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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A79504	New-Englands Jonas cast up at London: or, A relation of the proceedings of the court at Boston in New-England against divers honest and godly persons, for petitioning for government in the common-wealth, according to the lawes of England, and for admittance of themselves and children to the sacraments in their churches; and in case that should not be granted, for leave to have ministers and church-government according to the best reformation of England and Scotland. Together with a confutation of some reports of a fained miracle upon the aforesaid petition, being thrown over-board at sea; as also a breif [sic] answer to some passages in a late book (entituled Hypocrisie unmasked) set out by Mr. Winslowe, concerning the Independent churches holding communion with the reformed churches. / By Major John Child.	Child, John, Major.	1647 (1647)	Wing C3851; Thomason E384_5; ESTC R201443	15,799	25

the Isles of Silly upon the throwing of that Writing over-board for that was thrown over long before at least 14 dayes Also the error is the more in this That the report is that it was the petition to the Parliament that was thrown over-board and it was only a Copy of a Petition to their own Court at Boston and the Petition to the Parliament was still in the ship together with another Copy of that which was thrown over-board and other Writings of that nature some of which are printed in this book and were as well saved as their lives and other goods and are here in London to be seen and made use of in convenient time POST-SCRIPT THere is a book lately set-forth by Mr. Edward Winslow of New England against Samuel Gorton intituled Hypocrisie unmasked in which there is a deep and subtle Plot against the Lawes of England and Liberties of English Subjects and the Gentlemen that are now suffering in New-England This man being a principall opposer of the Lawes of England in New-England One who is usually in place of Government in New-Plimouth there Now in N. England there are many several Governments distinct and independent one from and on the other and none of them have ever since they came into that Country governed by the Lawes of England but by an Arbitrary government of their own nor indeed can they endure the Laws of Eng. This New Plimouth where M. Winslow is a Magistrate was the first Plantation in New-England and as the rest that came after them thither followed them in their Church-ways so they follow them in their Arbitrary government And now he is come over hither being sent as an Agent for the rest that the may get strength from the Parliament here to maintain what they have begun made so great a progresse in They have made a Law that it shall be death for any there to attempt the alteration and subversion of their Frame of Polity or Government as it is apparent by those Lawes in Print set forth by themselves the Copy whereof is in pag 16. of this Book set forth and also proceeded to the Fining and Imprisoning of some well-affected English whom they fear will complain of this their Arbitrary government that so none may dare to seek for a remedy from the Parliament We have cause heartily to pray That as Mr. Baily sets forth in his book of Disswasive from the Errors of the times as from new-New-England came Independencie of Churches hither which hath spread over all parts here that from thence also in time Arbitrary Government in the Commonwealth may not come hither Now if any man ask how 't is evident there is such a Plot laid down in that Book I answer to be very briefe I shall give the Reader this light into this designe In his Epistle before the book which he dedicates to the Honourable Commissioners for Forraign Plantations he makes five Requests to them the fourth of which is That they will take into consideration how destructive it will be to their Plantations and proceedings there which saith he are growing into a Nation to answer to complaints here See and observe Reader how he seeks to stop all Appeals from all their unjust Sentences whatsoever they may be contrary to the Lawes of England Secondly he would make their Honours to be the Instruments to stop the Currant of the greatest Liberty of English subjects there he would engage the Parliament in it and what a desperate businesse this would prove every wise man may easily see For being begun at this Plantation by the same rule others might seek it should extend to all other Plantations and then why not to Ireland and why shall not example custome and fair pretences bring it into Wales and Cornwal so over England And by the way Reader mark his great boasting that they are growing into a Nation high concel●s of a Nation breeds high thoughts of themselves which makes them usually term themselves a State cal the people there Subjects 〈◊〉 four Governments together without any authority from the King and Parliament and then term themselves the United Colonies are publikely prayed for by that title not giving forth their Warrants in his Majesties name no not in time of his most peaceable government neither taking the Oath of Allegiance before they take upon them their Government nor ever giving it to any of his Majesties subjects c. Now Reader observe their policie they take the advantage of promoting this designe by beginning to write against Gorton a man whom they know is notorious for heresie that so behind him they may creep and get a shot at a better game may beget a good opinion in the Honorable Comissioners by writing against such a evill man as also that they may wash away the opinion that good men heretofore have had of them that they are Separatists and Schismaticks Mr. Winslow their Agent insinuates severall things of the good agreement communion that the Independents in New-England hold with Presbyterians and the Reformed Churches of which he had discoursed with some godly Presbyterians since his comming over into England and saith he was earnestly requested by some of the Presbyterian party to publish to the world as much pag. 97. and thereupon tells a long story of the Church of New-Plymouth belonging to Mr. Robinson of Leyden holding communion with French and Dutch churches yea tendring it to the Scots as also pag. 93. how the rest of the Churches in New-England do suffer Presbyterians and have offered all liberty and priviledges to Presbyterians p. 99. 100. But for answer I say there is a great deal of fallacie in this discourse and the contrary is too well known and daily practised among the Independents both there and here not admitting the most godly men into communion among them not to the acts wherein they hold communion stands properly keeping Communion with them in Word and Prayer which they admit to their Indians too And let them instance if they can among many hundreds yea some thousands of Independents that have come from New-England and Holland that have come to the Lords supper in our Churches or done any act among us in which they hold Church-communion properly stands 2. Rather then Mr. Winslow will fail of his purpose he will make the world believe that the Reformed Churches are as much Separatists as themselves are by describing them with the same description that the Separatists describe themselves p. 96. That they are a People distinct from the World and gathered into a holy Communion he should have said Covenant which is his sense and not National churches and that the sixth person is not of the Church meaning amongst them which falshood of his he boldly affirms thinking that many will believe because he saith it but the contrary is well known to those that know them for in Holland they refuse not to baptize any of their Country-mens-children who bring them to

be baptized else would their unbaptized be seen amongst them as well as they are to be seen in New-England besides t is well known the Church of Scotland holds themselves a National church and hath a National Assembly and so the Church of Holland and France hold themselves National churches against the Independents 3. As to the great love he insinuates they of New-England bear to Presbyterian churches by the example of Profering certain Scots a Plantation amongst them where they should share with them in their lands and enjoy their liberty of Presbyterial government p. 100. I answer that passage is strange and I can hardly believe it that they who denied so many godly Ministers well known to them Mr. Ball Mr. Rathband c. English men the liberty of enjoying Presbyteriall government should grant it to strangers of the Scotish nation Now that they denied them is apparent besides Mr. Rathband and other Ministers testimonies now with God and Mr. Ash of the Assembly and others testifying so much themselves in Print in the book intituled Church-government and Church covenant discussed in ans to the 31 quest p. 83 84. confesse it and give reason of their denial But if it be true there were any such promise to the Scots which I much question I am confident they had some design of their own in it some worldly end or other as namely That in those dangerous times when it was likely that the time in England would soon be so bad that they could not be supplied of necessaries from England they might then be supplied from Scotland with cloth as leather ot●●r commodities which Plot a very dull States-man might easily have contriv●● 4. As for that he says that Mr. Noyce Mr. Parker and Mr. Hubard have their liberties in New England who yet are Presbyterian I answer the Church of the two first was founded in the Church way of the Independent manner which is not anew constituted though they in their judgments are somewhat different and still they hold many Independent principles as may be seen by Mr. Noyse's Book lately printed though some Presbyterian principles 5. For Mr. Hubard dares Mr. Winslow says that Mr. Hubard was not punished neither directly nor indirectly for baptizing some children whose parents were not members of their Churches and that his sharp fines disgracefull being bound to the good behaviour had an influence from the baptism of those children 6. Can any man think that the despitefull passages vented in Pulpits against the Church of England there by some of their chief Elders calling England Egypt Babylon and saying that out of their Church-waies we cannot go to Heaven denying the Scales of the Covenant to some because they would not confesse that there was no way of God lawfull to govern the Church by but the Independent way and for no other cause as it is ready to be proved when ever Mr. VVinslow or any other Independents will desired meeting in London before indifferent Judges and much more then I will here relate is a sign of love to the Presbyterian brethren and of keeping communion with them 7. Concerning the offer that Mr VVinslow saith was made not long before he came away by the Court to certain discontented persons demanding liberty for Presbyterial government that it was freely is openly tendred to them this is strange news to us here for we hear not one word of that offer from those Petitioners although here are letters from some of them dated since M. VVinflows comming from thence that relates that Dr. Child others of them remained still in prison save that D. Child hath the liberty to be confined to M. Laeders house upon security of 800. l. bond being given for his abiding there For a conclusion of this Postscript I shall desire the Reader by all that hath been said to observe how Independents are all of a peece for subtilltie designs fallacies both in New-England and in Old FINIS