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A92921 An examination of Dr. Balyes five waies whereby he endeavours to prove the Church of Rome to be the only church of Christ wherein salvation is to be had, and the Church of England to be no true church. By Robert Seppens rector of Hingham in Norfolk. Seppens, Robert. 1679 (1679) Wing S2558A; ESTC R229928 13,895 37

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