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A fruteful treatise of predestination, and of the deuyne prouidence of god as far forth as the holy scriptures and word of god shal lead vs, and an answer made to all the vain and blasphemous obiections that the epicures and Anabaptistes of our time canne make. Set forth dialoge wise, by Ihon Veron.; Fruteful treatise of predestination, and of the devyne providence of god.
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VĂ©ron, John, d. 1563.
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A FRVTEFVL treatise of Predestination and of the deuyne prouidence of god as far forth as the holy scriptures and word of god shal lead vs and an answer made to all the vain and blasphemous obiections that the Epicures and Anabaptistes of our time canne make ¶ Set forth Dialoge wise by Ihon Veron To the most Godlye vertuous and mighty Princesse Elizabeth by the grace of God Quene of England Fraunce and Irelande defendor of the faith and supreme gouernor of this realme aswell in causes Ecclesiastical as temporal her humble subiect Ihon Veron wysheth grace long life and encrease of honour from God the father through hys sonne Iesu Christe our Lord. SOm peradueÌter mooste myghtie princes wil meruail and wonder that I beyng but a pore straÌger dwellinge here wythin your graces dominion dare be so bold to dedicate any maner of booke vnto your maiestye beynge so seriously occupied in the waighty affayres of the common weale and also so earnestlye geuen that to the greate comforte of all youre louinge subiectes that heare of it to the study of deuine letters and diligent reading of the godlye and learned workes of the auncyente fathers of the primitiue churche But they shall I truste cease from meruailing when they shall both call to remembraunce thys saying of Paul there is neyther Iewe nor Grecian ther is nether bond nor free Gala. iii. there is nether man nor womanne For ye are all one in CHRIST IESUS and also when they shall sette before theyr eyes the exceadynge greate Clemency and Princelye goodnesse that your grace is most richly endued withall Whyche onlye at thys presente haue so comforted mee that puttinge all vaine feare a syde I dare nowe wyth all due submyssyon and subiecte lyke reuerence offer thys my rude laboure vnto youre soueraygne Maiestye not doubtinge but that youre Grace wyll accordynge to youre wonte and accustomed bountuousnesse accept this my good wil that I beare both to your person and also to the faithfull congregation of Gods people For whose sake I haue at thys time enterprised and taken in hand to wryte and setforthe thys small treatyse of Predestination and of the deuine prouidence of God to this end that I might enarm and fence the true churche of God againste the pestiferous sect of the fre wil men of oure time Why the free wyll men are enemies vnto the doctine of Predestination which are for non other cause enemies vnto the most comfortable doctrine of Predestination which is plainlye inough if men wil haue eyes to see setforth vnto vs in the infallible worde of God and sacred scriptures conteined in the canonicall bokes of the old and new Testament but because that they wyll haue part of our saluation to be attributed vnto oure selues to the merites of oure owne workes and not the hole glorye thereof to be geuen vnto Christ and vnto the merites only of his death passion and bloudshedding Suche hathe bene alwayes the subtyl and crafty wilynesse of that most ancient serpente who deceyued in times past oure fyrste Parentes Adam and Eue for to make vs before the deuine maiestye of God rancke sacriledges I mene traitors robbers of Gods glory For whatsoeuer of our saluation we doe adscribe eyther vnto our selues or vnto our owne merites and deseruyngs the same we do most sacrilegiously plucke take away froÌ the gratuite and mere mercye of god from the merits of the death passion bludsheding of his son Iesu christ our lord sauior I do here let passe that by thimpugnyng of this doctrin sathan the deuil goeth about as much as in him lieth to ouerthrow the infalliblenesse By what meanes we are certifed of oure election and certainty of our election wherof we be certified by the preaching of Gods word by thinward workyng of the holy ghoste and also by iustification which we do obtain frely by faith in the only begotten son of god For take away the right vnderstaÌding of the matter of predestination the assurance of our saluatioÌ which springeth of the fre electioÌ of god wherby we are chosen in Christ Iesu afore the fouÌdacions of the world wer laid is clean ouerthrowne Ephe. i. the whole doctrine of iustification by faith as builded vp on a sandy grounde is moste easy to be blowne downe by the daungerous blaste of the wicked temptation of the spirit of mistrust misbeleue or of wauering doubtfulnes I know most gracius princes that I shal haue many ennemies for wrytiÌg of this work but I wil desire theÌ all in the bowels of our sauioure Iesu Christ that they will vouchsafe to read the whole tretise through with patieÌce sobriety and iudgemeÌt and then I do not dout but that their aÌger will be pacified their mindes satisfied if at least thei be so reasonable that eyther the scriptures or the authorities of the ancient fathers can in any wise satisfy them And as for those ObiectioÌ that do obiect that this doctrin of predestinatioÌ doth hinder the preaching of gods word causeth that it caÌnot profit Aunswer August de bono perseuerantia cap. xiiii I wil answer them by s Augustine who wryteth on this manner As though this doctrin had hindred the Apostle s Paule to do his duetye who so often times did commend vnto vs and teache the doctrine of Predestination yet neuer ceased to preache the worde of god Againe As he that hath receiued the gift caÌ better exhort preache so he that hathe receiued the gyfte doth hear the preacher more obediently and with greater reuerence And a little after we do therfore exhort preache but they onli which haue eares to hear do hear vs quietly or obediently to theyr owne comforte and in those that haue them not thys sentence is fulfilled that hearing with their eares they do not hear for they hear wyth the seÌce of the body but not with the consent of the hart Now that some haue eares to hear some haue not it is because that it is geuen of the father to some of them to come vnto the sonne and to thother not geuen Rom. xi Who knewe the meaninge of God or who was a counsell with him What maÌ art thou that doste aunswer God Rom. ix Muste that be denyed whych is plaine because that can not be knowne whych is hidden and secreat And in a other place I pray you saith this holy father if som vnder the shadow of predestination Augu. de bono per se ca. xv geue them selues to slouthful negligence and as they are bent to flater their own flesh so followe their owne lustes must we therfore iudge that this which is wrytten of the foreknowledge of god is fals Now surely this is very hansome and to the purpose that we shal not speake that whiche by the scripture is lawful to speake But we feare wyll some say least he shuld be offeÌded which is not able to
vnderstande take it And shall we not in the meane season fear least while we holde our tonge he that is able to take the truth be taken snarde with falshode error Moreouer thus he doth wryte in the same self boke Sith the apostles doctors of the church Capi. xx which came after theÌ did the one the other both teaching purely sincerly the grace of god which without ani merits is geueÌ frelye vnto vs and also reteining or keping the faithful in godly obedience lyfe maÌners what moueth these our aduersaries being ouerthrowne with the manifest inuincible truth to think thei say wel affyrming that although this doctrine of predestinatioÌ be true yet it ought not to be preached vnto the people yea so much the rather it oughte to be throughly preched that he that hathe eares to heare may hear Mani other notable sayinges myght I aledge out of his boke which is intituled De bono perseuerantiae except I should feare to be ouer tedious vnto your maiesty The godlye warning of Saint August This onlye will I adde howe that thys holy ancient father doth warne vs of two thynges in teaching this doctrin of predestination The one is that we wade in it no farther theÌ the scripture worde of God doth lead vs. The other that we hide nothing froÌ the true church of god that is reueled vnto vs in the boke of God but faithfully set it forth to the edifying and comfort of gods people Whiche ii poyntes I trust I haue most diligently obserued as it shal apear vnto al theÌ that shal with iudgement with a single eie read ouer the hole boke markinge well the methode or order of teachinge that I haue vsed throughout the whole work Thus I make an end humbli beseching your most excelleÌt maiesty of your gracious and benygne goodnesse to accept this mi simple trauel waying rather the faithfulnes of my true hart toward your highnes then the smalnes of this my gifte that so it maye passe forth through your highnes name permissyon into the handes of your vnfained and faithfull subiects to the more full streÌgth in the knowledge of god and of his holy and deuine misteries and also to the more perfect assuraÌce of their saluation in Christ Iesu who of his tender merci and goodnes vouchsafe to defend and preserue your most gracious highnesse from al your ennemies and with his holy spirit so to fil strengthen and comfort your princely harte that ye may at al times boldly set forth his glory and maintain it vnto your liues end Whiche the Lorde longe continue to hys honor ¶ A frutefull treatise of predestination and of the deuine prouidence of God as farre fourth as the holy scriptures and word of God shall lead vs and an answere made to all the vaine and blasphemous obiections that the Epicures and Anabaptistes of our time can make ¶ Set forth Dialoge wise by Ihon Veron ¶ The names of the speakers Albion Eutrapelus Philalethes Dydimus ALBION I do geue God moste harty thankes that ye are come so sone this mornynge For I haue many hard and doubtfull questions to setforthe now vnto you which haue troubled my mynde very sore My minde was because that yesterday we did talk of praying for the dead where I dyd learne that all the good deedes and prayers that are done and made for them that was don in the huntinge of purgatory vnto death that be once departed and gon be nothing auaileable before God nor yet profitable vnto them that they be done made for to haue asked you whether we ought to pray vnto the dead or not and to call vpon them in our necessities and troubles For my gentle men did tell me that we oughte to praye vnto the deade sainctes as vnto the blessed Virgyne Mary the holy Apostles and martirs and that by them our prayers are the soner hard and accepted of God ours heauenly father But now wyl I differ that matter til an other time whâ⦠we shal haue more leasure and brinâ forthe the questions that haue troubled me so muche and specially seâ ye went away from me yester nygâ PHILALETHES We woulde bâ glad to know brother Albion what is that troubleth your minde so sore For ye shall vnderstande that we arâ here most ready to helpe and ease yoâ of your trouble if it can be possibâ by any meane But wer it not best to pray fyrst vnto hym that sayeth Come vnto me all ye that laboure and are laden and I wil ease you Math. xi EVTR APELVS your counsayle is very good And therfore I do not doubt but that our brother Albion and our neyghbour Dydimus wyl agree vnto it DYDIMVS Hys counsell in this as in al other things is so good and godly that whosoeuer would not folow it I would compte hym worse thaÌ a Sarazin or a Turke ALBION Syth then brother Philalethes that we be also godly agreed begynne when ye shall thinke best PHILALETHES O almighty and most merciful lord The praier in whom all treasures of heauenly wisedome godly knowledge are hydden vouchafe we âeseche the to open oure mindes to illuminate oure hartes that vnderstanding the mysteries conteined in thy holy word we may be able at al times to stop the mouthes of that vngodly blasphemers of thy diuine and heauenly ordenauÌces graunt this o most bouÌtuous merciful lord for the glory of thy name sake ALBION So be it Nowe wyll I declare vnto you what it is that my conscieÌce is so sore encombred withal When I do consider wyth my selfe how that the couenaunt of life word of saluation is not preached vnto all natioÌs and peoples in like and again wher it is preached that skarcelye the tenth part of them that it is offred vnto do embrace and receiue it I am eueÌ at my wittes ende and canne not tell what I shuld say to it For it is wrytten i. Tim. ii that God will haue all men to be saued and to come to the knowledge of hys truthe If he will haue all men to be saued and to come to the knowledge of his truth whye dothe he not sende his Prophets and messengers vnto all menne in like We read that the sprite of God did forbid Paul and Silas to preach the word in Asia Act. xvi and that when they sought to go into Bithynia he wold in no wise suffer theÌ Again where they were appoynted to preach it is a wonder and a meruailâ to see how fewe dyd receaue the gospel or glad tidinges of saluation iâ comparison of those that dyd reiecte contemne and despise it I haue heard you say and I know that it is wrytten in the gospel of our sauiour Iesu Christ Iohn vi that none come vnto the truth except our heauenly father doth draw them WheÌ he him self did make that most wholesome and comfortable sermon of the spiritual