our Church should deny that there is lawfull ordination in the Church of Rome What then â—â— is there no God in Israell nor balmâ— in Gilead must wee goe to gatheâ— grapes from the Romish hedges and deriue Bishops of Christ from the Sea of Antichrist iâ— is to be vnderstood all this while that wee pleâ—â— our owne cause the Reformed Churches in other parts want nâ—â— learned Patrons of their owne the weakeâ— soâ—t may perhaps be offendes hereat sed Cordatiores norunt tâ—â— Dr Prideaux Oâ—at de Vâ—â—at Minist wiser vnderstand that the Scribes Phariseeâ— sometimes sate in the chaire of Moses and that Iudas baâ—e the office of an Apostle and sometimes the Euill haue chiefe autheritie Article â—6 in the Ministration of the word and Sacraments saith the confession of our Church for it is one thing the power of teaching another the puritie of Doctrine nor doth hee that by superstition or heresie letteth goe puritie of Doctrine presently lose his authoritie and facultie of ordaining as Aarons Idolatry hindred him not from transferring the Priesthood to his posteritie Who is ignorant that they which are baptized by heretickes are truely baptized and likewise that those which are admitted into the Ministâ—ie by such are truly ordained we regard not the qualitie but the authoritie of him that conferreth holy Orders As we rebaptize M. Hieren his answer to the Popisâ—â—â—me How can shee make a lawfull Priest if she be not the church of Christ none that haue receiued Baptisme in the Church of Rome so wee doe not ordaine them anew which haue taken Orders from that See when they become conuerts If they haue sworne to any Errour or Heresie of that Church that wee cause them to abiure but we suppose them truly inuested in the Order oâ— Priesthood By this we hope it is euident thâ—â— there is yet a little strength in tâ—â— Sinfull Church of Rome forasmucâ— as there is true Baptisme whereiâ— they are baptized into Christs truâ—â— and not the Popes errours and tâ—â— shee hath not wholly lost the face â—â— a Church for there is true and lawfull ordination wherein they receiâ— Commission and do promise to teaâ—â— the people not the Popes legendâ— but out of the holy Scriptures sâ— that both Pastor and flocke are oâ—â— by admission promise and engagement theirs by abuse and practise Neither shall the precipitate speeches and rash censures of any maâ— euer preuaile so farre with vs bâ— that we will still beleeue and hope and pray that hee which called Iob â—mongst the Heathen and the Queeâ— of the South by the bare report oâ— Solomon and giueth that instinct oâ— nature vnto creatures walking in a pasture where venemous herbs are mixed with wholsome to make choise of that which is proper for them and abstain from the contrarie will giue the guidance assistance of his Spirit to his number vnder the tyranny of Antichrist to do the same that so his calling bee not still in vaine the ordination wholly vnprofitable or that admission in Baptisme alwaies frustrate that is to be the sauour of death vnto death and in none the sauour of life vnto life and herein we doubt not but we are heard euen before we ask CHAP. XII Our fift Argument prouing from our manner of disputing with Papists that they doe not directly deny the foundation of our faith IN those many parts of knowledge about which the mind of man is conucrsant some such groundes there are which being proposed 〈◊〉 minde doth presently embrace them as free from all possibilitie of errouâ— cleare and euident without proofe Such are those Principles in Philosophy that the whole is greater thâ—â— the parts c. Those axiomes oâ— reason that the greater good is to â—â— chosen before the lesse that wee mâ—â— doe vnto others as wee would bee dâ—â— vnto our selues A sentence whiâ—â— St. Augustine saith all Nations vndâ—â— heauen are agreed vpon and of suâ—◠〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Thâ—ophâ—asâ—us things as these to demand a reasoâ— were to take away reason Othâ—â— things there are which although theâ— be not so manifest in themselues yeâ— such is their plainenesse that eueâ— easinesse it selfe maketh them hardâ— be disputed of and to this numbeâ— it seemeth to mee that the matter about which wee now contend may well bee reckoned wherein foâ— ought I can perceiue they whiâ—â— oppose vs haue not brought so muâ—â— as probabilitie of reason to bâ—câ—â— their opinion much lesse that substantiall reason and demonstratiue 7. Vialls p. â—8 proofe wherewithall they beare vs in hand For if the present question to this day had neuer beene moued nor any word or syllable sounding that way were to bee found amongst the Writings of the Diuines of the Reformed Churches yet such a generall tacit concent there is amongst them herein and so vniuersally doe they conspire in this that the Church of Rome doth not directly deny the foundation of Faith that their assent may necessarily bee euinced if wee doe but consider their manner of disputing against them of that faction The Fathers in the Primitiue Church when they wrote Tertullian the Booke which hee calleth Apologeticuâ— Arnobius and Lactantius his Scholler against the Gentiles Chrysostome his Orations against the Iewes Eusebius his tenne Bookes of Euangelicall demonstration they stand in defence of Christianity against them by whom the foundation thereof was directly denied But the Writings of the Fathers against M. Hâ—oker his discourse of iustification Nouatians Pelagians and other Heretickes of the like note refell Positions whereby the foundation of Christian Faith was ouerthrowne by consequent onely In the former sort of writings the foundation is proued in the latter it is alledged as a proofe which to men that had beene knowne directly to deny must needs haue seemed a very beggarly kinde of disputing In like manner our proceedings against Papists in disputing against them do shew not onely that they hold but that wee acknowlehge them to hold the foundation Doe wee goe about to proue to them this truth thâ—â— Christ Iesus came into the world to saue sinners Doe wee not alledge iâ— as a proofe What say wee against transubstantiation but this That if our Lords Maiesticall body haue now any such new property by force whereof it may euery where really euen in substance present it selfe or may at once be in many places then hath the Maiestie of his estate extinguished the verity of his nature Against the merit of workes what do wee alledge but that Christ alone hath satisfied and appeased his Fathers wrath Christ hath merited saluation alone Wee should begge the question wee should doe fondly Vide Thomam part 1. quaest 1. aâ—tic 8. to vse such disputes neyther could we think to preuaile by them if that whereon wee ground were a thing which wee know they doe not hold which wee are assured they will not grant To be copious herein were to light a candle at noone day and I
MASCHIL OR A TREATISE TO GIVE INSTRVCTION TOUCHING The state of the CHURCH of ROME since the Councell of TRENT Whether shee be yet a TRVE Christian CHVRCH And if she have denied the FOVNDATION of our FAITH For the Vindication of the right Reuerend Father in God the L. Bishop of EXETER from the cavills of H. B. in his Book intituled The seven Vialls By ROBERT BVTTERFIELD Master of Arts and Minister of Gods Word IOâ— 32. 7. c. I â—â—d dayes should speake and 〈…〉 of 〈◊〉 should 〈…〉 But there is a 〈…〉 the inspiration of the 〈…〉 〈…〉 wise neither 〈…〉 Therefore I said Heathen to me I also will shâ—w 〈…〉 Printed by H. L. and R. T. for N. â—â—â—ter 16â—9 〈…〉 ⧠To the Reuerend and Right Worshipfull Mr. Richard CHAMBER Dr. of Diuinity the Eâ—courager of my Studieâ— and Abeâ—â—or of my honest Endâ—â—uours Worthy Sir NEuer any man attained vnto Honour but Enuy folloued him close at the heels and those Actions which before were not onely plausible but commendable are now subiect to misconstruction I know not else hoâ— it should come to passe that that Reuerend Diuine whose worth all Learned men know and your selfe in particular haue often extolled should come now to bee taxed through the preposterous zeale of some men for publishing to the World that Truth which bee hath beene alwaies knowne to mainetaine and should be thought to fauour that errour which no man euer more masculinely opposed The haynous Crime which is layd to the charge of that worthy Bishop is this That he is of opinion that the Church of Rome notwithstanding her manifold and deplorable Corruptions cannot yet be truly said to bee all Errour no Church An afsertion as you know not infrequent in the writings of other learned men but if it chance to fall from the Penne of a Prelate hee is straight-way making a Wicket to let-in Popery But is the truth so Surely no but as the Doctor of the Gentiles was accused to teach that which ill-disposed men did gather by his Writings euen such is their case whose words shewing the right vertuous contentednesse of his minde Through Honour and Dishonour are a most fit Episcopall Emprese It was an acute Hook Eccles Polit. lib. 3 §. 1 demand of one who for his profound Wisedome and Iudgement was second to none that liued in the Age with him Whether if an Hereticke were persecuted to the death by an Infidell for his Christian Profession sake we could deny such a one the Name of a Martyr Now who knowes not that Martyrdome is an honour peculiar to â—he Church of God From whence if all Papists as some would haue it beâ— quite and cleane excluded to what end doe wee spend so much time in disputes with them about Christian Religion Why doe we trouble our selues more with them than with Iewes and Infidels who are altogether Aliens from the Church Or why doe wee rather take the Workes of Bellarmine than the Alcoran to confute But wherefore doe I anticipate seeing this is the subiect of the ensuing discourse but that the vertue of the Cause yeeldeth Arguments more than â—now For miâ—e own part I entreat your self the World to excuse me that I could bee â—o longer patient when I sâ—e him whose meekenesse â—â— such that although he desireâ— Peace with â—ll men yet disclaimes Peace with Rome who hath written such serious dissâ—â—asâ—ues from Poperie who hath sent comfort to some â—n that Inquisition sand heartned them 〈…〉 Martyrdome who before the Reuerâ—nd Assembly of the Clergie in the Conuocation gathered together all hiâ— powers of Eloquence to perswade them to set themselues against that Tyberine Monster so â—ee calleth Poperie Concio ad Cleâ—um I say when I see him traduced as 〈◊〉 that would helpe Poperie 7. Vialls pag. 28. ouer the stile and censured as one whose * Charitie without zeale without sound Iudgement pag. 33. Charitie is told whose Iudgement â—nfound I must creaâ—e pardon if my 〈◊〉 within me worke a little though from Virulency of speech I promise to abstaine which as my disposition ab harreth so it cannot better my Nunquam meluâ—em causâ—m fâ—cit diceâ—tis petulaâ—tia sed â—epè peiorem l. our Val. Antidot in Pogium Couse and hee for whom I am entred into the Lists will not so bee defended who had rather put vp iniurie than eyther offer or requite any Now Reverend Sir if this imputation layd vpon the learned Bishop were the exception of one alone my labour might seeme superfluous for why should not one man dissent from another so that still the vnitie of the Spirit bee kept in the Bond of peace But the case is now otherwise for you are not ignorant that from him it is deriued to the People to whom the worthy Prelate is made odious and who thinke his Works vnworthy to be read any longer Neither is it needfull to vse force of reason to the Common sâ—â—t for what is waâ—ting in the weight of â—â—ens speeches is supplyed in the apenesse of their mindes to receiue whatsoeuer is but probably tendred them against their Saperious and they account such men to carry singular freedome of minde whiles thâ—se that shall but vndertake their defence must encounter with many heauy preiudices rooted in mens mindes that they are Men-pleasers and Time-seruers Yet 〈◊〉 all thiâ— deterrâ— not from pâ—rsuing that which I haue taken in hand neither as I hope shall I 〈◊〉 any thing to the offence of any godly minded if besides the Reasons I alledge to fortifie the Cause it selfe they be pleased to consider what Reasons â—â—dâ—ced me to stirre in this Maâ—â—er which are these The Truth suffâ—rs while 〈◊〉 obtruded and 〈◊〉 are vrged â—â— embrace it in stead thereof The Church suffers 〈◊〉 her children â—re presented with 〈◊〉 opinionâ— in stead of her 〈◊〉 Teâ—eâ—ts Who though she◠〈◊〉 condemned all the â—rrours of â—â—â— Church of Rome yet 〈…〉 contâ—mâ—lious against the Church it selfe The Reuerend Bishop suffâ—â—â— who 〈…〉 his grâ—at deferning 〈…〉 Church our Mother 〈…〉 not â—oâ—â—by to be 〈◊〉 the same day â—is Aduersary is spoken of And lastly dâ—â— Lâ—â—â—ned 〈◊〉 suffer whose 〈◊〉 fall 〈…〉 conâ—â—â—â—led 〈…〉 Iudgment The Vindication of all these â— great 〈◊〉 â— th◠〈…〉 of many haue vnder â—â—en and â—â— â—umbly offer it to your Worships Patronage to whom I am so well â—nownâ— that what I am I made â—ot tâ—ll you not my other inforâ—â—â—ou what are my abilities and what my weakenâ—sâ—â— is not hid from you Besides such is your loue towards meâ— that with a Fatherly affection you baue alwaies prosecuted mee as all know that know vs both Vt nihil à me tam Laurentius Valla. Epist ad Iohannem Tortellium exiguum proficâ—â—eaâ—ur quod non tuo nâ—scio iudicio dicam an amori magnum esse videatur To your selfe therefore of right doth this Worke belong to whom though lowe more yea whatsoeuer I am able to doe yet
Paul euery spirit that confesseth that Iesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God saith S. Iohn 1. Iohn 42. Where let the words of St. Paul interpret the meaning of St. Iohn that not onely euerie spirit which confesseth that Iesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God if so be that in workes they deny him not with which condition some would haue those words to bee vnderstood for many thinke aright of the incarnation of the son of God who in other things are not answerable to their profession but that this their confession is of God and from him and that as the Deuill is the Author of all cuill so there is â—o good whatsoeuer but proceedeth â—rom God and his most blessed spirit When the Scribes and Pharisees â—orded it in the seat of Moses and the Prophets many there were no doubt who though they communicated with them in the outward Sacraments and discipline of the Church yet were the flocke of another fold and like a few Oliues at the end of a twig after the shaking of the tree claue to the right stocke and waited for the redemption of Israel by Christ And thus doubtlesse it was with many heretofore and with some at this day which beeing outwardly of the Church of Rome wee may iustly notwithstaÌ„ding challenge to our selues Some of Gods people Doctor Chaloner â—redo Eccles Râ—uel 18. 4. are certainely in Babilon seeing such are warned by the spirit to come out of her and it were in vaine to command a man to depart a place if hee were not there But to conclude our first argument who can denie which is the principall that God hath his Church where Antichrist hath his Throne seeing as the Apostle tels vs he musâ— 1. Thes ◠〈…〉 4 〈…〉 sit in the Temple of God its God Quò◠sedes ciâ—â— in Templo Dei collocatur itâ— innuâ—tur tale fore eius Regnum quoâ— nec Christi nec Ecclesiae nomen aboleat That the seate of Antichrist is placeâ— in the Temple of God thereby is intimated vnto vs that his Kingdome should be such as should abolish neither the name of Christ nor of the Church saith that great Geneua Light I permit it 〈…〉 to your wise considerations saith one of no meane credit in our Church whether it bee more likely that as frenzic though it selfe take away the vse of Reason doth notwithstanding proue them reasonable Creatures which haue it because none can bee franticke but they so Antichristianitie being the bane and plaine ouerthrow of Christianitie may neuerthelesse argue the Church wherin Antichrist sitteth to be Christian CHAP. IX Our second Argument prouing that Popery taketh not away from fundamentall truth but addeth to it AS an Infant at the first both little and vnable to helpe it selfe gathereth strength and stature by degrees and likewise insensibly till he become a perfect man such hath beene the growth of the Man of sin at the first a Pigmy but now become a Sonne of Anak By what meanes from so small beginnings he attained to so great an height the wisedome of the wise hath discouered vnto vs. Impossible it were for the Rulers of that Synagogue either to haue gotten that power into their hands which now they hold or to mainetaine it now they haue it by making an open inuasion vpon the truth and oppugning the bulwarkes of Faith with hostile fury No Popery is a clandestine conspiracie and opposeth Doctor Chaloner Vnde Z. zâ—nia the Faith not directly but obliquely not formally but vertually not in expresse termes but by consequences and therefore vntill the Trumpets sounded the alarum and the Thunders in the Reuelation gaue warning few suspected it Wherefore is it said to be a mysterie of iniquitie but that it subtilely and secretly vndermineth the Faith not bidding open defiance vnto it Arius of old boldly and plainely denied the Diuinity of Christ Macedonius openly opposed the Diuinity of the Holy Ghost and the like If Popery should goe thus to worke what mysterie were there in it What which were not obuious to euery mans conceiuing Yea Vid. Dr. Chal. Vnâ—e Z zâ—â—ia what errour in doctrine or discipline is there brought into the Church by those builders of Babel which had not its first Originall from truth as it is iudiciously obserued that scarce any errour hath crept into the 〈…〉 lib. 1. Caâ—â— Church which tooke not its Originall and sourse from the ancient approued Discipline of the Church Thus we see their generall policie If we enquire into their particular practice we shall finde that the Popes Arithmeticke Dr. Chaloner credo Eâ—clesiam sanctâ—m Cathol which hee vseth in calculating the Articles of Faith is not substraction but addition What we purely affirm the Popish Writers for the most part do affirme the same the difference is that they affirme somewhat more than wee do They deny not so much that our affirmations are truth as that they say we affirme not all the truth whereupon they vsually stile vs in their writings * Harding against B. Iewell Negatinists For example sake Wee agree on both sides That the Scriptures are the rule of Faith That the Bookes of the Old Testament written in Hebrew are Canonicall That we are iustified by Faith That God hath made two receptacles for mens soules after death Heauen and Hell That God may be worshipped in Spirit without an image That we are to pray vnto God by Christ That there be two Sacraments That Christ is really receiued in the Lords Supper That Christ hath made one oblation of himselfe vpon the Crosse for the redemption propitiation and satisfaction for the sinnes of the whole world But see our affirmations content them not To the Scriptures they adde and equalize vnwritten traditions to the Hebrew Canon the Apocrypha to faith in the act of Iustification works to Heauen and Hell Purgatory Limbus Patram and Limbus Puerorum to the worship of God in Spirit Images to prayer to God by Christ Inuocation and Intercession of Saints to Baptisme and the Lords Supper fiue other Sacraments to the reality of Christ in the Sacrament his corporal presence to the sacrifice of Christ vpon the Crosse the sacrifice in the Masse with other like and these we deny These things being well weighed wee see how iustly wee may say since the Councell of Trent as Luther did before it That vnder the Papacy is much good nay all yea the very kernell of Christianity for as much as such affirmatiues of ours at least such as concerne the foundation of Faith haue been in all ages professed by the Church of Rome it selfe The nature then of an addition being such that it doth not directly M. Hocker his discourse of iustification deny but by consequence at the most that if that which is added bee such a priuation as taketh away the very essence of that whereunto it is added then by sequell it ouerthroweth wee
not sufficient to proue them eyther no Church at all holding as they doe fundamentall truth or a Church not so farre forth sanctified as they hold the same Which wee hope shall appeare plainely and clearely to all CHAP. II. What we thinke of those that line in the Communion of the Church of Rome ALthough I thinke it more needefull for euery man in particular to worke out his owne saluation than to be curious to know the estates of others and apprehending the mercy of God to his owne soule to cry out Domine quis ego sum Lord Iohn 21. 21. who am I that thou shouldest regard me with such fauour rather than like Pâ—ter of Iohn to aske Domine hic autem quid Master what shall hee doe as being too sollicitous of others Neuerthelesse wee who enioy the liberty of the Gospell cannot haue a better occasion to magnifie the goodnesse of God than by remembring Egypt from whence wee are deliuered nor they who are yet detained in the house of Bondage than by seeing their danger to hasten thence Errour in Religion may be no lesse pernicious to the soules of men than sinfulnesse of life and therefore doth so farre forth without Repentance exclude from all possibility of saluation The state of the Church of Rome not only now but for many hundred yeares past hath beene such that the Religion thereof in many parts of it hath beene hereticall and erroneous both for opinion and practice And therefore though the condemnation of some were more tolerable than of others some being Authors others receiuers some Masters others Schollers yet to all without exception from the idiot and handy-crafts man to the Pope and the Colledge of Cardinals plagues were due to our forefathers though they did but erroneously practise what the guides heretically taught If the blinde leade the blinde both fall into the pit of destruction Wee see the danger they all were in from the greatest to the least But was there no way of escape That which I named before Repentance only Repentance may be eyther actuall or generall Actuall Repentance is necessary for all knowne faults for those which wee through ignorance admit a generall Repentance will finde place with God By M. Hooker his discourse of iustification vertue whereof as many as hold the foundation which is precious though they hold it but weakely and as it were with a slender threed although they frame many base and vnsuitable things vpon it things that cannot abide the tryall of the fire yet shall they passe the fiery triall and be saued which indeed haue builded themselues vpon the rocke which is the foundation of the Church Our Fathers then holding the foundation of Faith which for the present I assume I doubt not but God was mercifull to saue thousands of them liuing in Popish superstitions in as much as they sinned ignorantly Yet do we not hereupon make Ignorance the Mother of Deuotion as it is obiected by some because we make â—urtenâ— 7. Vials them nearer to saluation who are held in errour not knowing it than those which pertinaciously defend it being knowne whose very want of learning may by accâ—dent conduce 〈…〉 cum liteâ—â—â— in â—arathrâ—m 〈◊〉 to their eternall good and make a way for them to the mercy of God whiles the others are left without excuse Nor yet because wee hope that God might be mercifull to some that liued in times of errour and blindnesse which it were no impiety to thinke though we had no reason for it are we of opinion That a man may bee saued in any Religion which to Bâ—rtoâ— iâ—id haue named only is sufficient refutation But to conclude let none embolden themselues vpon the mercy of God exhibited to our Fathers there is not the same reason of them and of vs they sinned ignorantly but the truth is now layd before our eyes they might bee saued by a generall Repentance for vs actuall Repentance is needfull Now the voyce from Heauen sounds more shrill in our eares than euer it did Come out of Apoc. 18. 4. her my people that yee be not partakers of her sins and that yee receiue not of her plagues This then beeing premised I will come nearer to the matter in hand viz. Whether they say well who affirme the Church of Rome to bee no true Church and if the Church of Rome deny the foundation of Faith CHAP. III. What we vnderstand by Church here THis terme of Church is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ambiguous and of doubtfull sense none more The ambiguity of the word hath serued some as a fit cloake vnder which they might both shroud their sleights and impostures and likewise â—vâ—nt their deceitfull wares Thus our Aduersaries of the Church of Rome vse the name oâ— the Church like Gorgons head to affright the simple and bring them into subiection no otherwise than the Iewes of old cryed the Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord who themselues of all others had most sacrilegiously polluted it And the Turkes at this day bragge of themselues that they are Muselmanni that is The only true beleeuers who hate euen to the very death Christ and Christian Religion Vnto others who delighted to find out the truth it hath giuen occasion more accurately to distinguish that they might neither enthrall themselues to euery company which boast themselues to bee the Church nor yet withdraw their due reuerence and obedience from the true Church when they haue found her out The word Ecclesia which signifies 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Church in the latitude of the sense thereof may be applyed to signifie any company or congregation any combination or faction whatsoeuer but strictly taken and as it is ordinarily vsed in Scripture by the Church we vnderstand Gods Company the Congregation of the faithfull men called forth and set apart from the â—est of the world which the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 imports and become the Lords peculiar Now the Church which is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the Lords portion or houshold hath a double acceptation there is the Church inuisible and the visible Church The Saints in heauen which are the Church triumphant and the true beleeuers vpon earth which are the Church militant these together make vp the inuisible Church which we call inuisible because for one part of it those which are dead in the Lord and receiued into Abrahams bosome they are farre remote from our sense wee see them not The true beleeuers vpon earth which make the other part of the inuisible Church howsoeuer wee are conuersant amongst them and behold their persons yet whether they bee indeede such as to vs they seeme is more than we can know and that their names are written in the Booke of life is a thing past our discerning The visible Church comprehendeth all Christians as many as farre and neare throughout the whole world are baptized into the name of Christ and professe the same
this â—endeth Those irreproueable laâ—ours which the present age admireth and posteritie shall rather â—nuie than equall That admirable facultie wherewithall the Author of â—uerie good gift hath blessed our most heauenly Prelate aboue all the â—onnes of men all is blowne away with a puffe as if it were nothing but froth and to what end but to eleuate his authorite and by bringing his â—erson into dis-esteeme to eneruate â—is writings This is the artifice wherwithall some men at once doe thrust out others and worke themselues into the estimation of the common people But if Wit and Rhetorick be banished what shall succeed in the stead thereof why sound reason and substantiall demonstration Buâ— are these incompatible or is it noâ— Rhetorique argumentatiue as well â— Logick did not Zeno compare Logiâ— to the fist and Rhetorique to the opeâ— hand the one a more strict the other indeed a more apert way â— reasoning and by so much doth Rhetorique the Queene of humane anâ— excell Logicke by how much thâ— open hand is a more elegant form than the shut Hee was some bodâ— â—aâ—rentius 〈◊〉 that thought hee could conuinâ— of error most of the Philosopherâ— for that they wanted Elegancie â— speech Ac mea quidem sententia saiâ— Praâ—at ad lib. 4. 〈◊〉 he si quis ad scribendum in Thedogia accedat parui refort an aliquaâ— aliam facultatem affer at an non niâ—â— enim fere catera conferunt at qui ignarus cloquentiae est hunc indignum â—rorsus qui de Theologia loquatur existimo et certè sols eloquentes columnae Ecclesiae sunt etiam vt ab Apostolis vsque repetas inter quos mihi Paulus nulla alia re eminere quam eloquentia videtur In my opinion if a man come to write in Diuinitie it greatly mattereth not whether hee bring any other facultie or no but if hee bee not Eloquent â—aur Valla. ib. 〈…〉 aâ—ter loqu◠〈◊〉 cogitationes suas liteâ—iâ— mandat in Theologia praesertim â—mpudentissimus est siid conâ—â—â—â—â— sacere se art insamsamus quanquam 〈◊〉 est qui nolâ—te leganter facunde dicere quod cum 〈◊〉 non continâ—iâ— videri volunâ— vt sunt pâ—rueâ—â—â— nâ—lâ—â— aut 〈…〉 debere sic 〈◊〉 he is vnworthy to speake thereof for they are Eloquent men which are the pillars of the Church if wee looke backe to the verie Apostles amongst whom St. Paul excelleth in Eloquence And againe To presume to write Diuinitie without eloquence is impudencie and if it be purposely done madnesse although there is no man but would expresse his conceipts in clegancie of speech which because some cannot attain vnto they pretend such is their peruersenesse that they will not or indeed that they ought not so to speake Let vs then see what discourse that is which hath in it neither finenesse nor wit nor Rhetorique But you will say wee shalâ— haue sound reason and demonstratiue proofe in steed thereof So we hearâ— tell But I assure thee Reader if thou weigh it iudiciously thou wilâ— finde but a little wooll for this greaâ— cry and as the Prouerb saith Pro thesauro carbones in stead â—â— treasure coales and some of them so hot that they burne our fingers iâ— we touch them CHAP. III. Mr. Burtons Argument answered touching the Markes of a true CHVRCH TO come to the disputation iâ— selfe I finde but onely one passage which is like an Argument for the rest that wee may see how good â—n Orator he is in causa Iudiciaâ—â— hee amplifies before hee proues and to shew vs his skill in Logicke he proues that which is granted him inueighing against the impieties of the Church of Rome wherein so long as he speakes the words of soberâ—esse and truth no man will bee his Aduersarie and shewing how iniurious their Doctrines are to the Foundation of our Faith by consequent ouerthrowing it which is nothing to the purpose His onely Argument which hee produceth is delâ—uered in this forme A true visible 7. Vialls p. 34. Church hath the true Markes of a true Visible Church namely pure and sound Doctrine and the Sacraments administred according to Christ his holy institution but these Markes are not to bee found vpon the Church of Rome therefore shee is no true Church This Argument he professeth to take Ibid. from the Doctrine of the Church of England if the Homilies containe any part thereof If Mr. Burton doe doubt of that wee can succour him with the nineteenth Article of Religion the vnquestionable doctrine of our Church where the same words are For answer whereunto we professe that wee esteeme these tokens such genuine Markes of the true Church of God that the more apparant they are in her the more glorious shee is in his sight and the more perfect in respect of her selfe And herewithall wee iustly defend ouâ—selues against the whole Antichristian Band that so long as wee haue that Doctrine which Christ and hiâ— Apostles deliuered vnto his Church purely taught amongst vs and the holy Sacraments rightly administred it is not the want of their vnwritten rotten traditions vnwritten truthes vntrue writings which can take away from vs the Appellation of a true Church Yet we know that these markes are not so essentiall to the true Church that so soone as vnsound Doctrine is mingled with the truth of Gods Word and the Sacraments vnduely administred that which was a Church should cease to bee one The Children of Israel did abide many dayes without a Sacrifice and Ephod c. yet then Hos 3. 4. did not God cease to bee their God nor they to bee his Church The Perkins Cases of Conscience Booke 2. Chap. c. quest 1. Sacrament of Baptisme saith one of note in the lawfull vse thereof is a note whereby the true Church of God is dâ—scerned and distinguished from the false Church not that the Church of God cannot bee a Church without the Sacrament for it may want Baptisme for a time and yet remaine a true Church as well as the Church of the Iewes in ancient times wanted Circumcision for the space of forty yeares Iosh 5. 6. and yet ceased not to bee a true Church and loued of God Thus he Besides wee are giuen to vnderstand See Rogers on the nineteenth Article prop. 8 by the authorized Commentary vpon the Confession of our Church that although the Church of England make these the Markes of the Visible Church yet doth she not so strictly tye the Church to the signes articulate as if all were excluded the Church which doe not rightly participate of the Word and Sacraments for it may fall out that they may bee corrupted as in the times of blindenesse and superstition or intermitted as in persecution Thus this Argument alledged concludes affirmatiuely Wheresoeuer Gods Word is purely preached and the Sacraments duely administred there is a true Church but not negatiuely Wheresoeuer these are not found in such sort as were to be desired there is no
will destroy much poyson Many drinke of the Cup in the hand of the Mother of Fornications though some take deeper draughts than others to some of them which take downeâ— withall some reasonable portion oâ— Fundamentall truth by the mercy of God it may be an Antidote to expell the poyson from their hearts and striue so long with it till it quâ—â—â— ouercome it that so that may bee fulfilled which our Lord promiseâ— as a signe to follow those that beleeued on his Name That thougâ— Mark â—6 18. they should drinke any deadly thiâ—â— it should not hurt them Now yoâ— Comparison of extracting the spiritâ— iâ—id pa. 37. of Fundamentall truth through 〈◊〉 Popes Limbecke till nothing bee 〈◊〉 but a dead Vappa is very vnapt Foâ— they that distill reserue that pure substance which they extract for theâ— vse casting away that which remaineth as vnprofitable So that by thiâ— Popery should refine not pollute tâ—â— truth of God Thus vnhappy aâ—â— you in your similitudes all along But good God what spirit possesseth this man that hee thus chasetâ— our Diuine and harmelesse Bishop who doth not so much argue for truth as beautifie and adorne it We all know that similitudes are brought to illustrate that which is already proued or taken for granted in the iudgement of the wisest no man vseth them as Arguments Our Reuerend Prelate intended not a disputation or if any not against any but the Romish Church How commeth it to passe that while hee forcibly bends himselfe against them he is by mis-construction made to plead for them and all his louely similitudes set vpon the racke as if they nourished some vnheard off monster When hee perceiued that vpon the first Edition of his Booke some as hee well hoped through ignorance rather â—han obstinacy were offended hee straight way addresseth himselfe to relieue those whom hee had no way harmed rectifying their iudgements that will yeelde to instruction and by a iudicious Apologie fully satisfying the truth and all that are impartiall louers thereof here hee speaketh home to the matter and leaueth no scruple vnresolued In this Mr. Burton can bee content to gleane taking vp now and then a sentence yet propounding more than he answers but for the former discourse hee lets not a tittle thereof fall to the ground vnsifted answering twenty lines with twenty pages But could neither his grauity his place nor his well-deseruings of the Church preuaile for him but he must needes come vnder the ferule or hath hee onely faulted in this kinde Surely no but furious persons strike them that come first in their way But what superstition doth your Limbecke extract out of the Similitude pâ—â— 38. taken from Papinians ruled case That a sacred place loseth not the holinesse with the demolished walls Doth the Reuerend Bishop intend any thing but this That whatsoeuer is once dedicated to God ought not for euer to bee alienated it still in despite of malice and profanenesse remaineth his to whom it was intitled What haue wee then now to doe with beliuesse infused or affixed by any solemne act of consecration and for edifying the Faith of Christians he hath oftentimes like a true Scribe instructed for the Kingdome of Heauen brought out of his treasures both old and new Prouision for that purpose and is not yet drawne dry Comparisons as all other parts of learning he knoweth how to vse in their due place rather to helpe the vnderstanding than to beget Faith CHAP. V. Whether the diuorce bee sued out on Gods part or on the Church of Romes part THe Bishop goeth on If the Church of Rome were once the Spouse of â—hrist and her Adulteries are knowne yet the diuorce is not sued out that is Though she haue rebelled against God and on her part broken his Couenant yet hee hath not quite reiected her as yet Against this Mr. Buâ—ton takes in hand to proue pa. 3â— that on both parts this diuorce is formally sued out On her part because pa. 40. 41. c. faith he shee hath in the face of Men and Angels openly plainely expresly denyed Christ for her Husband For proofe whereof wee haue a Bull of Pope Pius 4. produced at large and from thence hee is not ashamed to affirme that Christ is therein as solemnly pa. 42. renounced as wee in our Baptisme renounce the Diuell and all his workes when there is not so much as one word or syllable of renouncing Christ there mentioned But this will come more fitly to bee examined anon when wee enquire how Christ is denyed in the Councell of Trent In the meane time let vs enquire how on Christs part the â—iuorce is sued out And that is in the Book of the Reuelation where she is called the Whoore and Come out of her my People pa. 43. c. Whence it is inferred If she bee Babylon If she be the Whoore shee is no longer Christs Spowse Answ Not onely of Israel but of Iudah was it said that the faithfull Esay 1. City was become a Harlot And God by his Prophets expostulates with them calling them a generation of Miscreants Witches children the seede of the Adulterer and the Whoore yet it cannot bee denied Esay 57. 3. but the Sheepe of his Visible flocke they continued euen in the depth of their disobedience and rebellion Now if it seeme strange to any that the Church of God while she playeth the Whoore should still be his Wife let them know that the Visible Church is but equiuocally called the Spowse of Christ For properly the Church Inuisible the Mysticall body of Christ is onely his true Spowse and shee is a pure Virgin without spot or wrinkle beeing washed in the blood of the Lamb. Those that outwardly professing Christ make vp the Visible Church we charitably presume to be members of his mysticall bodie for which cause wee call them his Spouse also But when wee speake of Babylon and the Whore in the Reuelation and apply it to Rome wee denie absolutely that the Church of Rome is Babylon that is all those which liuing in that Religion make vp one If thereby wee vnderstand a companie of mâ—n but if Babyâ—on bee a â—lace then we must vnderstaâ—d thereby the â—â—â— of Antichrist Bodie or Societie but * Bablyon is a faction in that Church Are not the Whore and Antichrist the same Now what can be more absurd than to thinke the whole Church of Rome The Antichrist Antichrist was to seduce those that dwell vpon the face of the earth the Whore was to bewitch the nations now the Seducer and the Seduced the witch and the bewitched are not one As I take it we are to reioice at the downefall of the Whore but God forbid that wee should reioice at the Destruction of euery member of the Church of Rome but rather with teares beseech God for their conuersion And therefore good M. Burton now the learned Bishops distinction takes not place