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A81350 An apologie for the Reformed churches wherein is shew'd the necessitie of their separation from the Church of Rome: against those who accuse them of making a schisme in Christendome. By John Daille pastor of the Reformed Church at Paris. Translated out of French. And a preface added; containing the judgement of an university-man, concerning Mr. Knot's last book against Mr. Chillingworth. Daillé, Jean, 1594-1670.; Smith, Thomas, 1623 or 4-1661. 1653 (1653) Wing D113; Thomason E1471_4; ESTC R208710 101,153 145

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the_o only_a saint_n on_o earth_n it_o be_v confess_v that_o discipline_n wherein_o even_o those_o heretic_n who_o mr._n knot_n call_v infidel_n by_o the_o confession_n of_o their_o most_o dreadful_a adversary_n go_v beyond_o romanist_n danger_n and_o such_o external_o make_v great_a alteration_n on_o some_o man_n life_n and_o in_o england_n there_o can_v be_v many_o monstrous_a wicked_a man_n of_o that_o religion_n yet_o some_o there_o be_v because_o not_o many_o man_n in_o comparison_n with_o protestant_n but_o what_o kind_n of_o people_n the_o plurality_n of_o they_o be_v in_o other_o nation_n all_o the_o world_n know_v and_o salmeron_n in_o epist_n pauli_n de_fw-fr falsis_fw-la signis_fw-la eccl._n disp_n 3._o costerus_n enchirid._n controver_n c._n 2._o p._n 101._o à_fw-fr costa_n de_fw-fr tempor_fw-la noviss_v l._n 2._o c._n 20._o be_v so_o ingenuous_a as_o to_o confess_v express_o that_o a_o life_n apparent_o good_a and_o honest_a be_v not_o proper_a to_o any_o one_o sect_n 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be_v hold_v in_o both_o the_o university_n that_o for_o some_o year_n it_o will_v be_v more_o commodious_a for_o the_o public_a and_o more_o liberty_n for_o the_o preacher_n to_o have_v no_o appropriation_n nor_o obligation_n to_o any_o particular_a benefice_n but_o itinera_fw-la mitto_fw-la cetera_fw-la he_o that_o will_v know_v more_o of_o it_o may_v read_v the_o book_n itself_o for_o which_o i_o hear_v some_o romanist_n last_o year_n commend_v m._n parson_n or_o because_o that_o be_v rare_a he_o may_v peruse_v a_o book_n of_o the_o same_o parson_n entitle_v a_o manifestation_n of_o the_o folly_n and_o bad_a spirit_n of_o certain_a in_o england_n call_v themselves_o secular_a priest_n wherein_o this_o memorial_n be_v own_v by_o he_o and_o analyse_v and_o excuse_v from_o fol._n 55._o to_o 63._o or_o w._n clark_n a_o roman_a priest_n his_o answer_n to_o the_o manifestation_n entitle_v a_o reply_n unto_o a_o certain_a libel_n late_o set_v forth_o by_o fa._n parson_n pag._n 74._o etc._n etc._n or_o watson_n quodlibet_n p._n 92_o 93_o 94._o together_o with_o the_o reply_n to_o a_o brief_a apology_n and_o several_a other_o book_n which_o fifty_o year_n ago_o the_o priest_n write_v against_o the_o jesuit_n and_o the_o jesuit_n against_o the_o priest_n whereby_o he_o may_v in_o transitu_fw-la perceive_v that_o there_o be_v as_o many_o and_o as_o great_a difference_n between_o they_o as_o among_o protestant_n protestant_n p._n 52._o §_o 18._o p._n 337_o §_o 75._o p._n 354._o l._n 20._o p._n 495._o l._n 31._o p._n 648._o l._n ult_n p._n 728._o l._n ult_n etc._n etc._n p._n 808._o l._n 20._o pag._n 812._o lin_v 16._o but_o i_o delight_v not_o camerinam_fw-la movere_fw-la since_o to_o say_v nothing_o of_o mr._n p._n du_fw-fr moulin_n and_o other_o protestant_a collection_n which_o i_o think_v not_o so_o considerable_a in_o this_o kind_n the_o romanist_n have_v write_v so_o much_o against_o one_o another_o in_o several_a language_n to_o this_o purpose_n that_o my_o soul_n oft_o bleed_v in_o secret_a to_o foresee_v that_o if_o they_o proceed_v thus_o the_o reduce_v if_o not_o this_o yet_o the_o next_o age_n to_o the_o good_a old_a christianity_n wherein_o as_o epiphan_n witness_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d &_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d divide_v the_o world_n into_o heretical_a and_o orthodox_n professor_n or_o even_o to_o moral_a honesty_n while_o gain_n shall_v be_v count_v godliness_n and_o è_fw-la contra_fw-la will_v be_v find_v a_o matter_n of_o far_o more_o difficulty_n and_o miracle_n than_o at_o the_o first_o plantation_n as_o aphorism_n ou_fw-fr sommaire_n de_fw-fr la_fw-fr doctrine_n des_fw-fr jesuit_n par_fw-fr lesquels_fw-fr le_fw-fr uray_fw-fr christianisme_n est_fw-fr corrompu_fw-fr 1610._o mercure_n jesuit_n 1631._o mysteria_fw-la jesuitarum_fw-la 1633._o theologie_n morale_fw-mi des_fw-fr jesuit_n extraict_o fidellement_fw-fr de_fw-fr leur_fw-fr liure_v country_n la_fw-fr morale_n christienne_n which_o last_o the_o sorbon_n doctor_n publish_v they_o and_o the_o louvain_n have_v publish_v several_a other_o common-place_n or_o catalogue_n of_o jesuitical_a opinion_n show_v that_o they_o teach_v a_o large_a number_n of_o opinion_n which_o open_v a_o wide_a door_n to_o treachery_n revenge_n covetousness_n debauchedness_n etc._n etc._n and_o it_o be_v likely_a the_o jesuit_n who_o be_v seldom_o behindhand_o when_o they_o be_v able_a have_v do_v as_o much_o for_o they_o mean_a while_n i_o pray_v god_n preserve_v christianity_n christianity_n that_o which_o one_o or_o two_o or_o some_o few_o roman_a catholic_n doctor_n say_v be_v lawful_a may_v in_o the_o judgement_n of_o papist_n be_v do_v without_o mortal_a sin_n the_o major_n be_v m._n knot_n charity_n maintain_v c._n 4._o sect_n 25._o as_o also_o valentia_n vasquez_n lessius_fw-la enriquez_n sa._n cellot_n de_fw-fr hist_n l._n 8._o c._n 16._o p._n 714._o but_o not_o only_o one_o but_o many_o rom._n cath._n doctor_n say_v it_o be_v lawful_a to_o murder_v or_o depose_v a_o supreme_a magistrate_n that_o be_v guilty_a of_o heresy_n or_o suspect_v of_o it_o cavete_fw-la principes_fw-la conclasioneni_fw-la conclasioneni_fw-la be_v it_o not_o a_o shame_n that_o learned_a man_n shall_v blame_v this_o opinion_n concern_v reason_n in_o master_n chillingworth_n doctor_n hammond_n etc._n etc._n and_o thereby_o advance_v socinianism_n and_o ruin_n christianity_n saint_n rest_n praef._n to_o the_o 2._o part_n p._n 18._o &_o saepe_fw-la alibi_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d chrysost_n in_o 1._o ad_fw-la cor._n c._n 2._o hom_n 6._o &_o ad_fw-la coloss_n c._n 2._o in_o matt._n hom_n 49._o gregor_n in_o evang._n hom_n 29._o aug._n the_o civ_o dei_fw-la l._n 22._o c._n 8._o &_o de_fw-la vera_fw-la religione_fw-la c._n 25._o justin_n qu._n &_o resp_n orthod_n qu._n 5._o tertull_n advers._fw-la marc._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o opus_fw-la imperf_n in_o matth._n hom_n 49._o theodor._n in_o deut._n qu._n 12._o august_n de_fw-fr unitat_fw-la eccl._n c._n 16._o the_o civet_n dei_fw-la l._n 22._o c._n 8._o 8._o august_n in_o joan._n tract_n 13._o hieron_n in_o epist_n ad_fw-la gal._n c._n 3._o tertull._n de_fw-fr praescr_n c._n 44._o 44._o baron_fw-fr annal._n tom_n 2._o a_o 139._o sect_n 4._o sueton._n in_o vita_fw-la vesp._n c._n 7._o tacit._n hist_o l._n 4._o annal_n l._n 2._o plutarch_n in_o vit_fw-fr fu._n camilli_n val._n max._n l._n 1._o c._n 8._o 8._o bellarm._n de_fw-fr eccl._n milit_fw-la l._n 4._o c_o 15._o card._n cajetan_n apud_fw-la catharinum_fw-la annot._fw-la l._n 4._o p._n 273._o &_o 274._o stella_fw-la in_o luc._n xi_o ferus_fw-la in_o matth._n praef_n l._n 2._o gregor_n i._o in_o evang._n hom_n 29._o lyra_n in_o dan._n 14._o biel_n in_o can._n missae_fw-la lect_n 49._o baron_fw-fr annal_n anno_fw-la 1027._o acosta_n de_fw-fr temp_n noviss_v l._n 2._o c._n 19_o &_o l._n 3._o c._n 3._o salmeron_n de_fw-fr falsis_fw-la signis_fw-la disp_n 3._o 3._o de_fw-fr la_fw-fr difference_n entre_fw-fr les_fw-fr schism_n &_o les_fw-fr concile_v 3._o part_n part_n belgic_a expurgat_fw-la pag._n 12._o
profess_v and_o practice_v the_o contrary_a to_o christ_n precept_n as_o in_o mutilate_v the_o communion_n and_o several_a kind_n of_o superstition_n idolatry_n and_o tyranny_n we_o be_v not_o in_o a_o schism_n for_o not_o subscribe_v and_o obey_v but_o he_o for_o impose_v and_o also_o it_o will_v follow_v that_o mons_fw-la r._n daillé_n have_v take_v a_o very_a right_a method_n and_o that_o the_o question_n of_o schism_n ought_v to_o follow_v and_o not_o go_v before_o that_o of_o heresy_n or_o error_n for_o if_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v in_o schism_n we_o be_v not_o then_o in_o fault_n for_o not_o remain_v under_o his_o government_n although_o we_o have_v be_v under_o it_o ever_o since_o the_o first_o plantation_n of_o christianity_n in_o england_n hoc_fw-la dato_fw-la non_fw-la concesso_fw-la since_o he_o now_o exact_v our_o assent_n &_o subscription_n to_o a_o damnable_a error_n as_o a_o part_n of_o our_o communion_n and_o therefore_o i_o can_v but_o wonder_n that_o the_o 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