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A94222	Reasons shewing that there is no need of such a reformation of the publique 1. Doctrine. 2. Worship. 3. Rites & ceremonies. 4. Church-government. 5. Discipline. As it is pretended by reasons offered to the serious consideration of this present Parliament, by divers ministers of sundry counties in England. By H.S. D.D. Chaplain to his Majestie in ordinary.	H. S. (Henry Savage), 1604?-1672.	1660 (1660)	Wing S762; Thomason E1043_7; ESTC R202300	19,132	32

Tribe of Judah and therefore before this time all did not know so much nor could every man fish so much afterwards out of so mysterious a prophecy The third is That the Homilies call the Apocrypha the teaching of the Holy Ghost Answ. 1. That the book of Homilies speaks according to the common Language of those times which so spake of them because they were reckoned in the Canon not of Faith but of Manners 2. They themselves confesse the things there quoted to be true in a charitable construction omnis veritas à spiritu sancto est The 4th Exception is That the Articles contain no discovery of Popish doctrines being the first tenets of Arminius c. Answ. That the Doctrine of Arminius is not the Doctrine of Popery the Articles condemn both and therefore are no breasts at which Popery and Arminianisme may be suckt in as is pretended The 5th Exception is That all things necessary to salvation are not comprised in the Articles Whereunto I answer that the same Exception may lye against the confessions of any Reformed Church but these that are suffice to shew their Harmony with those of other Churches and what is wanting in the Articles is made out in the rest of the Catechisme Hereunto may be added their exception of not enumerating the Books of the New Testament as well as those of the old Answ. That the Canonicall books of the Old Testament are enumerated to distinguish them from the Apocryphal but in the N. T. there being no Apocryphals there needed no enumeration And if Popery may be grounded upon the Articles as is pretended they need not fear any tacite rejection of St. James his Epistle or calling of it stamineam Epistolam as Luther does nor yet of the 2d of Peter in as much as the compilers of the Articles are adversaries to those that are {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} 2 Ep. 2. 10. nor of the Revelation neither in as much as the seven Angels of the 7. Churches are taken to be a cleer proof of Episcopacy The 6th Exception is That the Articles are not proved by places of Scripture Answ. They are known to be sufficiently proved by others and therefore they might have done so too bnt had they done it cavils would not have been wanting against the proofs themselves where none could be found against the things II. For WORSHIP THe maine exception is That it doth not appear by any enrollment or otherwise that this is the book of Common Prayer Answ. That if this be not the book I pray produce another If you do it will be one which in your own judgement will be lesse Orthodox But it seems by what follows that you are displeased with any alterations though for the better Your designe appears to be not a reducing so much as a new moulding of the whole a thing which I must confess I like not of lest we should seem thereby rather to set up a new Religion then reform the old between Reformation and Innovation there 's a great deal of odds Of Alterations c. in the present Book of Common-prayer from that established in 5. 6. Edw. 6. 1 Eliz. 1. Exception is against Saints dayes put into the Kalender which though in Black letters there yet in Dr. Cosens Kalender and the Scotish Liturgie some of them are in red Answ. For our Kalender or the Scotish what ever characters the dayes are put in they are not enacted to be kept holy And as for Dr. Cosens his Kalender that 's intended for private offices not for publique devotion What ever he hath done concerning the name of Jesus I cannot think that so great an assertor of the Protestant Religion as he hath proved himself to be should intend Popery or Superstition The thing it selfe infers it not there being no name JESVS in writing tendered to be adored which was the onely thing that Calvin complains the Sorbonick Sophisters to have been guilty of 2. Exception is That upon certain Holidayes some Chapters of Apocryphal Scripture are appointed to be read the Canonical being left out there Answ. Whether it was done to please those that hold the dayes to be Apocryphal I cannot tell If so they need not be displeased at it However those Canonicall Lessons are not left out of the Rubrick for daily reading 3d Exception is That the book established 5. 6. Ed. 6. nameth onely the Surplice to be worn but the book of Canons enjoyneth other ornaments Answ. That nothing but the Surplice could be universally enjoyned inasmuch as all Priests were capable of that but want of degrees made many incapable of others 4th Exception is against even usefull prayers put into the Liturgy which happily might be done upon the Conference at Hampton-Court though the inquiry to me is needless as long as I see the Kings Proclamation to it 5th Exception is That in the prayer for the Queen c. the word Elect is left out perhaps because it distasted the favourers of the Popish Arminianisme Answ. That neither the Arminians nor Papists are against the word Elect and that in a more comprehensive sense then ours 'T is not they therefore that would exclude the Royall stem out of the number of Gods Elect but such as fought for the setting up of Christs Kingdome and of his Elect against such Reprobates as they esteemed the KING and all his family to be 6. Exception is against the continuance of the Old Translation of the Psalms which is not so correct as the new Answ. That it proves the antiquity of the Translation no wilfull corruption of the same neither doth it contain any thing contrary to the analogy of Faith 7. Exception is That notwithstanding the corruption of Translations the Preface of the book runs thus That nothing is enjoyned to be read but that which is the pure word of God or that which is evidently grounded thereupon which is false and a meer cheat put upon the people of God Answ. That the Preface of the Book runs that nothing be enjoyned to be read but that which is the pure Word of God or that which is evidently grounded thereupon in opposition to uncertain stories legends and such like vain and superstitious things neither in Canone fidei nor morum which have no ground in the word of God yet had been before that time commonly read And albeit some things now to be read are not evidently to all grounded upon the word of God it follows not that the people of God are cheated thereby for then St. Paul had cheated the Thessalonians Acts 17. 11. To whom before search made his Doctrine did not appear to be the Word of God Nay then most Sermons are cheats in as much as there be very few wherein every thing delivered is clearly made out to be grounded upon the Word of God The same may be said of prayers before and after them wherein horrible absurdities and heterodoxies have fallen from the mouths

interruption reading forward again like the interposition of a Selah or {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} things wherof we have examples in the Psalms but no where else 4th Exception is against Te Deum and Benedicite because they are both Apocrypha and taken out of the Masse-book from whence they would argue the unfitness of Bishops to govern who not able to express their thanksgiving to God for extraordinary mercies do it in this superstitions formall dress usually sung in Popish Churches I answ. That the best service that any man performs besides the saying of the Lords Prayer and the reading of the holy Scripture is Apocryphall nor is there a better piece of service in the Church of God except before excepted then that piece of Apocrypha viz. Te Deum is Then which had the mass-Masse-book no worse it would need no Reformation And many of those that have gone about to make expressions of thanksgiving for Gods extraordinary mercies in termes and methods of their own have performed it so ill that they had better have contented themselves with a bare Te Deum If they say It 's but a generall and ordinary forme of praising not applicable to the occasion I answer That at such times we in like manner use to sing Psalmes in meter which quatenus such are Apocryphal and generall formes or at most not in all things applicable to the present occasion As for the Benedicite they except not so much against the matter of as the title given to it in the Bible not here as also against some alterations made in it none whereof are against the Analogy of Faith I therefore passe it over for it answers it self 5th Exception is That the many Antiphonies and Responds except the peoples saying Amen have no pattern nor warrant in the Word Answ. That they have a pattern 1 Sam. 18. 7. where it is said that the women answered c. that is sayes Junius Hunc amaebaeum versum alternis canebant they sang interchangeably Saul hath slain his thousand and David hs ten thonsand as it is also Exod. 15. 2. Besides divers patterns that there are in the Psalmes of such interchangeable singing 6th Exception is that from the tyranny of the Bishop of Rome and all his detestable enormities is left out in the Letany inasmuch as he had never more instruments at work then now Answ. That the Act for Uniformity gives notice of an alteration in the Letany but whether herein or no is uncertain Mean time we may very well pray so since the Pope had never more instruments who thinking to do their own work have done his 8. Exception for I omit the seventh here as answered before is that it 's said in the Collect for Christmas that Christ was this day viz. Decemb. 25. borne c. which is evidently grounded on no place of Scripture Answ. On what place of Scripture is it evidently grounded that this day viz. August 19. is the Lords day have you any more then Ecclesiastical tradition for it as for saying the same seven dayes after this hath been spoken to before 9. Exception is against our saying at the Communion Therefore with Angels and Archangels c. the Scripture never speaking of more Archangels then one which is mentioned 1 Thes. 4. 16. This one was Michael Jude 9. to wit Christ the Prince of his people Dan. 10. 21. Which most if not all expound of Christ For answer whereunto I say That that place of 1 Thess. 4. 16. does neither imply that there is but that one Archangel nor yet that that one Archangel is Christ For 1. It is said that the Lord shal descend from heaven {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in the voice ef an Arch-angel not {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} In the voyce of the Arch-angell as if there were no more but that 2. If the Lord shall descend in the voice of an Arch-angel and this Arch-angel were Christ then Christ who is meant by Lord there must descend in his own voice and he must be Gods Trumpeter to give summons to his own Tribunal which cannnt be imagined Indeed Jude 9. there is mention made of Michael {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} the Arch-angel disputing with the Devill but how by that Christ should be understood is not at all clear as I suppose they themselves will confesse if they consider the {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} in the Text he durst not Sure if it had been Christ St. Jude would have said he would not not he durst not for what durst not Christ say or do Dares not he rebuke his creatures though Devils who hath rebuked so many unclean spirits in his time who trembled at his presence in humane flesh the meaning is then that Michael that good Arch-angel and he of a great sphere too would not rail at the Devill though he knew him to be a damned spirit because he was in great dignity amongst them yet those men spake evill of dignities they understood not And for that Dan. 10. they say most if not all expound it of Christ That if not all was well put in for they know I believe that many learned men understand it not of Christ Now as for the Ecclesiastical Hierarchy of Dyonisius the Areopagite though the book may be supposititious yet the thing it self Gregory the great testifies to be received for Dyonisius his own Hom. 34. in Evangelia 10. Exception is that in the second prayer at publique baptisme we pray that Iufants coming to baptisme may receive remission of sins by spirituall regèneration how can this say they be when remission of sins is received not by or from spirituall regeneration but by and from the blood of Christ I answer That the end of Baptisme is that thereby as an outward means we may receive remission of sins this baptisme whereby we are baptized into the remission of sins is likewise rightly called an outward and Elementary regeneration Now therefore we pray to God that Infants coming to baptisme may receive remission of sinnes not in an Elementary way and signo tenus onely but also truly and effectually by spirituall regeneration or spirituall baptisme these being the Conduit-pipes whereby and through which Christs blood is conveyed unto Infants 11. Exception is That children being not able to perform the things promised for them are said to perform them by their sureties and therefore they repent and believe say they by their Sureties which is a meer tale Answ. That here is no such thing implyed as repenting and believing one for another but a promise of a holding of the Infants baptized to that profession by instruction of and vigilance over them and that they shall perform all outward acts of Christianity when they come of age and this was a very great charge in the primitive times when either for fear or favour or profit Apostacy was so frequent 12. Exception is against the