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A03418	A letter to Mr. T.H. late minister: now fugitiue: from Sir Edvvard Hoby Knight. In answere of his first Motiue	Hoby, Edward, Sir, 1560-1617.	1609 (1609)	STC 13541; ESTC S104131	47,450	130

of the Church This you take to bee a subtill Collusion For whereas our D. pretendeth that S. Augustine had only Custome to maintaine it yet you find that he alledgeth Scripture in defence thereof For we reade saith he in the booke of the Machabes that Sacrifice was offred for the dead If this be the Scripture you build vpon our D. may say againe Nullo Scripturae dicto continetur it is not contained in any precept of Scripture As hauing formerly proued out of m Rat. pr. pag. 28. Aquinas Antoninus and Jerome that those bookes of Machabees are not Canonicall Neither is it our D. surmise that August seemeth to signifie as much who elsewhere doth plainly and determinablie conclude that they are not Diuini Canonis n Aug. de mirab lib. 2. c. 34. Jn Machabaeorum libris etsi aliquid mirabilium numero inserendum conuenientiùs ordini fuisse inueniatur de hoc tamen nulla cura fatigabimur quia tantùm agere proposuimus vt de diuini Canonis mirabilibus exiguam historicam expositionem tangeremus Where he confesseth that albeit he might wel haue produced somewhat for his purpose out of the Machabees yet because he meant to deale only with such mirables as were of the Diuine Canon hee would not trouble himselfe with those as thinking them vnfit to stand cheeke by ioule with the other The same Father writing against Gaudent Epist. saith thus o Contra Gaud. Epist. lib. 2. cap. 23. Machabaeorum Scriptura recepta est ab ecclesia non inutiliter si sobriè legatur vel audiatur maximè propter istos Martyres sed ob hanc causam in Canone morum non Fidei censeri posset Shewing that there must great sobrietie be vsed in the hearing and reading of those bookes and that they are in the Canon of Manners and not of faith And againe Jn sanctis Canonicis libris nusquam nobis diuinitus praeceptum permissumue reperiri potest vt velipsius adipiscendae immortalitatis vel vllius carendi cauendiue mali causa vt p 2. Machab. 14.42 Razis seipsum occidens laudatur In the holie Canonicall books there is no diuine precept or permission to be found that we may either to gaine immortalitie or to escape any perill make away with our selues as Razis did and is therefore commended in the Machabees Where is now the Collusion Doth not S. Augustine seeme to signifie as much Lyra is as liable to the censure of Collusion who auerreth q Praefat. in Tob. as he is cited by our Lubbertus lib. 1. cap. 13. de Princip dogm that they are receiued of the Church to be read for the information of manners Brito is also of the same mind r Jn prolog Machab. cited by Lubbert ibid. Libri Machabaeorum non sunt in Canone tamen leguntur in Ecclesia per constitutionem Romanae ecclesiae The bookes of Machabees are not in the Canon and yet they are read by the constitution of the Romane Church I might cite ſ Ad reg Ludouicum Lubbert ibid. Rabanus diuers others but t Jn fine Comment ad hist. vet Test as he is cited by our Lubbertus quo supra lib. 1. cap. 4. Caietan shall serue for all Ne turberis Nouitie si alicubi reperias libros istos inter Canonicos supputari vel in sacris Concilijs vel in sacris Doctoribus Non autem sunt Canonici id est Regulares ad firmandum ea quae sunt Fidei Possunt tamen Canonici id est Regulares dici ad aedificationem fidelium vtpote in Canone Bibliae ad hoc recepti Cum hac distinctione poteris discernere dicta Augustini scripta in Concilio prouinciali Carthaginensi Trouble not thy selfe if thou find those books either in the sacred Councels or holy Fathers to be reckoned among those that are Canonicall for they are not Canonicall that is Regular to ground those things that appertaine to faith albeit they may be tearmed Regular and Canonicall for the edification of the faithfull for which end they are receiued into the Canon of the Bible With this Distinction that which is spoken by Saint Augustine and written by the Prouinciall Councell of Carthage must bee vnderstood The Councell of Carthage u Pag. 170. whereupon you so much relie no doubt will now stand you in great stead Caietan taketh away your obiection with this distinction Besides by your leaue it may seeme these books were not so acknowledged by that Councell For how then could a 19. Mor. 13. S. Gregorie long after haue doubted of these bookes calling them Libros non Canonicos Books that were not Canonicall Your owne b Locis Theol. lib. 2. cap. 11. §. Ad quartum Canus confesseth that if they had been so ratified it had been neither for Gregorie nor any other to haue afterward made any doubt of them Why should you then stile it an c Pag. 169. Artificiall Collusion if our D. say that S. Augustine seemeth to signifie that there is no place of Scripture for prayer for the dead when besides the Custome of the Church hee alledgeth only that one out of the Machabees which bookes are not properly Canonicall You take all things I see with the left hand you would faine find a mote in D. H. his eie and yet you will not see the beame in your owne illatiue d Higgons pag. 170. S. Augustine you say makes mention of the old Scripture Ergo he intimateth that in the new Testament some reliefe for the dead is either plainly expressed or sufficiently deduced from thence In sadnes I should be glad to see a Logique of your making you haue such passing skill to conclude Quid libet ex Quolibet S. Augustines words are these e De cura pro mort cap. 1. If this were read no where in the old Scripture yet there is no small authoritie of the vniuersall Church c. He maketh a negatiue supposition of the old testament from whence you infer an affirmatiue position that there is proofe in the new Testamēt f Fallacia ab insufficiente diuisione A good Consequent all one as if a man should say M. Theomisus is not in the Church-yard Ergo he is in the Church Had there been any such place there to be found S. Augustine was not such a stranger vnto it but that hee could haue produced it g Doctus scriba prosert de thesauro suo noua vetera with a wet finger Neither was he tàm imperitus rerum aestimator as to thinke that the custome of the Church would passe more currant then that protection vnto which the Lord hath set his hand and seale Wherfore wi●h far more probabilitie might you haue argued thus S. Augustine mentioneth only the old which is not vndoubtedly Scripture Ergo hee did not find any Canonicall Scripture to confirme it Yea but Plus vident oculi quàm oculus happily your Jesuiticall societie as hauing the