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A44852	The Puritan convert, not to prelatick Protestantism and yet to prelatick Protestantism, nor to popery and yet to popery, but absolutely and without reserve to apostolical Christianity ..., or, A discourse by way of a letter shewing that prelatick Protestants, if they will be true to their practises and principles, have all reason to turn papists in all things as to what papists indeed hold, but in nothing as to what papists are vulgarly believed to hold ... / by W. H.	W. H.; Hubert, William.	1676 (1676)	Wing H3246A; ESTC R41017	28,965	38

against his Neighbour meerly because he will be so when he is not only no gainer by his malice but also prejudiced by it which notwithstanding if I understand you aright is the state of your Countrey What must we say in this case to satisfie a stranger to our Affairs Why I would tell him the plain truth That is About a hundred and fifty years ago we were all of the present discountenanced parties Religon but the Supreme Power thinking fit in many things to change or as they phrased it to reform the way of worship taught them by their Ancestors partly aggravated real abuses which stood in need of correction and partly calumniated with a thousand lies those who would not joyn with them in their pretended Reformation and those lyes have been propagated from Fathers to Sons ever since Moreover there is a Real and very Considerable difference as to divers points betwixt the Religion established by Law and the Religion of dissenting Papists as we call them Especially about Transubstantiation Invocation of Saints and Purgatory And now you know people of different perswasions are very apt to slander and mis-understand one another hoping thereby to make their own cause more plausible Besides those of the established Religion having the free use not only of the press to write whatsoever they please concerning the discountenanced party but also having the command of all the publick Pulpits in which every week they represent their Adversaries how they please to the whole people no body being permitted to gainsay or contradict them nor even to write any thing but by stealth and after all their Apologies for themselves come into the hands but of a very few And it being very unreasonable to persecute with loss of Estate or Life good and peacable Subjects purely for their Consciences in matters of Religion and this about some nice Points only the Ruling Party or rather the first Reformers to justifie their own severe Laws against dissenters are forced to slander them with a thousand lies before the vulgar Multitude who easily believe what is told them by their Ministers especially if they be such as they Reverence for their seeming learning and good life Nor do I by what I am a saying accuse the whole present Clergy of lying against their Consciences when they tell the people that Papists pray to Stocks and Stones as Gods can have pardon of sin past or leave to commit sin to come for Money No I believe many of them do really think so in their Hearts having been often told so from their Infancy and knowing little of Papists but from printed Books and these made by their Adversaries too But the first Reformers who had been educated in Popery could not but lye against their Consciences when they told the people such lies concerning Papists as I have made mention of above In like manner new Apostate Priests must needs have very bad Consciences when they accuse as they do Papists of such things as their own Consciences tell them themselves were not guilty of when they were Papists For Example the Author of that Scurrilous Pamphlet The Rates of sins in the Custom-house of the Church of Rome What Conscience could he have when he could not but fore see that the common people would thence be confirmed in their mis-belief concerning their Catholick Neighbours that they can have pardon and leave to commit any sin for Money which in his Conscience he knew to be most false And yet after all one that had a mind to vilifie the Church of England might with the like semblace of Truth Intitle a Book The Rates of sins in the Custom house of the Church of England and make good the Title by setting down the Pecuniary Mulcts which are exacted in Bishops Spiritual Courts for Adulteries Fornications Dispensations in Marriages c. as if in the Church of England you might have leave to commit Adultery for so much and Fornication for so much c. when all this while these are only Pecuniary Punishments by which the Ecclesiastical Power discountenances and endeavours to prevent sin and wickedness And yet what hurt do such Paltry Pamphlets the simple half-witted Multitude Jesus have Mercy on the Authors of them But I am giving an account of our mis-understanding one another in matters of Religion Add moreover that Papists do practice certain things which those that are either very ignorant or very malicious may easily make a bad construction of For Example they most commonly say their Prayers kneeling before some Picture of our Blessed Saviour or his Holy Mother or some other Saint hence half-witted people that have often heard that Papists worship Images as Gods do really think they pray to the Picture they kneel to God Almighty before When if you saw their Hearts or would believe their Tongues they are as far from adoring such a Picture as God as Socrates was from worshipping the Clouds as the common people imagin'd when they saw him bow his Body to the Creator of all in the open fields And do no more pray to Pictures than you do to the bare walls or Communion-Table set Altar-wise you kneel before when you are at your Prayers What you do to your Communion-Table or to the Name of Jesus that they do to the Picture of the same Jesus and no more And would you without passion and partiality converse with them you would find what I say to be most true To illustrate what I am a saying give me leave to insert a pleasant Story told me by a Protestant Lady It seems in a Church in Town certain Gentlewomen and these oftentimes but a quarter-pac'd Conformists as the Animadverter upon Naked Truth phrases it sit very near the Communion Table or half-pac'd Popish Altar now Thorough-pac'd Conforming Ladies entring the Church show their respect towards the Holy Table by making a low Reverential Court'sy the Gentlewomen that sit near the Superstitious Altar taking all that respect as done to themselves wonder much at it and whisper to one another Madam Is that Lady of your Acquaintance No. Nor of yours Madam No. Surely she either knows or thinks she knows some of us she so civily salutes us c. Madam you mistake 'T is not to you but to the Holy Eucharist which is wont to be dispensed from the Sacred Table you sit so near the Devout Lady gives all that respect Just so fares it with the Religious Papist who passing by the Image of his Dear Crucified Lord Reverently pulls off his Hat or Respectfully Bows his Head The half-witted Protestant having been told from his Cradle that Papists worship Stocks and Stones as Gods now believes the Papists to be Idolaters not because his Minister told him so but because he has as he thinks been an Eye-witness of their Idolatry when all this while the Devout Romanist shows all this respect not to the Carved Wood or Stone or painted Cloth or Paper he bows before but to his

peradventure there can be no Real Presence of Christs Body The same remaining the same without any change must needs be the same But if there be any change made in Accidents its evident there 's none our Senses and all Popish Doctors confessing as much If therefore there be any change it must be in the substances of Bread and Wine and if so what can such a Change be more properly called than Transubstantiation or the change of the substances of Bread and Wine into the substance of our Blessed Saviours Body and Blood the accidents of figure tast and colour remaining unaltered The Prelatick Protestant wonders that the Puritan when he is going out of this World should find difficulty to make a particular Confession of his sins if any grievous matter lye upon his Conscience and humbly desire the Prelatick Priests Absolution saying over him after his special Confession By the Authority of Jesus Christ committed to me I Absolve thee from thy sins in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost The Puritan replies if Jesus Christ has Instituted any such Ordinance he sees not why every one should not frequent it every year or as often as he finds himself conscious of any heynous crime with the Papist But Jesus Christ having Instituted no such Right or Sacrament he wonders any dare be so bold to press it upon any Christian living or dying and indeed least of all dying when sure if ever we ought to have a care not to seek to please Almighty God by unprescribed Will-worship or Inventions of our own Moreover the Prelatick Protestant wonders at the Puritans Niceness that he can by no means be perswaded to Bow at the Sacred Name of Jesus when Nature teaches us a Relative Reverence to any thing that has a Relative Respect to a Person whom we Honour Every one without scruple standing bare in the Presence-Chamber nor does any one pass the Kings Chair of State without a Reverend Bow whether His Majesty be there or no. And the simple Puritan deems it as gross Idolatry to worship Sounds as Colours Names as Pictures and stranges that any one who does so superstitiously cringe and bow at the Name of Jesus should smile at a Papist for respectfully putting off his Hat when he passes by the Picture of the same Jesus The sound of the Name of Jesus being vanish'd and gone before the superstitious Worshipper can make his Mimical Congy whereas the Picture a far more lively Representation of the same Great Lord is permanent and remains to receive its Devout Reverers Relative Respect The Conformist wonders what there is in a decent White Surplice that should boggle the skewish Puritan And the Puritan admires how any one can think a Surplice should become a publick Minister of the Divine Worship and yet throw away as Babilonish Rags the Popish Girdle Stole and Casuble which add Splendor and Decency to the same unwritten superstitious Garb unless it be because they are more chargable The Conformist wonders at the Puritans scrupulosity that he cannot say Amen to that Prayer in the Burial of the Dead That we with this our Brother and all other departed in the true Faith of thy Holy Name may have our perfect Consummation and Bliss both in Body and Soul c. We must pray for the Dead says the Rector of St. Martins in Oxford in his Sermon called the Schismatical Puritan Thy Kingdom come O Lord raise the dead Prisoners in the Grave And herein we pray for their Souls and Bodies God be with them to comfort their Souls deprived of their Bodies And to the Puritan this seems plain Popery In fine the Prelatick Protestant wonders at the Puritans pride that he will not submit his Judgment in matters of Faith to the determination of a Council of all the Reverend Bishops of the Land His Majesty as supreme Head and Governor presiding And the Puritan is amazed that if we may pin our Faith upon another mans sleeve safely believe as a particular Church in England believes how it can be unsafe to submit ones judgment to the determination of a General Council of all the Learned Bishops of the Christian world his Holiness the Pope as supreme Pastor presiding believe as the Universal Church of Christ believes 'T is fitting says the Conformist that for order sake in Christs Church there should be in every Nation some supreme Governors to whose Directions in matters of Divine Worship all should submit else we shall have as many Christian Religions and ways of Worship as there are Parishes nay as there are private Families or particular Persons The Puritan replies if we must conclude our Lord Jesus governs his Church as our reason tells us it's fitting he should for Union Decency and Order govern it and not according to the infallible written Rule of the New Testament If the Case be this It seems to him as rational that he should for the same Reasons of conserving Union Decency and Order in his Church appoint one supreme Pastor over all Christians dispersed in all the Nations of the World whom all should obey in the vacancy of General Councils for fear forsooth otherwise there should be as many ways of Christian Worship as there are several Christian Kingdoms of Common-wealths I speak not this to revile the established Religion of the Nation but to excite the Professors of it to observe devoutly what they Christianly profess as to Holy-days Lent Fridays and other Fasting-days Confession of sins to a Priest and other Holy and Profitable Rites when Piously and Reverently performed and by which they are distinguished from Non-conformists And by this time I hope My Dearest Relations you understand what I mean by a Prelatick Protestant But what do I understand by Popery and a Papist Why what should I understand by a Papist but what the generality of people understand by a Papist Those things we call Stones which every body commonly speaking calls Stones and so I understand by Popery and a Papist what every body commonly speaking calls a Papist and Popery By a Papist then I understand one that worships Stocks and Stones Medals and Pictures of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary and other Saints as Gods and consequently prays to them and puts his whole confidence in them as the ancient Heathens did in their dumb Idols of Jupiter Mars and Venus c. I say one that worships Pictures of Jesus Christ as Gods Not barely one that has such Pictures and for pious purposes also for that Prelatick Protestants have as well as they Protestants have Pictures of Jesus Christ and his Holy Mother not only in their private Houses and publick Churches but even their very Common-Prayer Books are full of them in the last Impression to excite in the Beholders mind a lively apprehension of our Blessed Saviours life and death Nor can I think they that are so ceremonious in devoutly Bowing when they hear the Holy Name

great Lord Jesus in Heaven represented by those Figures Put all that has been said together and you will see there is no great wonder in it that the commonalty of our sadly divided Countrey should believe a thousand lies in matters of Religion concerning their Catholick Neighbours especially if you add that those who have been about 150 years slandering of them have withall told the vulgar that Catholicks are such a cunning and deceitful people that you may not believe them in one word what they say to you concerning their Religion but being asham'd of their Fopperies they will deny them if you lay them to their charge Or if at any time you meet with any whose candor and sincerity you are so convinced of that you cannot think he would tell you a lye Then you must imagine him to be of a particular belief and temper from all other Catholicks and though he hold no such absurdities by reason of his better understanding learning c. yet the generality of the people most certainly hold them all O the craft and cunning of the Devil and deceitful Men thus to blind and miserably impose upon the simple and well-meaning vulgar Jesus of his Mercy open their Eyes and make them see who they are that thus sadly delude and cheat them Besides the Laws being very severe against Catholicks many are afraid to have a better opinion of them than they are taught to have though they even see they are much slandered lest they should be convinced of the truth of their Religion and then be obliged either to damn their Souls if they would not embrace it or loose their Estates and Preferments if they did embrace it Finally Catholick Religion is a Holy and Strict Religion and therefore no wonder if the Professors of it be hated and ill spoke of by the wicked and loose world Libertines willingly speak ill of those that are strict and very conscientious in their ways but being ashamed to revile them for their Vertues though that be the real quarrel which they have with them they mis-interpret their innocent and good Actions and calumniate their persons with a thousand slanders For Example Catholick Religion teaches that if any one have wronged his Neighbour by cheating cozening or stealing any thing from him he 's bound if he be able under pain of damnation to make restitution and without this no Tears no Prayers no Faith in the Blood of Christ can save him The same Religion teaches also that you are bound under pain of damnation to confess your most secret sins to a Priest and that if you be truly penitent and resolved to lead a new life upon the Priests absolution on Earth you are most certainly pardoned in Heaven It teaches also that you have a like obligation to abstain from Flesh in Lent and upon other days of Abstinence Fridays Vigils c. Now Flesh and Blood does not like these Restraints And hence those that have no mind either to make Restitution of ill gotten Goods or to discover their shameful sins to a Priest or to abstain from Flesh on certain days and understanding that Priests when people confess to them enjoyn them to make Restitution and if they be not able to fast enjoyn them oftentimes to give Alms in lieu of it and in such cases dispense with the Ecclesiastical Law of Abstinence this is ground enough to calumniate poor Papists and to tell the simple Multitude that they can buy pardon of their sins for Money and have leave from their Priests to break any Law of God for Money and let them commit what villanies they please 't is but confessing them to a Priest and this without any repentance or purpose of Amendment Misereor super turbam What Christian Heart would it not make to bleed to see how the well-meaning Multitude are abused and imposed upon by their deceived Guides My Dear Relations For the love you have to your Immortal Souls do your selves that right as but familiarly to converse with your Catholick Neighbours and with as little passion as you can do but ask them an account of their Religion and do not against all common sense and reason believe the Testimony of their Adversaries concerning them and their Religion rather than them themselves and if you do not find that you have been taught a thousand lies concerning them and that they hold nothing nor practice nothing but what they are able to give a very satisfactory Account of to any impartial Enquirer then say I am a Knave a Lyer and a Cheat one that deserves no Mercy from God or Man in this World or the next but if you find what I have said to be most true pray for those that have deceived you and think seriously what it behoves you to do and whetehr you have not reason to suspect those Church-men who stand in need of such notorious lies and slanders thereby to defend themselves against their Adversaries If Popery be such a doltish and senseless Religion then what need of belying it and slandering it to make it odious to the People and what fear of Its overspreading the Nation by a free and unlimited Toleration But the truth is it 's a Holy and most rational Religion and such as Men must cease to be Men or they cannot but acknowledge the Finger of God in it when it is duly and truly represented as it is in it self devoid of all those fopperies and lies with which it is calumniated by its Adversaries For the love of God what Papist in the world believes that the Gospel is but a Fable of Christ that the Bishop of Rome is a God Not any sin but is or may be indulged amongst them and scarce a known sin but there is a known price for it and at their Market-rate you may commit them when you will that they allow Whoredom all the year long and the practices of other uncleannesses not to be named among Men in some Months of the year that mortal sins are put away by Agnus Dei's by little parcels of the Gospel by Popes and Bishops Pardons c. That Christ is the Saviour of Men only but of no Women for Women are saved by St. Clare and Mother Jane That the Pope may check when he pleases the Epistles of St. Paul and controul any thing avouched by all the Apostles That we must simply believe the Church of Rome whether it teach true or false and if the Pope believe there is no life to come we must believe it as an Article of our Faith What Papist in the world believes one of all these Madnesses and Blasphemies and yet the whole Roman Church is charged with them all by no less a Man than the present Arch-Bishop of York if that Book be his Grace's which is commonly sold in London with his Name to it and the Printers also under the Title of a Manul of Active Positive and Oppositive Divinity written by him to preserve a Noble