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A66174 A discourse of the Holy Eucharist, in the two great points of the real presence and the adoration of the Host in answer to the two discourses lately printed at Oxford on this subject : to which is prefixed a large historical preface relating to the same argument. Wake, William, 1657-1737. 1687 (1687) Wing W240; ESTC R4490 116,895 178

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