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A04491 A dialoge describing the originall ground of these Lutheran faccions, and many of their abuses, compyled by syr William Barlow chanon, late byshop of Bathe; Dyaloge descrybyng the orygynall ground of these Lutheran faccyons, and many of theyr abusys Barlow, William, d. 1568. 1553 (1553) STC 1462; ESTC S101046 40,661 178

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go from hys opynyon Wherefore after a sufficient delyberation seynge he woulde tourne by no meanes sentence was geuen that he shoulde be burned N. In good faythe well worthy but was he burned in deede W. No. For when he shoulde haue gone to the place of execution accordynge to the vsaunce of the countrye he was first brought before the towne howse and there his artycles recyted He was asked whether they were the very same which he hadde affyrmed before them He aunswered ye Howbeit nowe he sayd God hath opened my ignoraunce I acknowlege me slaunderousely to haue erred askynge you all forgyuenes I beleue perfytely that Jesus Chryst is my sauyour and am redy in his fayth to suffre thys deth prepared for me The lordes then where as they had giuen sentence that he shuld haue ben burned for a more easye deth they assigned him to be be hedyd whereof he thanked thē and went towarde the place of iustyce patiently takynge hys death with great repentaunce N. This may be a good admonisshment that men shoulde not be so wauerynge in fayth as to geue credence in all thinges to any persone for the onely pretence of exterioure holines in as muche as the deuyll can transfygure hym selfe into an angels lykenes and a false peruerter take vppon hym the offyce of a trewe Apostle Moreouer I consider by your cōmunicacyon and playne experyence here rehearsed that yf the frowarde sturdynes of vnruly people were not restrayned by lawes prohibitions sharpe punyshmentes euery common weale woulde be sone subuerted and the whole world come to noughte W. As for that ye may take example not farre hens at the county of Emdone in East Fryselande where the earle ruler of the county fyrste receyuyng Martyn Luthers doctryne afterwarde Oecolampadius opynion suffered his people to read all maner of Bookes and to be of what so euer secte or opynion they would without any restraynt Shortelye after one of theyr cheife preachers whiche hadde bene a freer obseruante a man of subtyle learnynge and pleasaunt speache hyghlye estemed among the people beganne to preache in openne audience agaynst the blessed trinitie sayenge that there was but one person one God and that our Sauyour Christe was a creature as we are a pure man and not God but hauynge goddes spyryte This caused not a lyttle dyscorde betwene the preachers and the people for many of the country leaned vnto him takynge his parte so stronglye that the earle was fayne to banyshe hym oute of hys domynion all be it hys pestyferous sede remayned styl Then cam thither doctour Baltazar and after hym Carolstadius bryngynge in the faction of the Anabaptistes to y● augmentinge of greater confusiō For wher as some christened theyr chyldren theyr next neyghbours wolde not one condemnyng another with dedly hatred The meane ●eason a certayne skynner of Denmarke in the Dukedome of Holsatye where Martyne Luthers doctryne was onely in strength preched Oecolampadius opinion with so craftye argumentes that Martynes fame began to decreace Wherfore doctoure Pomerane was sent from Wyttenberge to dyspute agaynst hym and in conclusion obtayned the vyctorye throughe partiall fauoure as some reported of the duke and Lordes of the cytyes of Homburghe and Breame whyche immediatly commaunded that no man shulde be so hardye to contrarye or swerue from the doctryne of Martyn Luther vnder payne of banysshynge and other punysshement Thē two prechers of Breame were sent to Emdone to dyswade the earle his people from Oecolampadius opinion and from the confuse dyuersyte of other sectes also to reduce theym agayne vnto Martyn Luthers wayes The earle with his coūcell at theyr perswasyons alienated theyr mindes frō Oecolampadius streytely charging all those preachers whiche had susteyned his faction or anye other sauynge Martyn Luthers to departe oute of hys countrye by a certayne daye apoynted Then was it a wonder to se what murmuration grudge and rumoure of sedycion was amonge the people not withoute lykelyhed of fallynge together by the eares insurrection agaynste theyr prynce had not he sought prouydent meanes to pacyfy thē This cōtinued no longe space but letters came from Argentyne Basyle zyricke Bearne and from many persons of notable erudition after theyr estemynge also from the prynce of Hesse aduertisyng the earle wyth seryous exhortation to call home agayne the preachers of Oecolampadius factiō and reprehendyng his sodayn mutabylytie from theyr institute so apparente by manyfest coniectures to preuayle aboue the other At whose importune requestes and subtyle instygacyons he chaunged yet agayne hys purpose and gaue the Oecolampadian preachers licence to returne into theyr olde places and lybertie to preache as they were before accustomed commaunding silence vnto the other or elles auoydaunce of his countrye Lo thus may ye se what varyable inconstancye and sondry mutations of condemned heresyes hath ensued with euident confusion where as people be deuided from the v●itye of the christen church contemne to walke after the wholsome decrees of catholike fathers wrestynge the ryght sence of scryptures vnto theyr crooked ymaginacyons And specyallye where the brydle of sensualite is set at large to the sturdye frowardnes of sedicyous subiectes sometime by the effeminat tēdernes of princes so negligētly regarded y● afterwarde theyr fearfull rygour is scant able to redresse it which hath bene the lamentable dekay of the Boemes and is now the ruynous myscheife of the hye Almaynes not vnlykely to be the desolation of christendome yf remedy be not founde in season N. Sauynge your pacyence me thought ye declared here y● the Land graue of Hesse is a fauourer of Swinglius Oecolampadius who wyth his people as I vnderstande admytteth Martyn Luthers wayes and none other W. I wyll not denye but he maynteyneth styl Martyn Luthers doctryne albeit synce the dysputation was before hym he hath fauoured so greatlye the opynion of Oecolampadius and Swinglius y● were it not as I deme for feare of displeasynge hys confederate cosyne the duke of Saxony and frentyke perturbation of Martyn Luther he wolde haue sustayned it openlye ere this tyme. Wytnesse the gloryous comendation vnto their faces whiles they were present and synguler preferremēt of thē amonge hys famylyer counsellers also hys beneuolent lyberalytie at theyr departyng wyth letters afterward betwyxe thē farsed full of paynted prayses ī theyr absence N. I beseche you when and vnder what maner was thys dysputation W. In the yere of our Lord. 1528. the prince of Hesse in his cheife cyte of Marburge caused there to be assembled Martin Luther Melancton Oecolāpadius Swinglius Capito Butzer wyth many other of y● most famous clerkes of the Lutheranes and Oecolampadianes the Anabaptistes onely excluded where dyuers artycles were doubtfully proponed to y● nomber of .xv. whyche before tyme hadde bene discussed and clerely determyned in general counselles of the vnyuersall church And when they had by longe processe vnfrutefully disputed aboute the iustificacion of fayth without good works of baptysme and other questyons vpon
which they had written whole bokes yet in y● ende were they driuen to the old determinatiō of the churche saue least theyr wrytynges shoulde seme in vayne theyr assemblynge to be ydie they founde out some contrariety of so slender importancye that mē may playnlye iudge in them other inuyncyble arrogance disdaynynge to be reformed or elles obstynate malyce sekyng for y● nones to impugne the trewth Concerninge the sacrament of the altare wherin rested the princypall matter of theyr disputation they greately varyed and coulde by no meanes agree Howe be it they concluded at laste that eche parte holdyng them contente with theyr beleife should departe in louynge frendshyppe without any odyous wrytinge frō thence forth one agaynst another N. whether of them obtayned the vyctory W. They deuyded it betwene theym whyle they were presente But sone after theyr departyng the Lutheranes ascribed it to Martyn Luther and contrarye the Oecolompadianes vnto Oecolampadius and Swynglyus N. Use they such crafty conueyaunce in promotyng theyr Gospell W. ye hardely and that without any shame when they be detected of it inforsyng men agaynst their wylles to be fautours of theyr heresyes Dyd not No●iomagus gather certayne sentences out of Erasmus workes which falsely depraued he coupled vnto Martyn Luthers assertions and caused them to be imprynted blasyng abrode that Erasmus and Luther were of one opynion to the slaunderous hynderaunce of his profytable studye of whome after muche other detraction he was not ashamed to craue subsedye in his beggarly indygence Also Butzer playd a lyke pageante with Pomeran in translating his Psalter out of latyne into the Almayne tonge For wher he aspyed any occasion to treat of the blessed Sacramente he plucked out Pomerans sentēces and graffed in his own after no compendyous fashyon which as sone as they were en prynted the fame noysed ouer all that Pomerane vnknowynge to hym was one with the Oecolampadianes whyche afterwarde he apartely detested in dyuers epystles dyscoueryng the false hod of Butzer Suche subtyll dryftes I may tell you among them is daylye not vnpractised N. Well ye haue here rehersed many thinges agaynst them wherein yf I and suche other wold geue credēce vnto your sayinges wythoute surmyse of percialite we shuld sone turne oure affection from theyr learnynge But seyng ye haue bene a fauourer of them and per aduenture bothe spoken and wrytten as largely as the rankest of them all whome ye nowe call heretykes fayne woulde I wyt what mocioned you to take it in hande so earnestlye and now to shyft your selfe from it so lyghtelye W. To shew you the truthe withoute dissimulation howe I was entyced vnto theyr faction the verye begynnynge was this I had redde certayn treatyses of Martyn Luther of the iustifycacion onelye by fayth wythoute good deedes how man had no free wyl how oure good workes auayled vs nothynge to be saued nother oure yll deedes shoulde cause vs to be damned and many other articles whiche he falsely presumed to ground vpon scripture Also I dylygentlye noted howe he descrybed the abuses of Popes Cardinalles byshoppes preistes and relygious personnes declarynge howe the present dekay of the church farre differed from the perfectyon of the Apostles and holy fathers at the fyrst begin nynge wherin he made no lye though in other thīges he spared the truthe Furthermore geuyng eare to the plesaūt rumoures of his reformations highly cōmended amōg new fāgled people it set myne harte so on fyre y● I could not rest vntyll I had bene there with thē After that I had sene Martin Luther Pomerane Melancton heard theyr prechinges perceyuyng theyr order there in Saxonye I went into hye Almayne vnto the Oecolampadians remaynynge there amonge theym was oftentymes conuersaunt with the Anabaptistes In the meane space I sawe many wonderfull alterations as destroyenge of monasteryes pluckynge downe of churches castynge out of ymages breakynge of aultars and caryeng the consecrate stones to the buyldynge of theyr bulwarkes also maryages of prestes monkes freers nonnes contempte of holy dayes anullynge of vygyles fastynge of the lent and embrynge dayes clene reiecte with other laudable ordynaunces instytute by the churche Al places of scripture where mencyon is made of Antichrist false prophetes maysters of lyes such other ▪ they violently applyed vnto y● clergye namynge theym selfe chrysten bretherne dyscyples of Christe and apostles of hys Gospell In denyenge purgatorye and auctorite of y● pope yf they founde in auncyent auctours as much as a corrupte tytle of a pystle sownynge any thynge to theyr purpose all be it the Epystle selfe made whole agaynst it yet wold they take it as the worde of god and sure reuelation of the spyryte Contrarye wyse yfanye alledged Austen Hierome Cypryane or Chrysostome agaynste them they wolde admytte theyr sentences for none auctoryte sayenge they were men all men were lyers In like maner concernynge the sacrament of the aultare where they redde in doctours of the spyrytuall eatynge and ghostelye beynge they onelye accepted that and vnder the coloure therof they woulde exclude the corporall eatynge and bodelye presence of Christ to the establysshinge of theyr blasphemous errors whiche they shadowed vnder the couerte of hypocrysye and persuasions of peruerted scriptures in suche wyse that openlye seyng I could not perceiue them vntyll it pleased God of his inest●mable goodnes to brynge me oute of the lande of darckenes and region of deth vnto the clerenes of his knowledge lyuyng lyght of truth I can not excuse me but amōg the wycked I endeuored my selfe to haue doone euyll but God so mercyfullye preuented me that it came to small effecte in doynge anye harme If I haue bene occasion of any mannes fall or cause of slaunder I am sorye for it and aske forgeuenes Notwythstandynge I neuer defended any opinion obstinately nether despised the admonycyon of any vertuous person that I haue erred was through ignoraunce and of no malicious pertynacite Where ye be in perplexitie of credence geuyng vnto my words I am sure if that I spake accordynge to your appetite ye would put no dyffydence in me whether I said the verite or lyed for it is a playne case amonge the fauourers of these newe sectes that they wyl refuse no forged tales makyng aught for theyr syde be they neuer so fals And seyng ye beleued me in errour ye oughte not to mystruste me nowe in my faythfull reuocacion voluntarye and not coacted N. Clearely many men presuppose that other ye be deluded by y● flatteryng perswasyon of some worldlye persons or elles vtterly geuen into a reprobate mynde throughe gredye desyre of yearthly promotion and appetyte of ydle lyuynge W. It is not in my power to stoppe y● wronge surmyse or mysse reporte agaynst me now enemy vnto theyr errours whyles they abuse the same to y● frendes of theyr heresyes namely where as Sathan is loosed at large and the lyenge goste the spyryte of vntrueth walketh at lyberty vnrestreyned Woulde God they were as prest to