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A41774 The Baptist against the papist, or, The Scripture and Rome in contention about the supream seat of judgment, in controversies of religion together with ten arguments or reasons, discovering the present papal church of Rome to be no true church of Christ : wherein it is also evinced that the present assemblies of baptized believers, are the true church of Jesus Christ / by Tho. Grantham ... Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1663 (1663) Wing G1527; ESTC R40005 55,798 108

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say_v because_o the_o church_n have_v but_o one_o baptism_n of_o water_n and_o it_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o scripture_n and_o ground_v upon_o it_o and_o much_o scripture_n find_v for_o it_o so_o be_v not_o infant_n baptism_n which_o be_v the_o baptism_n of_o the_o present_a papal_a church_n therefore_o the_o papal_a baptism_n be_v no_o baptism_n how_o can_v they_o defend_v themselves_o will_v they_o say_v the_o church_n have_v a_o scripture-baptism_n and_o a_o unwritten_a baptism_n this_o they_o must_v say_v and_o prove_v or_o else_o deny_v their_o infant_n baptism_n but_o second_o the_o present_a papal_a church_n be_v so_o adulterate_v in_o the_o manner_n of_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n as_o that_o have_v they_o a_o true_a subject_n for_o baptism_n yet_o they_o will_v be_v find_v to_o have_v no_o baptism_n this_o will_v appear_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o light_n from_o the_o papist_n own_o confession_n for_o they_o grant_v that_o the_o ancient_a and_o primitive_a way_n of_o 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person_n to_o be_v baptize_v and_o now_o do_v not_o all_o that_o will_v presume_v to_o satisfy_v themselves_o in_o this_o thing_n with_o a_o few_o drop_n of_o water_n put_v on_o the_o face_n only_o from_o a_o man_n finger_n end_n or_o out_o of_o a_o glass_n in_o the_o midwife_n pocket_n lay_v great_a folly_n and_o ignorance_n to_o the_o charge_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o primitive_a follower_n doubtless_o such_o as_o be_v not_o less_o than_o the_o folly_n of_o that_o man_n that_o have_v occasion_n only_o for_o one_o gill_n of_o water_n and_o he_o may_v take_v it_o up_o at_o the_o side_n of_o the_o brook_n and_o yet_o will_v needs_o wade_v into_o the_o middle_n of_o a_o river_n to_o take_v it_o up_o or_o a_o man_n that_o have_v occasion_n to_o wash_v his_o hand_n only_o which_o he_o may_v perform_v very_o commodious_o without_o wet_v his_o foot_n and_o yet_o be_v so_o simple_a that_o he_o will_v needs_o go_v into_o the_o middle_n of_o the_o river_n to_o that_o purpose_n especial_o such_o a_o river_n where_o there_o be_v much_o water_n i_o say_v the_o practice_n of_o sprinkle_v which_o the_o papist_n and_o other_o use_n if_o that_o answer_n the_o mind_n of_o god_n in_o the_o case_n of_o baptism_n do_v even_o thus_o reflect_v upon_o christ_n and_o the_o christian_n in_o those_o day_n but_o let_v our_o saviour_n practice_n herein_o be_v justify_v and_o all_o such_o practice_n as_o tend_v to_o the_o render_v it_o ridiculous_a condemn_v the_o papist_n only_a reserve_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o infant_n baptism_n be_v this_o they_o say_v it_o be_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n that_o be_v a_o precept_n deliver_v by_o the_o apostle_n word_n but_o not_o mention_v in_o their_o write_n this_o i_o shall_v show_v to_o be_v utter_o false_a for_o divers_a important_a reason_n first_o no_o
power_n be_v the_o instrument_n that_o in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o church_n be_v to_o exercise_v government_n matth._n 18._o 17_o 18_o 1_o cor._n 5._o 3_o 4_o 5._o 1_o tim._n 1._o 20._o &_o 5._o 20._o this_o government_n consist_v in_o these_o thing_n exhortation_n rebuke_n reproof_n etc._n etc._n with_o all_o long-suffering_a and_o doctrine_n 2_o tim._n 1._o 2._o and_o if_o this_o prevail_v not_o with_o the_o offender_n then_o be_v the_o power_n of_o excommunication_n to_o be_v exercise_v to_o the_o withhold_a their_o privilege_n in_o the_o church_n and_o to_o the_o deliver_v they_o up_o to_o satan_n for_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o flesh_n and_o for_o save_v the_o sinner_n from_o his_o sin_n and_o if_o this_o prevail_v not_o than_o the_o sinner_n sin_n be_v retain_v till_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n but_o if_o the_o sinner_n be_v humble_v the_o sin_n be_v by_o the_o church_n to_o be_v remit_v and_o the_o offender_n restore_v matth._n 18._o 17_o 18_o 1_o cor._n 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