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de_fw-la aliena_fw-la oblatione_fw-la communicare_fw-la temp_n and_o therefore_o he_o bid_v all_o communicants_a to_o make_v their_o own_o oblation_n at_o the_o altar_n but_o suppose_v these_o expression_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o oblation_n of_o the_o people_n as_o it_o be_v certain_a the_o prayer_n call_v secretae_fw-la and_o the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n be_v yet_o it_o be_v not_o fair_o do_v of_o t._n g._n to_o leave_v out_o a_o very_a significant_a word_n which_o immediate_o follow_v viz._n laudis_fw-la qui_fw-la tibi_fw-la offerunt_fw-la hoc_fw-la sacrificium_fw-la laudis_fw-la if_o the_o people_n be_v allow_v their_o share_n in_o the_o eucharistical_a sacrifice_n of_o praise_n and_o thanksgiving_n what_o be_v this_o to_o their_o offer_v up_o the_o proper_a propitiatory_a sacrifice_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n i_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o people_n have_v a_o share_n in_o the_o sacrifice_n according_a to_o the_o sense_n 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by_o all_o christian_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n to_o be_v prove_v the_o end_n book_n print_v for_o and_o sell_v by_o henry_n mortlock_n at_o the_o phoenix_n in_o st._n paul_n churchyard_n and_o at_o the_o white_a hart_n in_o westminster-hall_n a_o rational_a account_n of_o the_o ground_n of_o protestant_a religion_n be_v a_o vindication_n of_o the_o lord-archbishop_n of_o canterbury_n relation_n of_o a_o conference_n etc._n etc._n from_o the_o pretend_a answer_n of_o t._n c._n folio_n sermon_n preach_v upon_o several_a occasion_n with_o a_o discourse_n annex_v concern_v the_o true_a reason_n of_o the_o suffering_n of_o christ_n wherein_o crellius_n answer_n to_o grotius_n be_v consider_v folio_n irenicum_fw-la a_o weapon-salve_n for_o the_o church_n wound_n in_o quarto_fw-la origines_fw-la sacrae_fw-la or_o a_o rational_a account_n of_o the_o ground_n of_o christian_a faith_n as_o to_o the_o truth_n and_o divine_a authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o matter_n therein_o contain_v 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particular_a enquiry_n into_o the_o miracle_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n octavo_n a_o answer_n to_o mr._n cressey_n epistle_n apologetical_a to_o a_o person_n of_o honour_n touch_v his_o vindication_n of_o dr._n stillingfleet_n octavo_n a_o defence_n of_o the_o discourse_n concern_v the_o idolatry_n practise_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o answer_n to_o a_o book_n entitle_v catholic_n no_o idolater_n all_o write_v by_o edward_n stillingfleet_n d._n d._n dean_n of_o st._n paul_n and_o chaplain_n in_o ordinary_a to_o his_o majesty_n the_o rule_n of_o faith_n or_o a_o answer_n to_o the_o treatise_n of_o mr._n i._n s._n entitle_v sure_o foot_v etc._n etc._n by_o john_n tillotson_n d._n d._n preacher_n to_o the_o honourable_a society_n of_o lincolns-inn_n to_o which_o be_v adjoin_v a_o reply_n to_o mr._n i._n s._n his_o three_o appendix_n etc._n etc._n by_o edw._n stillingfleet_n d._n d._n dean_n of_o st._n paul_n and_o chaplain_n in_o ordinary_a to_o his_o majesty_n the_o 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2._o be_v 2._o conink_v the_o sacr_n qu._n 75._o art_n 3._o maerat_fw-la de_fw-fr sacr_n disp_n 24._o sect_n 1._o lugo_n de_fw-fr sacram._n disp_n 5._o §._o 1._o suarez_n in_o 3._o p._n disp_n 48._o art_n 1_o §._o 4._o gamach_n iâ—_n 3._o p._n qu._n 76._o c._n 4._o ysambert_n qu._n 75._o disp_n 3._o art_n 8._o vasq._n in_o 3._o p._n disp_n 109._o c._n 4._o art_n 6._o p._n 28._o dial._n p._n 25_o 27._o cypr._n angl._n p._n 48.1_o ed._n p._n 66._o dial._n p._n 30._o to_o 33._o law_n of_o the_o ch._n ch._n 4._o p._n 30._o dial._n p._n 42._o etc._n etc._n cypr._n angl._n p._n 62._o cypr._n angl._n p._n 189._o dial._n p._n 46_o 47_o etc._n etc._n dial._n p._n â—7_n dial._n p._n 49._o prodr_n p._n 76._o b._n andrews_n resp._n ad_fw-la apolog._n bell._n p._n 37._o compare_v with_o burial_n deâ—ens_fw-la respon_n ad_fw-la apolog._n c._n 6._o q._n 21._o b._n sanders_n preface_n to_o his_o serm._n §._n 15._o de_fw-fr obligat_fw-la cons_n prael_n 4._o §._o 33._o dial._n p._n 51_o etc._n etc._n p._n 63._o dial._n p._n 52._o p._n 160._o p._n 162._o dial._n p._n 59_o 60_o 61._o dial._n p._n 53_o 54._o p._n 56._o defence_n p._n 581._o joh._n rosin_n vit_fw-mi â—â—ed_a sapient_a dial._n p._n 141_o etc._n etc._n dial._n p._n 132._o dial._n p._n 133_o 134._o pontificale_fw-la rom._n de_fw-fr ordinat_fw-la presbyt_fw-la council_n trident._n sess._n 23._o c._n 4._o dial._n p._n 143._o dial._n p._n 151_o etc._n etc._n p._n 155._o p._n 157._o scot._n in_o sâ—nt_n l._n 4._o do_v 4._o q._n 9_o biel._n in_o sâ—nt_n q._n 2._o cajet_fw-fr in_o 3._o p._n q._n 63._o art_n 1._o morin_n de_fw-fr ordin_n part_n 3._o exercit._fw-la 3._o c._n 1._o â—_o 4._o alex._n al._n 4._o p._n q._n 8._o memb_v 5._o art_n 1._o §._o 6._o ad_fw-la 2._o scot._n in_o 4._o do_v 25._o q._n 1._o resp_n ad_fw-la 3_o morin_n ib._n exerc_n 5._o c._n 9_o n._n 12_o 13._o grat._n 1._o q._n 1._o post_n can_v 97._o gul._n paâ—is_n de_fw-fr sacr._n ord._n c._n 7._o morin_n de_fw-fr ord._n sacr._n p._n
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t._n g._n say_v that_o excommunication_n by_o the_o apostle_n sentence_n do_v it_o gal._n 1.8_o p._n d._n this_o be_v indeed_o a_o piece_n of_o new_a doctrine_n and_o a_o fruit_n of_o t._n g.'s_n mother-wit_n and_o which_o i_o dare_v say_v he_o receive_v neither_o from_o schoolman_n nor_o father_n for_o it_o involve_v such_o mischievous_a consequence_n in_o it_o as_o real_o overthrow_v all_o authority_n in_o the_o church_n for_o by_o this_o supposition_n in_o case_n any_o bishop_n fall_v into_o heresy_n or_o idolatry_n he_o be_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la excommunicate_v by_o st._n paul_n be_v sentence_n and_o consequent_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o exercise_v the_o power_n of_o order_n and_o so_o all_o who_o derive_v their_o power_n from_o he_o have_v no_o lawful_a authority_n or_o jurisdiction_n i_o do_v wonder_n in_o all_o this_o time_n t._n g._n do_v no_o better_o reflect_v upon_o this_o assertion_n and_o the_o consequence_n of_o it_o and_o rather_o to_o thank_v dr._n st._n that_o he_o take_v no_o more_o notice_n of_o it_o than_o upbraid_v he_o with_o intolerable_a error_n and_o mistake_n i_o will_v put_v a_o plain_a case_n to_o you_o to_o show_v you_o the_o ill_a consequence_n of_o this_o assertion_n to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n itself_o dr._n st._n have_v prove_v by_o undeniable_a evidence_n that_o the_o arian_n be_v look_v on_o and_o condemn_v as_o idolater_n by_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o t._n g._n do_v not_o deny_v it_o and_o what_o now_o if_o we_o find_v a_o arian_n among_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n and_o from_o who_o the_o succession_n be_v derive_v he_o must_v stand_v excommunicate_v by_o virtue_n of_o the_o apostle_n sentence_n and_o therefore_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o give_v order_n and_o so_o all_o the_o authority_n in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v lose_v the_o case_n i_o mean_v be_v that_o of_o liberius_n who_o show_v himself_o as_o much_o a_o arian_n as_o any_o of_o the_o arian_n bishop_n do_v for_o he_o subscribe_v their_o 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