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A11213 The poore vicars plea Declaring, that a competencie of meanes is due to them out of the tithes of their seuerall parishes, notwithstanding the impropriations. Written by Thomas Ryves Dr. of the Ciuile Lawes. Ryves, Thomas, Sir, 1583?-1652. 1620 (1620) STC 21478; ESTC S116301 50,156 162

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reason_n of_o his_o decree_n above_o mention_v nolentes_fw-la autem_fw-la prelatorum_fw-la d._n c._n sicut_fw-la de_fw-fr supple_a neglige_v prelatorum_fw-la ut_fw-la status_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la antiquus_fw-la &_o debitus_fw-la per_fw-la insolentiam_fw-la alicuius_fw-la subvertatur_fw-la mandamus_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o innocentius_n give_v this_o as_o a_o lesson_n episcopus_fw-la nunquam_fw-la debet_fw-la consentire_fw-la praebend_n innoce_fw-la ad_fw-la d_o c._o de_fw-fr monachis_fw-la extra_fw-la de_fw-la praebend_n quod_fw-la red●tus_fw-la soliti_fw-la clericorum_fw-la minorentur_fw-la &_o nisi_fw-la ita_fw-la provideatur_fw-la quod_fw-la hospitalitatem_fw-la seruare_fw-la possint_fw-la &_o de_fw-fr iuribus_fw-la episcepalibus_fw-la respondere_fw-la and_o therefore_o another_o 104._o rebuff_n de_fw-fr congruâ_fw-la portio_fw-la nu_fw-la 104._o learned_a author_n also_o say_v non_fw-la potest_fw-la episcopus_fw-la vel_fw-la alius_fw-la donare_fw-la unius_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la temporalia_fw-la monasterio_n vel_fw-la alteri_fw-la in_o destructionem_fw-la &_o praeiudicium_fw-la primae_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la nec_fw-la unum_fw-la altar_n d●scooperire_fw-la ut_fw-la alterum_fw-la cooperiat_fw-la and_o to_o make_v this_o clear_a by_o particular_a case_n in_o the_o law_n commendam_n which_o though_o not_o utter_o and_o in_o all_o case_n to_o be_v condemn_v yet_o rebuffus_n see_v the_o great_a excess_n and_o abuse_n of_o they_o in_o the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v call_v pernitiem_n &_o exitium_fw-la totius_fw-la reipublicae_fw-la common_a rebuff_n prax._n benefic●tit_n a_o common_a christianae_n because_o they_o be_v never_o grant_v but_o with_o some_o nuisance_n to_o the_o church_n be_v ancient_o wont_v to_o pass_v with_o this_o clause_n volumus_fw-la auten_v quod_fw-la propter_fw-la ibid._n rebuff_n ibid._n huiusmodi_fw-la commendam_fw-la divinus_fw-la cultus_fw-la et_fw-la solitus_fw-la monachorum_fw-la &_o ministrorum_fw-la numerus_fw-la in_o dicto_fw-la monasterio_n nullatenus_fw-la minuatur_fw-la sed_fw-la illius_fw-la &_o illorum_fw-la congrué_fw-fr supportentur_fw-la onera_fw-la consueta_fw-la de_fw-fr refiduis_fw-la vero_fw-la monasterij_fw-la fructibus_fw-la &_o reditibus_fw-la &_o proventibus_fw-la disponere_fw-la &_o ordinare_fw-la libere_fw-la &_o licitè_fw-fr valeas_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o like_a to_o be_v understand_v &_o much_o rather_o of_o the_o vicar_n in_o case_n a_o single_a benefice_n be_v so_o grant_v for_o in_o his_o case_n as_o panormitan_n report_v though_o no_o monachis_fw-la panorm_a ad_fw-la d._n ●_o de_fw-fr monachis_fw-la such_o