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A96687	New-Englands salamander, discovered by an irreligious and scornefull pamphlet, called New-Englands Jonas cast up at London, &c. Owned by Major Iohn Childe, but not probable to be written by him. Or, A satisfactory answer to many aspersions cast upon New-England therein. Wherein our government there is shewed to bee legall and not arbitrary, being as neere the law of England as our condition will permit. Together with a briefe reply to what is written in answer to certaine passages in a late booke called Hypocrisie unmasked. / By Edw. Winslow.	Winslow, Edward, 1595-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing W3038; Thomason E390_8; ESTC R201531	24,205	33

respect● it is the Land of 〈◊〉 a Land that is pretious in the eyes of the Lord they shall not prosper that rise against it but shall bee taken every one of them in the snares they lay for it And this said hee I speake as a poore Prophet of the Lord according to the word of his grace in my Text which however in the proper sense of the Holy Ghost belonged to that age of the Church mentioned in the Booke of Nehemiah yet it is written for our example and instruction for God is the same yesterday to day and for ever no lesse carefull no lesse able and no lesse willing to save and deliver his people by ingaging himselfe in their case and who can stand before him In the second place saith he whereas divers our brethren are to goe for England and many others to follow after in another Vessell let mee direct a word of exhortation to them also I desire the gratious presence of our God may goe with them and his good Angels guard them not onely from the dangers of the Seas this Winter season but keepe them from the errours of the times when they shall arrive and prosper them in their lawfull designes c. But if there bee any amongst you my brethren as 't is reported there are that have a Petition to prefer to the High Court of Parliament which the Lord in mercy goe on blessing to blesse as hee hath begun that may conduce to the distraction annoyance and disturbance of the peace of our Churches and weakning the Government of the Land where wee live let such know the Lord will never suffer them to prosper in their subtill malicious and desperate undertakings against his people who are as tender unto him as the apple of his eye But if there bee any such amongst you that are to goe I doe exhort and would advise such in the feare of God when the terrors of the Almightie shall beset the Vessell wherein they are the Heavens shall frowne upon them the billowes of the Sea shall swell above them and dangers shall threaten them as I perswade my selfe they will I would have them then to consider these things for the time of adversitie is a time for Gods people to consider their wayes I will not give the counsell was taken concerning Jonah to take such a person and cast him into the Sea God forbid but I would advise such to come to a resolution in themselves to desist from such enterprises never further to ingage in them and to cast such a Petition into the Sea that may occasion so much trouble and disturbance But it may be hardnesse of heart stoutnesse of spirit may cause such a person or persons with stiffe necks to persist and yet in mercy with respect to some pretious ones amongst you as I perswade my selfe there are many such goe in each Vessell the Lord may deliver the Vessell from many apparent troubles and dangers for their sakes but let such know the Lord hath Land judgements in store for such for they are not now free Hee being the God of the Land as well as of the Sea and if you turne to Numb. 14. 36 37. you shall there see how hee threatned to destroy such as brought a false report upon his land with the Plague and truely God hath still Plagues in store for such as bring a false report upon his Church and people Nay said hee I heare the Lord hath a destroying Angell with the Sword of Pestilence in that Kingdome striking here and there as seemeth good unto him though not vehemently blessed bee his name and who knowes what the Lord will doe and therefore I advise such in the feare of God and I speak it as an unworthy Prophet of His according to that portion of his word I now speake from to lay these things to heart for it is the Lord Jesus hath said Take us the Foxes the little Foxes c. or let them bee taken And beleeve it for a truth all those that goe about by Fox-like craft and subtiltie to undermine the Churches of Christ Jesus they shall all bee taken even in the very snare and ginne they set for others And thus much for what Mr. Cotton delivered on this Thursdayes Lecture in Beston Novemb. 5. 1646. which I have shewed to many eminent persons now in England who were present at this Lecture and judge it not onely to bee the summe of his exhortation but his very expressions and are ready to testifie it on all occasions against all opposers as Mr. Thomas Peters and Mr. William Golding Ministers H●rbert P●lb●● Esquire Captaine William Sayles Captaine Leveret Captaine Harding Mr. Richard Sadl●● c. And take notice withall good Reader that I never heard the good man deliver any thing with more earnestnesse and strength of affection then these things thus sleighted by our adversaries as thou seest And for the second part of their story viz their passage and the passages of Gods providence befell them in it take notice good Reader that however our Salamander turned things into a jest as soone as they were delivered asking whether hee were a great Fox or a little one yet many others that were ingaged to goe but in the Ship their hearts trembled that they were to goe in such company And Mr. Thomas Peeters a Minister that was driven out of Cornewall by Sir Ralph Hopton in these late Warres and fled to New-England for shelter being called back by his people and now in London upon sight of what I have written gave mee leave before many to adde this that upon Mr. Cottons exhortation having shipped his goods and bedding to have gone in the Ship with them amongst other arguments this was the maine that hee feared to goe in their company that had such designes and therefore tooke passage to goe rather by way of Spaine c. And to speake the truth as the ship rode out many fearefull stresses in the Harbour after they were ready before they could goe to saile the wind being faire but overblowing so after they came to Sea had the terriblest passage that ever I heard on for extremitie of weather the Mariners not able to take an observation of Sunne or Star in seven hundred Leagues sayling or thereabouts And when they were all wearied out and tired in their spirits certaine well-disposed Christians called to mind the things delivered by Mr. Cotton before mentioned and seeing the Tempest still to continue thought meet to acquaint such as were conceived to be meant by Mr. Cotton and that had a purpose to persist in such courses that they thought God called them now to consider of the things delivered by him hereupon a godly discreet woman after midnight went to the great Cabbin and addressed her speech in sobrietie and much modesty to them whereupon one of the two answered in these words or to this purpose Sister I shall bee loath to grieve you or any

reader take notice as well of the quality of these Petitioners as of their demeanour before expressed and then thou shalt finde divers of them to bee inconsiderable in regard of proprietie with us who might bee justly suspected to draw in the rest who are much bewailed by many of us and in so doing it 's possible thou mayst as well bee jealous of their good intents as those in the Countrey For three of them namely Doctor Childe John Smith and John Dand they are persons that have no proprietie or knowne proper estate in the government where they are so busie to disturbe and distract and for Mr. Thomas Fowle who whether drawne in or no I know not hee joyned with them in this Petition and Remonstrance at such a time when hee was resolved to leave the Countrey and since hath done and sent for his wife and family as I heare As for Doctor Childe hee is a Gentleman that hath travelled other parts before h●e came to us namely Italy confesseth hee was twice at Rome speaketh sometimes highly as I have heard reported in favour of the Jesuites and however he tooke the degree of Doctor in Physick at Padua yet doth not at all practise though hee hath beene twice in the Countrey where many times is need enough At his first comming to New-England he brought letters commendatory found good acceptation by reason thereof with the best fals upon a dilligent survey of the whole Countrey and painefully travells on foot from Plantation to Plantation takes notice of the Havens situation strength Churches Townes number of Inhabitants and when he had finished this toylesome taske returnes againe fo●England being able to give a better account then any of the Countrey in that respect Hee comes a second time and not onely bestoweth some Bookes on the Colledge as Sir K●… Digby and many others commendably did but brings second Letters commendatory having put in some stock among some Merchants of London and for the advancement of Iron workes in the Countrey which through Gods goodnesse are like to become very profitable to them but hath no more to doe in the managing of them then any here who have other their Agents being expert in the worke This Gentlemans carriage is now changed and is not onely ready to close with such as are discontented but to bee a leader of such against the government affront the Authoritie God hath hitherto honored with his blessing appeale from their justice and thereby seeke to evade any censure and if he might be thus suffered why not others and then wee must all give over for if we have not the power of government and cannot administer justice seasonably on all occasions well we may come back againe and take some other course but wee cannot there subsist A second of these is Mr. John Smith who formerly lived about two or three yeeres in Boston but before this Remonstrance himselfe and wife were removed to Road Iland but never had any personall inheritance in the Countrey and was now at the Massachusets but as a stranger A third is one Mr. John Dand who hath lived in Boston as a so●ourner since these warres in another mans house at Board hire whose businesse and occasions there are unknowne unto us and whose carriage till this present was seemingly faire but all on a suddaine though no further interessed in the Countrey he thus engageth himselfe against the Authority of the place Thus taking Mr. Fowl● with them who was upon departure from the Countrey as afore you may see the persons to bee such as have no considerable interest amongst us at least foure in seaven And all this being true I have related I suppose by this time the Reader may conceive or at least suspect their faire pretences and great glisterings are not pure gold But besides all this take notice good Reader that our Salamander wintred many moneths amongst them very gracious and frequent in their companies and no doubt a great helpe in furthering their designe in their Remonstrance which brake forth not long after his returne home the spring following and indeed his company had beene enough alone to have produced such an effect and therefore for my part so well knowing the man I cannot wonder at it as many doe assuring my selfe bee better knowes how to ripen such fruit then all the Costermongers in London And now let mee goe to the Title of the booke which hath its relation to the Petition aforesaid and after their Gigge called New-Englands Jones cast up at London they would make the world beleeve that divers honest and godly persons are imprisoned in New-England for Petitioning for government in the Common-weale according to the Lawes of England and either for desiring admittance of themselves and children to the Sacraments in our Churches or else for leave to have Ministers and Church government according to the best reformation of England and Scotland Now these charges are most notorious false and so knowne for I came not alone from New-England but accompanied with an hundred persons at least which I beleeve can testifie in the case And therefore Major Childe take notice how you are abused by them to father such devilish and slanderous reports as these For the first There were none committed for petitioning but for their Remonstrance and the many false charges and seditious insinuations tending to faction and insurrections sleighting the government c. And lest any should thinke as I heare some doe that the Court of the Massachusets hath dealt rigorously with them and that the Petition is very faire and orderly c. let the Reader know that such thoughts must either proceed from great weaknesse in not understanding or discerning the many grosse charges in it or else from partialitie or evill affection to the Government which they neither love nor know for in their Remonstrance they not onely defame the Government but controule the wisedome of the State of England in the frame of their Charter which is under the broad Seale of the Kingdome by charging the Government to bee an ill compacted vessell Secondly they charge all the afflictions that have befallen the personall Inhabitants either by sicknesses on the land or losses at Sea upon the evill of the Government Thirdly they goe about to perswade the people that all the priviledges granted and confirmed under the broad Seale to the Governour and Company of the Massachusets belong to all freeborne English men which contrariwise belong onely to the said Governour and Company and such as they shall thinke meet to receive Fourthly they closely insinuate into the mindes of the people as the jealousies of others that these now in authoritie doe intend to exercise unwarranted dominion and an Arbitrary Government abominable to Parliament c. foretelling them of intolerable bondage which is enough alone to stirre up a people to commotion Fiftly how doe they goe about to weaken the authoritie of the Lawes of the place the peoples

to his particular offence and carriage in managing the whole and it is not our manner to punish twice for one offence Thirdly take notice that the Government they charge was proved in open Court to bee according to the Law of England and therefore not committed for Petitioning for that they had Fourthly let the Reader know that the Presbyterian Government was as freely tendered them by the Governour in the open Court without any contradiction of any the Assistants or other ●s ever I heard any thing in my life though it appeareth that our Salamander is not a little troubled at it as I shall have occasion to touch in my answer to the Postscript which I verily beleeve hee penned every word Lastly let the Reader take notice that Doctor Robert Childe Mr. John Smith and Mr. John Dand were committed for certaine Papers upon close search of Dands Closet there found the night before the Ship came away which were far more factious seditious then the former Doctor Childe being committed because one of the Coppies was under his knowne hand another Coppy under Mr. Dands hand and both in his custody Mr. Smith in that hee not onely offered to rescue the Papers from the Officers that were sent to make search but when hee saw that hee could not rescue them brake out into high speeches against the Government and amongst other things said hee hoped ere long to doe as much to the Governors Closet and doe as much to him as hee did for them c. or to the like purpose And now Major Childe let the world and you take notice together wherefore your Brother those honest godly persons you pretend to speak of were committed Nor doe I beleeve that any people under the heavens that know what belongs to Government and have the power of it would doe lesse then the Magistrates there did But what the event will bee God onely knowes but this I know they are in the hands of mercifull men however they have beene abused or may by our Salamander whose reports I often meet with or by any other whatsoever And for answer to their relation of the effects this Petition produced much of it is false and answered before the rest not worthy the answering as concerning the Elders their long Sermons to provoke the Magistrates against them c. no wise man will beleeve as they relate And thus much for answer to the second part of their Booke concerning the Petition and Remonstrance A briefe answer to the third head of their Booke concerning the Capitall Lawes of the Massachusets c. HEre I finde the capitall Lawes of the Massachusets reprinted the oath they administer to their Freemen which I suppose they are sorry they can finde no more fault with And all these Capitalls rehearsed to shew the danger Doctor Childe is under by vertue of the last which followeth in these words If any man shall conspire or attempt any invasion insurrection or publique rebellion against our Common-wealth or shall indeavour to surprise any Towne or Townes Fort or Forts therein or shall treacherously and perfidiously attempt the alteration and subversion of our frame of Policy or Government fundamentally hee shall bee put to death Numb. 162 Sam. 3. and 18. and 20. Now if together with this they had manifestd a liberty the Court gives to any notwithstanding this Law fairely and freely to shew their grievance at any thing they conceive amisse and needeth either alteration or repeale then they had dealt fairly indeed but because they leave it out I take it my dutie to put it in I know our Salamander is not without some exception at any thing wee can doe but because I finde none more then as before I shall passe to the next head of their booke An answer to their Relation concerning the throwing the Petition overboard as a Jonas as they terme it I Acknowledge that Mr. Cotton taught from that Text they mention in 2 Cant. 15. Take us the Foxes the little Foxes which destroy the vines c. and let the Reader understand that this Text tell in his ordinary course of Lecture in going through that Book and not taken on purpose on that particular occasion The points hee delivered from hence as I remember were these two The first was When God had delivered his Church from the danger of the Beare and the Lyon then the Foxes the little Foxes sought by craft policy to undermine the same The second was this That all th●se that goe about by Fox-like craft and policy to undermine the state of the Churches of Jesus Christ they shall all bee taken every one of them The Text as I take it hee shewed belonged to that time of the Church when they returned from Babylon and were building the Temple and proved the first point of doctrine from that of Tobias and Sanballat that would have built with the Jewes the second was amplified by the History of Haman in the Booke of Hester and so brought many other examples and amongst others the story of the Bishops in the dayes of Hen. the eighth Edward the sixt Queen Elizabeth and to the beginning of these warres who under a colour of building and being Master Builders in the Lords house laid heavie burthens upon the Saints corrupted the worship of God and Lorded it over his heritage when they were come to the top of their pride the Lord Jesus could endure them no longer but they were taken even every one of them in the same snare they had set for others But I forbeare the amplifying of it and hasten to the application so farre as it concerneth this scornefull story by them penned of their feigned miracle as they call it His use of Exhortation was twofold First to such as lived in the Countrey to take heed how they went about any indirect way or course which might tend to the prejudice of the Churches of Jesus Christ in the same or the Governments of the land which through Gods mercy was not onely in the hands of such as truely feared the Lord but according to his revealed will so far as we can judge And therefore if any though never so secretly or subtilly should goe about any such thing the Watchman of Israel that slumbreth not nor sleepeth will not take it well at their hands For He that hath brought his people hither and preserved them from the rage of persecution made it a hiding place for them whilst hee was chastising our owne Nation amongst other the Nations round about it manifested his gratious presence so apparently walking amongst his Churches and preserving and prospering our Civill State from forraigne plots of the late Archbishop and his confederates and the domestick of the Heathen where wee live there was no question to bee made but Hee would preserve it from the underminings of false brethren and such as joyned with them And therefore saith hee let such know in the foregoing

other of Gods people with any thing I shall doe and immediatly went to his Chest or Trunke and tooke out a paper and gave it her and referred it to the discretion of others to doe withall as they should see good which the woman not in a distracted passion as they reported shewed to Mr. Richard Sadler and others who although they knew it was not the right Petition but that they were deluded yet because they judged it also to bee very bad having often seene it in New-England but never liked the same cut it in peeces as they thought it deserved and gave the said peeces to a Seaman who cast them into the Sea The storme for the present continued that night say some others say some abatement of winde befell presently after but all conclude it abated the next day but that they had divers stormes afterward being then 200. leagues short of the lands end is most certaine And in one of these hideous stormes having no saile abroad the ship lying adrist with the helme bound up the master conceiving hee was to the Southward of Silley layed the ship to the Norward the night being very darke In the last watch of the night one of the Quarter masters going to the Pumpe discerned Rocks ahead within a Cables length and made such an outery as the whole ship was awakened and nothing but death presented them there was much hast made to let loose the Helme and to come to saile but before it could bee done the ship was engaged amongst the Rocks of Silley and nothing could bee discerned under water but by the breaking of the waves which was their best direction to cunne the ship In this laby●inth the Ship travelled for a quarter of an hower or more in which time it was generally observed the Ship readily obeyed her Helme or rather the great Pilate of the Seas upon the word given which at other times shee was slow in At length the Ship drove in and came a ground between two Ilands and could not bee got off being ●bbing water and it was the speciall providence of God to place her there in much mercy and compassion on his poore afflicted ones the vessell being full of passengers for on both sides and on head were desperate Rocks which were not discovered till the morning light the Ship all this while lying fast upon a bed of Sand or Owse when it was day the dangers which they had escaped in the night to our admiration presented themselves nor durst the Master worke the ship till hee had gotten a Pilate from the shore who undertooke to bring her to an Anchor ne●re Crowes Sound The deliverance was so strange as the Inhabitants of Silly were amased at it some saying it was a miracle another that God was a good man that should thus deliver us indeed all the Iland wondred and the passengers themselves most of all when they saw the Breaches at low water so farre off at Sea neere which they passed before they knew the danger and the Rocks they sailed by after they found themselves involved as it were between S●pll● and C●rybdis Much more might bee added to account the mercy but this may suffice to let the world see 't is no such trifle as is pretended in their prophane relation who had then other thoughts being passengers also in the Ship and seemed willing to joyn● with the godly party in the Ship in testimony of their thankfulnesse to celebrate a speciall day of thanksgiving unto the Lord for so great salvation where Mr. Golding preached being a passenger with them and Teacher to a Church of Christ in Berm●d● And now good Reader what wilt thou judge of such as can turne such deliverances into a scoffe witnesse their prophane Title New-Englands Jonas cast up at London the naked truth whereof thou hast heard related in all which Jonas was but once accidentally named and that by way of direct opposition to any such counsell The Master of the ship never spoke to no speech between the woman and Mr. Vassall that I can learne but betweene Mr. Fowle and her shee under no distemper of passion but modest discreet and sober in her carriage thorow out the whole In briefe all that I can meet with that were in the Ship especially the most eminent persons affirme this relation of theirs to bee false yea Mr. Fowle himselfe acknowledged it before Captaine Sailes late Governour of Bermudas Captaine Leveret and Captaine Harding all passengers in the ship who all concu●●ed in the falshood of the same and the three Captaines not a little offended thereat and Mr. Richard Sadler and divers others are ready to testifie the same But put the case they had deluded a poore weake passionate woman by a shadow instead of a substance Mee thinkes if any feare of God had been before their eyes they might have trembled at so many and so great threatnings of the Almightie who followed them from one land to another over the vast Ocean with his terrours and have shewed greater thankfulnesse for such a deliverance as before recited then to carry themselves as they doe labouring to delude the Reader as well as themselves and to ascribe all to the Winter season as if all our passages were ordinarily such as appeareth by their note in the Ma●gent page 12. when as that is false also witnesse some that came with them who affirme they have bin in Winter passages but never in the like the Master his company all concurring therein being confident also they fared the worse for their company And thus much ●●●n affirme and at least an hundred more that came with me who came away about the middest of December five weeks deeper in Winter then they and yet through Gods undeserved favour had a comfortable passage and landfall which I thought good to adde to the rest that persons may not bee discouraged from the passage though I must confesse the Spring and Fall are the best seasons But let them go on if nothing will reclaime them and I will waite and attend the word of the Lord in the mouth of his servant and observe the dispensation of his providence towards his Churches and the enemies of the same And thus much for answer to the fourth head of their book published by Major Child● An answer to the Postscript IN this postscript which containeth more matter then the whole ● booke I can trace our Salamander line by line and phrase after phrase in his accustomed manner to del●de many simple ones and weaken their respect to the government of New-England where hee did a great deale more hurt by his personall presence than hee can doe here by such slanderous invectives as he either pin●●th upon others witnesse this silly peece called New-England● J●n●● o● any hee shall publish hereafter To answer every particular at length would bee too tedious But because hee pretendeth an answer to some passages in a booke written lately by my selfe

Indeed this I have said in answer to his cavils that if the Parliaments of England should impose Lawe● upon us having no Burgesses in their house of Commons not capable of a summons by reason of the vast distance of the Ocean being three thousand miles from London then wee should lose the libertie and freedome I conceived of English indeed where every Shire and Corporation by their Knights and Burgesses make and consent to their Laws and so oppose whatsoever they conceive may bee hurtfull to them But this liberty wee are not capable of by reason of distance and therefore c. And thus much for answer to that point which will satisfie any equall minded man but is nothing to him Thirdly he chargeth our Government to bee Arbitrary Answ I shewed before after what manner wee made our Lawes and for the choyce of our Officers once every yeere they are either chosen or renewed by election and this is done by the Freemen who are the Associates to the Governour to whom all the power is granted And these are to governe according to their Lawes made and established and not according to their wills And however there are many that are not free amongst us yet if understanding men and able to bee helpefull it 's more their owne faults then otherwise oft-times who will not take up their freedome lest they should bee sent on these service● as our Salamander and most of his Disciples who are too many I must confesse and yet it is the same with many thousands in this kingdome who have not libertie to choose nor yet may the Freeholders and Freemen choose any that are not Freeholders Freemen and Gentlemen of such a rank or quality that are chosen So that for my own part I see not but that as we go by the expresse of our Letters Patents so we goe according to the practise of England the Law made binding the Maker as wel as any other having o●●rule for all As for our trialls between man and man hee knowes wee goe by Jury there as well as here And in criminalls and capitalls wee goe by Grand Jury and Petty Jury And where the death of any is suddaine violent or uncertaine the ●rowner sits upon it by a Quest and returneth a verdict c. and all according to the commendable custome of England whom wee desire to follow But their maine objection is that wee have not p●nall Lawes exactly set downe in all cases 'T is true I confesse neither can they finde any Common we●●●● under heaven or ever was but some things were reserved to the discretion of the Judges and so it is with us and no otherwise our Generall Courts meeting together twice a yeere at least hitherto for that very end and so continuing so long as their occasions and the season will permit and in case any ●●sdemeaner befall where no penaltie is set down it is by solemne order left to the discretion of the B●nch who next to the word of God take the Law of England for their president before all other whatsoever And as I said before if I would enter into particulars I could here setdowne in a line parallel as I received it in answer to the Petition of Doctor Robert Childe c. mentioned in their booke the fundamentalls of the Massachusets concurring with the priviledges of Magn● C●●●●● and the common Law of England at large But as I said before it would bee too tedious for answer to this worthlesse and malicious charge And yet I dare affirme that Virgini● Barbadoes Christoph●rs Mevis and A●●i●g● have not all of them so many Lawes as New-England nor so many expresse penalties annexed As for the ●●●ting of the foure Colonies I briefly shewed the reason of it in my former Treatise being necessitated thereunto ●●y a secret Combination of the Indians to ●●● in all off as our Salamander well knowes and approved and if in America we should forbeare to unite for offence and defence against a ●…on enemy keeping our Governments still dist●●ct as wee d●● till wee have leave from England our throats might bee allout before the Messenger would bee halfe Seas thorough but hee that will c●rpe at this what will hee not doe And for not making of our Warrants in the Kings name which is another thing hee comp●●neth of Hee well knowes the practise of the Countrey is various in that respect some constantly observing it others omitting to expresse it but all deriving our authority from hence But if any wonder why I say so much in answer to it as I doe it is because I never purpose for reply to any thing he or any other shall write in this kinde to him for 't is to no end to write many bookes especially when wee have to deale with such an one as delights in contention and nothing else In the last place take notice good Reader how hee cavills and is vexed at rather then answers any thing I say tending to preserve peace and unitie betweene the Presbyterian and Independent Brethren And whereas hee saith there is fallacy in what I have written how can that bee when I shew the very particular instances and persons that did and still do hold communion with us and our Salamander knoweth most of these persons and I beleeve the very things also and hath nothing to say against any one of the instances brought onely hee asketh whether any of us the many thousands a great word that came from New-England doe communicate here with the Presbyterians To which I answer by way of question to any rationall and indifferent man whether a Church or Churches of ours allowing and admitting any of the Presbyterians or their members into full communion with them doth not more fully answer the question or his cavill and prove communion of Churches on our part then for a particular member of ours to joyne in communion with some of the Presbyterian Churches which it may bee that Independent Church whereof hee is may never heare of And sure enough if I should draw an Argument from his proposition to prove it hee would bee sure to say your Churches allow it not c. and therefore it proves no communion of Churches at all Secondly were I where I could not communicate with an Independent Congregation and might with a Presbyterian and they walked orderly I know nothing but I might comfortably partake in that Ordinance of the Lords Supper with them but I should not forsake that communion I more affected for that I lesse affected where I might enjoy either nor I beleeve will any understanding Presbyterian Brother on the other side And so much for answer to that cavill and the many branches of it In the second place hee cavills at this that I say in page 96. of my Book called Hypocrisie 〈…〉 That the French and D●tch Churches are a people distinct from the world and gathered into ●● holy communion And then hee addeth ●ee should ●●●● said C●●●n●●t