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A42386 A brief examination of the present Roman Catholick faith contained in Pope Pius his new creed, by the Scriptures, antient fathers and their own modern writers, in answer to a letter desiring satisfaction concerning the visibility of the protestant church and religion in all ages, especially before Luther's time. Gardiner, Samuel, 1619 or 20-1686. 1689 (1689) Wing G244; ESTC R29489 119,057 129

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name_v by_o the_o priest_n but_o not_o invocate_v in_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o mass_n commemorantes_fw-la &_o memoriam_fw-la facientes_fw-la prayer_n be_v direct_v to_o god_n only_o in_o his_o 8_o book_n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la cap._n 17.22_o 27._o ibid._n nos_fw-la martyribus_fw-la non_fw-la templa_fw-la sicut_fw-la diis_fw-la sed_fw-la memorias_fw-la sicut_fw-la hominibus_fw-la mortuis_fw-la fabricamus_fw-la etc._n etc._n aug_n de_fw-fr civit._fw-la dei_fw-la lib._n 22._o c._n 10._o similiter_fw-la lib._n 8._o cap._n ultimo_fw-la charitate_fw-la non_fw-la servitute_fw-la ibid._n he_o affirm_v express_o that_o whatsoever_o religious_a service_n be_v perform_v at_o the_o tomb_n of_o the_o martyr_n as_o prayer_n sacrifice_n thanksgiving_n be_v offer_v not_o to_o they_o but_o to_o god._n so_o contra_fw-la faust_n lib._n 20._o c._n 21._o quicquid_fw-la offertur_fw-la deo_fw-la offertur_fw-la in_o his_o epistle_n to_o maximus_n the_o grammarian_n know_v say_v saint_n austin_n that_o of_o catholic_n true_a catholic_n not_o roman_n no_o dead_a man_n be_v worship_v and_o in_o his_o book_n of_o true_a religion_n c._n 55._o our_o religion_n stand_v not_o in_o worship_v the_o dead_a they_o seek_v not_o such_o honour_n this_o they_o will_v have_v that_o we_o with_o they_o worship_v one_o god_n according_a to_o the_o angel_n admonition_n revel_v 22.9_o martyr_n be_v to_o be_v honour_v as_o origen_n cyril_n epiphanius_n grant_v for_o imitation_n not_o adore_v for_o religion_n or_o as_o he_o express_v it_o cont._n faustum_n l._n 20._o c._n 21._o colimus_fw-la martyr_n etc._n etc._n we_o worship_v or_o honour_n martyr_n with_o a_o worship_n of_o love_n and_o fellowship_n with_o which_o the_o saint_n in_o this_o life_n be_v worship_v be_v any_o religious_a worship_n proper_o so_o call_v to_o be_v give_v to_o saint_n or_o religious_a person_n by_o we_o in_o this_o life_n let_v our_o adversary_n consider_v this_o last_o in_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la cap._n 10.11_o 12._o he_o overthrow_v the_o principal_a ground_n and_o reason_n on_o which_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v build_v for_o first_o he_o judge_v it_o very_o probable_a at_o least_o that_o the_o saint_n or_o martyr_n do_v not_o real_o and_o personal_o appear_v to_o their_o friend_n although_o it_o be_v believe_v by_o many_o mamantem_fw-la compare_v basil_n m._n in_o mamantem_fw-la but_o in_o imagination_n or_o appearance_n only_o second_o he_o prove_v which_o he_o say_v he_o know_v will_v be_v ill_o take_v by_o some_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o depart_a saint_n be_v in_o a_o place_n where_o they_o see_v or_o know_v not_o what_o be_v do_v by_o or_o happen_v to_o their_o near_a relation_n from_o god_n promise_v to_o josiah_n 2_o chron._n 34.18_o that_o he_o shall_v not_o see_v all_o the_o evil_a he_o will_v bring_v on_o his_o people_n as_o also_o from_o those_o word_n of_o esaiah_n 63.16_o isai_n 63.16_o abraham_n be_v ignorant_a of_o we_o and_o israel_n know_v we_o not_o whence_o he_o infer_v si_fw-la tanti_fw-la patriarchae_fw-la etc._n etc._n if_o such_o great_a patriarch_n be_v ignorant_a of_o what_o happen_v to_o the_o people_n who_o spring_v from_o they_o how_o be_v the_o dead_a interest_v or_o concern_v in_o know_v and_o help_v their_o friend_n he_o confirm_v his_o conclusion_n thus_o if_o the_o dead_a be_v interest_v in_o the_o affair_n of_o the_o live_n or_o speak_v to_o we_o in_o dream_n my_o dear_a mother_n will_v no_o night_n he_o absent_v from_o i_o but_o it_o be_v true_a as_o in_o the_o psalm_n my_o father_n and_o my_o mother_n have_v forsake_v i_o etc._n etc._n if_o our_o parent_n have_v forsake_v we_o who_o else_o among_o the_o dead_a know_v what_o we_o do_v or_o suffer_v now_o our_o adversary_n grant_v that_o unless_o the_o saint_n depart_v know_v our_o particular_a state_n and_o want_n it_o be_v vain_a and_o to_o no_o purpose_n to_o pray_v unto_o they_o three_o he_o answer_v a_o objection_n draw_v from_o dives_n his_o 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they_o may_v he_o say_v not_o positive_o that_o they_o do_v five_o he_o make_v a_o difference_n which_o romanist_n take_v little_a notice_n of_o between_o martyr_n and_o other_o saint_n and_o deny_v that_o because_o martyr_n per_fw-la divinam_fw-la potentiam_fw-la miraculous_o or_o by_o special_a dispensation_n be_v sometime_o here_o on_o earth_n in_o their_o temple_n therefore_o we_o be_v to_o think_v the_o same_o of_o all_o dead_a saint_n general_o or_o that_o they_o can_v come_v to_o we_o quando_fw-la volunt_fw-la when_o they_o will_v as_o bellarmine_n determine_v 20._o d._n sanct._n beatit_fw-fr lib._n 1._o c._n 20._o but_o miraculous_a dispensation_n be_v no_o safe_a rule_n for_o ordinary_a supplication_n to_o all_o saint_n promiscuous_o last_o suppose_v it_o true_a that_o the_o live_a be_v help_v some_o way_n or_o other_o by_o martyr_n pray_v unto_o he_o say_v whether_o it_o be_v by_o their_o be_v present_a in_o so_o many_o distant_a place_n at_o the_o same_o time_n where_o 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come_v to_o