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A85777	A contention for truth: in two several publique disputations. Before thousands of people, at Clement Dane Church, without Temple Barre: upon the 19 of Nevemb. [sic] last: and upon the 26 of the same moneth. Betweene Mr Gunning of the one part, and Mr Denne on the other. Concerning the baptisme of infants; whether lawful, or unlawful.	Gunning, Peter, 1614-1684.; Denne, Henry, 1606 or 7-1660?	1658 (1658)	Wing G2234; Thomason E963_1; ESTC R202279	30,275	53

A Contention for TRUTH In Two Several Publique DISPUTATIONS Before thousands of People at Clement Dane Church without Temple Barre upon the 19 of Nevemb last and upon the 26 of the same Moneth Betweene Mr Gunning of the one part and Mr Denne on the other Concerning the Baptisme of INFANTS Whether LAWFVL or VNLAWFVL The Inspiration of the Almighty giveth Vnderstanding Great men are not alwayes wise neither do the aged understand Judgement Job 32. 8 9. LONDON Printed by J. Moxon for Francis Smith and are to be sold at his Shop in Flying Horse Court in Fleet-street neer Chancery Lane end And by John Sweeting at the signe of the Angel in Popes head Alley 1658. To the Reader IS there no end of writing Books Have not our Ears been filled and our Eyes wearied with Hearing and Reading touching this subject Both Pro and Contra Are not the later writers in behalfe of Infants Baptisme very many viz. Cardinal Bellarmine and a great number of the sons of the Church of Rome who have in this point dealt as ingeniously as pithily as ever any that took up the defence of it could do Have we not often heard of it from the pens of the reformers in the infancy of their reformation viz. Luther Melancthon Calvin with a great number of late Doctors and Masters viz. Featly Marshall Goodwin Fuller Baxter Audley with others Have we not had also many who have laboured not a little on the opposite party And both by their pens and suffrings testified against the Baptisme of Infants as Morton with some others contemporary the Ministers of Transylvania and since of later years Blackwell Tombes Cornwall Fisher Lamb Senior Lamb Junior Writer Haggar with many others who will not be offended because they are not named Have the Protestants of late said any thing more then the Papists before them Or will this Book tell us one thing more then either Protestant or Papist hath not formerly Declared On the other hand what can be said more effectually to prove the Baptisme of Infants to bear an humane stamp and superscription and not Divine then hath been said over and again What need then of this Book Patience good Reader and know it is neither any conceit of the impotency of those that have written before or of the excellency of any thing herein contained above what hath been before written that hath occasioned me to shew this to the world but that the importunity of friends might be satisfied and the mouths of lying adversaries might be stopped that they may be shamed out of those slanderous reports whereof they have been coyners Thou hast here the relation of the discourses that passed between Mr. Gunning and my self I cannot warrant it in every tittle perfect but as fully impartially as I am able to give thee This I will affirm that willingly I have omitted nothing that might conduce to the making his arguments or answers seem valid Indeed I did wish I could have shewed thee this discourse in a more perfect form then it is and I did wish it heartily and for the same purpose I did write unto Mr. Gunning declaring mine intentions to send my papers to the Press and intreating his favour to come to my house in regard I was not able to stir abroad and to put to his file if any thing were omitted it should be inserted if any thing were inserted that was not spoken it should be expunged declaring also that I would wait for him four or five daies I did wait twelve daies and at last I received from him not by writing but by word That he could not come if I pleased I might proceed and if I did any injury to him hee would let the world know of it Thus when I could not do as I would I was forced to do what I was able to do I have here propounded to thy consideration the matter as well as I can Read and in the presence of the Lord setting prejudice aside consider what Mr. Gunning hath produced that is of greater weight then those arguments Men have formerly written I leave thee to the perusall of the Book at the latter end whereof thou hast an account of some arguments that I had intended for to have urged at that time Consider them also with the rest and let the Readers that can pray unto the God of peace that hee would cause the Sun of Righteousness to arise That divisions may cease and all that fear the Lord may be of one lipp and of one heart serving the Lord in Godly Simplicity and Sincerity AMEN A Conference between A and B Wherein is Contained an Impartiall Relation of a Disputation holden at Clement Danes two several dayes viz. on the 19th day of November and on the 26th day of the same Moneth between Mr. Gunning and Mr. Denne Concerning the Lawfulness or Unlawfulness of Children Baptisme A MY dear friend I rejoyce very heartily to see you in health and to enjoy your society this day And so much the more because I have heard that you were present at a dispute two several dayes at Clement Danes concerning the Baptisme of Infants whether it be to be accounted Lawful or Unlawful Concerning which dispute I have heard Reports so different that I find it a matter of difficulty to find a ground for Credence I desire your gentleness not to deny my request but to grant me so much favour as to make me partakers of your apprehensions of the whole matter That by your impartiall Relation of the transactions of both dayes I may find some good assurance of confidence B It is no wonder that you should hear various and uncertain reports both of this or other disputes of like sort Seeing that unto such like meetings as these are The greatest part Come with prejudice upon their spirits Judging before they have heard and determining the whole matter before it begin Some bringing with them hearts fraught with envy anger and malice insomuch that if they Could they Would not and if they Would they Could not sincerely discern the truth of matters propounded If it may prove a thing acceptable in your eys I will not refuse to relate unto you the sum of the matter so far as my memory can comprehend I shall not willingly omit any thing material As for words which might well have been spared on both sides I shall take no notice of them at all A I pray begin and I shall Lend an attentive ear B I will first declare unto you the Occasion of this dispute which was this A gentlewoman who had through mercy set her heart seriously to seek the Lord and his face with resolution to walk in his wayes was not a little troubled in spirit about the many differences in and about Worship amongst those that profess the name of the Lord Shee looked upon her former wayes as evill and to be forsaken but what to embrace shee knows not Forasmuch as so soon as shee