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A90729 A full ansvver to a printed paper, entituled, Foure serious questions concerning excommunication, and suspension from the sacrament, &c. Wherein the severall arguments and texts of scripture produced, are particularly and distinctly discussed: and the debarring of ignorant and scandalous persons from the sacrament vindicated. Palmer, Herbert, 1601-1647. 1645 (1645) Wing P233; Thomason E302_1; ESTC R200273 24,895 32

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must needs imply that those who are to judge those that are within 1 Cor. 5.12 ought to keep such away from adding sinne to sinne and mischiefe to mischiefe Therefore your subordinare Question Whether a Minister by admonition and dehortation hath not discharged his full duty and conscience is soone answered In a Doctrinall way as a Preacher to him he hath but not as he is one to whom with the rest of the Eldership the Rule and Care of the Church of God is committed 1 Tim. 3. 1 Tim. 5.17 unlesse he have what in him lies judged according to proose and censured a scandalous Offender and so kept him from the Sacrament which I take it S. Paul threatens to doe to such Impenitents as he should finde when he next came to Corinth 2 Cor. 12. and Chap. 13. And your cited Text of 1 Cor. 11. saith nothing to the contrary For Ezek. 33. and Acts 20. they are spoken only of the Duty of Preaching that a Prophet or Preacher in reference to that duty hath delivered his soule when he hath given warning But so farre as he hath a further power he is not quit if he use it not Witnesse Elyrs sinne and judgement who yet gave his sonnes as grave and serious a warning as could be 1 Sam. 2. but because being a Judge he restrained them not by censures sutable to their scandals God charged guilt heavily upon him and all his Family But I wonder much I say not quâ fide but quâ curâ you say the Lyturgies of our owne and the French Churches in their Exhortations before the Sacrament both intimate and resolve what you affirme that a Minister hath discharged his full duty and conscience by admonition and dehortation When first you know that in expresse words in the Rubrick before the Sacrament in our late Book of Common prayer the Curate a single Minister is expresly charged not to admit an obstinate uncharitable person And secondly all the world knowes or may know that the Discipline of the French Churches charges Ministers with the rest of the Eldership to suspend all scandalous persons from the Sacrament when proved so before them And accordingly they doe so in all the Reformed Churches in France and all others of that Nation in Holland or elsewhere And so have done in England over since K. Edward the sixth time except in Q. Maries by the allowance of our Princes As for the Exhortations before the Sacrament they serve to warne those whose sinnes are secret and not proved and not to stand for all Discipline toward those that are notoriously scandalous I adde if it were meant to be the only barre of open scandals it would be ridiculous to such as knew themselves to be such and knew that others knew it also to say If any of you be a Blasphemer or an Adulterer c. bewaile your sinnes and come not to this holy Table c. as it was in our Lyturgy Or much more to say I excommunicate such and such as in the French Liturgy and yet I see them and know them and so doth all the Congregation and let them communicate notwithstanding The very Pagans were never so carelesse of their Sacra as to let those they counted prophane to partake in them If Christians should will not they rise up in judgement against us Your third Question is Whether unprofitable and unworthy hearing of the Word be not as great as dangerous as damning a sinne as the unworthy Receiving of the Sacrament Whereunto you adde diverse Texts Mat. 10.14.15 Mark 16.15 16. Luk. 8.18 Heb. 2.1 2 3. and 3.7 8 12. and 6.6 7 8. and after two subordinate Questions in the same Paragraph I answer to them all First to your maine Question I say That every single Act of unprofitable and unworthy hearing of the Word is not so great so dangerous so damning a sinne as unworthy Receiving the Sacrament Because 1. those sinnes are greatest upon which the Spirit of God puts the greatest weight But the Spirit of God puts no where such weight upon a single Act of unprofitable hearing For all your Texts every one of them speak only of habituall and customary and some of them only of finall unprofitable hearing But 1 Cor. 11 27 29. speaks of every single act of Receiving the Lords Supper unworthily 2. Againe whoever receives the Sacrament unworthily hath first received the Word unworthily and that it may be not once but many times and so hath added a further sinne to it But a man may receive the Word unworthily who receives not the Sacrament at all and so sins but a single sin whereas the unworthy Receiver of the Sacrament sins certainly double 3. Moreover the matter preached oftentimes is but a Particular of lesser consequence and so the sin lesse to receive it unworthily But the matter of the Sacrament is the highest of all Christianity and therefore the sin is the greater to receive it unworthily 4. Further suppose the Sermon was of the Grace of Christ and the benefit of his Body and Blood yet is it a greater fin to receive the Sacrament unworthily because in that is a further manifestation of Gods love and Christs Grace a seale to the Word Therefore to despise it and receive it unworthily is a further manifestation of obstinate impenitency unbeliefe and sleighting the Grace of Christ and the Love of God 5 Once more The Receiver of the Sacrament doth more solemnly pretend faith in Christ and owning him as his Lord then the hearer of the Word he seales outwardly to God and Christ as well as receives outward seales which the Hearer doth not by the act of his hearing for a Heathen may come in to heare 1 Cor. 14. Therefore he sins a greater more dangerous more damning sinne then any man that this or that time receives the Word unprofitably and unworthily Next if you would compare a customary unworthy hearing with a single act of unworthy Receiving and ask whether it bee not as great a sinne c. To this I shall answer by considering your two subordinate Questions which are 1 Whether Ministers upon some pretence may not as well keep the people from preaching and refuse to preach to them c And 2 What substantiall difference they can produce warranted by Scripture why they may not deny the Word as well as the Sacrament I answer First there is an expresse charge to preach the Gospell to every creature that is even to Pagans and Infidels while remayning such you will not say there is the like for giving the Sacrament while such Secondly there is a like Charge of instructing in meeknesse those that oppose themselves which will hold I beleeve even to professed Christians for they are but too often opposers and you will not say but such must still be instructed if at any time God will give them repentance c. But there is no such charge to administer the Sacrament to opposers or impenitents 3 That which