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A72176 A dialogue bewteene a papist and Protestant applied to the capacity of the vnlearned. Made by G. Gifford, preacher in the towne of Maldon. Seene and allowed according to the order appointed. Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1599 (1599) STC 11849.5; ESTC S125231 92,498 190

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into the body He was not admitted to to goe to heauen nor to hell nor yet to Purgatorie But it séemeth our Lady was somwhat too hastie for being no better man she should first haue let him bin well fried in Purgatorie so peraduenture she would but that the diuell was so greedy that he would not tarrie She did not wisely neither for what a number of soules might she lose caught by other diuels whiles she was pleading for this S. Katherine did vowe her selfe to bee married to none but Christ and therefore the Virgin Marie did appeare to the holy Hermite Adrian sent him to bring Quéen Katherine to a place where the mariage should be solēnized which was a goodly gorgious Abbey erected for that vse where a multitude of glorious virgins did méet the new bride bring her in where she was maried to Christ in the presence of the blessed Lady whō they salute as Quéene of heauen Lady of the world Empresse of hell she biddeth her new daughter welcome she caried her into the quier to Christ who tooke her by the hand so was maried vnto her put a ring vpon her finger did charge her to kéepe it in remēbrance There was such a glory at that mariage as neuer the like the blessed Virgin also so glad of her new daughter and Christ of his new wife must néedes cause excéeding ioy Our blessed Lady came often among ye in those dayes and now she doth scarce visite ye once in seuen yeares What should be the cause is she wearied or hath she conceiued some displeasure against ye I pray ye tell me Pa. You are disposed to play and sport your selfe What if some did write such things which were their owne deuises Is the Church to be blamed and if so be they were allowed by the church you are not to be taken for an indifferent Iudge because you do not vnderstand them If the blessed Virgin did then appeare often it might be because they were then more worthy or some other cause which we know not Is it not enough now although she do not appeare that she heareth the prayers of those which cal vpon her helpeth thē Pro. If I play because I recite some part of your diuinity how did your good ghostly men play which deuised them Yea how did your Antichristian Synagogue play in setting them forth to be read openly to the people and that in the Church Your blind shiftes cannot serue the turne Your vaine spéech is not worth the answering Ye shall pardon me if I procéede a little further in the declaration of your holy lyes Ye haue a goodly historie if the booke of lyes be true of Saint Kenelme once king ouer some part of England wherein you haue many a faire myracle The story is very long and therefore I must tell but the summe of it King Kenelme had one sister which was a wicked woman hated him conspired his death with Asheberd his gouernour who going abroad with the king which being heauie and layd downe to sléepe the traytour made a pit purposed to kill him but he awoke and tolde him he did labour in vaine God would not haue him killed there He gaue him a small rod and told him that where he should set it in the earth there he should be martyred Then this traytor wēt forth together with him vnto a Hawthorne and there he pight the rod forth with it bare leaues and grew vp suddenly waxed a great Ash trée which doth stand there vnto this day is called Kenelmes Ash He smote off his head there and buried his body in a valley betwéene two high hils Then Quendred his wicked sister was glad and was Quéene Now although the body did lie in vnhallowed buriall yet no man durst take it vp for feare of Quendred the Quéene But a poore widow had a white cow which was euery day driuen into the wood of Clēt where she would depart from the rest of the kine and goe into the valley and there did rest all the day sitting by the corps and at night returned home neuer eate meate and yet was fatter and gaue more milk then any of the kine This thing did continue certaine yeres Afterward as the Pope was at Masse in Rome there came a white Doue and let fall a scroll vpon the Altar in which was written thus in letters of golde In Clent in Cowbage Kenelme king borne lieth vnder a thorne his head off shorne The Pope and all his could not tell the meaning thereof vntill an English man did expound it The Pope did send to the Archbishop of Canterbury willed the body should be taken vp They came to the place which they knew by the white cow they digged vp the body and in the place there did spring vp a well which is called Kenelms well vnto this day where many of the people haue béen healed When they had vp the body it was brought to the Abbey of Winchcomb By the way they were so drie that they fainted The Abbot of Winchcombe pitched his crosse downe there sprang vp a well Before they came at the Abbey all the bels did ring without mans hand Quendred demanded wherefore the bels did ring it was told her that the body of her brother was taken vp and that the bels did ring alone That is euen as true sayd she as both mine eyes are fallē out of my head vpon this booke And by and by both her eyes fell vpon her Psalter vpon which she was reading and it is séene to this day where they fell vpon the booke This is all as true as any lye in the world may be Pa. What of all this how can you tell whether this were true Why might it not be so Pro. It might bee true as well as the rest of all your lying wonders which yee coyned to seduce the blinde people into Idolatry Ye had gotten this aduantage to perswade that the Pope could not lye nor erre And therefore whatsoeuer ye did inuent although it were neuer so grosse it would be credited not onely when they prayed to an Image to make them beléeue that it did sweate in taking paynes to pray for them and rowle the eyes but also all your fained wonders of which I will yet giue a little further taste For although they may séeme vnprofitable to bee vttered yet because they declare your spirit of lying whereby Antichrist is knowne there is vse in them What a goodly storie is there of your Saint Dominike When he was at Rome hee sawe in a night Iesu Christ in the ayre holding thrée speares brandishing them against the world and his mother ran hastely against him demaunded what he would doe He sayd all the world is full of vices and therefore I will destroy them with these speares Then shée fell downe at his féete and sayd Deare sonne haue pitie tarie thy iustice by thy mercie He
Saint Iohn saith to all the Christians 1. Iohn 4. Trie the spirites whether they be of God By your saying the people should not be able to trie them and so he would teach them that which did not belong vnto them Pa. What a trimme colour you set vppon the matter and how pretily ye can shift but I wil lay open your subtiltie To proue that the velearned people can iudge of doctrine preached you alledge the saying of Christ My sheepe heare my voyce c. I pray ye Sir if a man should demand of you whether he meaneth that this shall be immediatly or not and whether when he saith they shal be all taught of God doth he exclude the ministery of men or not I know ye will say the voyce of the great Shepeard is heard when those which he hath appointed to be shepheards do vtter his doctrine Ye will also say that although God teach yet he doth it by the ministery of men Then I answer that the vnlearned people are to heare the voyce of Christ from the Pope who is their great shepheard vnder Christ God doth teach them by him they are to sticke and cleaue to his determination of themselues they cannot iudge but they must doe it by him he must tell them which is the woolfe and which is the false Prophet they cannot tell which commeth with the true spirit or which spirit is of God but as he doth direct them And for this cause we say still that ye haue not the true Catholike faith nor the scriptures on your side nor the true sense because ye are gone from the only true expoūder of them Pro. All that I haue brought is but a colour and a prety shift and easily disclosed with one poore distinction of mediate immediate But I pray ye Sir how doth this hang together the voyce of the true shepheard is heard when it is vttered by men therefore the way to know it is by men God teacheth by men therfore God teacheth to discerne the spirits by men or if it be so must this needs follow that the Pope his Cleargy are those men which must do the déed This is a strange thing Christ Iesus S. Paule S. Peter S. Iohn others do foretell the people of false prophets the only way and remedy to auoyde them as you say is to hang vpon the Pope yet none of all these or any other hath so much as once noted it or tell the poore people by whose direction they might be safe in so extreame danger Pa. There was no neede so long as Christ or his Apostles liued to tell them so for they taught them this thing or how can you tell they did not they might though it be not written is all written which they did teach Pro. Here is mighty strong geare this were able to set vp a Pope if he were thrown down to reuiue him againe if he were hanged No maruell forsooth Christ nor his Apostles did not tell the people that the Pope and Church of Rome should be their refuge when heretickes shold séeke to seduce thē because there was no need so long as they liued this were somwhat if they had told only of the false teachers of their time but when they foretel the great dangers mischiefs which should be in the Church lōg after their dayes being aboue all things most chary of the safety of the same this were very absurd Acts. 20. not once to giue any note of the surest remedy S. Paul saith to the elders of the Church of Ephesus that he did know that after his departure there shold enter in grieuous wolues not sparing the flock there shold rise of thēselues which shold speake peruerie things and draw disciples after thē yet he speaketh of no remedy but that which was banished in your Church namely careful diligēt teaching for he saith therfore watch be mindful c. S. Peter saith as there were in times past false prophets amōg the people so shal there be false teachers amōg you 2. Pet. 2. and afterward he sheweth this remedy not willing them to hang their faith vppon his chaire or successor but to call to remembrance the words that had bene told them of the holy Prophetes and by the Apostles of Christ Saint Iohn saith 1. Iohn 2. little children it is the last houre ye haue heard that Antichrist shal come I say there are already many Antichristes in the world and a litle after he telleth them how they shall escape the danger but saith he you haue receiued an annointing what from the Pope or his greasie oyle no but from the holy one and know all things Againe ye neede not saith he that any man teach ye but as the annoynting do teach ye Christ Iesus foretelleth Math. 24. that there should rise false Prophets and do such wonders that if it were possible euen the elect should be deceiued but that as his words do most plainely shew is vnpossible and why doth he say because I will leaue a vicar and as many as hang vppon his sleeue shall be safe not so but because God hath chosen them for he doth keepe them Iohn 10. and none is able to take them out of his hand He saith in another place Beware of false Prophetes which come vnto you in shéepes clothing but inwardly are rauening woolues and whereby shall men know them Math. 7. He sayeth by their fruits But how know we whether he did tell them so or not he might though it be not written alacke alacke Pa. I know your sect make but a scoffe at the traditions of the Apostles which were not cōmitted to writing but let that go it is but a folly to perswade those to beleeue which haue denied the faith and despise the Catholike Church Pro. The Pope of Rome hath a great chest ful of traditions which S. Peter did not put in writing but he hath whosoeuer doth not beleeue these hath denied the faith dispiseth the Catholike Church This is not your best way your best way is to stand to this that the Pope hath authority to decree what he wil so your traditions shall stand sure though they be flat against the word of God But I am content to let this go also and to returne to that which we had in hand and because I would haue the matter made a little more plaine I will demaund a question or two at your hands Was there not a Church in the world before the cōming of Christ Pa. Who doth deny that the Iewes were the Church and people of God Pro. Then tell me further whether had they the word of God or not to instruct them and to ground their faith vpon Pa. They had the bookes of Moses they had the bookes of the Prophets they were bidden to heare them Pro. Who were appointed in the Church to expound the law and the Prophets vnto
defile Gods house we waite when it shall please God to put into the hearts of our godly gouernours to purge the Church by it Pa. You giue the greater colour vnto the matter because a few among you speake of such a thing what is that to the purpose the whole discipline of your Church which all those which are your Church doe acknowledge is established among ye there is no want confessed Pro. No man is to regarde what a few or many doe speake but what God doth speake by his word Whereas yée affirme that our Church doth acknowledge no wāt I say our Church doth acknowledge a want for who are the Church or of the Church but such as doe embrace the whole word of GOD But least ye should still goe forward after your former maner and say that a few doe this not the state of our Church looke in the booke of our Common Prayer and there ye shall finde that the graue godly fathers of our Church when they did reforme it from Poperie setting down the curses out of Moses which are to be denounced at a certaine time in the yere they doe withall set downe and declare their meaning namely that this should bee for a time in stead of that discipline which they can not onely confesse to bee wanting but also greatly to be desired as they wished for it Pa. I cannot tell what the fathers of your Church doe set downe there neither doe I minde to looke VVhen ye haue said all that yee can yee shall be driuen to confesse that there is all loosenes and libertie vnto the flesh among ye Ye haue feasting and gluttonie in stead of fasting O our good forefathers how much are ye vnlike them they did oftentimes fast and punish their bodies and goe in sackcloth these new Gospellers haue found a more easie way they can doe all contrary and yet goe to heauen neuerthelesse Our father 's liued in great straightnes and these walke at libertie which of these shall we like best shall we forsake them and allow of these No Christ telleth vs The way is straight which leadeth vnto heauen If euer any walked in that way they were our forefathers which punished themselues and liued so deuoutly Pro. If there bee loosenes and libertie among vs it is by them which obey not the Gospell which calleth them from all sinfull lusts of the flesh vnto the obedience of Gods holy wil. The right fast which the Scripture doth commend is in estimation among vs we doe not onely write and speake of it but also haue and are ready for to practise it both publikely and priuately That which you brag of is not the true fast for although a man cram his bellie neuer so full of fish so that hée abstaine frō flesh you call it a fast Swéet wines and daintie iunkets are allowed in your fast Moreouer ye fast when ye doe it in the most straight maner and pine your selues to a most wicked and abominable end for ye doe it as a worke which is meritorious ye séeke remission of your sinnes by it and so ye denie the redemption by the merits of Christ only which is so cursed blasphemous a thing that it doth turne al your fastings and praiers into sinne Your fasting is such as God did reproue in the Iewes by his prophets and such as the blind Pharisie boasted of saying Luke 18. I fast twise in the weeke Doubtles if the abstaining from meate could make a man holy the Pharisies should haue béen excéeding holy men and the ancient Iewes against whom the Lord complained should haue bin cōmended but they like hypocrites fasted from bodily sustenance and filled themselues with all spiritual wickednes euen such are you O ye detestable hypocrites although ye goe sometimes with emptie bellies yet your soules are as full of sin as euer they cā hold We haue iust cause to cry out against ye for seducing so many of our forefathers and making them beléeue that the very broad way to hell was the norrow straight way which leadeth vnto heauen You blind Pharisies answere is that the straight way vnto life which the starkest hypocrite of all the most vngodly men can obserue and walke in as well as other Is that the narrow gate which the couetous the malicious the adulterous and vniust man can passe in at as well as other Tell me this can there not be a lecherous heart and a malicious minde in a bodie couered with sackcloth Cannot a wicked hypocrite punish his body pine and whip himselfe and yet his sinfull soule within neuer a whit reformed This then is not the straight way but the straight way is that which Christ and his Apostles doe teach which none can finde nor walke in but the true faithfull man namely to denie himselfe to kil and crucifie all sinfull lusts and concupiscences in the heart to séeke out the will of God and in all things to obey it This is the narrow way which all those are to séeke after if they will be saued all our godly forefathers haue walked in this way and sought thus to please God they knew that the kingdome of heauē could not bee purchased by any such outward trifles as you deuised but that such as will enter in there must bée new borne No man therefore néede to feare when he walketh in this straight way which we publish by the doctrine of the Gospell because he doth not forsake our forefathers vnlesse it be such as haue forsaken the trueth being seduced by Antichrist Pa. VVhat is it which you cannot do that can so easily proue all the holy deuotion of such as liue a straight life to bee but hypocrisie but say what ye will ye shall neuer be able to proue that such things are trifles I know well enough that your sect make small account of all religious obseruations let them beleeue ye that will is it possible that God should refuse those men which of a good meaning and deuotion are so carefull to please him which are content to take so great paines to serue him and are so humble minded as to refuse nothing by which they may abase themselues to please him O that you heretikes did but a little know how deuoute the minde of the Catholike is ye would euen bee ashamed that euer ye were so foolish to separate your selues from so holy a companie But alas the world hath blinded your eyes and the diuell hath be witched ye so far that ye care not for any goodnes Pro. All faithfull Christians doe knowe well enough the blinde deuotion of you Papists and are so farre from being ashamed to separate themselues from yée that they giue immortall thankes and praise to God that he hath opened their eyes to sée the light and to auoide that strong delusion which you are deluded withall what good meaning and deuotion so euer yée pretend what paines so euer ye take how humble so euer ye
of the diuell and his ministers ye may also affirme that we allow of these for we ascribe all these to them They bée no companions of our Gospell vnlesse yée take it in this sense that they alway accompanie the same as vtter enemies to ouerthrow and destroy it The holie Scriptures doe testifie 2. Pet. 2. that there shall bée false Prophets false Teachers and Antichrists in the Church to seduce the people 1. Iohn 2. And the experience of all times doth shew the same Phil. 3. 2. Cor. 10. For were not the false Apostles in all places set against Saint Paul and the other Apostles Doe not the bookes and writings of ancient fathers shortly after the Apostles shewe what fowle monsters rose vp in the Church and what horrible errors did vexe the peace therof Were not the right Catholike fathers within short time after the Apostles of Christ merueilously troubled with heretikes and had as it were their hands full in confuting them Doe not their bookes remaine vnto this day in which they doe confute them I wonder greatly how you Papists should bee so shamelesse beasts as not to denie that the Gospell in those former dayes had so manie and so fowle errours springing vp with it and yet not to bée blamed and now so wickedly to blaspheme it when yée sée the same thing come to passe yée might rather beléeue that it is the trueth because ye sée the same successe now which it had of old and how the diuell doth sweate to quench and ouerthrow it Tell me this O ye hounds of hell did the Gospell hatch or bréed the abominable errors of Ebion Cerinthus Saturninus Carpocrates Basilides and such like Did the Gospell bring foorth the diuelish opinions of Arrius Manicheus of others which sprang vp with it If ye shame to say it did why then should ye not now be as much ashamed to charge it with the errors of the Anabaptists Libertines and the Family of Loue and other which are the warriors of the diuell as well as you to fight against the truth As for this that ye say You did all agrée and were of one minde It is very true in this to resist God and his Gospell but otherwise it is false for ye haue a multitude of sects and sundrie orders amongst ye which could not one away with the other Your whole church of Rome is but a schisme and an Apostasie from the Gospell and Church of God and yet among your selues deuided into a great number of sects and schismes For as among the Corinths I hold of Paul saith one I hold of Apollo 1. Cor. 1. saith another the third of Cephas So among you I am of Benedictus order I am of Francis I am of Augustine and a rablement besides both of Monks and Friers and other such vermine These agréed all in this that they acknowledged the Pope and had their confirmation from him as from the fountaine and maine head which sent foorth riuers and streames euery way for he was the head not of vnitie but of all schismes The head indéed of vnitie as they held all of him but of diuision that euery one put holinesse in his order and sought saluation thereby Ephes 4. There is but one God one faith one baptisme one Lord Iesus Christ and therefore but one way to life eternall how many soeuer you haue inuented which indéede are but crooked paths that leade to hell I let passe your dissention in those poynts which among you should bée of the most waightie things Pa. I could shew many horrible things against ye but I see well it is to no purpose a man were euen as good hold his tongue he shall haue answere at your hands with so many flim flammes and toyes I will leaue ye as I found ye seeing I can doe you no good it is but a folly for a man to powre water vpon a stone to make it soft Pro. I doubt not but that you and your fellowes haue so wel profited in the schoole of the father of lyes in which ye haue béen trained vp that yee are able to vtter many horrible things against vs euē as true as those which ye haue vttered alreadie Therefore in very déede yee were better a great deale to holde your tongue then so shamefully to abuse it in blaspheming the glorious Gospell of GOD. The answers which I doe giue are such flim flammes as the word of God doth expresse I thanke God hee hath so opened mine eyes to see his trueth that euen the most craftie iugling of Papists cannot bring mee into any mammering a man ought to stand fast and to be rooted in the doctrine of the Lord that is no hardnes as you estéeme it neither is yours the water of life which yee would powre vpon me but filthie stinking mud which ye haue drawne out of the puddle of Poperie Ye offer mee drinke but not wholesome wine but dregs which ye bring in the golden cup of the whore of Babylon Your cup doth entice many a simple soule to drinke for they doe not suspect that such deadly poyson should be offered in so goodly a cup. I beséech God to giue men the wisedome to looke what is in it before they drinke Pa. What meane ye by this goodly Allegory what is that golden cuppe which ye speake of in which ye say we offer ye poyson and deceiue the simple soules with the gaines of the cup Can ye tell your owne meaning Doe ye not speake that which ye doe not vnderstand your selfe in Pro. Saint Iohn in the Reuelation doth vse this allegory which you so like a dog scoffe at Reue. 17. He painteth out the whore of Babylon with a golden cup in her hand full of abominations with this she hath made drunken those that dwell vpon the earth For as I said before who would suspect that so goodly a cup should be full of poyson But what is this goldē cup say you in which wee offer poyson This is your golden cup the name of the Catholike Church which ye brag of and the name of the forefathers this is a golden cup how can a simple man once suspect any euill to be in this cup Doubtlesse it is onely your cup which deceiueth so many allureth them to drinke and to sucke out euen the dregs of your abominations For ye crie Catholikes Catholikes the Catholike Church the forefathers and in this ye bring in al your trumperie and purchase credit vnto it because the Catholike Church is very honourable and true which name you pretend the ancient fathers of the Catholike Church are very reuerend whom you falsly challenge to be of your side Therefore I say still it is wisedome to looke what is in your cup and not to be hastie to drinke Pa. I tolde ye euen now that although I might say much yet because I see it is to little purpose that I will giue ye ouer Pro. I must
onely law-giuer Thus ye would bleare the eyes of the ignorant to make them beléeue that the Pope doth make lawes as Moses did But I will shew a difference Moses gaue no lawes nor any of the Apostles but such as they receiued from GOD. They neuer challenged authoritie for to make any law contrary to any part of the word of God nor to abrogate any of the lawes of God For S. Paul saith Galath 1. that if he or an Angell frō heauen should preach any other Gospell then that he had preached let him be accursed Such was the authoritie of Gods worde that if either Paul or Moses or any other which brought it should alter adde to it or diminish the same he should be accursed And yet the Pope doth take power to make lawes contrary to the lawes of the word of God to dispense with the same to disanull what hee will and which is most blasphemous of all to affirme that the holie Scriptures haue no authoritie without him but are of themselues dead can haue no certaintie Is not this to make himselfe God or equall with God What is there which hath authoritie ouer Gods word but God Who doth not here espie the very hornes of the diuell péep vp and speake these things out of the mouth of his vicar Antichrist They do al forsake God and worship the beast which giue him this authoritie Pa. I will not denie but that he which doth set vp lawes contrary to Gods lawes maketh himselfe God euen as a subiect which taketh vpon him to make lawes and to refuse the lawes of the Prince maketh himselfe as it were a king But I say the Bishop of Rome doth not so for he hath the holie Ghost and cannot erre And so when he doth forgiue sinnes he doth no more then is warranted by the word and in very deede which ye take vpon ye to doe Pro. What should I stand to answere bare words wee know the Pope is not led by the holy Ghost but by the lying spirit of the diuel because he hath so flatly troden downe Gods word and brought in his owne lawes in stead of it I will not stand to recite particulars all the world may iudge And whereas ye say he doth not forgiue sins but as we doe take vpon vs that is but a shift which ye haue deuised for all that will may see whether this bee all one to pronounce remission of sins to the penitent which we do and to send forth pardōs whereby for ten shilling matter a man might not onely haue forgiuenes of his sins past but libertie for a good time after to commit many sinnes If this be not the man of sinne where shall we finde him Who doth take vpon him to bee God if he do not which for money will forgiue a man whatsoeuer he doth commit against God Shall a rotten stinking carrion thus blaspheme and men not espie that hee is the great Antichrist I haue now shewed yée how the Pope boasteth himself to be God but I dare not say you will recant Pa. When I see matter which may force me to recant I will do it but for ought that I see brought to the purpose to proue that which you promised there is cause rather why you should recant and renounce your errors and returne againe to the holy mother which is ready to receiue those that returne to her how vnkindly soeuer they haue behaued themselues toward her Pro. The diuelish strumpet is almost left desolate and therefore she laboureth to draw as many as she can and to entice them to her loue faire and foule tag and mag all are welcome none come amisse now Murtherers whoremasters whores bawdes drunkards and all such like if they will take her for their mother she is not ashamed to take them for her children and to make them partakers of her holinesse But let vs come againe to the matter Saint Paul in the same chapter sayth That Antichrist should come with lying signes and wonders and so is it also expressed in the Reuelation that the beast should that way seduce and deceiue the inhabitants of the earth If this be not fulfilled in the kingdome of the Pope how shall it euer bee fulfilled or where shall wee looke for it What hath béen all your outcries but myracles myracles Let a man reade your Legenda Aurea and festiuall and such other pure bookes what shall he finde but myracle vpon myracle and so true that if a man would lye for the whetstone hee may there store himselfe if hee will haue a whole bundle The people did beléeue them for why the Scripture saith 2. Thess 2. GOD should send them strong delusion to beléeue lyes I dare say boldly that although you Papists a great nūber of ye haue put on impudent and shamelesse faces to maintaine lyes yet there is not one of ye but wil blush if he should take vpon him to defend that stinking puddle of lyes and fained wonders which ye fed the common people withal A man may be ashamed to recite them least those which know not the matter should thinke he doth lie Pa. What way can you proue that the myracles of the Church were false and counterfeit Will you take vpon ye to condemne such things as were done long since If there bee some things written which might wel enough be left out is the Church to be charged with that which euery particular man doth There were abuses crept in which the Bishop himselfe did not know of Is it reason he should be blamed Pro. I thinke no wise man will doubt but that this is a sufficient proofe that your myracles were but iugling casts in the darke because ye had such store then haue none now alas there is as great néede now as euer there was And if there bee but one myracle left in your budget pull it forth and let vs see it that we may giue some credit vnto ye Nay your mother had no good counsell giuen her when she had such plentie to spend it so wastfully as she did and to kéepe none for a deare yeare I wisse a few of those great wonders which shée shewed in time past would now stand her in great stead Pa. Mocke on take your pleasure there is none to controule ye VVhat though there be neede at this time yet the world is vnworthie euen as Christ said to the Pharisies when they required a signe Matth. 19. This euill and adulterous generation seeketh a signe but there shall no signe be giuen them but the signe of Ionas the Prophet Euen so what reason is it that the holy mother should shew any wonders and myracles vnto you which are worse then the Pharisies Pro. Alacke good old mother she hath néede as much as euer she had to shew her cunning but the world is not worthie Although shée might winne great credit by it yet she had rather kéepe a good conscience And therefore