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A63346	A true account of the whole proceedings betwixt His Grace James Duke of Ormond, and the Right Honor. Arthur, Earl of Anglesey, late Lord Privy-Seal, before the King and Council and the said Earls letter of the second of August to His Majesty on that occasion : with a letter of the now Lord Bishop of Winchester's to the said Earl, of the means to keep out popery, and the only effectual expedient to hinder the growth thereof, and to secure both the Church of England, and the Presbiterian party.	Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688.; Anglesey, Arthur Annesley, Earl of, 1614-1686.; Morley, George, 1597-1684.	1682 (1682)	Wing T2408; ESTC R24643	20,676	35

to think I have but thanks be to God our Church wants not those that have and can and will Answer all that hath been or is or can be objected against her or any of the Doctrines which in opposition to the Church of Rome are professed by her neither do I know any one Book or any one Argument worth the taking notice of written or urged by any Romanist for them or against us in any material point of Difference betwixt us that hath not been clearly and fully Answered over and over again by some or other of our own Church of England to say nothing of those Eminently Learned and Pious Divines of the other Reformed Protestant Churches beyond the Seas so that to Answer every impertinent Pamphlet that comes forth which hath nothing but what hath been so often Answered before in it is but Actum agere stultus labor ineptiarum and therefore the Wiseman that bids us for bids us too to Answer a Fool in his folly his meaning is that after we have Answered him once we should Answer him no more especially such Kind of fools quos non persuadebis etiamsi persua●eris and such are all those who contend for Interest and not for truth Demetrius will hold his Conclusion that Diana is a Goddess as long as he hath nothing to live by but the making of Shrines but is there then nothing to be done will you say to keep out Popery now it seems to be flowing in upon us yes no doubt there is and I hope there will be when His Majesty shall see a Convenient time for it but it will not be done when it is done by writing or answering of Books pro and con of which there will never be an end But how is it to be done then I answer viderint illi qui ad Clavum sedent let them look to it who sit at the helm I am ready to obey whatsoever I shall be Commanded to that purpose as far as my Conscience will permit and I thank God I have done so both formerly and in my late visitation of my whole Diocess which perhaps you may have heard of little to my Credit if the Pseudo-Catholicks have informed you of it but I care not what they or any other Hereticks or Schismaticks do or can say of me as long as I do that and no more then what my Duty to God and the King and the Place I hold in the Church requires of me You know what I was for in the late Sessions of Parliament I mean not a comprehension but a Coalition or Incorporation of the Presbiterian Party into the Church as it is by Law Established and I am still of the same opinion that it is the one only effectual Expedient to hinder the growth of Popery and to secure both parties and I am very Confident that there are no Presbiterians in the World the Scotch only Excepted that would not Conform to all that is Required by our Church especially in such a Juncture of time as this is which is all I have to say as to that particular at this distance My Lord the visit your Son made me I took for a great Honor and favor from him especially considering how much good I have heard of him which I hope will Increase every day more and more in him that the succeeding age may be the better for him My Lord I am Your Lordships very humble Servant Geor. Winton Farnham Castle July 4th 1672. Directed For the Right honorable the Earl of Anglesey FINIS The Reader is desired to amend or pass by the Errors of the Press E Castlehav Memoirs p. 12. Pref. to the Memoirs P. 51. P. 33.

A TRUE ACCOUNT Of the whole PROCEEDINGS Betwixt his Grace JAMES Duke of ORMOND And the Right Honor. ARTHUR Earl of ANGLESEY LATE Lord PRIVY-SEAL Before the KING and COUNCIL and the said Earls Letter of the second of August to His Majesty on that Occasion WITH A Letter of the now Lord Bishop of Winchester 's to the said Earl of the means to keep out Popery and the only effectual expedient to hinder the growth thereof and to secure both the Church of England and the Presbiterian party London Printed for Thomas Fox at the Angel and Star in Westminster-Hall 1682. TO THE READER THat there hath been a Controversie between the Duke of Ormond and the Earl of Anglsey the immediate consequence of which hath been the removal of the Earl from a Place of great Honor and Trust under his Majesty for which he was in every respect extraordinarily well qualified perhaps no man questions And many may be likely to say that the more fatal such quarrels amongst great Personages are to either side the more instructive they commonly prove to the rest of Mankind who are thereby let into a Prospect of those things which were thought too sacred for the view of the profane Vulgar As every inferior Soldier may learn Skill Address by seeing two Generals engage in the sight of their Armies so certainly this Paper Battel between these Great ones may be of use to all sorts of men that have the lest Grain of that commendable Ambition to propound to themselves the greatest Examples Wherefore I conceive no man of which side soever Fortune or Choice hath placed him can blame me for procuring and exposing to publick view authentick transcripts of what hath passed in this Affair The bare curiosity to know how such men write were almost enough to tempt any one to peruse these papers but then when they relate to the History of unmovable Affairs of which eitherof the parties may say Quorum pars magna fui And when they were so great men in themselves their Parts in the History so great that they may be compared to Caesar writing the Commentaries of his own Enterprises I should think him very dull that need be courted to be a Reader But these Papers carry in them what I hope vvill further recommend and endear them to the greater part of this Nation most of them being in defence of the poor English Protestants in Ireland to some of vvhich the Earl of Anglesey hath most generously asserted the glory of their Martyrdom and to others the unblemished honor of preventing the utter ruin extirpation of the rest The Earl of Castlehaven who had been too too fortunate an Head to the RomanCatholick Rebels in Ireland had not only in Print justified his own engagement with that bloody Party butwould make that chiefly a Defensive War w ch was certainly the effect of an universal conspiracy amongst the Papists there Nor is it to be doubted but there were Encouragers in England This engaged the Earl of Anglesey amidst his many avocations to ward off the second blow against them who had suffered almost beyond all Example before and his interposition extracted from the Earl of Castlehaven a Confession that he himself acted as a Rebel and that all the Water in the Sea cannot wash that Rebellion off that Nation which was begun most bloodily on the English in that Kingdom in a time of a setled Peace without the least occasion given I must confess there are several passages in the Letter to the Earl of Castlehaven wherein the Duke of Ormond seems concerned to vindicate his own actions How far the Charge or the Defence is made good it is not for me to judge nor shall I in the least enter into the merits of it I am sure the Earl of Anglesey made a most noble Declaration fit to be written in Letters of Gold Truth says he being the greatest and best Friend I had rather one or several Persons and Families should lie under the consequence of its impartiality than that the English Nation and Protestant Religion should suffer by a timorous unworthy concealing or with-holding any part of it This being the said Earlsavowed Principle methinks he ought to be importunedby a publick Address that what he hath meditated and hath been preparing from Records and authentick unquestionable Relations and Transactions of that bloody Tragedy and matchless defection from the Crown and very Nation of English men may soon see the light To the KING' 's Most Excellent Majesty The Duke of Ormond Your Majesties Lieutenant of Ireland and Steward of Your Majesties Houshold most humbly represents THat the Earl of Anglesey Lord Privy-Seal in the Year 1681. caused a Book to be Printed whereof he hath acknowledged himself to be the Author intituled A Letter from a Person of Honour in the Country written to the Earl of Castlehaven being Observations and Reflections upon his Lordships Memoirs concerning the Wars of Ireland That in the said Book there are divers passages and expressions which are not only untrue but reflecting in a high degree upon His Late Majesties Government and particularly in Relation to the Rebellion and War in Ireland and to the several Cessations and Peaces made by His and Your Majesties Authority and Command That in the said Book the Lord Privy-Seal hath Malitiously endeavour'd to Calumniate and Asperse the Duke of Ormond by calling in question his Faithfulness and Loyalty to His Late Majesty the Sincerity of his Profession in point of Religion and insinuating that the Cessations and Peaces destructive as he says to the English and Protestants were advised and procured by him the said Duke out of his Affection to the Irish Popish Rebells because he was Allyed to many of them in Blood and by Marriages That the Lord Privy-Seal in the course of above Twenty Years free and friendly Acquaintance and Correspondence with the Duke of Ormond never thought fit to give him any intimation of his Lordships Intention to write a History of the Wars of Ireland and other transactions there wherein both the Duke and his Lordship tho' of opposite Parties had a great part but chose rather to seek for information from the Earl of Castlehaven and to publish his Observations on the Earl of Castlehaven ' s Memoirs in a Conjuncture when his Reflections in his Book and his Letter of the Seventh of December 1681. to the Duke of Ormond might not only do most mischief to him but to the Government The Duke of Ormond humbly conceives that at least while the Lord Privy-Seal and he have the honor to be of your Majesties Privy Council and in the stations they are it will not be fit for him to publish such an Answer to the Lord Privy-Seal's Book and Letter as might otherwise be necessary in Vindication of Truth His Late Majesties Justice and Honor and his own Integrity It is therefore most humbly proposed That Your Majesty would be

pleased to appoint a Committee of your Privy-Council to look over the Lord Privy-Seal's Book and to call his Lordship and the Duke of Ormond before them and if upon Report from them it shall appear to your Majesty that the Earl of Anglesey has fallen into the Mistakes and Errors herein laid to his Charge That then Your Majesty would be pleased to Consider of the best and most Authentick means how Reparation may be made to all that are injured by the Earl of Anglesey's Book and Letter and to prevent the Credit his great Place supposed Knowledge especially in the Affairs of Ireland and his pretended Candor and Impartiality may give to his Writings in these and future times ORMOND A True Copy John Nicholas At the Court at Hampton-Court June 17. 1682. By the KING' 's Most Excellent Majesty AND The Lords of His Majesties most Honorable Privy-Council THE annexed Representation of his Grace the Duke of Ormond Lord Lieutenant of Ireland c. being this day presented and read to His Majesty in Council His Majesty taking the contents thereof into His Royal Consideration as a matter of very great Importance was pleased to Declare That he would hear the matter thereof in Council And did order That a Copy of the said Representation be delivered to the Earl of Anglesey Lord Privy-Seal And that his Lordship do attend His Majesty in Council on Fryday next at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon at White-Hall when His Majesty hath appointed to take that Business into further Consideration John Nicholas The Earl of Anglesey Lord Privy-Seal being by the said Order of His Majesty in Council of June 17. appointed to be at Council at white-Hall June 23. being not able to stand by reason of the Gout yet got out of his Bed and was carried thither where when the King came he spake to His Majesty as I am well inform'd to this effect SIR I Am in the first place to beg Your Majesties Pardon for my Obedience to Your Order for appearing here this day being in no condition of health to have left my Bed and altogether unfit for the presence of the King And indeed I expected that the Duke of Ormond would rather have Complained and Printed against the Earl of Castlehaven his Memoirs which Aspersed and Scandalised Your Royal Father's Government and represented the Protestants of Ireland as Rebells and the Confederate Irish Papists as Loyal Subjects then against me who had Vindicated His Majesties Government and his Protestant Faithful Subjects so Effectually in my Letter to the said Earl That his Lordship in an Epistle to the Reader which he after added to his Memoirs confessed himself and the Irish Confederates the Rebells And that all the Water in the Sea would not wash that Rebellion off that Nation This is the first quarrel I ever had with any man and Your Majesty sees how it is brought upon me and cannot but believe it very unwelcome to me from one who hath so many Years professed Friendship to me But that which troubles me in it is That it is pretended to be upon account of my failing in Duty to His Late Majesty and Your Self whereas if I can pretend to Merit in any thing it is for Exemplary and Considerable Faithfulness and Service to You both SIR That I may not trouble You with much Discourse I have reduced the Vindication of my Innocence to Writing which I present for my Answer to the Duke of Ormond ' s Accusation and to which I shall add no more but my desire That tho' the Duke of Ormond hath thought fit to Attaque me thus causelesly all the Contention hereafter between him and me may be who shall serve Your Majesty best and cost You least In the next place all the Papers Written and Printed that had passed between the Duke and the Lord Privy-Seal were read as they lay in order and both the Lords discoursed and bandied the matter fully which the King heard with great Patience The Duke of Ormond notwithstanding doing that right to the Lord Privy-Seal as to Acknowledge that none had been more Active and Instrumental in his Majesties Happy Restauration or carried it on with more Success in great Dangers and Difficulties than his Lordship In conclusion the Duke was Ordered to charge the Lord Privy-Seal by particulars in Writing that he might know what to Answer generals not being sufficient and so that business was left at that time Now follows the Lord Privy-Seal's Answer to the Duke of Ormonds Representation or Complaint against him To the King 's most Excellent Majesty The Earl of Anglesey Keeper of your Majesties Privy-Seal mistead by an ill President admitted most humbly represents THat having this Eighteenth day of June received in Bed where he had continued for above a Month last past very much afflicted with the Gout and deprived of the use of Hands and Leggs and by reason of Pains and Sicknesses getting little rest which he hath reason to believe was well known to the Duke of Ormond your Majesties Order in Council of the Seventeenth with a Copy of the Representation of the said Duke annexed and Command to attend your Majesty in Council on Fryday next at Three of the Clock in the Afternoon at White-Hall which he resolves by Gods Blessing to do if he shall be in a Capacity of Health and Strength to be carried thither without Peril of his Life which he doth not believe that the Duke himself thinks after a year and halfs concerning himself in this Controversie is to be adventured to gratifie a hasty proposal upon his changing his way of proceeding In the mean time That your Majesty may not be under the least prepossession by what the Duke hath represented with heat and sharpnels against the said Earl he doth humbly offer to Consideration That though the Duke appear before your Majesty as a Representer the said Earl cannot but look upon him as a Petitioner the Title by which all Subjects that complain Address to your Majesty and for want of which he hath observed many Suitors rejected with their Requests And therefore your Majesty is desired to be informed in the first place by a deduction of all that hath passed between the Duke and the Earl in this Affair which is as followeth The Book complained of was written about two years ago by meer Accident of the Earl of Castlehaven's sending his Printed Memoirs to the Earl then at Blethington in Oxfordshire where having read the same and conceiving the English and Protestants to be unjustly dealt with therein and the Irish foul Cause professedly justified though the most Execrable Rebellion that ever was in the World the Earl could not digest the same but upon a bare Old Memory without help of Writings or Notes immediately put pen to paper and the Eighth of July wrote a Letter to the said Earl of Castlehaven which he believes his Lordship hath yet to shew tho' when it appeared afterwards in print

about October 1680. one was sent to his Lordship taking Notice thereof and asking him what he had done with the said Letter who then Confessed he had lent it to a Friend but he would recover it again The Letter being thus Printed the Duke of Ormond had soon sight of it for in his Letter to the Earl of Anglesey of November the 12th 1681. he takes Notice that he had seen it a Year before and writes his Pleasure of it so Satirically that the said Earl returned his Answer of the 7th of October following which the said Duke takes Notice of in his said Representation though he never before acknowledged the Receipt thereof nor was pleased to make any Reply to it though it gave him sufficient occasion thus when the said Earl expected a Reply things stood till the said Complaint made to your Majesty which he humbly submits whether it be fit to be received or proceeded upon in Council after so open a litigation thereof in Print wherein the said Duke had appealed to the People and accused the Earl with as much Acrimony as it was possible for the Duke 's sharp Pen to do it being as the said Earl conceives below the dignity of Your Majesty and the Board after the Duke has proceeded so far in a private Quarrel of his own making without Success and that those the Duke had appealed to seemed generally satisfied that the Earl had fully Vindicated himself from the Aspersions laid upon him by the Duke 's said Letter for your Majesty to be Addressed to so late and in a Cause so concluded wherein the Earl had justified himself in the method the Duke himself lead him and is ready to proceed further so to do if the Duke shall please to Reply in maintenance of his Printed Charge However the Earl not knowing what course in this Affair will be pursued or directed saith that he doth not disown the Book mentioned in the Duke's Representation so far as he hath acknowledg'd the same in a Letter written by him to the said Duke But denies that in the said Book or Letter there are divers or any passages and expressions which are not only untrue but reflecting in a lugh degree upon his Late Majesties Government and particularly in Relation to the Rebellion and War in Ireland and to the several Cessations and Peaces made by his and your Majesties Authority and Command which the said Earl hath formerly intimated in writing to the said Duke in Answer to a Letter of his insinuating the same thing and urging for particulars which the said Earl could never yet obtain The said Earl is no further charged with malitiously calumniating and aspersing the said Duke and insinuating several particulars to that purpose but the passages in the said Books of that import are still reserved and not thought fit by the said Duke to be expressed so as the Earl may know what or how to Answer And the said Duke is not ignorant that malitious Calumny or Scandal against so great a Person as the Duke of Ormond is severely punishable by Law What to say more herein the said Earl knows not till the Duke gives more clear and particular occasion Whosever shall take Notice of what the Duke Asserts of his and the Earls free Converse and Friendship for above twenty years and which the Earl adds and the Duke cannot forget the real and adventurous friendship with the Earl hath ingaged in with and for the Duke he cannot but wonder as others do that they are so easily cancell'd and turned into rancor and ill returns without demonstrating a change in the Earl which may satisfie inquiring men the Duke hath a Cause For else it seems wonderful and past belief to intelligent men that the Earl who professeth that he bears Malice to no Person living nor ever had quarrel with any man that counts it his great misfortune in his Old Age when he was preparing to go to his Grave in Peace and in perfect Charity with all men he should be Attacqued by one who hath professed friendship to him above these twenty years and as he finds by Letters and otherwise was intimatly a friend to his Father As it is miraculous to the same degree that the Earl in his circumstances should willingly be drawn into controversie with so great and fortunate a man and so antient a friend as the Duke of Ormond But since it hath been the Dukes pleasure or humor so violently and so many ways to assault the Earl he must not take it ill that he cannot bear wounds patiently and without just resentment The Duke complains further that in the course of above twenty years free and friendly acquaintance and correspondence with him the Earl never thought fit to give him any intimation of his intent to write a History of the Wars of Ireland and other Transactions there The said Earl cannot recollect with certainty whether he did or no but he very well remembreth that many years ago he acquainted Sir George Lane then the Duke's Secretary and now Viscount of Lanesborrow and who told him he had the custody of all the Duke's Papers and Writings of publick Affairs with his intended History of Ireland who promised him the assistance of them but he could never yet obtain any from him Nor from the Duke himself since he made a free offer and promise of them by his Letter of the 12th of November threatning to appeal from the Earl as a partially ingag'd and unfaithful Historian if he accepted them not he being as he wrote more desirous to prevent than rectifie Errors and mistakes The Earl having this noble encouragement from so great a person and who was to make so great a part of it to proceed in his History by his Letter of the Seventh of October acknowledged and accepted the Duke's favour expecting the performance thereof but never heard since from the Duke till by his Representation to your Majesty wherein he seems to forget or retract all that had passed tho' the Earl had given him all the Assurance a man of honour could do that he would be exactly faithful and impartial in the History and now shews that he is unwilling any History should be written by the Earl whose candor and impartiality he will yet allow to be but pretended and therefore proposeth that your Majesty will prevent the Credit which they his great place and supposed knowledge especially in the Affair of Ireland may give to his Writings in these and future times never considering that himself hath greater Places Yet the Earl doth not apprehend their giving Credit to any thing the Duke hath or shall write against the Truth which the Earl is resolved to tye himself strictly and authentically to if he be suffered to go on and not discouraged in his Design with which he intended to close his Labours in this Life for the good of England and the Safety of that poor Kingdom of Ireland harrassed by Rebellions and

almost worn out his Strength and Life without Conviction of any failure or transgression which surely the said Duke would never do after he had privately quarrell'd the Earl and exposed him the worst he could in Print and this Affair having taking a circuit of almost two years unless he conceived he had met with some extraordinary juncture to bear down the Earl nor trouble your Majesty and Council when so great Affairs are before them with such private concerns and complaints after so long a run and using other ways unsuccessfully to Vindicate himself from what was never intended as a Charge against him I conclude Praying as I have heartily endeavored for the Glory and Prosperity of your Majesties Government to be equal to the greatest of your Royal Predecessors wishing your Majesty many such Subjects as I have been and am whom the Duke of Ormond seems so Earnest to rid your Majesty of or leave under a black Character and misrepresentation in your Service which he shall never be able to compass ANGLESEY At the Court at White-Hall this 13th day of July 1682. By the King 's Most Excellent Majesty AND The Lords of His Majesties most Honorable Privy-Council UPon Reading this day at the Board a Paper delivered in by his Grace the Duke of Ormond His Majesty in Council was pleased to Order That a Copy of the said Paper be sent to the Right Honorable the Earl of Anglesey Lord Keeper of the Privy-Seal which is accordingly hereunto annexed who is to return an Answer thereunto to His Majesty in Council upon Thursday the 20th instant at Hampton Court at Nine in the Morning Phil. Loyd I. THE Cessations and Peaces Dishonorable to the Crown of England Pag. 27. II. Of Advantage only to the Irish. ibid. III. Destructive to the English Protestants ibid. IV. That therefore the Lords Justices and Council were from the beginning averse to them Pag. 60. V. That for the same reasons the chief and most of the English Nobility in Ireland and the generality of the English Scotch and Irish Protestants of all Qualities and Degrees sooner or later opposed both the Cessations and Peaces Pag. 65. VI. That amongst them were found the Earls of Kildare Thomond c. Ibid. VII And that the two first Peaces were against Law and several Acts of Parliament in both Kingdoms Pag. 64. The Council not sitting the 20th of July tho' the Lord Privy-Seal who received the 13th the particular Charges of the Duke of Ormond against him then delivered in Answer'd them the 14th yet gave not in his Answer till the next Council held at Hampton-Court the 27th of July which was as followeth July the 14th 1682. The Answer of Arthur Earl of Anglesey Lord Privy-Seal to the Paper deliver'd by the Duke of Ormond at Council July 13. 1682. as a Charge of particulars against him SAving still the benefit of his former Answer deliver'd in the 23d of June and what was then done at Council the said Earl further saith That 't is to be consider'd that all the said particulars were passages in a private Letter to a Friend not designed for publick view That the Earl of Castlehaven to whom it was written being convinced thereby as appears by a Second Epistle to the Reader added to his Memoirs wherein he saith that his acting as a Confederate Catholick was in plain English as a Rebel That he doth not excuse the Rebellion for all the Water of the Sea cannot wash it off that Nation it having been begun most bloodily on the English in that Kingdom in a time of setled Peace without the least occasion given A Noble and Remarkable Confession of one who had been long of the Supreme Council of the Confederate Irish. And which makes it the more wonderful that the Duke of Ormond should be so severe a Censor on a Letter which had so good an effect on him it was written to In the next place the said Earl saith That since the Duke of Ormond thought it fit to concern himself in a Letter not written to him he should have been so impartial as to have taken Notice of this Passage therein Pag. 61. Your Lordship having been privy to all the Cabals and Secret Councils against the English and Protestants will I hope if you find any thing written by me questionable or doubtful in your Opinion favour me with your severest Reflections thereupon for as I design nothing but exact Truth wherever it light so if by any inadvertancy or want of full information I should Err or come short in the least your Lordship shall find me ready to retract or supply but never to persist in it whereby it appears that the Earl of Anglesey had no Intention to Injure any man as he is not Conscious he hath These things premised the said Earl gives this short Answer or rather Justification to the said particular Charges First to that Marked No. 1. 2. 3. which are all but one Clause in the letter Page 27 viz. that the Cessations and Peaces were of advantage only to the Irish and highly dishonorable to the Crown of England and destructive to the English and Protestants Answer The said Earl passing by the Irish and Papists being the Chief promoters of them the English and Protestants sent Agents to Oxford purposely to oppose and divert the Influence thereof and to hinder agreements with the Irish which they fore-saw would be destructive to the English and Protestants the whole passages of the proceedings herein were published in 1644. in a Book Intituled the False and Scandalous Remonstrance of the Inhumane and Bloody Rebells of Ireland together with an Answer thereunto on the behalf of the Protestants of Ireland the perusal whereof will fully Justify the Earl in what he hath written besides the Two Houses of Parliament their Declarations and Reasons against both Cessations and Peaces But to put it past dispute the Earl Refers to His Majesties Declaration and the Act for the Settlement of Ireland in which the Duke of Ormond himself had a great hand and gave the Royal Assent pa. 10. c. By which his Majesty that now is in full Parliament Declares that his Royal Father had been forced to the Cessation and Peace which he had made with the Irish and that he was thereby Compelled to give them a full pardon in the same Act His Majesty also declares that he himself was necessitated to make the second Peace with the Irish upon difficult Conditions If all this do not prove the Cessations and Peaces dishonorable to the Crown of England of advantage only to the Irish and destructive to the English and Protestants I submit to Judgment And why else were the Peaces upon hearing all Parties laid aside and the Irish their Estates divided among the English 2d Charge That therefore the Lords Justices and Council were from the beginning averse to them page 60. Answer To prove that the Justices and Council were from the beginning averse to the