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infallibility_n and_o blind_o follow_v those_o guide_n to_o who_o conduct_n they_o have_v unadvised_o commit_v themselves_o than_o come_v off_o again_o with_o the_o shame_n of_o be_v repute_v weak_a and_o inconstant_a so_o terrible_a a_o idol_n be_v this_o vain_a nothing_o the_o opinion_n and_o censure_n of_o foolish_a man_n but_o to_o return_v again_o to_o you_o i_o say_v your_o ignorance_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n beyond_o the_o sea_n do_v plain_o convince_v that_o you_o have_v rash_o and_o therefore_o slanderous_o charge_v i_o with_o the_o crime_n of_o slander_n as_o for_o your_o reason_n you_o add_v consider_v it_o again_o and_o you_o will_v see_v it_o be_v worth_a nothing_o for_o what_o if_o incense_a in_o time_n of_o mass_n be_v understand_v by_o all_o sort_n of_o people_n to_o be_v direct_v to_o god_n alone_o which_o yet_o you_o can_v possible_o know_v yet_o this_o i_o hope_n hinder_v not_o but_o that_o in_o procession_n you_o may_v incense_v the_o 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be_v condemn_v as_o heretic_n for_o two_o thing_n first_o for_o employ_v woman_n in_o the_o place_n and_o office_n of_o priest_n to_o offer_v a_o cake_n not_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o gift_n or_o present_a but_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o a_o participant_fw-la a_o ut_fw-la in_o nomen_fw-la virgin_n collyridem_fw-la quandam_fw-la sacrificarent_fw-la epiph._n haer_fw-mi 78._o offerunt_fw-la panem_fw-la in_o nomen_fw-la mariae_fw-la omnes_fw-la autem_fw-la pane_fw-la participant_fw-la sacrifice_n which_o be_v never_o lawful_a for_o any_o but_o 79._o but_o deo_fw-la enim_fw-la ab_fw-la aeterno_fw-la nulla_fw-la tenus_fw-la mulier_fw-la sacrificavit_fw-la idem_fw-la haeres_fw-la 79._o man_n and_o those_o ibid._n those_o diaconissarum_fw-la ordo_fw-la est_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la sacrificandum_fw-la nam_fw-la neque_fw-la diaconis_fw-la concreditum_fw-la est_fw-la ut_fw-la aliquod_fw-la mysterium_fw-la perficiant_fw-la id._n ibid._n consecrate_v second_o for_o offer_v this_o a_o this_o vid._n sup_v littera_fw-la a_o sacrifice_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n i._n e._n unto_o she_o herself_o direct_o and_o terminative_o as_o a_o act_n of_o ibid._n of_o mortuis_fw-la eultum_fw-la divinum_fw-la praestantes_fw-la id._n ibid._n and_o again_o revera_n virgo_fw-la erat_fw-la honorata_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la adorationem_fw-la nobis_fw-la data_fw-la sed_fw-la ipsa_fw-la adorans_fw-la deum_fw-la and_o again_o non_fw-la ut_fw-la adoretur_fw-la virgo_fw-la nec_fw-la ut_fw-la deum_fw-la hanc_fw-la efficeret_fw-la etc._n etc._n sit_v in_o honore_fw-la maria_fw-la pater_fw-la &_o filius_fw-la &_o spiritus_fw-la s._n adoretur_fw-la mariam_n nemo_fw-la adoret_fw-la deo_fw-la debetur_fw-la hoc_fw-la mysterium_fw-la id._n ibid._n divine_a worship_n and_o adoration_n due_a unto_o she_o as_o unto_o a_o sovereign_a ibid._n sovereign_a pro_fw-la deo_fw-la hanc_fw-la
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sacerdotio_fw-la where_o he_o say_v if_o a_o man_n can_v enter_v into_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n unless_o he_o be_v bear_v again_o of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a spirit_n and_o if_o he_o which_o eat_v not_o the_o flesh_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o drink_v not_o his_o blood_n be_v cast_v out_o of_o eternal_a life_n and_o all_o these_o thing_n can_v be_v do_v by_o any_o other_o but_o only_o by_o those_o holy_a hand_n the_o hand_n i_o say_v of_o the_o priest_n how_o then_o without_o their_o help_n can_v any_o man_n either_o avoid_v the_o fire_n of_o hell_n or_o obtain_v the_o crown_n lay_v up_o for_o we_o theophylact._n in_o 6._o joan._n when_o therefore_o we_o hear_v that_o unless_o we_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n we_o can_v have_v life_n we_o must_v have_v faith_n without_o doubt_v in_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o divine_a mystery_n and_o never_o inquire_v how_o for_o the_o natural_a man_n that_o be_v he_o which_o follow_v humane_a that_o be_v natural_a reason_n 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out_o of_o question_n epist_n 106._o and_o cont._n julian_n lib._n 1._o c._n 4._o where_o he_o tell_v that_o pelagius_n in_o deny_v this_o do_v dispute_v contra_fw-la sedis_fw-la apostolicae_fw-la authoritatem_fw-la against_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o after_o but_o if_o they_o yield_v to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a or_o rather_o to_o the_o master_n himself_o and_o lord_n of_o the_o apostle_n who_o say_v that_o they_o shall_v not_o have_v life_n in_o they_o unless_o they_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n which_o none_o may_v do_v but_o those_o that_o be_v baptize_v then_o at_o length_n they_o will_v confess_v that_o infant_n not_o baptize_v can_v have_v life_n now_o i_o suppose_v no_o man_n will_v doubt_v but_o the_o belief_n of_o the_o apostolic_a sea_n be_v then_o as_o s._n