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say_v not_o as_o though_o only_a tear_n will_v serve_v but_o peteâ—_n open_v not_o his_o mouth_n lest_o so_o quick_a request_v of_o pardon_n may_v more_o offend_v first_o we_o must_v weep_v and_o then_o request_n but_o a_o plain_a place_n to_o know_v what_o s._n ambrose_n think_v of_o penance_n and_o satisfaction_n be_v his_o whole_a book_n to_o the_o virgin_n that_o have_v break_v her_o vow_n and_o namely_o these_o word_n 84._o ambro._n ad_fw-la virg_n lapsan_n ca._n 8._o pur._n 84._o grande_n sâ—elus_fw-la grandem_fw-la habet_fw-la necessariam_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la for_o a_o pass_a great_a crime_n be_v necessary_a a_o pass_v great_a satisfaction_n which_o word_n import_v none_o other_o thing_n you_o say_v but_o that_o a_o heinous_a offence_n must_v be_v earnest_o bewail_v if_o repentance_n be_v not_o counterfeit_v as_o though_o he_o there_o doubt_v lest_o her_o repentance_n be_v counterfeit_v and_o not_o earnest_a say_v yet_o unto_o she_o tu_fw-la quae_fw-la iam_fw-la 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but_o also_o every_o private_a man_n may_v not_o pardon_v such_o kind_n of_o satisfaction_n as_o the_o sinner_n owe_v to_o he_o and_o hold_v himself_o content_v with_o as_o little_a as_o he_o listen_v therefore_o to_o omit_v this_o he_o assure_v she_o you_o say_v as_o cyprian_a in_o his_o sermon_n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la do_v the_o fall_v man_n of_o his_o time_n that_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n be_v proper_a unto_o god_n only_o and_o follow_v not_o of_o necessity_n the_o sentence_n of_o man_n but_o the_o sentence_n of_o man_n ought_v to_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o god_n 73._o pur._n 73._o allude_v belike_o to_o the_o place_n where_o somewhat_o afore_o you_o allege_v cyprian_a &_o gather_v of_o his_o word_n that_o not_o only_o he_o plain_o deni_v that_o absolute_a &_o sovereign_a authority_n of_o man_n which_o m._n allen_n affirm_v but_o also_o declare_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o satisfaction_n of_o god_n to_o wit_n inward_a and_o hearty_a conversion_n the_o two_o place_n in_o deed_n be_v like_a although_o the_o fall_n of_o that_o
his_o foundation_n of_o purgatory_n though_o in_o other_o place_n contrary_v yourself_o after_o your_o manner_n you_o say_v it_o be_v somewhat_o rifely_a bud_v up_o in_o his_o time_n yea_o and_o thorough_o finish_v and_o to_o prove_v this_o his_o pretence_a doubtfulness_n you_o allege_v four_o book_n of_o he_o enchir._n ad_fw-la laur._n cap._n 69._o ad_fw-la octo_fw-la dulc._n quaest_n q._n 1._o de_fw-fr fide_fw-la &_o open_a ca._n 16._o and_o de_n civi_fw-la dei_fw-la li._n 21._o ca._n 26._o in_o all_o which_o place_n he_o repeat_v one_o say_v as_o d._n allen_n note_v before_o you_o answer_v it_o most_o clear_o and_o show_v against_o this_o pretence_a uncertayntie_a of_o his_o that_o not_o only_o in_o other_o book_n but_o in_o all_o the_o same_o book_n also_o and_o almost_o in_o the_o very_a same_o chapter_n 118._o pur._n 118._o he_o hold_v as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o be_v believe_v of_o all_o christian_a man_n that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_a do_v release_v 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be_v cleanse_v by_o temporal_a torment_n and_o prayer_n of_o the_o holy_a one_o which_o declaration_n of_o d._n allens_n be_v so_o evident_a that_o yourself_o be_v compel_v to_o say_v 121._o pur._n 110.196_o aug._n ciu_o li._n 20._o c._n 25._o li._n 21._o c._n 13.24_o pur._n 121._o howbeit_o 21._o book_n c._n 13._o of_o the_o same_o work_n de_fw-fr ci_fw-fr dei_fw-la he_o conclude_v very_o clere_o and_o that_o upon_o the_o text_n mal._n 3._o esa_n 4._o mat._n 12._o that_o some_o suffer_v temporal_a pain_n after_o this_o life_n this_o may_v not_o be_v deny_v and_o yet_o that_o in_o the_o same_o book_n he_o be_v uncertain_a you_o have_v so_o plain_a word_n that_o you_o suppose_v d._n allen_n never_o read_v the_o place_n in_o augustine_n own_o book_n but_o only_o receive_v his_o note_n of_o some_o elder_n papist_n that_o have_v spend_v more_o time_n in_o gather_v they_o but_o have_v not_o such_o audacity_n to_o utter_v they_o as_o m_n allen._n who_o but_o you_o can_v or_o will_v for_o 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therefore_o be_v not_o burn_v up_o quia_fw-la non_fw-la ea_fw-la dilexit_fw-la quorum_fw-la amissione_n crucietur_fw-la because_o he_o do_v not_o love_v those_o thing_n with_o the_o loss_n whereof_o to_o be_v torment_v and_o of_o this_o purgatory_n s._n augustine_n be_v uncertain_a as_o it_o be_v in_o deed_n very_o doubtful_a say_v d._n allen_n to_o this_o day_n also_o 119._o pur._n 119._o not_o only_o because_o we_o know_v not_o whether_o such_o worldly_a lawful_a affection_n do_v remain_v in_o the_o elect_a soul_n depart_v but_o also_o because_o nothing_o but_o sin_n and_o the_o debt_n of_o sin_n seem_v to_o endanger_v the_o soul_n to_o any_o pain_n whether_o it_o be_v poena_fw-la sensus_fw-la or_o only_o poena_fw-la damni_fw-la whereupon_o to_o say_v the_o truth_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o more_o probable_a although_o s._n augustine_n incline_v more_o to_o the_o other_o side_n that_o there_o be_v not_o any_o such_o purgatory_n but_o rather_o that_o after_o full_a penance_n for_o sin_n 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the_o say_v primitive_a true_a church_n also_o with_o sundry_a error_n wherewith_o he_o neither_o do_v nor_o will_v nor_o can_v charge_v us._n ¶_o chapter_n 5._o what_o reason_n he_o render_v why_o they_o in_o those_o ancient_a time_n have_v the_o true_a church_n notwithstanding_o these_o their_o error_n ¶_o chapter_n 6._o a_o answer_n first_o to_o all_o the_o foresay_a error_n wherewith_o he_o have_v charge_v the_o church_n of_o the_o first_o 600._o year_n &_o afterward_o likewise_o to_o all_o error_n that_o he_o lay_v to_o the_o church_n of_o these_o late_a time_n his_o zeal_n in_o answer_v for_o caluine_n and_o other_o be_v in_o deed_n of_o his_o church_n the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o chapter_n concern_v the_o error_n that_o he_o lay_v cap._n 3._o part_n 2._o both_o to_o the_o father_n and_o to_o us._n 1._o of_o cross_n and_o image_n 2._o of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o worship_v of_o their_o relic_n 3._o of_o abstinence_n from_o fleshmeate_n and_o from_o marriage_n 4._o of_o ceremony_n 5._o of_o sacrifice_n and_o for_o the_o dead_a purgatory_n and_o purgatory_n fire_n prayer_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o oblation_n for_o the_o dead_a beeres_n to_o carry_v home_o the_o corpse_n the_o second_o parte_fw-la concern_v the_o error_n that_o he_o lay_v cap._n 4._o to_o the_o father_n &_o not_o to_o us._n 1._o touch_v the_o heresy_n which_o be_v in_o their_o time_n 2._o touch_v the_o error_n of_o s._n cyprian_n s._n irenee_n and_o s._n justinus_n 3._o touch_v second_a marriage_n and_o s._n jerome_n 4._o touch_v pray_n to_o the_o son_n and_o to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 5._o of_o minister_a the_o b._n sacrament_n to_o infant_n the_o three_o part_n concern_v the_o error_n that_o he_o lay_v to_o the_o church_n of_o late_a time_n and_o not_o of_o old_a 1._o touch_v the_o body_n of_o angel_n 2._o touch_v the_o pope_n superiority_n over_o the_o council_n 3._o touch_v the_o constance_n counsel_n presumption_n 4._o touch_v certain_a false_a interpretation_n of_o scripture_n ¶_o chapter_n 7._o that_o he_o have_v no_o other_o shift_n against_o our_o manifold_a evidence_n so_o clear_a they_o be_v but_o the_o name_n of_o only_a scripture_n as_o well_o about_o each_o controversy_n as_o also_o about_o the_o meaning_n of_o scripture_n itself_o &_o how_o timorous_a he_o make_v we_o &_o how_o bold_a he_o ber_v himself_o thereupon_o the_o first_o part_n how_o he_o except_v by_o only_a scripture_n against_o all_o other_o euidency_n in_o the_o controversy_n that_o be_v between_o us._n 1._o against_o the_o rule_n to_o know_v heresy_n by_o find_v the_o first_o author_n and_o their_o old_a heresy_n by_o antiquity_n by_o name_n 2._o against_o the_o apostle_n tradition_n 3_o against_o the_o true_a church_n authority_n that_o be_v against_o her_o practice_n and_o her_o judgement_n against_o her_o counsel_n against_o her_o chief_a pastor_n determination_n and_o their_o whole_a succession_n 4_o against_o the_o father_n both_o in_o general_a and_o in_o particular_a the_o second_o part_n be_v tell_v that_o the_o question_n between_o we_o be_v not_o as_o he_o make_v it_o of_o the_o scripture_n authority_n but_o of_o the_o meaning_n how_o there_o likewise_o against_o all_o expositor_n he_o take_v the_o same_o exception_n of_o only_a scripture_n require_v also_o scripture_n to_o be_v expound_v by_o scripture_n the_o three_o part_n what_o he_o mean_v by_o his_o only_a scripture_n and_o that_o thereby_o he_o except_v also_o against_o scripture_n itself_o the_o four_o part_n what_o great_a promise_n he_o make_v to_o bring_v most_o evident_a scripture_n against_o we_o and_o also_o by_o scripture_n to_o prove_v his_o sense_n of_o scripture_n triumph_v also_o before_o the_o victory_n and_o say_v that_o we_o dare_v not_o be_v try_v by_o scripture_n but_o reject_v the_o scripture_n whereupon_o