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A52036 An answer to a booke entitvled An hvmble remonstrance in which the originall of liturgy, episcopacy is discussed : and quares propounded concerning both : the parity of bishops and presbyters in Scripture demonstrated : the occasion of their imparity in antiquity discovered : the disparity of the ancient and our moderne bishops manifested : the antiquity of ruling elders in the church vindicated : the prelaticall church bownded / written by Smectymnvvs. Smectymnuus.; Milton, John, 1608-1674. 1641 (1641) Wing M748; ESTC R21898 76,341 112

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the_o french_a church_n who_o in_o their_o confession_n speak_v thus_o credimus_fw-la veram_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la gubernari_fw-la debere_fw-la ea_fw-la politia_fw-la quam_fw-la dominus_fw-la noster_fw-la jesus_n christus_fw-la sancivit_fw-la ita_fw-la videlicet_fw-la ut_fw-la sint_fw-la in_o ea_fw-la pastor_n presbyteri_fw-la sive_fw-la seniores_fw-la &_o diaconi_fw-la ut_fw-la doctrinae_fw-la puritas_fw-la retineatur_fw-la etc._n etc._n ar._n 29._o credimus_fw-la omnes_fw-la pastor_n ubicunque_fw-la collocati_fw-la sunt_fw-la cádem_fw-la &_o aequali_fw-la potestate_fw-la inter_fw-la se_fw-la esse_fw-la praeditos_fw-la sub_fw-la uno_fw-la illo_fw-la capite_fw-la summoque_fw-la &_o solo_fw-la universali_fw-la episcopo_fw-la jesu_fw-la christo_fw-la art_n 30._o gallicae_n confessionis_fw-la credimus_fw-la veram_fw-la hanc_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la debere_fw-la regi_fw-la ac_fw-la gubernari_fw-la spirituali_fw-la illâ_fw-la politiâ_fw-la quam_fw-la nos_fw-la deus_fw-la ipse_fw-la in_o 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