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A96223 The ansvver of the Assembly of Divines by authority of Parliament now sitting at Westminster. Unto the reasons given in to this Assembly by the Dissenting Brethren, of their not bringing in a model of their way. And since published in print, under the title of A copy of a remonstrance. Which answer was humbly presented to the Right Honorable the House of Peers assembled in Parliament. Ordered by the Lords in Parliament assembled, that this answer be forthwith printed and published. Joh. Brown, cler. Parliamentorum. Westminster Assembly; England and Wales. Parliament. House of Lords. 1646 (1646) Wing W1423; Thomason E506_11; ESTC R204058 29,750 24

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to be their Pastor If such a liberty shall se●● to the wisdom of this Honourable Committee to be so prejudicial to the peace of the Church as not to be permitted we humbly desire the Doctrinal Principles wherein we differ about Church Government be taken into serious consideration and some other way of Accommodation in practise be thought upon as shall seem fit to this Honourable Committee This say the Brethren was presented to that Honourable Committee to be transmitted whether to the Honourable Houses or to the Assembly as they should think meet But before any such thing could be done it pleased the Honourable House of Commons to supersede the whole businesse XV. They yet presse us farther with Papers and tell us How upon occasion of something brought in by one Brother and entertained they took hold of that example and one of them with consent of the rest brought in seven Propositions containing matter of difference betwixt us professing that if this Reverend Assembly would debate them or any one of them they would bring in more until they had brought in the whole frame and the Assembly themselves should pick and choose what they would debate and what not These Propositions say they were rejected with a refusal to debate any one of them The true story of this businesse stands thus On March 2● 1644. it was earnestly desired by several Members of the Assembly that the Brethren the dissenters might be intreated to be a Committee to bring in what they thought further needful for the reforming of our Congregations and what they would desire in reference to their own as hath been touched already This was by those of the Brethren dissenters who were then present opposed with greatest vigour After some time spent in the debate of the businesse when the question was drawn up in terminis and ready to be put perceiving the extreme aversenesse which was in these Brethren to undertake such a work we forbare putting the question l●st the Brethren should complain as they do in this Paper of our imposing upon them What Councels the Brethren took we know not but March following after an Intimation given in the Assembly by a Brother who was none of these dissenters That one of these Brethren hid something to offer about the rights of particular Congregations and a motion made and assented to that he might bring it in One of them after some Expressions of unwillingnesse drew forth a Paper containing seven Propositions and this was the true occasion of their bringing in these Propositions and nor as they pretend their voluntary taking-hold of a Paper brought in by another Brother The Propositions so far as our Notes and Records will help us were as followeth 1. That there is a platform of Church-Government for the Church laid down in Scripture 2. That this is immutable and binding the conscience to the observation thereof 3. That the Officers which are to be imployed in those Churches as Pastors Teachers Ruling Elders and Deacons are of divine Institution 4. That the people have an Interest in the choice of these Officers 5. That these Officers are to be designed each of them to their Functions by imposition of hands and by Prayer 6. That what power these should have and over whom they should have it is of divine Institution 7. Where there is a sufficient number of Presbyters in any one Congregation then may the two great Ordinances of Excommunication and Ordination be Administred These Propositions we conceive were brought in by the consent of all these Brethren because now they say so which is more then themselves affirm of any of their other Papers unlesse the first which was given in about Ordination yet themselves in the debate of them did not agree upon some of the termes nor will they we suppose say That all these Propositions contain matter of difference betwixt us But as to the laying of these Propositions aside we Answer 1. These Propositions were not to the purpose of what was then before the Assembly nor what was desired and expected from us viz. What they thought further needful in the Reformation of our Congregations and what they desired in reference to their own All or most of what these Propositions contain having been before debated in the Assembly 2. They were not tendred as already formed up for dispute but it was added by him that brought them in These Propositions we are ready to form up if the Assembly think fit 3. It was then particularly objected that they had not brought them in with Scriptures and Proofs annexed as had been formerly used in Committees and offer made several times that if they would bring them in with proofs annexed the Assembly was ready to receive them 4. Neither indeed can they be said properly to be brought into the Assembly for when the Reporter had read them he put them up again without leaving either the original or a Copy of them in the Assembly and refused to give them in though called for by divers as likewise another time another of these Brethren having delivered a Paper to a Committee of the Assembly for Accommodation desired afterwards that he might have it to peruse and transcribe it which being obtained we could never recover from him to this day either the Paper or a Copy of it and when it hath been called for in the Assembly as it hath been very often he still replyed that he had it not about him onely once he drew it out and read it over in the Assembly with speed more then enough and being desired then to deliver it in he refused then to deliver it in to the Assembly but said if he must deliver it again he would deliver it to the Chair-man of that Committee from whence he had it who not being then present did not then or since receive it from him though a Paper much called for and desired and often demanded by that Chair-man All this while the Brethren have been complaining about Papers they brought in to the Assembly But all this is but to shape an excuse for their not bringing in Papers as was expected viz. Their Frame or Model of Church-Government according to the desire and order of the Assembly XVI The occasion of which Order was indeed as they say A Book intituled The Way of the Churches of Christ in New England and published here by N. H. and J. H. who in their Epistle to the Reader say they have been informed that these their Brethren speaking of the dissenting Brethren in this Assembly formerly tendred themselves that in ease they might be put into a Committee or like meet posture they would bring in the whole Frame of their judgements in a body with their Grounds and Reasons That now very lately they gave in Propositions to be discaused with promise of more but neither of them was debated This Book say the Brethren they had no band in no knowledge of but they do not say