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A29074 A vindication of the remarks on the Bishop of Derry's discourse about human inventions from what is objected against them in the admonition annext to the second edition of that discourse by the author of the remarks. Boyse, J. (Joseph), 1660-1728. 1695 (1695) Wing B4080; ESTC R1985 67,590 105

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