to entertain a prejudice against his Testimony on Jelousies that may enter on the score of any apprhensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer that I have given thereto but rather in an unprejudiced Spirit to wait on the Lord to feel and Savour his Testimony even as if the occasion taken had never been This Caution plainly appears to be written on this Charitable foot that would be unjust to measure his present Testimony in publick by his Errours in his Book or from Jealousyes or mistakes of any kind whatsoever And as to these words any apprehensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer I have given thereto it doth not follow that I mistook or Misapprehended his Book for had I so done I would plainly have confest the same The said Paper as I am Informed is termed my Paper of Condemnation this I suppose is taken from these words that I find written therein viz. I do freely confess that inasmuch as I Publisht my Book before I gave Robert Barclay notice of my Objections and Intentions therein I acted in that respect not according to Gospel Order but am Justly worthy of Blame therein as to this I have this to say that though I confess my self Blame worthy not acting so civil as became me to my acquaintance for that I writ not to him that I Intended to Answer his Book yet I in no respect took Blame to my self more than so and to speak the Naked Truth I rather took more Blame to my self than the Case did require being no way inclined to Extinuate that which I thought was not so Civil as became me I dare not say evil for I really thought that he was in Holland and so knew not where to write to him when I intended to Answer some Passages in his Book but yet alwaies did and still do Justific the spreading abroad of my Answer and that I had no Obligations to send him a Copy thereof since all the Copyes I had Leisure to write were little enough to clear my Conscience by endeavouring to undeceive those who either were or might be deceived by his Book And if by that eminent Preacher's aforesaid earnest Pressing to alterations at a time when I gave not my self up to discourse with any there be any such Word as not according to Gospel Order I must say that Word is rather the Word of that other Persons than any thing freely coming from me For I must say again I am not conscious of any Blame unless my not writing a few Lines to Robert Barclay to signify my Intentions may be termed blame worthy for his Indeavours if he should have been so minded to call in his Book would not have Obstructed my writing that Answer I did because his Book was so spread that 't was out of his Power to call them in and inasmuch as this Book could not be so Properly called a Particular Trespass against me as a Reproach to the Truth in General and the Profession thereof I cannot account my spreading an Answer to detect the Errours a breach of Gospel Orders though not sent to him first Besides t is Observable that the aforesaid account given by Charles Marshall and Thirty six Persons more on this occasion signifies nothing of my acknowledgment to have acted contrary to Gospel-Order And as to the Paper given forth by Charles Marshall and Thirty Six other Persons I have this to say that 't is hereby manifest that the Second Days Meeting in London approved Robert Barclay's Book of Government and so consequently are Approvers of the Errour and False Doctrine therein contained That his Book is Erroneous and doth contain False Doctrine I sufficiently manifested and is more largely treated on in my Answer and if it appeared not to the Meeting as they say it did not I am sorry it should be so but I know it did appear to several of the Meeting and yet I must confess I wonder not at such a Testimony since I certainly know some of the Subscribers of the said Paper have been exercised so much to preach False Doctrine for Sound as that I account such improper Judges of what is False Doctrine and what Sound and as to the rest not so accostomed I hope 't is no worse than the Fruit of their dull hearing or want of Memory However my great Satisfaction is that every unprejudiced Person hath Opportunity to inform himself by a serious Perusal of Robert Barclay's Book without either giving Credit to them or me barely because we so affirm And whereas they thus say And hath dispersed his Manuscript in several parts of this Nation without so much as first giving either to the said Robert Barclay or the Second Days Meeting any Account of his Scruples contrary to all Rules of Brotherly-Love Christian-Fellowship Gospel-Order and the Exemplary Practice of the Church of Christ to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation from the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and the General Disservice of Truth If by this they mean that my sending abroad my Manuscript was contrary to the Rules of Brotherly-Love c. I utterly disown that Testimony as Erroneous for I have sufficiently proved both by Word and my Manuscript that Robert Barclay's Book is Erroneous containing false Doctrine and inasmuch as 't was Publickly spread abroad to the Dishonour of God and Truth a Concern for the Truth came upon me to discover that Errour that the Souls of the Simple might not be deceived and Inasmuch as I knew that had he been willing to call in his Book yet it could not take off the Obligation on me for 't was out of his Power to call them all in being so publickly dispersed I thought it not my Duty to give him or the Second-Dayes Meeting Copy thereof first yet as soon as my leisure permitted I sent Copy to London directed to Steven Crisp and another publick Person that so when I came to London as afterwards I did they might if I had comitted any Errour therein have treated me according to the merit thereof but when I came to London no one accused my Answer as erroneous in any Respect and if there was any neglect to peruse it 't was their Fault and not mine since there was Opportunity for the said Subscribers to view it for I manifested that I had it with me at the Meeting held as aforesaid and though I desired the Priviledge to make use of it before the Meeting to help my Memory even as Robert Barclay made use of his yet being then desired to forbear I made no use thereof at the Meeting However if they have this to say it was their Duty to have perused it before they had given a Judgement that my dispersing the said Manuscript c. is to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation of the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and General Disservice of Truth c. but I certainly know all that
Reality Members of the true Church Because this Light in which we had Believed did reveal unto us that those who were but in the Gentile Nature and had come no further than the Outward Court that was given to the Gentiles might have all the Outward Marks and signs of a Member of their Churches and yet know very little of the washing by the Water of Regeneration and Sanctification through the Spirit which every Member of the true Church that 's Built on the Rock Christ comes to be Witness of And therefore when our Opposers who professed not the Truth would reflect upon us on this wise You are a confused People you gather not into Church-fellowships you have no certain Way to know one another to be Members of the Church as we have And why do you not put forth your Creed that so we may know what and how many the Articles of your Faith are and what you stand for and what you stand against The best Answer that ever as we could understand we were capable to give in Truth unto such was this The True Church is in God who is the Author and Finisher of our Faith we have believed in the Sufficiency of his Grace unto which if we are obedient according to the respective measures thereof given of God and Received by us we then have the Witness of God in our Consciences giving Evidence that we are of the True Brotherhood and of the Church of the First Born whose Names are written in Heaven though we do not alleadge any outward Marks and Signes whereby our Bodies being Temples wherein the Holy Ghost doth dwell ought to be accounted within the pale of the true Church And albeit no Outward Society of Men amongst us calling themselves the Church have put forth any certain number of Articles of Faith with this Testimony that every one that professeth himself a Member of the Church of Christ ought so to Believe or else not be accounted of the True Church yet many of our Freinds unto whom the Lord hath given Divine Understanding have written divers Books according as the Spirit of the Lord hath moved upon their Hearts out of which the sound Doctrines we hold and stand for may be collected though others so reputed may thorough Weakness have erred To conclude as to this particular we further thus testifie In the Church of Christ there are Babes Young Men and Fathers there are the Weak and the Strong Suppose a Weak Brothers Faith Differs from his Brethren must he be accounted a Fool or an Hipocrite Nay Nay Charity measures not so We find this very Case happening amongst the Romans and what said Paul in that Case Read Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. and there Paul thus adviseth Let not him that eateth dispise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him which eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Man's Servant To his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith Have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Hence 't is evident the Members of the Church differed in their Faith he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was Received of God he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very eating whilest there was a Doubt though the abstaining from eating was the Fruit of Weakness We now leave it to the Conscience of every Impartial Reader in the Light of Christ Jesus to weigh and consider whether it can be Service to the Truth and agreeable to the meaning of the Spirit at this day for any person under the name of Quaker to give forth this Doctrine 't is folly and hipocrisy to profess our selves Members of the True Church and yet not believe thus as the True Church believes though the giver forth thereof may to this purpose also declare as to give the publisher thereof his due he hath That they never did preach up such a Position as a great Argument to enforce People into their Faith SECT V. What we stand for viz. Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart under which we are instructed not to depend on Man but on the sufficiency of God's Grace A Testimony against Tythes and for Meeting together in time of Persecution the neglect whereof may be the Fruit of Weakness or disobedience The Government of Christ and the Laws thereof are inward Some part of the Fruits brought forth under the said Government are discribed An Objection relating to the Securing any part of a mans Estate on a fore-sight of a Premunire or Fines for meeting answered HAving thus far eased our selves 't is with us in short to inform the Reader what we stand for and what we stand against that so the understanding impartiall Reader who cannot be principled to shut out all Reason and all Wisdom notwithstanding publick Exhortations to the contrary as if Wisdom and Reason of all kinds were condemnable may perceive more clearly what we are and what we are not That then which chiefly we stand for is Truth and Righteousness and that Christ's Government may be exalted in every Heart which might be branched forth into many particular Doctrines and Practices but forasmuch as that hath largely been treated on by many antient honourable Friends to Truth and Righteousness who were Instruments in Gods Hand to gather us into the Belief of his Light and Sufficiency of his Grace though since fallen asleep and that we intend more particularly to treat thereon in the second part of this Treatise we shall not much enlarge thereon in this part yet think it necessary for the sakes of some here to signifie That Truth and Righteousness for which we stand under the Government of Christ hath Instructed us not to depend on Man for teaching but on the Sufficiency of Gods Grace nor yet to put into the mouths of false Prophets or Hireling Shepherds and on this foot we have had a Testimony against paying of Tythes as being that Antichristian-Yoak which in the dark Night of Apostacy hath been spread over Nations and as we came to believe in the Light of Christ Jesus and to depend upon the Sufficiency of his Grace and to know the benefit of our assembling our selves together to wait upon the Lord for the arising of his pure immortal Life to the refreshing and consolating our immortal Souls we have been made willing Praises be to our God to continue the assembling of our Selves together waiting upon the Lord in the day of Persecution and Hour of Tryal though Sufferings might therefore attend believing that whatsoever society of People had been in the Life of Christianity and yet should for Fear of Man or the Lawes of Men forsake the assembling of themselves together as the manner of some hath been in dayes past when the will of the Lord
Instrumental to gather though in R. B's Sense as is before manifested such are the fittest to rule over those whom they have begotten to the Truth but also over the Labours of others and then stile themselves the Church of Christ though not guided by the unerring Spirit so to do and then also pretend that they have Power in Cases that are matters of Conscience to give positive Sentences oblieging Believers to Obey Receive and Own the same and that 't is Disobedience to God not to submit to the Positive Sentences and Decisive Judgments of any Assembly or some or other of them which in any Tolerable Supposition may be termed the Church of Christ though we see it not and so by degrees may endeavour to divest Christ of his Government and Prerogative who alone is Lord over the Conscience and by his Spirit in us is become our only Lawgiver and who alone by the influencing Vertue of his own Spirit is able to bring unto that Love and Unity which through the Life of Righteousness finds exceptance with the Lord of Life William Rogers Having now done with the citation of what was writ in answer to the aforesaid Book of Government and considering that in the First Section thereof the Author as is already cited and Observed writ of a sort of Persons that would needs be Innovators and given to Change and introducing new Doctrines and Practices not only differing but contrary to what were delivered in the beginning and in Page thirteen seems reflectingly to treat on such kind of language as this I must stay till I be convinc'd as if such language was knocked down in the beginning and as may reasonably be taken from the scope of the said Book to reflect on such among the People called Quaker who are not so Zealously affected with the Outward Formes of Government under the Notion of Church-Government pretended to be establish't amongst them as the Author or Approvers of his Book were we think it necessary to cite a Testimony Publish't in Print by Isaac Penington the younger in the year One Thousand six hundred and sixty Being a part of a Discourse Entituled The Authority and Government which Christ excluded out of his Church c. And as it lyes all together word for word and not taken by parts and pieces here and there Our end in citing this Testimony is that the impartial Reader may consider whether the said Testimony hath any Coherence with that part of the said Book of Government which is Objected against by us or doth contradict any subject matter that we have treated upon The Testimony of the said Isaac Penington the Younger now followeth THe Apostles and Ministers of Christ came from Christ with a Message of Life and Salvation with a Testimony concerning the Good Will of God and his Love to Mankind pointing out the Way from Death to Life from Bondage to Liberty from Wrath and Destruction to Peace and Salvation What they have seen what they have felt what they have tasted what they have handled what they have found redeem and deliver them that they declare abroad to others as they are moved as they are sent as they are guided and assisted Now that which they preach to is Mens Consciences in the Sight of God They open the Truth which they know they give their Testimony in the Moving Leading and Power of the Spirit and they leave it to the same Spirit to demonstrate it to Mens Consciences as it pleaseth They are nothing they can do nothing they cannot convert any Man to God but the Power that speaketh by them the same Power worketh in other Mens Consciences at its Pleasure And here is the beginning of the Government of Christ in the Heart when his Truth carries Conviction with it to the Conscience and the Conscience is drawn to yield it self up to him then he lays his Yoak upon it and takes upon him the guiding of it he cherisheth it he cleanseth it he comforteth it he ordereth it at his Pleasure and he alone preserveth it pure chast gentle Meek and pliable to the Impressions of his Spirit and as the Conscience is kept single and tender to Christ so his Government encreases therein but as it becomes hard or subject to Mens Wills so another Spirit gets Dominion over it Therefore the great work of the Minister of Christ is to keep the Conscience open to Christ and to preserve Men from receiving any Truths of Christ as from them further than the Spirit opens or to imitate any of their Practices further than the Spirit leads guides and perswades them For Persons are exceeding prone to receive things as Truths from those whom they have an high Opinion of and to Imitate their Practices and so hurt their own growth and endanger their Souls For if I receive a Truth before the Lord by his Spirit make it manifest to me I lose my Guide and follow but the Counsel of the Flesh which is exceeding greedy of receiving Truths and running into Religious Practices without the Spirit Therefore the main thing in Religion is to keep the Conscience pure to the Lord to know the Guide to follow the Guide to receive from him that Light whereby I am to walk and not to take things for Truths because others see them to be Truths but wait till the Spirit make them manifest to me nor to run into Worships Duties Performances or Practices because others are led thither but to wait till the Spirit leads me thither He that makes haste to be rich even in Religion running into Knowledge and into Worships and Performances before he feel a true and clear Guidance shall not be Innocent nor the Lord will not hold him guiltless when he comes to visit for Spiritual Adultery and Idolatry The Apostles were exceeding tender in this point for though they certainly and infallibly knew what was to be believed yet they were not Lords over Mens Faith but waited till he who is Lord of the Faith would open the way into Mens Consciences They did not take upon them to be able to turn the Key to let in Truth and Conviction into Mens Spirits as men in these Days have been too apt to undertake but directed them to him who had the Key there to wait for the Conviction and Illumination of their Minds and so to receive in as they found him give forth to them Let every man saith the Apostle be fully perswaded in his own Mind take heed of receiving things too soon take heed of running into Practices too soon doing what ye see others do but wait for your own particular Guidance and a Full Perswasion from God what is his Will concerning you Tho I know this to be a Truth yet do not ye receive it till God make it manifest to you receive Truth from his Hand stay till He gives it You. Indeed the main Matter in Religion is to keep out the wrong part the forward part the bastardly
Objections of the said William Rogers lay not so much against the Matter and Substance of the said Robert Barclays Book as against his way of Expressing some Passages therein and that upon Robert Barclays Defence and Explanation the said William Rogers did Declare that he was Satisfied with Robert Barclay as to his Principles but that he thought some Passages in his Book might have been better worded Confessing that he did not Brotherly in Publishing his Book before he had communicated his Exception to the said Robert Barclay and the Brethren of the Second Days Morning-Meeting in London it is therefore the Inward sense Advice and Judgment of the Meeting that the said William Rogers forthwith do Deliver up into the hands of James Claypoole the Copy of his said Book which he hath here with him and as speedily as may he Recal all such other Copies of his said Book as he knows to be Dispersed in the Nation or elsewhere and that he also ought speedily to Write a Letter to Friends in all those Places where he doth or shall know the said Book to be Dispersed and therein to clear both the said Robert Barclay and the Friends of the Second Days Meeting in London from all such Aspersions as by means of his said Book may be cast upon him or them And though it doth not appear to this Meeting by any thing that the said William Rogers hath Objected or Offered that there is any Errour or Unsoundness of Doctrine in the said Robert Barclay's Book yet forasmuch as there are some Terms or Expressions therein which some conceive might be made yet more plain easie and familiar it is the Desire of this Meeting that the said Robert Barclay as he feels in himself the Openings of Life thereunto will in Christian condescension to the Capacities of the Weak write an Explanatory Postscript to the said Book for the Sake of all such as may be supposed to have misapprehended any Expression therein Charles Marshal and thirty six more William Rogers his Observations on a Letter given forth and pretended to be his together with his Answer to a Paper given forth by Charles Marshal and thirty six Persons more on the hearing of a Debate between W. R. and R. B. KNowing that of late there hath been spread abroad amongst Friends a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and 36 Persons more together with another to which my Name is only inserted both relating to Robert Barclay and my self and that on Occasion of a Free Meeting had in the City of London wherein some Particulars contained in Robert Barclay's Book of Government to part whereof I writ an Answer were discoursed between Robert Barclay and other Persons on the one part and my self on the other part and that many false and wrong Constructions are made thereof whereby I perceive the Simple may be ensnared I am now on the behalf of Truth concerned thus to Inform the Reader That Robert Barclay and my self did agree That twelve Persons nominated between us should have a hearing of the Matter with this Exception made by Robert Barclay That he would not so limit as not to have Liberty to add two or three others giving this reason that he expected some Friends to the City c. I told him to this purpose 't was probable I would not deny the addition of two or three Friends if he should request it of me accordingly he did request it of me and I granted it but notwithstanding many others came at the appointed time who were not chosen by us nor yet was there any Assent of mine or Desire of R. B's as I know of that they should be present whereupon I refused to meet with them that Day After Friends perceived that I would not meet with them not chosen * Note For the Reasons in the Preface annexed to the First-part his Name is omitted an Eminent Preacher who stood by R. B's Book told me in words to this effect that they would not assent to a Meeting limited to Robert Barclay's nor my Choice but as a Church would keep their Authority and not only so but would vindicate every word in Robert Barclay's Book Considering the Station the said Person is in and how much he is esteemed by George Fox and that he seems to be the right hand man for that Government contended for by Robert Barclay I easily perceived my Cause was already Judged and that 't was in vain to expect a Meeting whereof I might have the choise of one half but yet notwithstanding lest they should reflect upon me as a Person afraid to stand to that Cause I was ingaged in and having Faith in God I should be preserved I the next Day freely and of my own accord gave notice to Robert Barclay George Fox and others of my readiness to meet with any Friends and so a free Meeting was had between R. B. and my self in the presence of George Fox Charles Marshal and Divers others When the debate between us was over Robert Barclay proposes to this purpose to have some Satisfaction for the wrong I did him I told him to this effect I wronged him not and that neither my self or any other was capable in this Case to do him so much right as he was capable to do himself by writing a Postscript to his Book this being a reasonable Proposal of mine the Meeting did approve of his writing a Postscript and withall counselled me to call in my Manuscript in Answer which I neither did have or can assent unto but told George Fox and many more publick Friends that if I should in that respect take their Counsel before I saw it my Duty I should manifest my self a notorious Hypocrite The Reader may also take notice that in much haste I drew up a few Lines with intent to have sent it of my own free will to some Friends by way of Epistle and to have given it under my own Hand these two following Considerations were the motives thereto First Charity oblieged me to have a Regard to Robert Barclay's Testimony as a Publick Person since he hath publickly declared himself otherwise principled than I say his Book doth plainly teach Secondly Since there hath been some Debate between us I thought it necessary to insert some of those things whereof we debated that so those who had heard the Fame of his Book and my Answer might take Occasion from thence to examine whether Robert Barclay's Sense and Explications by word of mouth were agreeable to his Book or no and also to insert so much therein as to manifest that Robert Barclayes Cause was not right which to every discerning Eye cannot but appear from the said Paper though such who espouse Robert Barclay's Cause may by their smooth Glosses deceive the Simple thereby And when I had written what was in my mind the aforesaid eminent Preacher being alone with me urges Divers Alterations and Additions and after I was on Horse-back departing the City
Meeting distinct from Men on the account of worship to God or performing Acts of Government relating to Church Discipline Several other passages are contained in the said book which we take to be in order to prove either womens speaking in the Church when solemnly met together to wait upon the Lord to worship him in the Spirit or VVomens distinct meeting on account either of Worship or exercise of Discipline in the Church of God as in divers places of the said book may appear but yet we are dissatisfied that they are pertinent to that purpose We find by a Paper given forth by G. F. that he thus writes Friends to you all this is the VVord of the Lord take heed of judging one another and judge not one another I command you in the Presence of the Lord neither lay open one anothers weakness behind one anothers backs for thou that dost so art one of Ham 's Family which is under the curse and that there be no backbiting behind one anothers backs but love and so the same that doth condemn behind the back is for Condemnation with the Light This brings to our remembrance what Paul writ unto the Romans chap. 2. ver 1. therefore thou art inexcusable Oh man whosoever thou art that judgest another for wherein thou judgest another thou condemnest thy self for thou that judgest doest the same thing but we are sure that the Judgment of God is according to Truth against them that commit such things and thinkest thou this oh man that judgest them which do such things and dost the same that thou shalt escape the Judgment of God From hence we observe 1st That unless G. F. pleads that he is more than a man and on that foot claims a Priviledge that he may give Instructions to others as aforesaid and yet be Justified in acting contrary thereto himself and when he hath so pleaded prove such a Priviledge to be according to Truth we are wholly dissatisfied that he can escape the Judgment of God 2dly We are not satisfied that all those whom we take G. F. to own and who have appeared against John Story and John Wilkinson have acted in many things relating thereto and wherein we take G. F. also to own them according to the aforesaid Counsel of G. F. and if so may be esteemed as persons worthy to be judged according to the judgment given by G. F. and by the Apostle Paul also and therefore we desire that G. F. and the Friends who have prest this meeting will declare whether or no what G. F. hath written as aforesaid be sound and whether he himself and every one else who hath acted contrary thereto be condemnable and when they have so done we shall be ready to come to a fair and equal Hearing to manifest the Reasons of our Dissatisfactions in this Case But unless the friends who have urged this meeting will so do we shall be ready to conclude that they are not willing that the things occasioning the difference amongst Friends and the continuation and encrease thereof should be brought to light nor yet are willing to come to the touch though they themselves have been ready to reflect on us as declining a meeting and not willing to come to the Touch. The Reader may now observe that such friends as were at Unity with G. F. and others that were at Unity with John Wilkinson and John Story agreed together to meet fairly to debate Matters that might be objected and in order thereto there were Articles of agreement touching orderly proceedings the copy whereof with the omission of one parties Name and his Subscription for the Reasons mention'd in the Preface to the 1st part of the Christian-Quaker now follows Bristol the 1st of the 12th Mo. 77. Propositions agreed between and William Rogers on behalf of themselves and others concerned in order to a Meeting for the ending some differences depending between them and also others in the City of Bristol and elswhere interessed and for satisfaction of any friend or friends in the things they are dissatisfied 1st IT is agreed by and between the persons above mentioned That each may have a Scribe to take all those Passages in the conference which to them severally shall seem meet and that before any one Head be left or a new Matter begun all that each Party have thought fit to have written be first read if in any thing defective amended and finally agreed by both persons to be a true Record Minute or Memorial of the Conference and if any thing be written or exprest short or beside the Meaning of the Speaker that the said Speaker hath Liberty to correct and help the said Expression 2ly That all things so written by both Scribes and so agreed upon to be recorded shall be at the end of every meeting subscribed by both Parties and by at least six credible persons of each side and by as many more as shall please to sign the same as Mitnesses of what is so recorded and the said six respectively to be named before the Meeting begin and they then to declare that they are free to it but if in any thing they are dissatisfied with what there passeth that though they subscribe the Narrative as Witnesses that the same is a true Narrative yet that they have Power and Liberty in case of dislike to declare or write their Protestation against the same 3ly That if any Friend present hath any thing upon him or her to say or offer to the matter in hand that such hath his or her Christian Liberty to speak his or her Mind and that every such thing said by Friends on either side if the Friends that speak or either of the two persons whose names are hereunto subscribed shall desire it be also recorded 4ly That Matters or Subjects to be debated on by each party be first written down and respectively delivered to each other 5ly That the meeting begin and be held at the 9th hour in the morning on the fourth day of this instant being the second day of the week and at the house of Richard Sneed 6ly That this Agreement be written in the head of the Narrative to be made in pursuance of this Agreement William Rogers on behalf of himself and other Friends concerend The above Agreement was also sign'd by another Person on behalf of himself and other Friends concerned On the foot of this Agreement there were three meetings consisting of about twenty hours had in the City of Bristol wherein the aforesaid Dissatisfactions relating to G. F. were delivered in the Meeting 'T is further observable that inasmuch as nothing was agreed upon to be recorded according to the Articles of Agreement and that the Meetings broke up and the dissatisfactions of friends were not read thorough William Ford and my self sent abroad all the said Dissatisfactions that were prepared whereof those already mentioned were but a part with an account of some other Passages concerning Meetings and
Eminently concerned in the Division threatned should be the Anvil to beat upon and interceded that we would forbear making mention of the Names of Persons reflected on To this the Answer was That it seemed unlikely to bring forth a Credible History touching Religious Differences without naming the Authors of Books Papers and Names of Persons reflected on evidencing the Reality of such Principles Doctrines and Practices which occasioned Disunion and Separation amongst some of the aforesaid People However Truth obliged us to have a Tender Regard unto those who came unto us in Brotherly Love and for the Sakes of such our Desires have been that the Lord might permit us to Bear Forbear and Suffer having a secret Hope that the Lord might make such Instruments in his Hand by a Tender and Brotherly Mediation to cause the High and Lofty to bow to Truth and Righteousness that so the Government of Christ might be exalted in every Heart where his Law is written and that none who make mention of his Name might conclude themselves entred into an Heavenly Possession or Inheritance because of a Strict Observance of some Outward written Order prescribed by Man After we had long born it then more particularly became my Concern to prepare another Manuscript and that chiefly out of the Second Part of what was first prepared in relation to divers Persons concerned in the Divisions to discover that one Man George For guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth and that because it was and yet is clearly manifested unto me and as I have understood many others that that ONE PERSON hath been the very Chief Instrument or at least an Abettor of such as have whereby a Biting Devouring Spirit is entred in amongst the Flock and yet great Part of the Contention of one Party with another seems to be but about the Shell and not the Kernel My Meaning thereby is about Outward Forms and Methods relating to Marriages Relief of the Poor c. as if Hells Gates must be opened to receive all such as walk not in that Outward Path which in Relation thereto hath been prescribed by that ONE MAN Moreover 'T is observable that before I undertook to prepare the Manuscript relating to that ONE MAN I writ unto him Seven Letters Dated as followeth viz. the 27th of the 1st Moneth 1677. the 3d. of the 10th Moneth 1677. the 4th of the 11th Moneth 1678. the 11th of the 11th Moneth 1678. one other on the same Day signed by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and My Self one other the 22th of the 2d Moneth 1679. signed by My Self and Three other Friends directed to Him and two Others and one other from My Self only Dated the 6th of the 12th Moneth 1679. manifesting the Ground of my Dissatisfaction with relation to many Things of a Publick Concern amongst Friends as well as Personal Injury which became him to clear or else give Satisfaction And yet to this Day being the 16th Day of the 6th Moneth 1680. I cannot in Truth say That any Answer is come from him to me notwithstanding Messengers were sent unto him on purpose with several of them and Advice given me of the Delivery And though a Paper came once to my Hand in which Mention is made of Two of the said Letters yet I cannot take it to be his Answer but rather as by the Language thereof appears the Answer of another on his behalf and chiefly stuff'd with Queries so that my Concern to expect Satisfaction or Detect him is encreas'd At length when I perceived 't was not probable to obtain what I expected from him by making manifest my Burthen and Exercise either to Him or One or Two whom I supposed he might esteem to be of the Church nor yet from the General Meeting though as I suppose they are esteemed by some though not by all the Representatives of the Church in general I then for the Sakes of many Brethren Travelled in several Parts of the Nation manifesting that according to the Understanding given me of God I had proceeded toward that ONE PERSON G. F. in a Gospel-Method and that if I then should have proceeded to Print against him nothing could be justly laid to my Charge for want of Orderly Proceeding to obtain Satisfaction which hitherto was not given me But yet my Condescension to my Brethren was such as that though the Manuscript relating to him was prepared I very publickly proposed in Writing under my Hand and spread the same abroad directed to Friends in several Counties signifying that if any one of them were free to write unto that ONE PERSON or at least to give this Testimony under their or any of their Hands that since I Charge him to be Guilty of Things reproachful to the Truth 'T is but Just and Reasonable that he should submit to a Hearing thereof before Friends in Truth to the end that if Guilty he may Condemn the same if not he may be Justifyed and I Condemned for Accusing wrongfully I should then forbear Printing against him until such time I should send such a Letter or Testimony unto the Place of his Habitation And if he should be pleased to give Answer thereto on Request to him to be made by the Messenger that should go therewith then my Purpose was as I then declared to Communicate such Answer to Friends that so we might consider further what might be agreeable to Truth to be done on this Occasion One Part of my End in thus doing was To discover whether there be such an Erroneous Principle in any so to stand by a Man charged to be guilty of Things reproachful to the Truth as that he must be exempted though Guilty from the Stroke of that Justice which in the like Cases of Guilt he hath prescribed for others For though the Apostle testifyed That Charity suffereth long beareth and endureth all things yet his Meaning was not that any Member of the Church of Christ of what Degree soever should not be treated withal when over-taken in a Fault else the same Apostle would not have given these Testimonies Gal. 6.5 Every Man shall bear his own Burthen Col. 3.25 He that doth Wrong shall receive for the Wrong which he hath done and there is no Respect of Persons Besides 't is observable from the Scriptures of Truth Rev. 2.2 that 'T was Praise-worthy not to bear Lyars though they might say they were Apostles I now come to inform the Reader that the ensuing Treatise is for the most part Collected out of the Manuscript first made mention of But yet with the Omission of some Marginal Memorials directing the Reader to the several Sections of the Second Part of the said Manuscript that so from Matter of Fact therein contained the Truth of Reflections made and the Reasonableness of Objections raised and that from the Books Writings or Practices of some particular Person or Persons reputed of the People called Quakers might be proved And therefore since it is not thought fit
understood the most pertinent Arguments might be produced to prove Church-Government or a Government in some Member or Members over the rest Mat. 18.15 16 17. We find Christ thus saying Moreover if thy Brother shall trespass against thee go tell him his Fault if he will not hear thee take with thee one or two and if he shall neglect to hear them tell it to the Church but if he neglect to hear the Church let him be unto thee as an heathen man Verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall bind in Earth shall be bound in Heaven Comparing this Scripture touching the Trespass of one Brother against another with what Paul Writes 1 Cor. 2.4 Dare any of you having a matter against another go to Law before the unjust do ye not know that the Saints shall Judge the World if then ye have Judgment of things pertaining to this Life set them to Judge who are least esteemed in the Church we reasonably conclude that the words of Christ and of the Apostle only hinted at either Personal Offences or Differences touching Worldly Matters and that therein the Duty of the Church was only to exhort to submit to their Counsel which If they did not they might Justly be esteemed as Heathen Men but this is nothing to the purpose of those who have approved a Plea for such a Church-Government as Claimes a Power of Deciding Matters relating to Conscience and outward things also on the occasion of Differences raised touching Worldly Estate and that others ought to obey such Decisions which in its natural Consequence hath as we take it no Less Tendency than to claim Power over our Properties as well as Consciences We are now sensible that many Friends who have not been acquainted with the secret Cause of all the Differences amongst Friends will be even startled at this and be ready to query Are there any such amongst the People called Quakers We Answer Yes Verily and that those who may be accounted Christians too viz. those who approved in the Second Dayes Meeting at London the before-cited Book of R. B. relating to Government in the Church We shall begin first with the Matter of Conscience the Title of the sixth Section thereof runs thus How far this Government doth extend in matters Spiritual and purely Conscientious and then treating thereon the Author thus saith in which the great Question is How far in such Cases the Church may give Positive Orders or Rules and so proceeds to ask this question viz. Whether the Church of Christ have Power in any Cases that are Matters of Conscience to give a Positive sentence or Decision which may be Obligatory upon Believers and then goes on thus answering viz. I answer affirmatively She hath which being compared with what he writes Page 68. of his said Book on this wise viz. that their De facto giving a Positive Sentence in such Cases will not import Tyranny and Usurpation neither will the pretences of any contradicting them or refusing to submit on the account they see it not excuse them of being guilty of Disobeying God clearly shewes to us his meaning to be That in some Cases the Consciences of Believers ought to be bound by the Positive Sentence of Others without leaving any Liberty for a Believer to refuse to submit on account of not seeing it his Duty to submit This Meaning and Government over the Consciences of Believers we take to be contrary to the Principle of Truth and Liberty we have in Christ Jesus for that no Outward Sentence or Matter whatsoever can obliege the Conscience to be approving this or that Exercise or Practice or to be in the Belief of this or that Judgment Sentence or Decree until such time that the Conscience thorough the inshining of Christ's Light therein comes to be satisfied and thereby to be bound and obleiged and though we find the Author to the Hebrewes Chap. 13. Vers 7. saying on this wise Remember them which have the Rule over you yet he doth not say Such who had the Rule were the Church but discribes them in the next following words to be such who had Spoken unto them the Word of God so that if any Authority be given to any to Rule as Members of Christ's Body it appears from the Scriptures of Truth to be unto such who had Spoken the Word of God unto them over whom they had the Rule and therefore can be no President or Proof that mixt and uncertain Assemblies as to Number and Qualification may call themselvs the Church and under that Notion give forth Orders Rules and Sentences telling the rest of those whom they may account their Fellow-Members 'T is your Duty to Obey though you pretend YOU SEE IT NOT. Besides it doth not appear that those who spoke the Word of God did give forth any Sentence by vertue of their Authority that might become a Bond on the Conscience before Conviction by the Grace of God and Why Because it is by that Grace that the heart comes to be Established according as the Author to the Hebrews writes Vers 9. of the same Chapter For 't is a good thing that the Heart be established with Grace But Perhaps some may quote Paul 2 Thes 3.6 Who thus saith Now we Command you Brethren in the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you with-draw your selves from every Brother that walketh disorderly and not after the Tradition which he received of us To this we say Paul in the following Verse gives the Reaon for the Urging Obedience to his Precept viz. For ye your selves know how ye ought to follow us hence we may conclude that their Hearts were so established in the Grace of God as that the Knowledge of their Duty became a greater Obligation upon them then Paul's Command Verse the 14th of the same Chap. Paul saith If any Man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no Company with him that he may be ashamed This may some say seems very positive to imply that God hath given Authority to some to Rule in the Church Our Answer to this is Paul's words related to such of whom Vers 11 12 13. of the same Chapter he saith We heard that there were some amongst you that walked Inordinately and work not at all but are Busy-Bodyes therefore them that are such we Command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ that they work with quietness and eat their own bread and ye Brethren be not weary in well-doing and then he exhorts Vers 14th If any man obey not our Word by this Epistle note that Man and have no company with him This clearly shewes what the Apostle had relation unto viz. to that necessary and commandable Duty mentioned in Vers the 11th that such who were Busie-Bodies walking inordinately might not in their busie inordinate Spirit eat the Bread of others but work that they might eat their own Bread were this Command of the Apostle obeyed by many of those who run
to and fro having little other Business or Matter than to cry against some Friends under the term of Dark Seperate Spirits though such as are Faithful we should not have so many False Accusers as we have troubling the Countries raising publick Contentions in Meetings for worship amongst us to the open Scandal of Truth and Observation of our common Enemies whereby they rejoyce and cry ha Several instances of this nature are recorded in the Second part of the said first Manuscript mentioned in the Preface ready for the View of Friends as aforesaid And though they give the first onset by Publick Testimonies against particular Persons Ancient and Honourable in the Truth yet a sober Request from any of us desiring to know the Matter that 's Evil whereof such are guilty is with them sufficient ground to lay the Contention at our Doors saying Why cannot you bear all things would have been well if you could have born But alas we are not of those who can so suffer Truth to fall in our Streets and so they go on where they have Credit proseliting simple People against honest Friends by their Lies and Slanders But to return let us consider Whether the last recited Quotation speaks any thing to encourage one Brother to claim Authorty over the Conscience of another or that some Members of the Church of Christ may meet together and give forth Sentences and Decrees in Matters relating to Conscience against others oblieging all to submit thereto Nay verily that Construction cannot stand in Truth and Righteousness though it should come from an Assembly called a General Assembly For albeit the Author to the Hebrews tells them They were come to the General Assembly and Church of the First-Born which are written in Heaven Yet he speaks nothing of their Authority as Judges much less that their Sentences or Judgements should obliege the Consciences of others without relation to a Conviction from the Appearance of the Spirit of Truth or Grace of God in themselves but tells them that God is the Judge of all The next thing we are to manifest is that some there are amongst the People called Quakers who may be accounted Chieftains too that approve of a Plea for Government amongst themselves which in its natural consequence hath as we take it no less tendency than to claim a Power over our Properties as well as Consciences For Proof whereof we say the Second Days Meeting of Ministring Friends in London took upon them the Approbation of the aforesaid Book relating to Government whereby they are Entituled to the Matter therein contained The Reader may peruse the Fifth Section of the aforesaid Book of Government beginning Page 37. the Title of which Section is In what Cases and how far this Government extends and first as to Outwards and Temporals the Author treating thereon Page 39 sayeth thus In the second place this Order reacheth the Taking-up and Composing of Differences as to Outward Things and so proceeding on that Subject the Author comes thus to affirm We do boldly Averre that as a People gathered together by the Lord unto the same Faith and distinguished from all others by our Joynt Testimony and Sufferings that we have Power and Authority to decide and remove these things This we Testifie is repugnant to the Light of Christ Jesus within us and Testimony of the Scriptures of Truth without us for as Christ's Kingdom is not of this World so 't is not likely that his Members should by his Authority claim a Jurisdiction in the Matters relating to this World and if Christ himself when he was desired by a certain man * Luke 12.13 14. to bid his Brother divide the Inheritance with him refused to be a Judge in that Matter relating to Property when desired by one Party saying Who made me a Judge over you how much more unreasonable is it for his Members to assume a Jurisdiction when desired by neither Party we leave it to the Consciences of impartial and understanding Readers to weigh and consider and in the Light of Christ to Judge saying in our Hearts Blessed be the Lord that neither the Second Dayes Meeting nor those who are at Unity with them as Approvers of the said Book have any Jurisdiction over our Properties for if they had and should appear so unjust in their Sentences towards us as some have been Scandalous in their Tongues the Prophesies of our Outwardly Withering in Basket and Store might quickly come to pass but Blessed be God the Lord hath hitherto been a Blessing to us so that at this time in a Sense of his Mercy and of that Charity which obliegeth us to love our Enemies we do heartily desire that the False Prophesies and Plagues against others whom the Lord hath and doth Bless may not be fulfilled on the Heads of such Prophesiers Object But perhaps some may query of us What ought to be done in Cases of Difference between Brother and Brother Answ To this we say The Parties differing ought to choose Honest Men skilled in the matters wherein they differ to end the same and not go to Law and if any shall refuse so to do the Church of Christ have only Power to Admonish them to their Duty and if they refuse to take their wholsome Counsel may then declare such unworthy of their Society but for any Members under the notion of the Church to say We have Power to decide and remove these things without the assent of the Parties differing is an Usurpation and that the assent of Parties was not intended by the Approvers of the said Book of Government it is evident to us for that there is not in any part of the said Book one Tittle to that purpose neither could such Assent be so exprest and yet the Case whereunto unto it related be pertinent to the matter of Power treated on in that Section which was In what Cases and how far this Government extends whenas any Heathen Man might claim the like Power when given by assent of Parties And to us 't is evident that the Purport of Paul's Counsel to the Corinths 1 Cor. 6. at variance was That they who were at Variance should choose some of the least in the Church and not the rest of the Church choose or set apart any for them to decide their Differences For that when he said I speak to your shame is it so that there is not a Wise Man amongst you He could not in Truth intend shame to those in the Church who were not at Variance but in Peace Love and Unity in the Truth each towards other for no question but they were ready to choose Wise Men to judge the matter if they had had Power or the differing Parties would have assented but doubtless the shame intended by the Apostle related to the Parties differing who had Power to choose Persons to decide their Differences and yet would not but go to Law On the whole matter we have this further
So the Light is Judge Besides 't is to be observed that in the said Paper being but halfe a sheet he often speakes against Backbiting and about thirty times makes mention of the Light though in a Paper lately given forth in Vindication of Prescriptions being about a Sheet he speaks almost as much to Iustifie Prescriptions He that runs may read the action of Jasper Batt Charles Marshall and others concerned in giving forth the said Paper from Ellis Hookes his Chamber cannot be Justified without making G. F's aforesaid Counsel voyd We now come to take notice of these Words in the afore recited Answer given forth by Jasper Batt and his three companions viz. We see there was such in those dayes as is now who did dispise Government Presumptions self-willed they are not afraid to speak Evil of Dignities which have forsaken the right Way and gone astray and so Wells without Water and Clouds that are carried without a Tempest c. Jude saith These be they who separate themselves Read Peter and Jude through and let these Scriptures be rightly applyed and see to whom they belong To this we say They would have manifested more plainness and simplicity if they had informed those unto whom they writ How to apply these Scriptures instead of bidding them Read the Scriptures and then rightly apply them For the great Question is what is meant by words Government and Dignities but since they are silent therein it 's rational for us to suppose on the whole matter that they mean the Sixty Six Subscribes whereof they are a part since the paper subscribed by them in the original matter occasioning this discourse and according to its Merit sufficiently despised And therefore we think it needful to inform the Reader That we cannot take such Men as Jasper Batt and his Three Brethren are nor yet Charles Marshall Subscriber also amongst the Sixty-Six to be the Dignities hinted at by Peter and Jude For all these and the rest of the Sixty-Six Subscribers are by their Paper manifest to have run in the very Way of Cain by persecuting the Brethren and have appeared as Raging Waves of the Sea foaming out their own Shame by their hard Speeches which are the very Marks and Fruits of those who despise Government according to the Scriptures which Jasper Batt and his Three Brethren have directed us to peruse Besides We doubt not but many of the said Sixty-Six Subscribers speak Evill of the things they know not having Mens Persons in Admiration because of Advantage which are some other Marks of such as Despised Government and speak Evil of Dignities Those things we leave to the Consideration of the impartial Reader hoping that for the future Jasper Batt will learn more modesty than to account himself a Governour and Dignity and that on that foot he may think to rule over such antient and honourable Labourers in the Gospel of Christ as John Story and John Wilkinson have manifested themselves to be whereof this Nation yields many Living witnesses To conclude Our earnest Desires are that all Friends may continually abide upon their Watch that so for the future none may be ensnared through the subtile Devices of Satan to put their hands to the Unrighteous Testimonies of others against such Antient and Faithful Labourers in the Gospel of Christ as keep their Place and Habitation in the Vnchangeable Truth nor yet slightly to esteem of such lest the Indignation of the Almighty break forth and a Famine of the Word of the Lord come upon them that may so do whilst those who are Unskilful to divide the Word aright ministring Death unto the Hearers are exalted Which though the Lord may permit for a season as an Exercise upon his Heritage yet our Perswasion is That he will have a Regard to those who in Faithfulness sitting under their own Vine wait upon him so that they shall be able to distinguish between the Precious and the Vile and through the Word of God's Patience be made Partakers of the Joy of his Salvation William Rogers on Behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned The THIRD PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the APOSTATE INNOVATOR MANIFESTING That there is but two sorts of Government owned by the Children of Light or Christian-Quaker One is The Outward Government under which we Live unto the Laws whereof we owe either Active or Passive Obedience and ought not by Outward Force to endeavour Deliverance from under such Laws as we have or may term Oppressive The other is the Inward Government of Christ who alone is LORD over the Conscience which is not represented by persons visible by carnal eyes invested with Power from him to execute outward Laws Prescriptions Orders Edicts or Decrees in an outward Form of Government visible as aforesaid And for the better Illustration of our Meaning an Answer to a part of Robert Barclay's Book of Government is Cited To which is added A Testimony given forth in Print in the Year 1660. by Isaac Penington the younger being part of a Discourse Intituled The Authority and Government which Christ excluded out of his Church Also an Epistle written by Robert Barclay as an Explanatory Post-script to his Book of Government together with some Observations adjoyn'd manifesting the Shortness thereof to answer the End expected To which is added a Letter Written as is pretended by W. R. but Published by R. B. together with a Paper termed The Judgment of the Brethren in a Discourse had between R. B. and W. R. with Observations and Answer thereto By WILLIAM ROGERS on behalf of himself and other Friends in Truth concerned Isa 9.6 For unto us a Child is born unto us a Son is given and the Government shall be upon his Shoulders and his Name shall be called Wonderful Counsellour Isa 2.4 And he shall Judge amongst the Nations and shall rebuke many People and they shall beat their Swords into Plow-shares and their Spears into Pruning-hooks Nation shall not lift up Sword against Nation neither shall they learn War any more Printed in the Year 1680. The THIRD PART OF THE Christian-Quaker Distinguished from the Apostate and Innovator c. THere are but two sorts of Government which become every Christian to own The one is Outward the other Inward The Outward Government is represented by Visible Persons invested with Power to execute Outward Laws visible by our carnal Eyes and is suffered by Almighty God to be executed under variety of Forms and diversitie of Laws and for divers ends which we do not now pretend to be reveal'd to us but yet we believe it to be our duty either actively or passively to submit unto the Outward Government under which we live without designing to work our own deliverance from under such Laws which we have or may account oppressive by outward Force or Violence which is as much as is with us to say on this occasion with respect to Outward Government The Inward Government chiefly
part of the Glory of that Administration under which Thousands in these Nations were gathered unto God did consist in this that after they had been wandering from Mountain to Hill from under one form and outward Church-fellowship into another they came to be turned to the sure guide in themselves Christ's Light and warned not to look out neither to be in the Lo here 's and the Lo there 's but to be faithful to their Own Measures for that according to Pauls Testimony God's Grace was given to every one according to the Measure of the Gift of Christ But to return Let us examine how he proves his first Assertion viz. That there never will nor can be wanting in Case of Controversie the Spirit of God to give Judgment through some or other in the Church of God so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so termed His Proof is on this wise For the first saith he To those who believe the Scriptures there will need no other Probation than that of the 28th of Matthew and the 20th And lo I am with you alway unto the End of the World And Vers 18. And the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it How this proves the Matter to me appears not for these Scriptures do neither expresly nor by any natural Consequence say That any Assembly is the Church of Christ which may in any tolerable supposition be so termed nor yet speak any thing of Controversies arising amongst the Members of the Church of Christ Had he brought the first Scripture to prove that Christ would be with such whom he at this day makes use of to Teach all Nations as he did his Disciples at that day whilst they should teach to Observe the things that Christ to whom all Power is given commands not the Commands of Assemblies which may in any tolerable Supposition be termed the Church of Christ but the things that Christ Commands he had exactly hit the Mark But as to the Matter the aforesaid Author seems by his Words to drive at 't is far from being to the purpose And as to the second Scripture had he brought it to prove That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against that Church which is built on the Rock Christ 't would have answered the End But alas 't is far remote from proving that God's Spirit will appear to decide Controversies in every Assembly that in any tolerable supposition can be termed Christs Church And so I cannot but conclude that these and several other Scriptures which he hath quoted as Proof of his Assertions seem rather strain'd to Vindicate what he asserts than that his Assertions are according to it on which hand he saith in his Epistle to the Reader That both Papists and Protestants have greatly gone aside which might have been a Caution to him not to have Erred in the same Path as now he hath done Let us a little further examine his Words Tolerable Supposition When we are not certain of the Truth of any thing and yet are apt to think it is or may be so we commonly say My Supposition is that it is or may be so and though the aforesaid Author adjoyns to the word Supposition Tolerable yet that ascertains nothing it only imports such a Supposition may be sufferable that is may be suffered to be a Supposition not a thing that 's Certain There are Assemblies Obvious to every Eye that knows any thing of Christianity which cannot on any Terms be supposed the Church of Christ There are other Assemblies which have several Marks and Tokens of the Church of Christ so far as several things outward profest and acted may be such and yet notwithstanding not owned by the Lord as the Church of Christ The present Age as well as Ages past yields many Presidents to prove the same for that 't is Obvious there have been many Assemblies under various Forms who profess Faith in Christ Works of Righteousness and divers Truths owned by the true Church of Christ Now whether such things profest and owned may not be ground for a tolerable supposition that such Assemblies are the Church of Christ I leave to the Judgment of the impartial and Judicious reader having this further Testimony to add that the World hath too much been troubled with the Sentences Decrees and Decisive Judgments of too many Assemblies supposed to be the Church of Christ or that on tolerable Supposition have been so termed who have rather increased than ended Controversies as History doth at large manifest And since R. B. undertakes by Reason to evidence the same I shall according to the Line of Right Reason and Truth take upon me further to discover the Fallacy of his so confident Assertion The Qualifications of a Member of Christ's Body is Sanctification through the Spirit Wheresoever any number of Persons so qualified are Assembled in Christs Name there is the Church of Christ though they are of that number who are of the lowest Degree or Rank in the Body Now an Assembly of such Members may be as Insensible and void of Understanding in many Divine Matters and Mysteries relating to the Kingdom of God as the Ear of the natural Body may be Insensible of what the Eye doth see and so may have Cases of Controversies brought before them whereof they are no more competent Judges not being Gifted thereunto by the Spirit than the Eye of the natural Body is capable to distinguish between the Diversities of Voices and Sounds or the Ear of Diversities of Colours and yet may be all Faithful in their Places walking according to their respective Measures of Grace which God hath given them so that none can in Truth say such an Assembly may not properly be called the Church of Christ being built upon him their Rock and having perfect Fellowship each with other in the Life of Righteousness Obj. And whereas some may be ready to Object and say Why dost thou seem to reflect on this Sort of Language We must Believe as the Church Believes * Note This Question is stated in a Printed Book and publish't by one called a Quaker whose name is omitted for the reason mentioned in the Preface to the First Part. Is not the true Church in the true Faith and must we not either Believe thus as the true Church Believes or else do we not manifest both Folly and Hypocrisy to profess ourselves Members thereof Answer To this Objection having in my foregoing Lines used such an Expression I thus say The General Assembly and Church of the First Born are written in Heaven Heb. 12.23 But I do not find that this General Assembly set forth their Creed recorded on Earth by that I thus mean I do not find any certain number of Articles of Faith written in the Scriptures of Truth which every Member of this General Assembly did Believe and which every one who should come to be gathered into the Fellowship of Christs Body
ought to Believe and though there have been so many Diversities of Creeds in the World according to the various Apprehensions of divers Assemblies assuming to themselves the Title of the Church of Christ yet to this day I find not amongst the People of the Lord called Quakers that any certain number of Articles of Faith are given forth from any General Assembly or Particular Congregation under the Notion of the Church of Christ as their Creed and as a Measuring-Line by which those who are either in or departed from the Faith may be known and the reason hereof is evident because 't is against the Fundamental Principle viz. the Light to exalt any other Measuring-Line than that by which we were Baptized into the one Body of Christ viz. the Spirit Having thus promised as a more particular Answer to the Question I thus say I confess the true Church is in the true Faith and every Member thereof is in some measure at least of the same Faith that all the Elect of God are of so that it may in Truth be said every Member of the Church doth in some measure Believe as the rest of the Members do I say in some Measure because as there were diversities of Gifts and Operations so also were there Differences in Measures of Faith and therefore doth the Apostle wisely say to this purpose Let him that Prophesieth Prophesy according to the Proportion of Faith Rom. 12.6 But should any arise to say 't is Folly and Hypocrisy to Professones self a Member of the true Church yet not Believe thus as the true Church Believes without any further Explanation of the words or of what is intended thereby such may subject themselves to censure for by the words True Church in this Sentence and yet not Believe thus as the true Church Believes will be understood the rest of the Members from whom one or more differs in Faith Now there may happen to be a weak Brother whose Faith in some particular Matters may be otherwise than the rest of his Brethren's is this Case happened amongst the Romans to whom Paul thus writ Rom. 14.3 4 22 23. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not and let not him that eateth not Judge him that eateth for God hath received him Who art thou that condemnest another Mans Servant to his own Master he standeth or falleth Hast thou Faith have it to thy self He that doubteth is condemned if he eat because he eateth not of Faith and whatsoever is not of Faith is Sin Here a Diversity of Faith is Evident and that between Brethren and Members of the Church and yet neither appear to be Fools or Hypocrites he that did eat was not to be Judged because he was received of God and he that did not eat was so far from being Judged that the Apostle condemnes the very Eating whilest there was a Doubt though the Abstinence was the Fruit of Weakness These things considered I appeal to Gods Witness in all Consciences whether Truth can be served at this Day by asserting under the name of one called a Quaker such Principles as give occasion of Jealousie that this Doctrine is promoting amongst us We must Believe thus as the Church Believes without removing those Objections which for want of an Explanation may necessarily follow 'T is a true saying That the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against the Church that 's built upon the Rock Christ and that the Elect cannot be deceived but notwithstanding 't is thus said yet we know that particular Members of the Church of Christ have erred Objection Yet some may be ready to object and say * Note This Objection is so lay'd to â—n in the same Book wherein the last answered Query is written Though some particular Members may be liable to err 't is neither reasonable nor just to conclude the whole Body or Church of Christ is liable to err To this I say God forbid that the whole Church of Christ should err yet I say neither the Light within us nor the Scriptures of Truth without us do evidence that any Member one more than another is by any peculiar Election exempted from being liable to err no more than Particular Persons were from all Eternity Elected and others Reprobated and so it appears to me that the Promise was not with respect that some should continue still Faithful and not liable to err though others being liable thereto should err but with respect to every Member of the Church whilest establish'd on the Rock Christ so that not only a part of the Church but every Member thereof whilst built on the Rock Christ shall be so preserved as that the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against any one of them and this seems to me to be evident from the very Connection of the words of the Scripture Mat. 16.18 And upon this Rock I will Build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it that is against the Church built and whilest remaining on the Rock Christ But if any Assembly through Unwatchfulness and Disobedience depart from the Rock Christ whereon they were built then in that State they cannot properly be called the Church built and remaining on the Rock Christ and so having been liable to be overcome the Gates of Hell do prevail and therefore though 't is impossible that any one Member of Christ's Church whilest abiding in the Seed in which the Election stands and to which the Promise is can be deceived yet notwithstanding I affirm that every Member of Christ's Body and if every Member than the whole Church is liable to err if they wait not in and keep not unto that in which their Preservation stands Christ said Watch and Pray that ye enter not into Temptation this was spoken not with respect to some particular Members in the Church of Christ that were lyable to err and as if there were others that were not And therefore its reasonable to conclude that all may thorough Temptation be in danger to err if they watch not but yet my Faith is that a remnant will be preserved so watchful as that being built on the Rock Christ the Gates of Hell shall never prevail against them These things being duely weighed and considering what great Abuse hath been made of Scriptures that speak to this purpose That the Gates of Hell shall not prevaile against the Church of Christ and that what they bind or loose on Earth shall be bound or loos'd in Heaven and that also to maintain an Antichristian Yoak of Bondage under the pretence of Christ's Church saying That it cannot err it appears not much more like one call'd a Quaker if we consult the Writings of some of those antient and Honourable Labourers who were Instruments in the hands of the Lord to turn Thousands unto the Light within us as the unerring Guide to treat on such Scriptures if applyed to outward and settled Assemblies as such as are not
supposed to be the Church of Christ where either the true Doctrines and Principles are wanting or the true Life and Power in some good measure is not felt and known is far from my Thoughts Yea how far I am contrary-minded may be seen at large in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition now published in English Page 194 195 196 200 201 202 c. [g] [g] R. B's Discourse now shews that he holds forth TWO BONDS by which the People of the Lord are centered into one Body But the Apostle's Doctrine was that by one Spirit we are baptized into one Body and so the Bond but one And though R. B. terms my Comparison a Scornful Reflection yet I affirm 't was Christian-like enough so to say if the Reason given in my Answer be but duely considered which was That the main Scope of his Treatise relating to that Matter both from Scripture and Reason tended as it were chiefly if not wholly to evidence that Principles Doctrines and Practices necessarily depending thereon are the Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship though he nameth not what those Principles Doctrines and Practices are For a further Manifestation of his weakness on this Subject I referre unto my Answer Thirdly W. R's Seventh Observation Whereas it was thought strange that I should call Doctrines and Principles the Bond and Terms of our being together I understood it only of an Outward Bond and that I laid the stress upon it no further appears in that I affirm these Principles and Doctrines to be the Product of Truths Power and Virtue upon the Heart which appears by what is Printed upon the Margent and W. R. saying in his Papers that this was but like the Entertainment of Christ in the Manger shews too little of Christian-Sobriety and too much of a Scornful Reflection for which I will rather choose to forgive him than therein to contend with him For how much I value that Inward Bond to wit the Life of Righteousness beyond the Outward and that I esteem the Outward not at all to be valued but as it comes from the Inward may be seen thorow out all I have written in my Apology upon the 10th Proposition W. R's Eighth Observation and elsewhere [h] [h] If this be his meaning yet his Book doth not so declare And my affirming that any denying of any of Truths Principles and Doctrines is a ground of disowning was only in respect that who do so do manifestly thence make it appear they have broken the Inward Bond first from which that Outward did naturally spring and arise W. R 's Ninth Observation [i] [i] Experience tells me that the great Difference among Friends in the Nation is about Outward Orders pretended to be Establish't by G. F. and by the aforesaid Letter which R. B. accounts a clearing of himself 't is signified that R. B. declared his meaning to be not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which being Compared with his now declared Meaning on the same Subject shews again that he doth not by this confirm notwithstanding his pretence so to do what is signified in the aforesaid Letter because here is no mention made of any Outward Orders Establish't and Practized by the People called Quakers and that he pretends his Meaning to be an Establishment on the Spirit only and such as are led by it which is a clear discovery of his Fallaciousness and will so appear to such as may peruse his words whereon the Fifth Observation is made for therein he pretends to give the same Satisfaction as is signified in the same Letter Besides 't is worthy our Observation that from R. B's words some Persons are intended Establishers of the Government upon the Spirit only but yet with this Addition notwithstanding his word only and such as are led by it which to me seems a two-fac'd kind of Expression for if the heart of a man be the place wherein the Laws of Christ are writteu and his Government is to be exalted and that we have no ground to expect any other Government or Governours to be like unto Moses save Christ Jesus by the Manifestation of his Spirit in us why could not he have been contented to have stopt his Pen at the words SPIRIT ONLY but forasmuch as he makes this Addition and such as are led by it I must confess I am in some measure at a stand touching his meaning thereby and have a Godly Jealousie that notwithstanding his pretence to the Spirit and that nothing done by meer Imitation will any thing avail yet when it may serve his turn he may from his own Lines bring forth another Conclusion and inferr a Subjection to others under the Notion of Governours over the rest and that the Dictates of the Spirit in us must give way to the pretended Dictates of the Spirit in others by which means at length it may so happen that the Profession of the very Principles of Truth as held forth amongst us in the Beginning may be Irradicated for if once the Day come wherein the Faith of any is that certain Persons above or distinct from any others are the Men who are led by the Spirit and that the Government of Christ is Establish't on them then in probability it will naturally follow that instead of Embracing this Primitive Exhortation turn in your Minds unto the Light that shines in your own Consciences many will be turning their Minds out unto unto the Dictates of others and were it so that what R. B. aims at should be granted viz. the Establishment of Christs Government on men led by the Spirit this then might be objected that many might pretend thereto who were not led by the Spirit and where the Spirit of Discerning is wanting in such as are to be Governed they may be in a ready and open way to Destruction But on the contrary let this undoubted Truth be held forth viz. Let every one be obedient to his measure of Grace and Light received from God and that the Light and Grace is a Reprover of all Sin then there will be no Stumbling nor By-Path walked in Moreover his Language in another respect seems to me inconsisting with the Truth because the Government treated upon to be Establish't is pretended to be Christ's Government that the Establishers are certain Persons signified by these R. B's words We did Establish it that the Object whereon it is Establish't is the Spirit all which considered I may truly say that 't is a work not fit for poor Mortals to pretend to especially if we consider that 't is already Established by God himself on Christ's Shoulders But if instead of that which occasions this Observation R. B. had signified that those who are led by the Spirit are subjects under Christ's Government I know that such Language would have
reached the Consciences of many I now come to take notice of these R. B's words And yet 't is strange that W. R in his Papers should labour so much against this affirming very positively that nothing ought to be given forth in the Church of Christ but by way of Recommendation and not of Command On this I Observe First the said sentence is made up of a Part of one sentence of mine and with the addition to that sentence of these R. B's own Words and not of Command and all this as by his discourse to me appeares to insinuate a belief that I hold a Principle so large as that the very Murtherers of Christ those that persecuted and burned the protestant Martyes and all Idolotry wickedness and superstition were to be thereby Justified which my Soul abhors and blessed be the Lord he hath given me a better Understanding than to assert any thing from which such horrid conclusions may be drawn and indeed his language seems to favour of that Spirit which opposed the Children of Light in the beginning saying The Jewes acted from the Light in them when they crucified Christ And since R. B. is so disingenious as not to lay down all my words nor yet the occasion which if he had his present discourse hereon would have seemed more impertinent I shall therefore on this subject further add R B. in his book of Government asketh this question Whether the Church of Christ hath Power in any cases that are matters of Conscience to give positive sentence and decision which may be Obligatory upon believers and then proceeds to Answer the said Question thus I Answer affirmatively she hath on this occasion treating amongst other things I say that it doth seem plainly to contradict this Wholsome Testimony of and for the Truth viz. That the sentence and Judgment of any man or men whatsoever relating to matters of Conscience ought not at this day to be given forth but by way of recommendation to the Conscience which to my knowledge hath been the Practice of the People called Quakers and when the Conscience is sensible that Gods Witness therein Answers then the Conscience is or ought to be bound other bonds may make Hipocrites and busie Bodies but not good Christians 'T is now to be Considered how from these my aforesaid words spoken on the aforesaid occasion with respect to a dislikâ— of oâ—â— Believer or Disciple of Christ his imposing upon another Contrary to his Conscience R. B. can draw a conclusion that my my Language in that Sentence hath a Tendency to Justifie the Jews in crucifying Christ and those that persecuted and burned the protestant Martyrs and not only so but Idolatry Wickedness and Superstition c. And whereas after he hath made his aforesaid insinuation he freely agrees to my words if as R. B. saith his meaning be that no man of or from himself only or by Vertue of any office c. Ought to command any thing to be performed in the Church but saith R. B if he will say that no man albeit really moved by the Spirit c. ought to go further than a recommendation it is a most insolent limiting of God Under a false pretence of Liberty These foregoing words of R. B. gives me occasion thus to Answer that since my words would admit of a Construction allowable by himself for Truth his secret Evil Insinuations fall to the Ground and as to the latter part of his Construction thereon I thus say That what God moves to ought to be Obeyed that his power is unlimmitable that all his actions motions and commands are just because they are his But yet though I so grant I do Affirm that there is not the least Ground in the Scripture of Truth nor yet from the Light of Christ to believe that in this our day God hath or by his Spirit will move any member of the Church of Christ to give forth certain Orders and Prescriptions with respect to the rest of the members as that which though relating to their Consciences they ought to Perform and Practice whether they see if their duty or whether tehy are or no free so so do for if the Blind was not to be accepted for a sacrifice under the First Covenant much less can it be acceptable under the Second unless God should so command which we have no Ground to suppose and foarsmuch as this Subject is largly treated on in the 7th Section of the First Part of the Christian Quaker which is given forrh by me on the behalfe of my selfe and others concerned I shall referr the Reader thereto for the further Mani festation of the Truth relating to this this matter And whereas R. B. sayeth that things may be proposed to the Church by way of Command I shall refer the Reader to the seventh Section of the First Part of the Christian-Quaker and also to my Answer to his Book of Government contain'd in this Treatise in both which the Scriptures urged by him relating to the word Command and such like are treated on and the meaning thereof according to the Truth discovered Fourthly If any did suppose that by my asserting the Ancient Apostolick Order was Established among us upon the Right Basis and Foundation I intended that these particular Orders relating to Outward Things that were among the Apostles either were or were to be Established among us they did much mistake me for I never purposed any such thing but only to signifie that by Establishing the Government and Authority in and upon the Spirit only and such as are led by it we did Establish it upon the same Basis and Foundation whereupon that Exercise in the Church in the Days of the Apostles was built for I am far from Believing that the most exact Conformity to the Order and Method of the Church in the Apostles Days or even to what may be now appointed by the same Spirit without the Inward Life and Virtue go along signifies any thing for I know that nothing done by meer Imitation will any thing avail in the Worship and Service of God and therefore that no Act done without Conviction will any ways be profitable to the Doer yet that hindereth not but that such as forbear to do what by the Testimony of God in his Servants is commanded to be performed in the Church are justly to be blamed and be Judge dtherefore in respect that through Disobedience and unwatchfullness they have blinded themselves from the sight and knowledge of their duty for if it should be said no man were to be condemned for not doing that which he yet sees not to be his duty then no man were to be condemned who had by Iniquity and Unwatchfullness brought hardness and blindness upon himself for all the Iniquities be commits afterwards and how would this tend to Establish Rantism the Substance of which is to bring their Consciences to that pass as not to be sensible of any Checks then the
copy of a Letter pretended to be given forth by W. R. Friends IT was upon me for several weeks past if any occasion would in any wise permit to come up to the City of London to be present among Friends from divers parts of the Nation at this time that so I might have Opportunity to confer with Friends who were dissatisfied with me touching what I had written in Answer to Robert Barclays Book of Government And a few dayes before my coming up Robert Barclay being in London writ unto me to come up that we might have a Conference at large touching the same This his Request had the greater Obligation upon me to be present in London at this Time On Conference had with him we agreed that a Free-Meeting might be had with Friends in whose Presence Robert Barclay and my self might in all Coolness and Moderation conferr together that so all Mis-understandings might be removed and the Truth be evidenced to the Consciences of the Brethren then present The Meeting for this End was this day had and a very Christian and fair Debate was had to the Satisfaction of both of us as far as I can understand and the matters chiefly objected by me were fairly and Brother-like and in much Love discoursed and upon the whole Matter I am satisfied that Robert Barclay is not Principled so as I and others have taken his Book to import In particular he doth declare That his Book teacheth not that the Church of Christ hath Jurisdiction over the Outward Concerns of Friends in case of Difference without the Assent of the Differing Parties and that it was far from his Intention For his Intention as he declares was only to manifest that Friends ought to submit their Cases of Difference to the Decision of the Church and in Case of Refractoriness that Such Persons Ought to be Disowned That though Robert Barclay in one Place affirms to this purpose That there never will or can be wanting in case of Controversy the Spirit of God to give Judgement through some or other in the Church of Christ so long as any Assembly can properly or in any tolerable Supposition be so term'd He declares that the words were Sound and further sayeth that thereby he intends no other but such Assemblies as in reality and Truth may be termed the Church of Christ And whereas he sayeth to this purpose That 't is Disobedience to God not to submit to the Sentence of such Assemblies though the Persons refusing to submit pretend they see it not yet he declares that his meaning thereby is not that if they submit before Conviction of Conscience they therein find Acceptance with the Lord but rather to shew that their want of Sight is through Disobedience or unwatchfulness to the Grace of God in themselves which if they did take heed thereunto would shew it their Duty to obey We also had Discourse touching his Assertion that Principles and Doctrines c. believed through the Force of Truth on the Understanding are as it were the Terms and in another Place the Book produced it appeared that he asserted there was a more Inward Bond viz. the Life of Righteousness and that the Book declareth that we are gathered into the Belief of the Principles and Doctrines by the Truth and its Power and Influence upon our Hearts and the very Bond by which we became Centered into one Body and Fellowship c. and on a Debate thereof he acknowledged that his meaning was not they were the Original Bond but rather as Fruits and Branches of that Bond and so in that respect might be as an Outward Bond whereby we are United in an Heavenly Society We had also some Discourse touching his Title Page wherein he asserts that the Ancient Apostolick Order of the Church of Christ is Re-establish't on its right Basis and Foundation touching which he declareth That his meaning is not only with respect to all the Outward Orders and Forms of Discipline in Government amongst us but also with respect to the Power of God which in the Primitive Dayes was and now is the great Order of the Gospel And though Robert Barclay hath given these Explications of his meaning yet the very Explication as he sayeth are to be found in his Book if duely weighed Having given you an account in short of what was discoursed this day amongst Friends this further lies upon me to signifie unto you on the behalf of R. Barclay I am satisfyed that he is not Principled as I and many by some Passages in his Book took him to be and since it is so that many have taken an offence against him for that Cause as may be doubted even so far as to Reject his Testimony and Service for the Truth it lyeth upon me as my Duty even for his and the Truths sake to warn all that they take heed not to entertain Prejudice against his Testimony or Jealousyes that may enter on the score of any apprehensions or mistakes of his Book and that Answer that I have given thereto but rather in an unprejudiced Spirit to wait on the Lord to feel and Savour his Testimony even as if the occasion taken had never been And I do Freely confess that inasmuch as I Publisht my Book before I gave Robert Barclay notice of my Objections and Intentions therein I acted in that Respect not according to Gospel Order but am Justly worthy of blame therein It is with me also to signifie to you that I am abundantly satisfied that Robert Barclays Book of Government was Written at or before the time of its Date for that he Solemnly Affirms it was so William Rogers The Coppy of a Paper given forth by Charles Marshal and Thirty six Persons more Forasmuch as William Rogers of Bristol hath lately written a Manuscript against a Book of Robert Barclays Entituled The Anarchy of the Ranters and approved at the Second days Meeting at London and hath dispersed his Manuscript in Several Parts of this Nation without so much as first giving either to the said Robert Barclay in Particular or the Second Days Meeting in General any account of his Scruples or Dissatisfaction concerning the said Book of Robert Barclay contrary to all Rules of Brotherly Love Christian-Fellowship Gospel-Order and the Exemplary Practice of the Church of Christ to the Defamation of the said Robert Barclay the great Derogation from the Christian Authority of the said Meeting and the general Dis-service to Truth especially being sent unto Persons who at present are Disaffected to the present Unity of the Body of Friends And whereas on the Seventh Day of the Fourth Moneth 77. We whose Names are Under Written were met together in the City of London in the pure Fear and Holy Dread of the Lord God Almihty to hear what the said William Rogers had Objected against the said Book of Robert Barclay it appeared to us upon a Deliberate Serious and Impartial Hearing of the Matter in controversy that the
Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which ye have given forth in your Separation which tend to nothing but disquieting Friends Minds and bring them into Strife Jangling and vain Disputing and corrupt their Minds and draw them from better Things and from the Lord and his Peaceable Truth And you may see if you will not shut your Eyes what your Spirit begetteth into viz. Strife and what Spirit is it that hath led and guided you So if you do not give over your Work and Separation the Lord God will blast your Spirit and Work and you will become hardned and as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman and Cobet and Muggleton Mark your End for the Seed of Life Reigns and will grind to Powder its Opposers This 23 d. of 8 th M on 76. George Fox To the afore-said Letter John Wilkinson returned this ensuing Answer George Fox I Received thy Lines in which thou say'st This is the Word of the Lord to you John Wilkinson and John Story and your Company to call in all your Papers which you have given forth in your Separation c. I judge thou meanest not that that is a Separation that all Friends meet not Outwardly together Truly George we might have expected thou would have told us in Love what the Separation thou speakest of consisted in whether we are separated from the Light within the Doctrine of Truth or have builded again that which we have once destroyed or what we have left undone that God's Truth in our Hearts requires of us and what Papers we have given forth against the Light Within When the Word through thee concerning this Matter enters our Hearts and gives Light to us that the Light of Truth manifests us guilty of a Separation from God's Truth and Giving out Papers against it we shall readily confess it and Repent But till we know it the Word of the Lord that is as a Hammer and thy Prophesies be to them who are in the Separation and in Strife causing Divisions viz. with Articles of Accusations disquieting Friends Minds with a New Form and Way of Proceeding carryed on with a Profession of Church-Authority and great Help which indeed was seldom wanted in a Separation from Truth when the Apostacy entred And truly there is great Cause of Iealousie what will be the End of these Things Thou shouldst have told us what new Things we have brought in as bad as the old Opposers James Naylor and his Company and John Perrot and Pennyman c. before thou hadst told us The Lord God would blast your Spirit and Work And if James Naylor's Opposition consisted in Not Reproving his Company when they bowed to him and cryed Hosanna let it be a Warning to thee and Reprove thy Company when they give thee the Titles and Honour due to the Highest lest they that love Preheminence and Rule out-live thy Time and render thy Weakness to others as thou hast done his when thou art Dead and in thy Grave turned to Dust Therefore be Humble as a Member of the Heavenly Body under Christ the Head who Ruleth in his Church and People whose Right it is And remember the word to Moses with the time and place of his Death who sanctified not God in the sight of Israel his people Oh! well may Friends be called Apostates in their Day and be Curst of Men when they are Dead whose Condemnations are left on Record by others to Posterity in the Churches Books seeing James Naylor by thee is called an Old Opposer who confest his Weakness Repented and Dyed in Truth and Peace with God But George we might have been perswaded that thy Counsel and Advice thou gavest to the Churches in writing is greatly abused and we cannot Judge how thou couldst intend Force or such a way of proceeding with Friends about them That which I see at present tending to Vnity is for thee to Manifest what thou intendedst by them if thou intendest no force with them which thou couldst not do in Truth for that would let thee see Divisions would be the effect of them then manifest the Abuse they have done to thee and thy Counsel to Friends by their proceedings about them that we may know that thou art the same in Principle in Doctrine and Practice as in the beginning when thy Testimony was recommended to the Witness of God in all Consciences that thou mayst clear thy self that thou approvest of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered that the encrease may be of God and we all unto whom Gods Love hath been large may have Vnity in Truth as in the Beginning The 9th Mth. 76. From thy Friend John Wilkinson Unto this Letter George Fox gives this ensuing Answer John Wilkinson I Received thy Letter as I judge Subscribed J. W. wherein thou wouldst seem to shuffle off that which I writ to Thee and John Story and the rest as the Word of the Lord to you and that I should have told you Wherein you were Separated and what Papers you have given forth contrary to the Light and Truth c. Your Paper of your Eighty Subscribers is not from the Light of Christ nor as it was in the Beginning which you sent up and down and if it was not to beget into Strife Why did you send it to Carlisle and up and down to other Places and another Paper lately that you have sent besides all your other Papers And as for my Papers or Writings that I have been moved of the Lord to give forth I know no Friends that do abuse them if thou knowest any thou shouldst have mentioned them And if thow wer 't not Blind who art gone from the Light of Christ and the Spirit by which thou wast first Convinced thou wouldst see that I am the same as I was in the Beginning And as for thy Fear of making Force in Religion there is nothing but what is Pure can come into it But look into your own Paper wherein you say None of your own County nor other Counties must sit amongst your Chosen Men but whom you have given Power unto c. But I say as Christ said unto you He that Believes is Saved and he that Believes not is Condemned already And thy Neighbours and all that have been concerned with you do know what you are Separated from And I say also You are Separated from that Power and Spirit which did first Convince you for if not you would have been in Unity with me as at the first And thou hadst better have taken the Word of the Lord patiently and not resisted it But it seems it has been as a Fire unto Thee and You. For it was sent in Tenderness and Care unto you and for your Good though thou wouldst make thy self ignorant of what Separation you were gone into For you are separated from the Inward Light and Spirit that
us an Answer by the bearer hereof who comes on purpose to bring this and to receive an Answer from thee We are Thy Friends Thomas Gouldney William Ford. William Rogers As before is hinted no Answer is yet come which is ground of Jealousie that G. F. is Author of the said abusive Letter To conclude My Desire now is That every thing herein Treated of may be weighed in the Ballance of the Sanctuary and then I doubt not but that it will appear unto every Understanding Impartial Reader that George For hath been acted by an Erroneous Spirit and been Guilty of many Things reproachful to the Truth for which he ought to Humble himself if peradventure he may be made Partaker of the Mercies of the Lord and then no question but God's peculiar People will have a Sense thereof But until he appear Humbled through That Repentance that 's never to be Repented of his State and Condition is to be lamented of And though 't is not in the Power of any Mortal Man or any Assembly of Men on Earth whatsoever to Excommunicate from amongst the true Members of Christ's Body a Servant of the Living God unto whom through the Obedience of Faith in Christ is given an Earnest of the Great Salvation Yet if any one so outwardly pretending hath acted Erroneously and hath concerned himself Against his Brother at so large a rate as cannot be vindicated unless that Rule which Almighty God as by a Finger from Heaven through his Son Christ Jesus hath laid down viz. By their Fruits ye shall know them be to be esteemed as voyd 't is most just and reasonable to declare That such an one hath cutt him off from being a Member of the Body of Christ by departing from the Rock Christ on which Preservation and Help is laid On this Score I am now concerned in my Conscience thus to declare and conclude That for sometimes past G. F. hath stood in a state of Separation from many of the Lord's People May the God of Heaven give him a true Sight and Sense thereof unto Repentance that so before his Body be turned to Dust from whence it came he may be restored into Fellowship with them again saith my Soul Bristol 1 st Day of the 8 th Moneth 1680. William Rogers THE END AN INDEX Of some of the Chief Matters Treated on A APostacy A Discovery of several things which may be justly termed the Fruits of Apostacy and Innovation and in particular that Iohn Wilkinson and Iohn Story have been Judged and Condemned by Persons that have not heard them speak for themselves as doth appear in an Answer given by Thomas Gouldeny William Forde and William Rogers to a Paper subscribed by Charles Marshall and Sixty-Five more dated at Ellis Hooks his Chamber London the 12 th of the 4 th Month 1677. 2 d. Part p. 72 to 84. Apostolick-Order of the Church of Christ Robert Barclay asserts is Establish't amongst the People called Quakers and by the Scope of his Book of Government his Meaning is with respect to Outward Orders his Sense therein disproved 3 d. Part p. 23 to 33. Authority of the Church in Robert Barclay's Sense 3 d. Part p. 54. The Apostles assumed not Authority to give a Decisive Judgment in a Religious Conscientious Case without being chosen by the Parties differing and then they gave their Judgment according to the Faith both of Jew and Gentile unto whom it did relate 3 d. Part p. 65 66. See Church-Government B BAptisme of Water was the Ministration of Iohn not to continue to the End of the World 2 d. Part p. 45 to 50. The One Baptisme spoken of by Paul was the Baptisme of the Spirit 2 d. Part p. 50. Believers in Robert Barclay's Sense are bound by the positive Sentence and Decision of the Church in Matters of Conscience 3 d. Part p. 54. His Sense and Reasons examined and refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 61. Believers in opposite Practices and yet the Christian-Bond of their Fellowship not broken 3 d. Part p. 56. See Isaac Penington's Testimony touching that Authority which Christ excluded out of his Church 3 d. Part p. 89 to 98. This Sentence viz. We must believe as the Church believes Published by one called a Quaker examined and the Truth cleared from such Constructions as may be erroneously imported from thence 3 d. Part p. 73 74. See 1 st Part p. 23 to 27. C CHarity An Objection grounded thereon in favour of our Opposers Answered shewing Fruits of Weakness Presumption Danger of going beyond ones Gift excluding Reason eyeing Man and Things without instead of our inward Teacher The Reason why the Word of Life becomes to some the Savour of Death 1 st Part p. 17 to 22. Charles Marshall a Subscriber with Thirty-Six more of an Unrighteous Paper on the hearing of a Debate between Robert Barclay and William Rogers 3 d. Part p. 128 129. Observations thereon manifesting their Error and Partiality 3 d. Part p. 137 to 140. Christ by his Spirit a Law-giver like unto Moses 3 d. Part p. 9 10. Church-Government Our Sense of our Opposers Meaning touching Church-Government our Denyal of that Meaning and that no just Pretence be under the Notion of Church-Government to claim a Power over Property and Conscience The Doctrine of Robert Barclay importing Power over Property and Conscience refuted and our Sense touching the Method of deciding Controversies laid down An Objection Answered whereby 't is plain that Acceptable Obedience carryes with it Conviction of Conscience and that Christ encouraged not his Disciples to be Rulers over each other 1 st Part p. 44 to 61. See the 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Divers Sentences cited out of Robert Barclay's Book of Government importing an Approbation of such a Form of Outward Church-Government by some of the People called Quakers over others so termed wherein they undertake to Teach Traditions Exercise an Authority to Ordain Appoint Command and Rule over others whose Duty in Robert Barclay's Sense 't is to submit and that there lyes an Obligation on such as are gathered to Reverence Honour and Obey such as are set over them 3 d. Part p. 44 45. The said Sentences examined and that which is taken to be his Sense on the Scriptures quoted demonstrated to be a Perversion and that the words Order Rule Command Govern Government Traditions c. will not in the Apostles Sense import an Obligation on any Christian Believer to act any thing relating to Faith or Discipline on a Religious Score whereof by the Grace of God or Light in the Conscience he is not perswaded to be his Duty 3 d. Part p. 46 to 52. Christian-Quaker What he standeth for 1 st Part p. 27 to 30. Command Who are deemed by our Opposers to have Power to Command Ordain and Appoint 1 st Part p. 6 7 8. See Church-Government Confidence The Qualifications of such as abound in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 76.
Conformity to other Mens Lines without Faith is contrary to the Apostles Doctrine 3 d. Part p. 53. See Church-Government Conscience Matters purely Conscientious are Cognizable according to the Form of Church Government held forth by Robert Barclay by the Church and their Sentence obligatory on Believers 3 d. Part p. 53 54. His Reasons produced are refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 69. Contents or Matters discours'd of in an Answer to Robert Barclay's Book of Government 3 d. Part p. 19 to 23. Convinced I must stay until Convinced proved to be sound Language though reflected on by Robert Barclay 3 d. Part p. 42 43. Corah 3 d. Part p. 9 11 47. Cross of Christ consists in denying Self and not in acting across to all Societies c. 2 d. Part p. 35 36. Customs of the World In what Sense denyed 2 d. Part p. 34. D. DIfferences touching outward Property how in our Sense they ought to be decided between Brother and Brother 3 d. Part p. 41. Dis-union amongst Friends How it appears that 't is so 1 st Part p. 4 5. Doctrines delivered in the Beginning 3 d. Part p. 49 50. Doctrines reputed by Robert Barclay the Bond by which we became Center'd in one Body 3 d. Part p. 54. His Assertion and Reasons for it Refuted 3 d. Part p. 54 to 59. E EDward Burroughs A suitable Testimony of his at the latter End of the Preface shewing That we ought to know the Spirit of God to be the Ground of all our Actions in our selves A Parable given forth by Edward Burroughs touching the Scattered in Israel Anno 1661. shewing That there were unlearned Dogs not acquainted with the Shepherd's manner of Gathering the Sheep but having something of the Wolfe's Nature would not be governed by their Master and that there were others well acquainted with the Masters manner of Gathering the Sheep and the Fruit of both Which may be termed a proper Distinction through a Parable of the Fierce and Ignorant in the best Sense Zealots of our Times as well as of the Gentle and Prudent 1 st Part p. 78 to 83. Observations thereon p. 83 84 85. F FAith Different Faiths and Perswasions in some Things no Indication of Dis-union in the Spirit 3 d. Part p. 74 75. See Believers Faith taken in a two-fold Sense the one is unto Salvation the other not without a further Growth 2 d. Part p. 63 to 67. G GEorge Fox Here now follows divers Things relating to George Fox contained in the First Part. George Fox reputed a Setter-forth of Forms of Church-Government to be like unto Moses an Establisher of Men and Womens-Meetings in a Separation each from other The said Meetings are called the Church p. 9. A different Sense either touching George Fox the General-Meeting or Womens-Meetings is taken to be the Original Manifestation of Variance amongst Friends p. 61 to 67. An Enquiry made What is the Bait spread before George Fox to concern himself against such as cannot own that his Directions should be urged with Severity which is no less than an Enforcing p. 92. An Answer to that Enquiry wherein some Part of the Occasion and Mischiefs amongst Friends is discovered 1st Part p. 92 to 96. Here now follows divers things relating to George Fox contained in the Fourth Part. The Introduction to the Fourth Part shews the Occasion of writing that Part chiefly relating to George Fox p. 3 to 7. Seven Questions proposed to Iohn Wilkinson and Sixteen to Iohn Story by Order as was affirmed of G. F. together with the Substance of their Answers thereto p. 7. to p. 14. Observations on the said Queries and Answers shew that the Informer to George Fox against John Wilkinson and John Story would have had his End by their Answer Yea which doubtless was to render them guilty of Evil Principles and Practices and yet such an Answer to several of the Questions might be Justifyed And in particular the Answer to the Second to John Wilkinson and the Nineth to John Story unless we ought to practise on a Religious Score Things imposed in the Will of Man and that 't is reprovable to exhort to keep good Order c. p. 14 15 16. An Objection cited in Favour of George Fox and such Brethren to whom Obedience by some is reputed to be due c. together with Answer thereto manifesting that Obedience to the Spirit is due but not to other Mens Lines whil'st not by the Spirit convinced thereof No Ground to believe that Christ intended One of his Disciples as an Head over the Rest after his Departure p. 16 to p. 25. A Slighting George Fox's Orders with respect to Church-Government accounted by some a Slighting of the Cause of God p. 26. See p. 7 to p. 16 and p. 25 to p. 36. and then consider whether 't is not Rational to suppose that the drawing up of Forty-Four Articles against John Wilkinson and John Story and Proceedings relating to them were not by George Fox's Approbation and Permission And that whatever was pretended to be John Wilkinson's and John Story 's Failing's yet that nothing would give Satisfaction but Submission to George Fox Marks to know some Ministring Persons who have been of party with George Fox p. 33 34. A Letter written by George Fox to John Wilkinson signifying that Iohn Wilkinson will be as bad as Muggleton c. if he gives not over his Work and Separation p. 41 42. J. Wilkinson's Answer thereto desiring George Fox to clear himself That he approves of no Force about Religion but the Force and Effect of the Word delivered p. 42 43 44. A Letter returned in Answer by George Fox to John Wilkinson signifying that Iohn Wilkinson is separated from that Power that first Convinced him and that if not he would have been at Unity with him as at first p. 45 46. And that if Iohn Wilkinson had loved the Gospel of Peace he would have come to him p. 51. But yet he tells him That if he loves his Sin he may keep it p. 52 and that He thought to have written to him saying His Letter was not worth Answering and yet hath written Answer p. 59. Observations on George Fox's said Letter to John Wilkinson beginning p. 61. George Fox accuseth John Wilkinson as a Tythe-payer either by himself directly or conniving at others paying for him but proves it not A Testimony under John Wilkinson's Hand Against Tythes is cited 4th Part p. 9. George Fox accuseth John Wilkinson to be an Angry Disquieted Froward Peevish Fretful Malicious High Lofty Spirit and of his making a Jumble but brings forth nothing convincingly to manifest the same p. 63 64 65 66. On this Occasion a Character of George Fox and Iohn Wilkinson is noted from whence there is a Reason to suppose that George Fox would have All Causes of Differences amongst Friends even from North to South come before him to be Judged when it pleaseth him or else the Refusers may incur his Censure of
Part p. 7 8. See also the 3 d. Part p. 7 8. The General-Assembly of the Cburch of the First-Born 3 d. Part p. 74 78. Members of Christ's Body not certainly describable by Outward Marks and Tokens Outward Orders insufficient for their Conservation 3 d. Part p. 57 58. No Member of the Church of Christ one more than another is exempted from being lyable to err pag. 75 76 77 78. N Â O OBedience What kind of Obedience finds Acceptance what not 3 d. Part p. 26 33. See Church-Government Though the Obedience of Christ made many Righteous yet 't is no Proof that any were or can be made Partakers of that Righteousness whil'st Sin reigns in the Mortal Body 2 d. Part p. 67 68. Opposers From an Objection raised Occasion is taken to shew the Difference between Us and our Opposers though our Language relating to Principle and Practice in some things agree 1 st Part p. 30 31. Order of the Gospel is the Power of God and cannot be Establish't by Man 3 d. Part p. 25. Outward Orders The Establishers thereof under the Notion of Christ's Government Invaders of Christ's Prerogative 1 st Part p. 4. Reasons given why they are unsuitable to be accounted a Part of Christ's Government 3 d. prt p. 6 7 8 9 11 23 24. See 1 st Part p 6 7 8. See Church-Government P PErfection Every Gift of God is Perfect No such Perfect State attainable wherein 't is not needful for Man to Watch 2 d. Part p. 14. A Cessation from Sin attainable 2 d. Part p. 14 15 16 19 20. Persecution An Objection touching Securing Outward Estate in Time of Persecution Christ's Words to Peter and Saul's Action of saving Agag being instanced is Answered 1 st Part p. 30 to 36. Plain-Language On what Ground used 2 d. Part p. 34. Power of Decision of Differences by Robert Barclay's Words imports a Jurisdiction in such as he accounts the Church over Property 3. Part p. 35. Observations on the said Sence shewing the Inconsistency thereof with Truth 3 d. Part p. 35 to 41. Power to Bind and Loose is not from Christ's Words so far as from the Scripture we learn pleaded by the Apostles or any Assembly under the Notion of Christ's Church 3 d. Part p. 66 67. Principles Reputed by Robert Barclay the Bond by which we became Centered into One Body meaning Christ's Body the Church 3 d. Part p. 54. His Assertion and Argument refuted p. 54 to 59. The like he saith touching Practices and Doctrines p. 54. Professors of Christianity How they come to disagree touching some Religious Matters whenas whil'st they keep to Scripture-Language they agree in Principles termed Fundamental that are relative to the Matter wherein they differ 2 d. Part p. 69 70. Prophet Raised like unto Moses is Christ Jesus and no other is owned by us like unto Moses under the Second Covenant but Christ Jesus 1 st Part p. 10 11. Q Â R REign of Christ is by his Spirit in the Heart 3 d. Part p. 4. Robert Barclay An Answer to his Book of Government manifesting Erroneous Doctrines held forth by him 3 d. Part p. 15 to 88. The Chief Matters discours'd of in the said Answer p. 19 20 21 22 23. Robert Barclay's Postscript to the said Book by way of Epistle to Friends wherein he affirms That he never found Occasion to Repent or Retract any thing from the Matter and Principles there asserted by him And further also That though the Things chiefly scrupled at are as he saith cleared by Will m. Rogers his own Letter yet that all may be satisfyed by having them from his own Hand he was free to Write his Postscript William Rogers his Observations adjoyned to the said Postscript shew First That Robert Barclay Justifies his Book Secondly That the pretended Letter of William Rogers is by Robert Barclay acknowledged to contain Robert Barclay's Sence and Explication of the Matters scrupled in his Book Thirdly That his Postscript was writ that all might have his Sence of the Matters chiefly scrupled under his own Hand according to the Explications given in William Rogers his pretended Letter Fourthly That notwithstanding all this the Explications in the said Letter are not to be found in his Book nor yet all of them in his Postscript neither doth his Postscript and Book agree nor yet either of Them with Truth in many Things 3 d. Part p. 99 to 124. Rule See Church-Government S SAlvation of Mankind See Kingdom of God and Justification Sathan The Qualifications of such whom Sathan hath made use of to rend and divide the Church of Christ viz. such as have Zeal without Knowledge such as have Knowledge without Zeal and others that have abounded in Confidence without either Knowledge or Zeal 1 st Part p. 69 to 78. Schismes The Ground thereof and some Marks by which 't is known 3 d. Part p. 41 42. Scriptures may be an Instrument through the Spirit whereby Faith in Christ may be attained unto 2 d. Part p. 3 4. And albeit they have been owned by Us and our Antient Friends to be a Rule yet we have not owned them to be the Infallible Rule but instead thereof the Spirit And yet they have been of late streined by Robert Barclay to make them the Rule to rule over our Brethren p. 48 49 50 51. See Church-Government Sentences or Degrees of any Assembly though pretending themselves the Church in Matters relating to Conscience no Bond upon Believers without inward Conviction 3 d. Part p. 58 61 62. See Believers Sin See Perfection Spirit What is meant by this kind of our Opposer's Language viz. Dark Leaven'd Rending Dividing Separate Spirit 1 st Part p. 6. Spiritual Matters Cognizable by the Government held forth by Robert Barclay 3 d. Part p. 53. Swearing under the Gospel-Dispensation not Lawful in any Case 2 d. Part 37 38 39. Submission to any Assembly that in any tollerable Supposition may be termed the Church of Christ is so pleaded for by Robert Barclay as that Want of Sight shall not excuse being Guilty of Disobeying God 3 d. Pare p. 69. That Sence refuted his Perversion of the Scriptures cited discovered 3 d. Part p. 69 to 80. Supper of the Lord the Night before he was Betrayed p. 51. The Doctrine of Christ at that Supper Owned p. 51 52. Scripture reputed to relate to that Practice Explained p. 52 to 61. T TEstimonies In what Case these words Let th'Testimonies of Friends arise have been notoriously abused 1 st Part p. 18 19. Traditions See Church-Government Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil cannot properly be a Comparison to represent Knowledge that is Devilish or the Thing that is Evil 2 d. Part p. 28 29. Tythes no Gospel-Maintenance to a Gospel-Ministry 2 d. Part p. 40 to 44. U VNity Divers Things laid down wherein the Faithful were at Unity 1 st Part p. 2 3 4. In what Sence the Apostle exhorted thereto 1 st Part p. 36 37. Inconveniences attending this Doctrine no Unity but in Conformity 1 st Part p. 72 73. An Universal Establish't Unity with respect to Faith and Discipline relating to Believers in Christ by Outward Instruments is inconsisting with Gospel-Liberty 3 d. Part p. 82 to 86. See Believers The Mark of a Member of Christ's Church in Unity with the Body is an Inward Invisible Mark 3 d. Part p. 83 84. W VVArs not Lawful to be entred into by Us to work our own Deliverance from under Oppressive Laws and Magistrates 2 d. Part p. 30 31 32. Weak Believers may be Received to doubtful Disputations by assigning the Decision of Controversy to the Church since Contention may arise who or where they are 3 d. Part p. 59 60. Wisdom from Above and that which is not from Above is deseribed Wisdom which we have as Creatures is not that Wisdom which by the Apostle is termed Sensual and Devilish but is given us of God 2 d. Part p. 21 to 25. Women having received a Revelation to Utter in the Church may Speak Unruly Disorderly Women may be warned to be Silent even as it is their Duty so to be in the Church 3 d. Part p. 52. Works What sort are Necessary to Salvation and what not Works spoken of by the Apostle James are the same sort of Works spoken of by the Apostle Paul 2 d. Part p. 16 17 18 19. Writings for Publick View By whom Approved or else not to be Printed 3 d. Part p. 29 30 Reasons against the Method of such Approbation and Limitation 3 d. Part p. 29 30 31 32. X Â Y Â Z ZEal without Knowledge Some Parts of the Fruit thereof described 1 st Part pag. 70 71 72 73. Zeal according to Knowledge accepted by God 1 st Part p. 70. A Part of the Qualifications of such as are endued with it 1 st Part p. 77. THE Postscript following the Preface is added to clear the Truth as well as my self from this pretended Argument against my Printing viz. That I came up to London to read a Charge behind George Fox 's Back and That though I pretended a Readiness to Meet him I had no Desire thereto Which gives me Occasion to lay down several Observations and Reasons invalidating the pretended Argument together with a Letter written by Me to James Claypoole and Three other Friends in London to cover a Remonstrance to the Friends of London All on purpose that they might use their Interest to cause George Fox to submit to a Hearing that so if possible some Expedient might have been found to satisfy my Conscience otherwise than by Printing Which I acquainted them of as well as George Fox and that I intended to proceed therein unless so much Notice should be taken of my Call for Justice against the Reproachful Actions and Trespasses of George Fox as that he might be brought to a Hearing before Friends to the end that if Guilty he might give Satisfaction if not he might be Quitted There are also signified in the said Postscript several Things which are clear Evidences that George Fox would not assent to any Meeting for the aforesaid End Which coming to my Knowledge I was then free of all Concern to sollicite him more either by Word or Writing for a Meeting and had no further Bond upon me to forbear proceeding to Print as Expeditious as I could William Rogers
his Mother The 1100 Shekels of Silver that were taken from thee about which thou cursedst and spakest also in mine Ears behold the silver is with me I took it and his mother said Blessed be thou of the Lord my Son and when he had restored the 1100 Shekels of Silver to his Mother his Mother said I had wholly dedicated the Silver unto the Lord from my Hand for my Son to make a Graven-Image and a Molten-Image now therefore I will restore it thee yet he restored the money to his Mother and his Mother took 200 Shekels of Silver and gave them to the Founder who made thereof a Graven-Image and a Molten Image and they were in the house of Micah and the man Micah had an house of God's The Quotation is enough to shew that she was an Idolatrous Woman and though it may be said it is but a question askt yet in answer it may be said that if G. F's real judgment be so that she was not a virtuous woman he hath manifested thereby a scoffing Spirit but to manifest that such an Answer appears but a meer shift the reader may observe that about thirteen lines following he thus saith So these and such women are recorded to Posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The second Quotation Page 43. And the woman of Tekoah see what a Sermon she preacht to King David 2 Sam. 13.14 The Scripture quoted informs us that the woman was a subtile woman whom Joab caused to feign her self as a Mourner and go to King David with a lying story in her mouth which accordingly she did For when King David asked her is not the hand of Joab with thee in all this she answered Joab put all these words in her mouth so that if it were really so that she had been the Occasion of pacifying King David's wrath yet it might more truly be said that she deceived King David by her Lyes than convinced him besides though the story was framed by Joab for the sake of Absalom who slew his Brother Amnon and therefore fled yet it appears that King David was appeased as to his Son Absalom as in 2 Sam. 13.39 before the woman came to him with Lyes in her mouth We now commend it to the Consciences of all to consider how this Lying story can be called a Good and Convincing Sermon and be an evidence of a Virtuous Woman for in a very few lines after it 's said as before These and such women are recorded to posterity for their Wisdom and their Virtue The Third Quotation Page 23. And the Women had their assemblies in the daies of the Iudges and the Kings Now old Ely was not against the Assemblies of the Women who assembled by Troops as you may see in the 1st Sam. 2.21 22. though some men now adayes may be against Womens Meetings or Assemblies in the Gospel Times and against womens speaking and prophecying c. The Scripture quoted tells us thus So Ely was old and heard all that his Sons did unto Israel and how they lay with the Women who assembled at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which only proves that there was an Assembly of Men and women at the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation who committed evil together At the first view this seemed so abominable a Quotation to prove the Assemblies of purified women under the Gospel distinct form purified men to be necessary which is the end wherefore 't was as we take it quoted that we were concerned to inform our selves from the Scriptures to what end women assembled before the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation and we find by a Marginal Note in the Scriptures that it was as the Hebrews write after their Travel when they came to be purified as in Leviticus the 12th and 6th where it 's thus said Now when the dayes of her purifying are fulfilled she shall bring to the Priest a Lamb of one year old for a Burnt-Offering and a young Pigeon or Turtle Dove for a Sin-Offering unto the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation which gives us occasion thus to query How can Women coming in order to their Purification with a Sin-Offering c. to the Door of the Tabernacle of the Congregation when defiled by the Men that there accompanyed them be a Proof for purified Women under the Gospel to assemble together distinct from purified men The Fourth Quotation Page 32. And likewise you may see Rachel and Leah their Counsel to Jacob who answered Jacob and said unto him is there yet any Portion or Inheritance for us in our Father's house are we not counted of him as strangers for he hath sold us and he hath quite devoured also our money for all the riches that God hath taken from our Father that is ours and our Childrens and now therefore whatsoever God hath said unto thee do this was Rachels and Leahs counsel unto Iacob and were not these three a Church then and did he forbid them from speaking in the Church See Genses 31.14 15 16. This we take to be a Quotation to evidence Womens speaking in the Church to be according to truth but yet we cannot own it to be much if any thing at all better Argument for VVomens speaking in the Church of God when the Church is met to worship the Lord in his Spirit than Womens Discourses with their Husbands about their outward estates doth almost every day produce amongst us and were it so that no better Argument could be produced for the justification of Womens speaking in the Church of God in the sense we have understood speaking in the Church we might be ashamed of our Principle and their Practice The Fifth Quotation Page 42. And the Daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the Daughter of Jeptha Iudges 11th So here they had a Yearly Meeting on this Occasion Our observation now is Jeptha made a vow unto the Lord and thus said If thou shalt deliver the Children of Ammon into my Hand then that thing that cometh out of the Doors of my house to meet me when I come home in peace from the Children of Ammon shall be the Lords and I will offer it for a Burnt-Offering And so it happened that his only Child being a Daughter came out to meet him with Timbrels and Dances and when he saw her he rent his Cloaths and said alas my Daughter but yet at the end of two months did unto her according to his Vow having given her two months time to go to the Mountains with other Virgins to bewail her Virginity which afterwards became a custom in Israel to go Yearly to the Mountains to bewail the Daughter of Jeptha This occasions us to query whether such a meeting occasioned on the Untimely Death of a Virgin for Jeptha's Vow was a Rash Vow can be any Evidence of the Matter which is taken by us to be intended viz. either for Womens speaking in the Church or Womens