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A90063 Irenicum; or, An essay towards a brotherly peace & union, between those of the congregational and presbyterian way; shewing out of the most learned and renowned divines of the congregational way, that their positions concerning 1. Church matters and members. 2. Church constitution and form. 3. Church state. 4. Church officers and ordination. 5. Church government and censures. 6. Church combinations and synods. 7. Communion with and separation from churches. are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting peace between them and the Presbyterians ... In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy, where it was agreed, and declared, that such reforming churches as consist of persons sound in the faith, and of conversation becoming the Gospel, ought not to refuse the communion of each other ... Drawn up and published by Discipulus de Tempore Junior. Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; D. T. 1659 (1659) Wing N910; Thomason E978_1; ESTC R202985 58,516 89

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unkindness or some evil onely conceived or which might be tolerated and healed c. is sinful and unlawful See chap. 4. quest 5. answ 2. Therefore O that those who have rent themselves from us to gather themselves into distinct Churches would be wi●ling to behold the face of what they have done in and judge it by this friendly glass and repent of what they have done unlawfully and sinfully 6. Neither the hypocrisie of some members nor the toleration of open scandals nor want of some Ordinances is a sufficient ground for men to separate from the Church Therefore our brethren can alledge no sufficient ground for their separation on from the Churches whereof they were sometimes members 7. Faithfulness of brotherly love in Church relation requires that the members of the Church should first convince their brethren of their sinful defects and duely wait for their reformation before they depart from them For secondly By the hasty departure of sound members from a defective Church reformation is not promoted but many times retarded Chap. 4. answ to quest 7. Therefore let those who have separated themselves the Ministery and assemblies they did sometimes attend upon lay their hands upon their hearts and seriously as before the Lord consider whether they have thus endevored and waited for a reformation in the Congregation where their fixed abode is or whether they have not by their hasty departure or by other indirect means hindred the work of reformation as much as in them lies the Lord lay it not to their charge If for this they be not condemned by their own consciences I am sure they are by their friends and brethren 8. The Ordination of Ministers in England by the Bishops is adventitious and accidental to their calling See chap. 4. quest 7. answer to Object 4. Therefore their ordination by the Bishops doth not make their calling null and void nor is it necessary that they should renounce that call and put themselves upon a new call unless withall they change their station 9. The difference between Independents and Presbyterians is not so great but that it might be healed and there might a be an union if some distempers and carnal corrupt respects did not prevail above principles of judgement and love to peace and truth See chap. 4. answ to quest 8. 10 No just ground of separation from a Church unless you find in it blasphemy idolatry or persecution See chap. 4. quest 9. answ 3. Therefore none of these crimes being proved against the Churches of England they have done unjustly who have separated from them The Conclusion ANd now Brethren If I could with Jotham get up into some Mount Gerizim where I might be heard and not seen or at least where I might be extra jactum lapidum I would speak plainly to you and not as he in parables And I would numbly and as in the sight and fear of God desire you to give not me but the Christian world some conscientious and satisfactory reason of your departing and yet continuing so departed from the Churches into which you were baptized wherein you were converted which reverend Mr. Cotton is not ashamed to own saying We cannot we dare not deny to bless the wombe that bare us and the paps that gave us sucke Mr. Cotton lett print A. 1641. pag. 3. line 27. the most of you that are converted and whereof many of you were sometimes Minister yet now you have not onely made a Negative secession from them but a positive and have drawn and culled out of those Congregations whom yet you confess to be true Churches as many of the choicest members as you could and gathered them as you speak into Churches not onely distinct from but opposite to the Rest of the Churches and Congregations of the Nation I say opposite for verily if you lived among Papists or Jews you could scarce shew a greater opposition or abhorrence of their assemblies and worship than you do of these Some of you may be will hear some of their Ministers sometimes preach though others of you will not vouchsafe that so some of you have heard a Rabbi in a Jewish Synagogue you know this is no act of Church communion you know you hear them Equivocally not as Ministers of Christ but as gifted brethren But who of you will break bread in their Assemblies though the principal leaders of your way have given it under their hand see Pap. of accommodat first to the Parliament and since to the world that they could do it who of you will vouchsafe your presence at the administration of Baptism in their Churches let it be the infant of never so holy parents but make as much hast out of their Assemblies as John the Evangelist did out of the Bath when he heard Cerinthus was in it What is this but to lay all these Churches and all the Members of them at least under the sentence of non communion And for this practice I could never yet hear any thing alledged but what is here fully answered and refelled out of your own Authors 1. If you say Their Churches are no true Churches See cap 3. per totum 2. If you say these Churches they have not the matter of a true Church which is visible Saints Answ This hath been answered already First for the matter Master Cotton hath told you Chap. 1. quest 1. That the Churches of the New Testament consist of no other matter than the Churches of the old consisted of and what visible Saints they were the books of the Kings and Chronicles Isaiah Ieremiah and the rest of the Prophets tell you That unregeneracy unless it be accompanied with such fruits as are openly scandalous doth not keep any from Church fellowship Answ to quest 3. cap. 1. that federal holiness or holiness by separation admits to the ordinances cap. 1. quest 4. And that persons who received their membership in their infancy proving notoriously scandalous ought not to be continued in Church-membership yet if they be that separation must not presently be made is the judgement both of Master Hooker and the rest of the Elders of New England See this chap. 7. answ to quest 6. 3. If you say These Presbyterian Churches have not the right form and constitution that is expresse consent and covenant Answ Why this hath been answered for Master Hooker and Master Cotton and the rest of the Elders agree that the Congregations of England have that which doth as truely constitute them Churches as if they were constituted by covenant as appears cap. 2. answer to question 4. See more cap. 3. 4. If you say In these Presbyterian Churches the Officers Lord it over the inheritance of the Lord and rob and spoile the brethren of the power which Christ hath purchased for them and bequeathed to them Answ It is clear by what hath been spoken already that the brethren in the Congregational way have no more nor other power than what the brethren in
IRENICVM OR AN ESSAY Towards a Brotherly PEACE VNION Between those of the Congregational And Presbyterian Way Shewing out of the most Learned and Renowned Divines of the Congregational Way that their Positions Concerning 1. Church Matters and Members 2. Church Constitution and Form 3. Church State 4. Church Officers and Ordination 5. Church Government and Censures 6. Church Combinations and Synods 7. Communion with and Separation from Churches Are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting Peace between them and the Presbyterians Drawn up and published by Discipulus De Tempore Junior In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy where it was agreed and declared That such Reforming Churches as consist of Persons sound in the Faith and of Conversation becoming the Gospel ought not to refuse the communion of each other so far as may consist With their own principles respectively though they walk not in all things according to the same Rules of Church Order Canon 29. London Printed for Nathanael Webb and William-Grantham at the black Bear in Pauls Church-yard near the little North-door 1659. THE Preface BUt who would write Irenicums seeing they who attempt it reap usually no other fruit then he who running in between two men that are a fighting with an honest intent to part them and make them friends brings both their fists about his own ears or turns both their swords into his own bosome and maketh them both his enemies at least the prevailing party and he that thinks he hath the better of the cause will take it exceedingly ill as the Lutherans do Pareus his Irenicum which some of them call 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and the Scotch non Conformists the Irenicum of their Country man Forbes The consideration of this made the Collector of these Papers though often sollicited with thoughts of that he hath now attempted to lay them by till being a little awakened first with the report of some thing towards an accommodation of dissenting parties endeavoured and as they say effected in Cumberland and Westmerland and in other Counties and with an expectation of some thing that was agreed by the Congregational way in their meeting at the Savoy that might conduce to that end he judged it now seasonable to present these Papers to publike view that he might suum conferre symbolum If this may procure a right understanding and composing of the differences between brethren the Collector hath his desire and reward if it fail and miss that end yet he hopes his reward is with the Lord having this testimony in his own conscience that in singleness of heart he hath managed this cause not knowingly or willingly falsifyng and wresting the words of those reverend men whom he cites from which crime if his own protestation be not enough to clear him thou shalt by and by Reader have the deposition of two sufficient witnesses If thou wilt not believe them neither get the Books and trust thine own eyes If any say these authors elsewhere express themselves otherwise all that I answer is that my design and work was not to reconcile them to themselves but if I could to their Presbyterian Brethren which how far it is done read but read with understanding and without prejudice and then judge Thine in the Lord D. T. The Attestation WE have examined all the several Quotations here alledged by the Books out of which they were taken and finde them to be punctually and syllabically true and that there is no falsification nor violation of them and this we being persons no wayes interested in the controversies between the Presbyterian and Congregational Brethren nor engaged to either Party Testifie under our hands L. K. R. N. To the Judicious Reader AMongst the manifold divisions both in Church and State whereby England hath been and still is damnified and endangered the doleful differences betwixt Presbyterians and Independants are not the least nor least lamented by gracious hearts as in other respects so because the loud noise thereof both from the Pulpit and the Press doth cause their adversaries sinfully to rejoyce 2 Sam. 1.20 In this regard the Popish the prophane and Prelatical party do encourage their hopes that the good work of Covenanted Church-Reformation in England Scotland and Ireland will ere long wither and come to nothing True it is that as neither kingdom nor house so no other society divided against it self can stand Mark 3.24 25. for division maketh way for dissipation Gen. 49.7 Upon this account in pursuance of that Machivilian Maxim Divide impera the Jesuited Papist and the self-seeking Statist do vigorously endeavor to maintain and encrease our divisions in matters of Religion at this day errors and contentions which are like tares hindring the growth of grace amongst Christians Mat. 13.23 are sowed by the Divel their implacable enemy And it is an expression of great displeasure from the Lord when the evil spirit is sent or suffered so far to prevail upon them which should be one in mutual amity that they in passion deal treacherously one with another Judg. 9.23 As it cannot be denyed but that animosities causing sad separations may be found amongst good men For the contention between Paul and Barnabas was so sharpe that they departed asunder one from the other so experience amongst our selves confirmeth Act. 15.39 what Solomon long since asserted A brother offended is harder to win than a strong City and their contentions are like the bars of a Palace In the late Assembly of Divines called together by Authority of Parliament many hours yea days were run up in serious debates that the Presbyterians and their dissenting brethren might be reconciled in matters of Church discipline And since that time many books have been publish't by godly Ministers of both perswasions to drive on that good design but the end intended hath not hitherto been accomplisht Now the good hand of the Almighty the God of Peace hath stirred up the heart of a faithful and able Minister of the Gospel whose name would adde authority to this work though he see cause to conceal it in a new way to attempt a brotherly agreement His design is to stitch up our rents and to heal our breaches by discovering the concessions and positions of the chief Patrons of the Congregational way that in reference to Church constitution of members and officers and in reference to Church administrations by Classes and Synods there is not so great opposition betwixt the Presbyterians and them as the Independent Brethren here amongst us do pretend and publish And let the indifferent Reader who is not byassed with prejudice and partiality judge whether there be not much ingenuity with meeknesse of wisdom and solidity of judgement in the Narrative and inferences herein tendred without any unbrotherly reflections or bitter exasperations The whole Treatise both in regard of the matter and manner of managing it speaketh the Author to be a man of