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A26644 A reply to two discourses lately printed at Oxford concerning the adoration of our blessed Savior in the Holy Eucharist Aldrich, Henry, 1647-1710. 1687 (1687) Wing A899; ESTC R8295 52,095 76

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who_o he_o censure_v so_o free_o in_o the_o remain_a part_n of_o this_o paragraph_n 33._o ibid._n p._n 33._o we_o shall_v still_o think_v that_o mons_fw-la daillé_n have_v reason_n and_o make_v a_o true_a resolution_n of_o popery_n into_o passion_n and_o interest_n that_o bishop_n taylor_n have_v prove_v as_o well_o as_o say_v that_o the_o papist_n pretence_n to_o the_o father_n be_v but_o few_o and_o trifle_v that_o what_o the_o defender_n quote_v out_o of_o liberty_n of_o prophesy_v be_v a_o very_a good_a argument_n against_o the_o literal_a sense_n and_o that_o the_o bishop_n while_o he_o plead_v for_o the_o papist_n do_v prudent_o to_o omit_v catholic_a tradition_n which_o he_o know_v be_v not_o on_o their_o side_n we_o shall_v still_o profess_v with_o dr._n stillingfleet_n that_o the_o gross_a idolatry_n in_o the_o world_n have_v as_o fair_a a_o plea_n as_o the_o popish_a and_o conclude_v that_o this_o trifler_n find_v fault_n with_o he_o have_v not_o ex_fw-la but_o inexcuseable_o mistake_v the_o doctor_n be_v argument_n as_o will_v appear_v by_o compare_v his_o word_n with_o what_o the_o dr._n say_v rom_n idolatry_n cap._n 2._o §_o 7._o pag._n 132.133_o last_o we_o agree_v that_o if_o transubstantiation_n be_v warrant_v by_o catholic_a tradition_n adoration_n be_v sufficient_o ground_v and_o can_v but_o smile_v as_o crassus_n do_v upon_o a_o like_a occasion_n to_o see_v how_o gingerly_o the_o defender_n nibble_v at_o this_o concession_n he_o seem_v to_o say_v that_o tradition_n be_v for_o transubstantiation_n ibid._n ibid._n yet_o he_o wave_v that_o and_o plead_v only_o for_o a_o corporal_a presence_n which_o for_o any_o thing_n he_o say_v here_o may_v be_v take_v in_o a_o lutheran_n sense_n though_o to_o talk_v with_o he_o in_o his_o own_o language_n if_o trans_fw-la be_v true_a consubstantiation_n must_v needs_o be_v false_a and_o what_o be_v all_o this_o to_o his_o purpose_n who_o pretend_v to_o abstract_n from_o both_o and_o ground_n his_o adoration_n precise_o upon_o a_o real_a presence_n and_o now_o it_o be_v my_o turn_n to_o address_v to_o the_o indifferent_a reader_n and_o if_o he_o have_v either_o read_v mr._n thorndike'_v epilogue_n or_o but_o careful_o consider_v this_o author_n quotation_n out_o of_o it_o to_o ask_v his_o opinion_n about_o these_o two_o or_o three_o question_n 1._o whether_o this_o author_n have_v in_o all_o this_o whole_a pamphlet_n express_o own_a himself_o a_o roman-catholic_a or_o rather_o skulk_v under_o the_o general_a name_n of_o catholic_a take_v in_o the_o same_o latitude_n mr._n thorndike_n take_v it_o in_o his_o epilogue_n 2_o whether_o all_o his_o shuffle_n be_v not_o only_o to_o advance_v mr_n thorndike'_v new_a and_o singular_a notion_n of_o a_o presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o or_o with_o or_o under_o the_o element_n §_o 28._o p._n 32._o distinct_a from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n real_a and_o the_o papist_n and_o lutheran_n corporal_a presence_n in_o short_a not_o a_o virtual_a nor_o spiritual_a but_o a_o corporal_a presence_n effect_v neither_o by_o con_v nor_o transubstantiation_n but_o after_o some_o other_o unknown_a manner_n distinct_a from_o both_o §_o 17._o p._n 21._o 3_o whether_o a_o new_a and_o upstart_a doctrine_n which_o be_v probable_o never_o think_v of_o before_o mr_n thorndike'_v time_n aught_o to_o pass_v for_o a_o doctrine_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n 4_o whether_o the_o man_n that_o play_v these_o trick_n be_v a_o honest_a papist_n and_o whether_o the_o humble_a christian_n that_o swallow_v they_o must_v not_o have_v a_o very_a humble_a understanding_n chap._n xi_o a_o reply_n to_o the_o five_o last_o section_n of_o the_o second_o discourse_n 33._o disc_n 2._o pag._n 33._o our_o author_n §_o 30._o impute_v it_o to_o the_o strength_n of_o his_o ground_n not_o to_o excess_n of_o charity_n or_o the_o singular_a fancy_n of_o some_o few_o learned_a man_n that_o of_o late_a the_o protestant_n do_v either_o not_o at_o all_o or_o but_o very_o faint_o charge_v the_o papist_n with_o idolatry_n this_o confident_a assertion_n he_o very_o well_o know_v be_v false_a as_o the_o reader_n will_v find_v it_o by_o &_o by_o &_o if_o it_o be_v true_a it_o will_v not_o serve_v he_o to_o shelter_v his_o peculiar_a notion_n under_o the_o patronage_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n wherefore_o i_o must_v return_v he_o a_o quotation_n out_o of_o paragraph_n of_o dr._n stillingfleet_n preface_n to_o roman_a idolatry_n last_o paragraph_n the_o same_o preface_n which_o himself_o quote_v viz._n that_o our_o church_n be_v not_o now_o to_o be_v form_v according_a to_o the_o singular_a fancy_n of_o some_o few_o though_o learned_a man_n much_o less_o to_o be_v model_v by_o the_o copricio_n of_o superstitious_a fanatic_o who_o prefer_v some_o odd_a opinion_n and_o way_n of_o their_o own_o before_o the_o receive_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n they_o live_v in_o such_o as_o these_o we_o rather_o pity_v their_o weakness_n then_o regard_v their_o censure_n and_o be_v sorry_a when_o our_o adversary_n make_v such_o property_n of_o they_o as_o by_o their_o mean_n to_o beget_v in_o some_o a_o disaffection_n to_o our_o church_n but_o to_o come_v to_o those_o protestant_n 34._o disc_n 2._o §._o 30._o p._n 33_o 34._o who_o our_o author_n tell_v we_o neither_o out_o of_o singularity_n nor_o charity_n but_o pure_a conviction_n be_v of_o late_a so_o kind_a to_o popery_n the_o first_o he_o quote_v be_v mr._n thorndike_n in_o his_o epilogue_n wherein_o he_o be_v not_o only_o a_o conciliator_n and_o so_o oblige_v by_o his_o very_a design_n to_o strain_v his_o charity_n but_o his_o term_n of_o reconciliation_n be_v by_o his_o own_o confession_n peculiar_a notion_n of_o his_o own_o which_o he_o seem_v to_o have_v propose_v as_o not_o think_v that_o other_o reconciler_n have_v sufficient_o clear_v the_o papist_n from_o idolatry_n for_o it_o must_v be_v confess_v that_o this_o pious_a and_o learned_a man_n be_v zealous_a to_o his_o last_o hour_n to_o acquit_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n from_o idolatry_n partly_o out_o of_o the_o natural_a sweetness_n of_o his_o temper_n which_o make_v he_o unwilling_a to_o lay_v so_o grievous_a a_o sin_n to_o the_o charge_n of_o any_o church_n but_o chief_o upon_o a_o mistake_a principle_n that_o all_o idolatry_n unchurche_n so_o that_o the_o charge_n of_o it_o will_v in_o his_o opinion_n light_v heavy_a upon_o the_o papist_n and_o at_o the_o rebound_n equal_o hurt_v the_o church_n of_o england_n which_o derive_v her_o succession_n and_o ordination_n from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n this_o mistake_a opinion_n the_o defender_n greedy_o lay_v hold_v on_o and_o ask_v with_o great_a briskness_n what_o church_n or_o sect_n of_o religion_n can_v be_v apostate_n at_o all_o 34._o ibid._n p._n 34._o if_o not_o a_o church_n commit_v and_o command_a idolatry_n i_o must_v desire_v he_o to_o reconcile_v this_o pert_a question_n with_o another_o as_o pert_a in_o the_o book_n of_o the_o benefit_n of_o our_o saviour_n chap._n 9_o §_o 14._o and_o now_o say_v he_o what_o can_v hinder_v god_n goodness_n or_o decay_v the_o church_n since_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o sin_n can_v even_o the_o sin_n of_o idolatry_n as_o be_v prove_v at_o large_a in_o the_o two_o forego_v section_n for_o when_o he_o do_v this_o he_o will_v return_v the_o common_a answer_n to_o that_o objection_n wherein_o he_o now_o side_n with_o mr_n thorndike_n ibid._n ibid._n the_o next_o be_v bishop_n forbes_n in_o his_o considerationes_fw-la modestae_fw-la &_o pacificae_fw-la who_o design_n and_o character_n be_v so_o well_o know_v and_o so_o obvious_a to_o any_o man_n that_o have_v but_o ever_o look_v upon_o his_o book_n that_o i_o think_v the_o reader_n will_v need_v no_o far_o information_n how_o excessive_a his_o charity_n be_v in_o this_o matter_n 35._o ibid._n p._n 35._o three_o archbishop_n bramhall_n conclude_v that_o very_a section_n which_o our_o author_n quote_v with_o these_o word_n though_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v give_v divine_a worship_n to_o a_o creature_n or_o at_o least_o a_o party_n among_o they_o yet_o i_o be_o so_o charitable_a as_o to_o hope_v they_o intend_v it_o to_o the_o creator_n it_o may_v be_v the_o defender_n will_v reply_v now_o that_o he_o do_v not_o say_v excessive_o charitable_a ibid._n ibid._n four_o it_o be_v notorious_a that_o bishop_n taylor_n write_v his_o liberty_n of_o prophesy_v to_o serve_v the_o interest_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n which_o at_o that_o time_n be_v to_o obtain_v a_o general_a toleration_n wherefore_o it_o concern_v he_o in_o that_o book_n to_o be_v more_o than_o a_o conciliator_n and_o represent_v popery_n with_o the_o utmost_a favour_n it_o will_v bear_v yet_o he_o can_v not_o even_o in_o that_o book_n so_o dissemble_v his_o zeal_n against_o popery_n but_o that_o in_o the_o very_a paragraph_n our_o author_n quote_v he_o accuse_v the_o papist_n confidence_n and_o