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A67420 More news from Rome, or, Magna Charta discoursed of between a poor man & his wife as also a new font erected in the cathedral-church at Gloucester in October 1663, and consecrated by the reverend moderate bishop, Dr. William Nicolson ... : as also an assertion of Dr. William Warmstrey ... wherein he affirmeth that it is a lesser sin for a man to kill his father than to refrain coming to the divine service established in the Church of England ... Wallis, Ralph, d. 1669. 1666 (1666) Wing W616; ESTC R15738 46,742 50

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Abraham the Church under the Gospel is the Seed of Abraham by Faith such as repent and believe the Gospel such as heard the VVord gladly were added unto the Church which are under the second Covenant W. Husband How do you define a Church I have heard it thus Where the Word of God is truly Preached and the Sacraments duly Administred that is a true Church H. VVife the VVord of God may be truly preached and the Sacraments duly administred and yet no true Church for first the Administrator may have no right unto the work Secondly The Persons wanting Faith have no right to the Administration But it 's Faith and Order which make a true Church according to Christ's Institution But a true Church according to that Godly Learned man Mr. Hen. Aynsworth who was never controverted by any and whose Exposition on the five Books of Moses carry esteem with men of several Judgments Prelatical aswel as others That a true Church is a People called of God by the Gospel from the world unto the Communion and Fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ in whom they are coupled and built together to be an habitation of God by his Spirit The parts of it may be easily proved being known Texts of Scripture which you are acquainted with I shall not stand upon W. Husband I have heard that the Church of England is a true Church and many Preachers have insisted on it very much to prove it to be so because of the truth of the Doctrine taught in it and the conversion of Souls by the Doctrine preached therein H. Wife and so it may be said that Rome is a true Church because there is some true Doctrine preached there and in the judgment of Charity some convereted there it followeth not that therefore Rome is a true Church And it cannot be denied but that many honest Godly men and women and good Preachers have been born and lived in the Church of England thousands of them First many that never saw the Corruptions in it Secondly some that saw them and did complain and did bear them as burdens as many may be instanced which are no warrantable Presidents for men in these times wherein the Lord doth manifest more Light for I can remember when Gospel-Institutions were not spoken of in the Country no not among old Nonconformists A third sort who saw the Corruptions in it and justly separated from it And of each sort a charitable construction is to be had Yet the Church of England as a National Church was never founded upon a right Basis or Foundation for the Constitution of it unto this day and from the first Reformation of it there hath been alwayes much dissention and when it was all of one colour in darkest times it was accounted a true Church and since it became medly it retains the name VV. Husband when did the Reformation begin first H. VVife in King Edward the sixths dayes before which there was a general inundation of Popery over the face of the Land which continued until the Reign of the said King and according to the Light which they then received they endeavoured a Reformation and compelled men to come to the Worship established by King and Parliament which is that we call Divine-Service or Common-Prayer which when the Papists in Devonshire and parts adjacent heard of they began to make some Insurrection but when they were informed that it was taken out of the Old-Church-Rubrick only translated into English they were prety well pacified The course which the King and his Councel took at that time was such as seemed best although according to the Rule of the Gospel neither could that good be done as many of them desired there being many Great Persons that did obstruct and hinder what others would have done especially of the Clergy Contrary to this King and his Council was the practice of Ethelbert King of the East Angles who when he was converted to the Faith never compelled any as Mr. Fox reports VV. Husband do you think it fit for men to be compelled to come to the Worship of God our Bishop as I heard you say in his Sermon he preached before the Judges at the Assizes urged them to put the Laws in execution that where their hand was too short he craved the assistance of the Judges he preached out of Canticles Take us the little Foxes he said he would unkennel them as fast as he could and quotes Tertullian for his Another that the Christians did compel the Heathen to their worship and further said that it was the Opinion of most of the Ancient Fathers that those which our Saviour sent forth his Disciples to call to the Supper which sate under the Hedges and High-wayes were Schismaticks and Hereticks and approved of the course that Mecoenas Alexanders Schoolmaster prescribed him which was to worship his God after a uniform way and command all others to follow his example H. Wife I could tell his Lordship when he quoted Tertullian for his Author he might have wip'd his mouth on his Lawn Sleeves for Tertullian saith no such thing and if Grotius may be credited which I read and this extracted where speaking out of the 14th of Luke from the Greek word which is rendered Coge Compel he thus saith This place doth put me in mind of an Facit hic locus me memorem eximii inter veteres Doctoris quicum antea mult is in Libris asseverasset Neminem'ad professionem Fidei cogendum qua in renihil dixerat quod ante se dixerunt Athenagorus Arnobius Minutius Tertullianus Lactantius quotquot alicujus nominis ante se vixerunt c. excellent Doctor among the Ancients who had affirmed in many Books that no man was to be compelled to the profession of the Faith in which thing he had said nothing but what Athenagorus Arnobius Minutius Tertullian Lactantius and as many as were of any Fame who had lived before them c. This place doth manifestly belong to Cum hic locus manifesto pertineat ad Gentes adhuc Fidem non professus c. the Gentiles as yet not professing the Faith And after saith that this compulsion was no other than that of our Saviours where he compelled his Disciples to enter into Ship it was Nec trahendo nec trudendo neither by drawing driving nor thursting them And whereas he saith That most of the Fathers were of that opinion that will be too hard for his Lordship to prove and to bring the wisdom of a Heathen for a Christians practice sheweth no admired wisdom And whereas he said He would unkennel the Foxes as fast as he could if all the Wolves should be unkennl'd himself with the rest of his Tribe must lie without doors But for the Modern Writers as Melancton Luther and the rest are against compulsion Luther saith Predicare anuntiare scribere volo neminem antem adigam I will preach and teach and write but I will compel no man
Bread into the Cupboard they tell us but it brings none into theirs and how that Elijah was fed by Ravens c. I remember a passage concerning a Commander who brought his Souldiers into the Field and shewed them the face of the Enemy encouraged them to go on and fight valiantly and to fear nothing although they might seem to have a sharp Breakfast he would promise them good chear for their Supper but said he I have some other occasion calls me away I must be gone Nay said one of his Souldiers taking him by the shoulden if nor Chear shall be so good pray you stay and take part with us So Wife I wish it were these Priests lots to take part with us if so excellent a thing to live by Faith but if the Means were gone which they have no Divine Right unto O how pittifully would they look as we say in a Counvey Proveth As the Dogs were wont to look on the first Friday in clean 〈◊〉 will be long enough before they wil follow the example of Paul who wrought with his hands or of Musculus the Italian who as Melchar addamus reporte wrought in the Town-ditch of Florente for two pence no day and preach'd twice every Lord's day These Pluralists drive a pretty Trade as Soul-swoping some of them and they 〈◊〉 led to it Regis 〈…〉 c. by the example of their Spiritual dams Fathers and Top-gallant-Members of the Mischief Body the Bishop The Souls of London for the Souls of Canterbury the Souls of Salisbury for the Souls of Londons the Souls of Worcester for the Souls of London for the of 〈◊〉 for the Souls of Worcester So do these Pluralists just as 〈◊〉 in effect Come what swop between 〈◊〉 and your Parsonage my Parish and yours my Souls and thy Souls The first question is What 's your Parsonage worth the second question What Fanaticks if there be any store of them the Place is much invalid worse by thirty pound by the year than a Parish which is olden Paper which a man may write what he will upon I can prove the point especially if it hath the conveniency of another Living of the Parsons or Prebends place seituate near it that 's a fair pretence Doctor Hardy hath swopt the Souls of Henly upon Thames with Mr. Cawl for a parcel of Souls in Sussex poot Cawly I doubt hath the worst on although Henly may be better yet the Fanaticks spoil all and if he can find any comfort in the place I dare Promise it 's more than they shall find by his Ministry Dr. Shirborne hath swopt Lidney in Gouceste●shire for Fownhope in Herefordshire Lidney better by 40 l. per annum Lidney hath some Fanaticks in it Fownhope clean paper Mr. Dashfield hath swopt Berkley in Gloucoftershire for Sutton-hadminton with Mr. Wood I 'le not stand to instance any more And as Horsecoursers when they have parted with a Beast never care what becomes of him so these can slip whole Diocesses and Parishes through their affections with as much facility ease as boyl'd Pease-shels or the ribs of a Tithe-Pig well roasted through their teeth without any reluctancy or remorse at all These men in regard of their Sufferings may be accounted the Prelatical Martyrs of this age and indeed it were to be desired that some good pen would take the pains to do as Mr. Fox who wrote the Acts and Monuments of the Church to register them for the benefit of future ages Undoubtedly the Book would sell well And for that purpose Mr. L'Estrange is the most fit person because he may let fly to all persone at the end of the News-Book who suffer under these heavy Pressures to send up their names together with the heavy pressures they lye under if their modesty will permit it they do not know what honour may come to their posterity or benefit thereby I could give some encouragement Mr. Tindal a Gloucester-shire-man whom Mr. Fox calls the Apostle of England born twelve miles from Gloucester what with his Sufferings and what with his Prayers for them of the Family I have not heard the like to hold out the profession of Religion in sincerity as it 's believed to this day and having much enquired it hath been credibly reported that ever since the Inheritance of the two Farms at Stinchcomb and Nibley without addition or diminution are still remaining to the Family The petty difference between Mr. Tindal and these Martyrs only thus he maintained defended the Priestly Office of Christ and sealed it with his blood these oppose his Kingly Office with their livings and their lives And forasmuch as Ichabod hath made a false relation of these Martyrs in Gloucestershire whereas he saith thus that there are forty six which is false it will be hard for him to find twenty six I can give an account of them all and shall be able to nominate them upon occasion and name but a few now the manner and after what form thus In the Primitive Persecutions under the Neroes some had Horses tied to their limbs and hal'd to pieces with those bruit Beasts some had their legs tyed unto two young Trees bended together and so were strided to death the Persecution now not so violent as the but born with as much patience as the former A Preacher speaking that good old Ja●ob had one foot in the grave another in Heaven a Scholar sitting under the Pulpit spake saying 'T was well strided so some of these are good Striders but never stride so wide Dr. William Nicholson Bishop of Gloucester strides thence to Breknock where he is Archdeacon from thence to Landelovour in Carmarthenshire where he is Parson from thence to Lansanfroid otherwise St. Winifrieds in Montgomery-shire where he hath a Presentation sine Cura without Cure or Care from thence to his Bishoprick he strides two hundred miles in and out the weight as it is conceived which lies upon him is 800l per annum besides thousands for his Crop and yet so patient in his suffering that he could willingly have submitted to have Cleeve Steeple set on Gloucester Tower seven hundred on the top of five Endeavours were used by the assistance of the right Reverend Father the Bishop of good Canterbury but could not be effected The ends aimed at were What a hansome convenient thing Gloucester would be and credict to the Church and what Hospitality might then have been afforded But let this Martyr pass for an old man and a good Strider Another of the same brood is Dr. William Warmstrey Dean of Worcester hel'd about with four bruit Beasts to Gloucester 20. miles where he is Prebond his poor Innocent Childless Wife alas what hurt hath she done that she must be hal'd about with him and that under the conduct of two men and a foot-boy She uttered a speech lately which pleased me well That now they were as safe in their condition as the Heavens could make them from Gloucester to