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A53438 A letter from His Grace James, Duke of Ormond, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland in answer to the Right Honourable Arthur, Earl of Anglesey, Lord Privy-Seal, his observations and reflections upon the Earl of Castlehaven's Memoires concerning the rebellion of Ireland : printed from the original, with an answer to it by the Right Honourable the Earl of Anglesey. Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688.; Anglesey, Arthur Annesley, Earl of, 1614-1686. Letter from the Right Honourable Arthur, Earl of Anglesey, Lord Privy-Seal, in answer to His Grace the Duke of Ormond's letter of November the 12th, 1681. 1682 (1682) Wing O449; ESTC R41464 4,997 12

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I could be the Author of that Discourse I cannot admit though they import a fair Opinion of me and that in the beginning of your Letter your Grace had better thoughts than when your Hand was in and heated I do therefore absolutely deny that I affirm any Matters of Fact positively in that Book which are easily or authentically or at all to be disproved Or that from those Matters of Fact grosly mistaken it deduces Consequences raises Inferences and scatters Glances injurious to the memory of the Dead and the Honour of some living among which your Grace finds your self worst treated This being so your Graces unjust Inferences from the time of its Writing and the misjudging the design of the Author give no countenance or occasion to your Graces Rhetorical Character of the Times though I joyn in all but the Opinion your Grace seems to have taken up that there is a Plot other than that of the Papists to destroy the Crown and Church a Discovery worthy the making if your Grace knows and believes what you Write but how I am concerned to have it mentioned to me I know not your Grace can best tell what you intend to insinuate thereby These are your Graces Reasons why you were not willing to believe that Book to be of my Composing yet you cannot leave me without a sting in your expressing the hopes which succeeded them viz. That some of the Suborned Libellers of the Age had endeavoured to imitate me and not I them Whether I should imitate Suborned Libellers or they me would be all one for my Reputation because I were grosly Criminal in the first and must have been so before in your Graces Opinion or they could not imitate me in the second Your Grace will want Instances in both except this of your own making and therefore there must be some other reason why your Grace did not believe if really you did not that Discourse to be of my composure But this admitted for truth as it is undoubtedly your Grace in the next place calls the World to judge whether Pen Ink and Paper are not dangerous Tools in my Hands I remember the Times when they were serviceable to the Kings Restoration and constant Service of the Crown or craved in aid by your Grace that you did not account them so and it is much to my safety that they are not so in your Graces Hands though I find them as sharp there as in any mans alive Your Grace being at length assured I was the Author your next care was to spend some thoughts to vindicate Truth the late King your self your Actions and Family all reflected upon and traduced as your Grace is pleased to fancy by that Pamphlet But your Grace had no cause to trouble your thoughts with such Vindications unless you could shew where in that Book they are reflected upon and traduced no such thing occurring to me upon the strictest revisal nor ever shall be objected to me with Justice and Truth After your Grace hath brought it to the Coffee-Houses where I believe it never was till your Grace prefered it to that Office and where you have doomed it to expire as Writings of that Nature and force use you say to do for which I shall not be at all concerned you rested without troubling your self or any body else with Animadversions upon my mistakes which your Grace is pleased to say are so many and so obvious though you name none nor do they occur to others that you wonder how I could fall into them If your Grace believe your self in this you seem to have forgot the long time you spent in considering and animadverting upon that despicable Pamphlet with your Labours whereon I was threatned by some of your Graces Relations for many Months and your Grace hath redeemed the delay by the virulent general Reflections you have now sent me which yet I doubt not will evaporate or shrink to nothing when your Grace shall seek for Instances to back them whereof if you can find any I claim in Justice they may be sent me Your Grace adds That you have been in expectation that by this time my compleat History would have come forth wherein if you may judge by the pattern your Grace saith you have just cause to suspect that neither the Subject nor your self will be more justly dealt with than in that occasional Essay and therefore offer me all the helps of Authentick Commissions Transactions and Papers your Grace is possessed of whereof you inform me none hath more This is an anticipating Jealousie which no man living can have ground for and when my History shall be compleated which is now delayed for those Assistances your Grace is so well able and so freely offers to afford me though my weakness may be exposed my Integrity and Impartiality shall appear and your unjust suspicion will I doubt not cease if Truth may be welcome to you and not accounted one of the dangerous Instruments in my Hand by which having incurred your Anger and Enmity in the first Essay I have slender hopes to be more acceptable in the second though I resolve to hold to the first approved Law of a good and faithful Historian which is That he should not dare to say any thing that is false and that he dare not but say any thing that is true that there be not so much as suspicion of favour or hatred in his Writing And this might give a Supersedeas to your Graces unseasonable Appeal before a Gravamen though I never intended by relating the truth of things past to become a Judge of your Graces or any other mans actions but barely Res gestas Narrare for the information correction and instruction of this Age and Posterity Your Grace desiring to know to what particular parts of my History I would have Information I shall at present only mention these The Intrigues of the Cessation and Commissions for them and the two Peaces of 1646. and 1648. forced upon the King by the Rebellious Irish The grounds and transactions about depriving Sir William Parsons from being one of the Lords Justices and then dismissing him Sir Adam Loftus Vice-Treasurer Sir John Temple Master of the Rolls Sir Robert Meredith Chancellor of the Exchequer c. from the Council-Table The Mystery of Glamorgan's Peace and his Punishment The several ungrateful Expulsions of your Grace by the Confederate Roman Catholicks The passages concerning the Parliaments Present of a Jewel to your Grace The Battles Reliefs Seiges and Chief Encounters in your Graces time The Proceedings between your Grace and the Roman Catholick Assembly of the Clergy in 1666. with the Commission for their Sitting The Plot for surprizing the Castle of Dublin in which Warren and others were with the Examinations and what Offenders were Executed c. And any thing else your Grace judgeth of import to have conveyed to Posterity Other parts of the History shall be proposed to your Grace in my Progress and before I put my last Hand to it with a resolution that though I may have been sometimes mistaken in Judgment yet as I never did promote the report of a Matter of Fact which I knew to be false so I never would Which I am induced the rather to mention because your Grace saith you had rather help to prevent than to detect Errors My Lord Your Graces most humble Servant ANGLESEY
A LETTER From His GRACE JAMES DUKE OF ORMOND Lord Lieutenant of Ireland In Answer to the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY Lord Privy-Seal HIS OBSERVATIONS and REFLECTIONS Upon the EARL of Castlehaven's Memoires Concerning the REBELLION of IRELAND Printed from the Original with an Answer to it by the Right Honourable the Earl of Anglesey LONDON Printed for N. P. MDCLXXXII A LETTER From His GRACE JAMES DUKE OF ORMOND c. My Lord IT is now I think more than a year since I first saw a little BOOK written by way of Letter called Observations and Reflections on my Lord of Castle-Haven 's Memoires Wherein though there are some things that might lead the Reader to believe that your Lordship was the AUTHOR yet there were many more I thought impossible should come from you For it affirms many Matters of Fact positively which are easily and authentically to be disproved And from those Matters of Fact grosly mistaken it deduces Consequences raises Inferences and scatters Glances injurious to the memory of the Dead and the Honours of some Living Among those that by the Blessing of God are yet living I find my self worst Treated Twenty years after the Kings Restauration and Forty after the beginning of the Irish Rebellion as if it had been all that while reserved for me and for such Times as these we are fallen into when Calumny though the Matter of it be never so groundless and improbable meets with Credulity and when Liberty is taken to asperse Men and Represent them to the World under the monstrous and odious Figures of Papists or Popishly affected Not because they are so thought by those that employ the Representers but because they are known to be too good Protestants and too Loyal Subjects to joyn in the Destruction of the Crown and Church Besides the Treatise came forth and must have been written when I had but newly received Repeated Assurances of the continuance of your Friendship to me wherein as in one of your Letters you are pleased to say you had never made a false step for these Reasons I was not willing to believe that Book to be your Lordships Composing and hoped some of the Suborned Libellers of the Age had endeavoured to Imitate your Lordship and not you them but I was in a while after first by my Son Arran and afterwards by the Bearer Sir Robert Reading assured your Lordship had owned to them that the Piece was yours but profest the Publication to be without your Order and that you did not intend to do or think that you had done me any injury or prejudice If your Lordship really thought so the Publication might have been owned as well as what was Published But then let the World Judge whether Pen Ink and Paper are not dangerous Tools in your Hands When I was thus assured your Lordship was the Author it cost me some thoughts how to vindicate Truth my Master the late King my self my Actions and Family all Reflected on and traduced by that Pamphlet I found my self ingaged in the Service of our present King and that in a Time of difficulty and danger and in such Times for the most part it has been my lot to be Employed in Publick Affairs and though I had not been so taken up yet I well knew that Writing upon such Occasions is no more my Talent than it is my Delight And to say truth my indisposition to the exercise might help to perswade me that the Book though honoured with your Lordships Name would after it had performed its Office in Coffee-Houses and served your Lordships Design in that Conjuncture expire as Writings of that nature and force usually do And herein I rested without troubling my self or any body else with Animadversions upon your Lordships mistakes which are so many and so obvious that I wonder how you could fall into them I will add to this that I have been in expectation that by this time your Compleat History would have come forth wherein if I may judge by the Pattern I have just cause to suspect that neither the Subject or my self will be more justly dealt with than in that occasional Essay and I would have been glad to have seen all my Work before me in case I should think fit to make a Work of it The delay of your Publishing that History and the consideration of your Lordships Age and mine are the occasions of this Letter whereby I inform you that as no man now alive is better able than I am to give an account of the Principal Transactions during the Rebellion in Ireland so no man is possessed of more Authentick Commissions Instruments and Papers all which or Transcripts of them you might have Commanded before you set forth your Reflections But possibly to have stayed for them might have lost you a seasonable opportunity of Publishing your abhorrence of the Irish Rebellion and your Zeal against Popery What your Lordship might then have had you may yet have because I had rather help to prevent than detect Errours but then I must first know to what particular part of your History you desire Information and how you deliver those parts to the World and to Posterity If after this Offer your Lordship shall proceed to the Conclusion and Publication of your History and not accept of it I must before-hand Appeal from you as from an Incompetent Judge of my Actions and a partially engaged and an unfaithful Historian My Lord Your Lordships most Humble Servant ORMOND Dublin 12. Nov. 1681. A LETTER From the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY Lord Privy-Seal In Answer to his GRACE the DUKE of ORMOND'S Letter of November the 12 th 1681. About his Lordships Observations and Reflections upon the EARL of Castle-Haven's Memoires concerning the Rebellion of Ireland LONDON Printed for N. P. 1682. A LETTER From the Right Honourable ARTHUR EARL OF ANGLESEY c. My Lord YOUR Graces of the 12 th of November I received towards the end of that Month and was not a little surprized after being threatned above a year with your Graces Answer to the Observations and Restections on my Lord Castle-Haven 's Memoires which your Grace takes notice you had seen above a year before to find them only most Satyrically burlesqued and my intentions in the Writing of them most unnaturally misinterpreted and misjudged without giving instance of any one particular which could so much transport your Grace or interest you to judge of a Letter of mine to another with so invective heat and mistake Your Graces Letter therefore consisting only of Generals I can no otherwise adapt my Answer after a most serious revision of my Book upon this Occasion but by giving the reverse of your Graces strain'd and erronious Affirmatives by my plain and true Negatives till your Grace shall administer occasion by Communicating the particular Animadversions your Grace hath been as I hear so long about The Reasons leading your Grace to believe it impossible