8. 9. ●●●give sins in their Visitation of the sicke which ● contrary to Fourthly Blasphemy in that it acknowledg●●● Jud. 9. Jam. 4. 12. Mat. 23. 9 10 11. Luk 22 25. Arch-angels and doth attribute the ti●les of Primate Lord Grace and Reverend ●ather in God to wicked and ungodly men contrary to Fifthly Contradictions to Gods word in Rev. 13. 17. 149 10 15. 2 Col. 2. 20 21 22 23. Gal. 2. 4 5 1 10. Act. 17. 30. 1 Tim. 2. 8. Rev. 22. 17. ●say 55 1 2. that it addeth the Crosse to Baptisme kneeling to the Lords Supper holinesse to their Church high-places and purse-penalties for their offendors contrary to Q. May not the Directory-Booke be read and obeyed in the Church of Christ A. The Directory-Booke may not because Christ hath made a better wiser more antient and more infallible booke of direction 2 Tim. 3. 15. Rev. 22. 18. 19 Joh. 12. 48. Deut. 5. 32. for to direct his Church in his written word then that is by which all shall be judged at the last day 1. And they ●●● bring not the first and best Deut. 18. ● Mal. 1. 1 Cor. 12. 13. to the sacr●fice of God are accursed 2. There is no word of God to warrant the making of that Directory-Booke more then Jeroboham had for the making of Calves of 1 King 12. Gold which he set up in two high places one at Dan the other at Bethel to the confusion of himselfe and his posterity 2. This Directory-Booke is newly invented by men and hath Errour Untruth and Contradictions to the Canonicall Scriptures yea many directions in it that hath no word of Gods truth to hold forth the same First Newly invented by men in that the Exod. 2. 4. Rom. 1. 30. Amo● 6. ● Psal 99. 8. ●●● 106 29 39. Rev. 22. 1 Assembly of Presbyterian Divines as they ●all themselves made it 1644 contrary to these Scriptures Secondly Errours in that by Baptisme of Nehe. 9. 29. 2 Cor. 8. 5. Mat. 18. 20. water they make members of their Churches contrary to Thirdly Untruths in that by receiving the 1 Cor 11. 26. 30. 2 Cor. 13. 5. Heb. 8. 10. 11. Bread and VVine in the ordinance of the Lords Supper they say They receive Christ Jesus Christ contrary to VVhen the exceptable receivers have 1 Cor 11. 29. Heb. 11. 6. and ● 11. Christ before and those that have not receive their owne dam●ation Fourthly Contradictions to the Canonicall Scriptures in that they adde a Directory-Booke to Christs Booke of direction in Deut. 5. 32. Rev. 22. 18. 19 Eze. 43. 8. L●k 22. 19. Mat. 26. 2● 27 1 Joh. 3. 9. 5 16. Mat. 13. 31. 32 Church worship enjoyne all of every Parish by earthly power to come to their Assemblies command their Ministers in prayer to acknowledge they are worthy of the heaviest judgement inflicted upon the most rebellious sinners pag. 9. contrary to VVhen Christ will have none forced by earthly power to come to his Churches neither can his Children be culpable ' of tha● Psal 110. 3. Mat. 13. 25. 30 1 Joh. 5. 16. 3 6 9. Iude. heavie judgement of being guiltie of sinne against the holy Ghost which the most rebellious sinners are and the divell sinnes no deeper nor hath more judgement on him then that of the most rebellious sinners which is unpardonable past all repentance and all prayer Printed for the publike good of those that desire to know the truth and that desire the Lord Jesus Christ should raign alone Lord Law-giver and King in his Church