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A70067 A defence of the Resolution of this case viz. whether the Church of England's symbolizing so far as it doth with the Church of Rome makes it unlawfull to communion with the Church of England : in answer to a book intitiuled A modest examination of that resolution. Fowler, Edward, 1632-1714. 1684 (1684) Wing F1697; ESTC R14761 35,631 56

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