Church and such as had cheife spirituall authoritie therin from time to time of whome Christ meant when he said Dic Ecclesiae denounce it to the Church and againe If he heare not the Church let him be to thee as a heathen or publican so in like manner must we say in these daies nor haue we any other reasonable answere why we beleeue any one booke of the new or old Testament to be scripture that is to saie to containe doctrine of the holie ghost and not of man but for that the gouernours of our Church which haue spirituall power among vs doe tell vs so 4. Yea all Sectaries likewise of what sorte or sect soeuer are forced to follow the same rule for that whatsoeuer they admit to be scripture they admit the same either vpon the credit of our Church and gouernours therof or of their owne or of both but especially indeed of their owne which is seen by their doubting or reiecting of any parcels of scripture doubted of or reiected by their owne leaders though admitted by ours As for example the booke of vvisedome of Toby Iudith Ecclesiasticus the first and second of Machabees and other parcels of the old Testament reiected by Luther and Lutherans as also the Epistle of S. Iames the second and third of S. Peter the Apocalips and other peeces of the new testament which our Church admitteth simply But Caluin and Caluinists though expreslie they reiect them not with the Lutherans as appeareth by our English Church where they are left to stand in the Bible yet is their admission so could and conditionall as it may rather seeme a curteous dimission then any way a faithfull or confident acceptation 5. And the same may be said of any other particular point or points of doctrine of any Religion or sect whatsoeuer the leaders or gouernours that are presumed to haue cheife authoritie must iudge and discerne distinguish expound and determine what is to be beleued or not what is to be held and taught or reiected and finallie what is to be done and practised what Sacraments what Ceremonies what Customes are to be vsed hovv where and when And last of all this second part of power and authoritie rule order gouerment and iurisdiction is that which giueth light direction and life to euerie religion And for so much as there can be but one true that can bring vs to saluation it followeth that whersoeuer this true spirituall power and iurisdiction is found there is the onlie true religion also which a man may securelie follow yea that vnder paine of eternall damnation he is bound to follow for that this authoritie will lead him to life euerlasting Christ hauing giuen the keies of heauen thervnto that is to say full power to shut and open heauen by binding or loosing sinnes vpon earth and that in such sort saith S. Chrysostome and all other ancient Fathers with him that the Courte or Tribunall of heauen standeth expecting vvhat is done vpon earth to confirme the same there for so much as euer since this admirable vniuersall and dreadfull authoritie was giuen say they by Christ vpon earth vnto the Gouernours of his Church nothing is done in that Court of heauen but by presidence and predetermination of that which is done or sentenced in the Tribunall of the militant Church on earth that is to say he that is here absolued is absolued there he that is here condemned is condemned there without remission VVherof also the said Fathers do inferre that to find out this authoritie and to follow the same and the direction therof is the only sure way to saluation And that the erring herin either wilfully or of ignorance is the most certaine path to damnation for that by no other ordinary means since this Commission giuen and authoritie instituted among Christians is any grace fauour pardon light direction or other spirituall benefit to be receiued from God but by way of this subordination of spirituall authoritie appointed in his Church 6. VVherfore al hope of life depēding as you see of this soueraigne point so as whosoeuer erreth in this erreth in al ech man wil easilie cōsider how much it importeth him to looke well thervnto and to stand attentiue and vigilant in the discussion therof to see whence and how and by what means and from what sourge and fountaine this authoritie and spirituall Iurisdiction is deriued In which point the three professors of different religions before mentioned doe principally differ and distinguish themselues The Protestāt deducing this spiritual power from the temporall Prince or rather Princesse vnder Q. Elizabeth The Puritane from the people The Catholicke from the succession of Bishops from Christs time downe wards and especially from the highest which they hold to be S. Peter and his successours And which part soeuer of these three hitteth right goeth happely securelie the other two doe run to euerlasting perditiō 7. The Protestant for his ground hath those sayings of scripture That all orderly authoritie is from God That vve must giue to Cesar that vvhich is Cesars That Princes are to be honoured and obeyed for God and Kings as highest in dignitie and that he vvhich resisteth lavvfull authoritie resisteth Gods ordination and therby incurreth damnation c. All which the other two parties granting doe affirme to haue byn vnderstood of temporall authoritie only for gouerning the Commonwealth and not of spirituall for gouerning of soules which they proue for that all Kings and Princes were then infidels and especially the Roman Emperours of whom this was principally meant who by these places of scriptures cannot be said to haue receiued Commission to gouerne the Christian Church which was in their times and vnder their dominions but onlie in temporall matters and Ciuill affaires And that the spirituall power and iurisdiction wherof we talke was at that time in another sorte of men to wit in the Apostles and their successours which were Bishops according to the testimonie of S. Paul in the Acts of the Apostles speaking vnto them and saying The holie Ghost hath placed you Bishops to gouerne his Church vvhich he hath purchased vvith his ovvne bloud 8. The Puritanes or rigid Caluinists haue for their ground certaine elections made by the people and recorded as well in the Acts of the Apostles as in other histories of the Primitiue Church as for example when they chose two in the place of Iudas to wit Ioseph and Matthias to bee determined by lot which of them should be And when afterward they chose S. Stephen six others to supply the place of Deacons many times afterward in the primitiue Church we read that the people did choose or name their Bishops But to this the other two parties doe answere that in the first two examples out of the Acts of the Apostles it is euident by the Text that those elections or nominations
inuisibilitie in those ages but novv she is become visible in our daies Nay you doe set her forth vvith so great an enlargement of greatnes and glorious apparence as you say she is more extended now then ours For that quoth you vve haue all England all Scotland all Germany all Denmarke all Poland a great part of France and some part of Italie VVherein your large extension of your Church in this second parte of your Relation if vve could beleeue you is no lesse strange then vvas your restriction of her secresie and inuisibilitie in the first For vvho vvil graunt you al England for Protestants vvhen they shall see so many prouisions made against both English Catholickes Puritanes vvhich later part of men as vvel as the former that they caÌ„not make one Church vvith you shall preseÌ„tlie be shevved in the Preface of this vvorke 30. Hovv you haue all Germany for youres there being so manie religions and the greatest parte Catholicke and other different Sects greatlie disagreeing from you I knovv not by vvhat figure you can make your Reader to beleeue that you speake truth The like I saie of Denmarke vvhere al are Lutheranes and not of your Church nor vvill it admit Caluinistes to dvvell or dy or be buried amongst them Of all Poland it is a notable hyperbole for so much as both the King â—â—d State professe publicklie the Catholicke reliâ—â—on and the Sectaryes that are in that kingdome â—â—e Trinitarians Arrians Anabaptists more perhaps â—â—nuber then Caluinistes I marueile you omitted â—â—ecia and Noruegia vvhere as they are not Cathoâ—â—â—kes so are they not of your religion or Church 〈◊〉 nor those of France neither though they be â—â—luinistes for as for your some parte of Italie I â—old to be no parte at all nor vvas it anie thing â—se but a certaine ouerflovving of your speach to â—ake the full sound of a greater number the Proâ—â—stants of France I say cannot make one Church â—â—ith you as neither those of Scotland vvith the residue of Holland Zealand and other of â—â—ose Prouinces vnited of Geneua as their Moâ—â—er-Church these I say being all Puritanes â—â—d Precisians cannot make any Church vvith â—ou in that vnion of faith and doctrine vvhich â—â—e vnity of a Church requireth as by your and â—â—eir ovvne confession vvritinges testimonyes â—â—d protestations is extant in the vvorld to be â—â—ene Wherefore I shall desire the intelligent Reaâ—â—r to make vvith me a briefe recollection about â— Attorneyes doctrine for his Church First he â—â—aunteth as you haue heard the Roman Church 〈◊〉 haue byn the true Mother-Church for diuers â—ges togeather spread ouer the vvhole vvorld dilated throughout all Prouinces perspicuous eminent and admirable in florishing glorie by the greatnes and multitude of her children professing Christ euery-vvhere in vnion of faith doctrine and Sacraments as the holie Fathers iâ— those ages and others ensuing doe testify vnto vs 32. Secondlie he vvill haue this glorious Churcâ— so to haue fallen sicke pyned and vvitheredâ— vvay vvithout groaning and so to haue vanisheâ— out of mens sightes as she could not be knovvn vvhere she vvas for many hundred yeares togeather nay he vvill haue her to be like a wedge oâ— golde so corrupted and mingled vvith lead anâ— tinne as no man can tell vvhere the gold lieth except he try it vvith the touch-stone vvhich touch stone in our case he saith to be the scripture vvhereby the Church must by euerie man be tryed and touched so as ech one that vvill knovv this Church and haue benefit from the same musâ— touch her first see vvhether she be the Church or no and so in-steed of submitting himself vnto her and to be directed by her he must first makâ— himselfe touch-maister and Iudge ouer her 33. Thirdlie M Attorney hauing shifted of this time of the inuisibility of his Church in this sort he novv in this last age maketh her so visible againe vpon the suddaine as that she comprehendeth all the Churches of the aforenamed Kingâ—â—mes of vvhat Sect or profession soeuer so that â—â—â—y differ from the Catholicke vvhich are some â—â—ne or ten Sectes at the least al dissenting amoÌ„g â—â—â—mselues professing in their vvritings actes â—â—d doings that they are not of one religion nor â—â—nsequentlie can be of one Church and yet eâ—â—â—ie one goeth vvith his touch-stone in his hand 〈◊〉 vvit the Bible as vvell as M. Attorney and are â—eady to touch him and his Church as he them â—â—d theirs but vvith different effect and successe 〈◊〉 he fyndeth by this touchstone as you haue â—â—ard that all they are of his Church but they â—â—d euery one of them by the same touch-stone â—â—e fynde the contrary and not one of them vvill â—â—unt I saie not one of all the vvhole number of nevv Sectes that the Church of EnglaÌ„d as novv standeth is either the true Church of Christ or â—â—eir Church and in this I dare ioyne issue vvith â— Attorney out of their ovvne bookes assertions â—â—d protestations So as novv M. Attorney that vvhich in the â—â—â—iptures is so memorable of it self so commenâ—â—d by Christ our Sauiour so respected by the Aâ—â—stles so testifyed and defended by the primitiue â—artyrs so magnifyed by the ancient Doctors â—â—d Fathers and by all good Christians so reueâ—â—nced and dreaded I meane the glorious name â—f the Catholicke and vniuersall Church and the benefit to be in her and of her vvithout vvhich no saluation can be hoped for of Christ but ineuitable and euerlasting perdition by vvhich on the other side and in which saluation onlie maie be attained all this I saie is come to be so poore base and contemptible a thing vvith you and so vncertayne as you knovv not vvhere your Church is nor greatlie care so that at all she be and vvhen you name your Sectary-brethren and associates therein they denie you and your alliance as you see and vvhen you assigne your touch-stone of scriptures they vse the same against you and proue thereby youres to be no Church and ech one of themselues in seuerall to be the onlie true and Christian Church And this haue you gained by leauing the Roman vvhich you graunt in old times to haue byn the holy mother-Church see vvherevnto you are come and this shall suffice for this matter 35. This epistle vvould grovv ouerlong if I should entertaine my self in all the impertinent speeches vvhich you had that daie in your glorie as it semeth against Catholickes the least parte vvhereof did in vvise-mens sightes concerne the prisoner at the barre though by your Rhetoricall application all vvas dravven vpon him by hooke or by crooke for that Yorke VVilliams Colen Squiar and Lopus vvere brought in squadron to muster there to that effect vvherof all notvvithstanding except the last are defended and their conspiracies most euidentlie proued to haue byn feygned by a learned vvorthy and vvorshipfull gentleman of our Countrey dedicated these yeares past to the Lords of the late
were permitted to the people by the Apostles themselues for their comforte and encouragement but that the parties so chosen had receiued their authority spiritual iurisdiction from the Apostles themselues And the like is answered for the times ensuing wherin the Bishops did oftentimes permit the said electios to the people for their greater cōtentment consolation in those daies of persecutiō to choose nominate for their Bishop Pastor the man whom they best liked who afterward was inuested cōsecrated by the said Bishops notwithstāding tooke his iurisdiction and spirituall power from them to whom properly that power and authoritie belonged to ordaine both Bishops and Priests as we see the Apostles themselues did euerie where and gaue the like authoritie to others ordained by them As we read that S. Paul hauing made Titus Bishop of Creta gaue him order also to ordaine vt cōstituas per ciuitates presbyteros sicut ego disposui tibi That thou ordaine Priests for Citties as I haue appointed thee 9. The Catholickes for their groūd haue this That Bishops only Priests were made spirituall gouernous of Christs Church by Christ himself and so continued vader Infidel Emperours for three hundered yeares togeather vntill the time of Constantine the great that was first conuerted as afterward more largely will be shewed in due place and that this authoritie is to continue in lawfull succession of Bishops by ordination and imposition of hands vntill the worlds end And that neither temporall Prince can haue this except he be also Priest and receiued it by the same ordinary way of ordination and succession whereof Q. Elizabeth was not capable and much lesse the common people except only by permission to elect and nominate as hath byn said wherof ensueth that if they haue not this spirituall authority in themselues much lesse can they giue it to others And thus according to the Catholickes iudgment doe faile the grounds both of the Protestant and Puritan in this great affaire and failing in this doe faile in all the rest for that of this dependeth all as before hath byn said 10. For if in their Religions there be no true authoritie spirituall or iurisdiction deriued by ordinarie means and succession from Christ then are they awry in all nor haue they any true authority to preach administer Sacraments absolue or bind from sinnes iudge of doctrine determine or decree of any spirituall action whatsoeuer nor are they within the compasse of Christs Church or state of saluation as by necessarie consequence doth ensue and the like of the Catholickes if they in this point be amisse 11. And herby we may see the importance now of this controuersie between M. Attorney and me as also their shallow vnderstāding if they speake as they thinke or rather malicious folly if they doe not who affirme euery where in their bookes against Catholickes that Protestants and Puritanes are but onlie iarring-brethren and reconcilable between themselues and that their differences are not in principall points of Religion but in certaine lesser things and ceremonies For that this being indeed not onlie so substantiall a point of doctrine as before you haue heard but containing also the whole second part of Religion before mentioned to wit all that belongeth to power authoritie gouernement and iurisdiction by which Religion hath her life vertue force and efficacy It is easily seen how vaine and false or rather ridiculous and pernicious the other assertion is and if we well enter into the examination of particulars we shall easilie see the same 12. For suppose for examples sake that the Protestants ground be true that all spirituall iurisdiction force and efficacie therof came vnto their Church in Queene Elizabeths time by her and from her out of the Right of her Crowne that the Puritanes ground be false who pretend the same from the people I meane from their owne Congregations Classes Presbyteries for no other gaue it them what followeth of all this No doubt it must needs follow by manifest consequence of truth that the Puritanes haue no authoritie or spirituall iurisdiction in the Church of God at all nor are lawfull Pastors but vsurpers and intruders and that they entred not by the doore as Christ saith but by other means that is to saie not by the ordinarie doore of lawfull vocation ordination and succession of Priesthood Of which doore the Apostle S. Paul made such high accompt as hauing set downe that vninersal proposition to the Hebrews Nec quisquam sumit sibi honorem sed qui vocatur a Deo tanquam Aâron That no man taketh vnto him the honour of being a Bishop or Priest but he that is called by God therevnto as Aâron was in the old law After this I saie he passeth on to proue that Christ himself the sonne of God tooke not this honour of high Priesthood vpon him but by the publike testimonie of his said Fathers vocation set downe by the Prophet Dauid manie hundred years before he was borne Tu es sacerdos in aeternum secūdum ordinem Melchisedech Thou art a Priest for euer after the order of Melchisedech and not of Aâron And according to this high order of Melchisedech that was both King and Priest and whose sacrifice was not of beasts and birds as those of Aâron but of bread and wyne onlie to prefigurate the most pure and holie sacrifice that Christian Priests were to offer afterward to the worldes end of the body and bloud of Christ in like formes of bread and wyne as all ancient Fathers doe expound it Of this order I say Christ being high Priest made all his Apostles Priests and they others after them and they others againe by the ordinarie way of ordination imposition of hands and succession which hath endured from their time to ours and shall from ours vntill the day of iudgement 13. And this ordinarie doore so called by Christ our Sauiour of entring into spirituall authoritie and iurisdiction ouer his flocke is of such high esteeme and importance that as the first generall doore wherby a man must enter to be a sheep in the said flocke to wit Baptisme is a Sacrament not reiterable and so absolutelie necessarie as no man can enter by any other way so likwise this other particuler doore of entring into Prelacie or Pastor-shipp ouer Christs flocke was ordayned a Sacrament by our Sauiour no lesse necessarie for distinguishing theeues robbers and intruders from true and lawfull Pastors to vse our Sauiours similitude then the other of Baptisme to distinguish sheep from wolues and Christs flocke from Infidells and others of the Synagoge of Satan 14. And now in all this which we haue spoken by occasion of the Puritanes pretence to enter into spirituall gouerment ouer Christs flocke by voice and choise of their owne people we doe not much differ from their Maister and Doctor Iohn Caluin who confesseth that this
And as for Ecclesiasticall Constitutions to this effect made as well by generall Councells as particular Popes euen downe from the primitiue Church sufficient testimonies or rather aboundant are extant and may be seen collected togeather by Gratian and others in the sixt Booke of Decretalls especially out of two Lateran Generall Councells and manie other particular decrees Laws and Ordinances Ecclesiasticall tending to this purpose And many ages before this the same exemptions be recorded especially for the immunitie of their persons from secular power and tribunals as in the Councel of Calcedon and 9. Canon The Councel Agathense and 32. Canon and the third Councel of Carthage wherin S. Augustine himself was present and diuerse other Councels 37. And there doe not want many learned deuines who are of opinion that this exemption of Ecclesiastical persons and their goods is not onlie Iuris humani Ecclesiastici by positiue and humane Ecclesiasticall laws But Iuris diuini also that is to saie by right of diuine law in a certaine sorte which is thus to bee vnderstood That albeit God hath not expreslie commaunded it in the written law of Scripture yet is it conforme both to the law of nature which is also Gods law as likewise it may be deduced inferred from exaÌ„ples recorded in Scripture vnder the old TestameÌ„t that God would haue this honour of exemption and immunitie in temporall things to be exhibited to his Cleargy And therfore we doe reade in Genesis that Ioseph the Patriarch in the law of Nature did exempt the Priests of the Egyptians from all temporall tributes And in the bookes of Esdras we read that Artaxerxes King of the Persians out of the same law of Nature did make free also the Priests of Israell And that the very Gentiles did the same to their Priests out of the same law and instinct of Nature is euident out of Aristotle in his second booke Oeconomicorum And of Caesar in his sixt booke De bello Gallico And out of Plutarch in the life of Camillus and other Pagan writers And in the written law we read as well in Exodus as in the booke of Numbers That God did often affirme that he would haue the order of Leuites to be his and to be freelie giuen and made subiect onlie to Aaron their high Priest and to paye no tribute Out of which is inferred that if God in the law of Nature and of Moyses would haue Priests and Leuites to be free in their persons goods from temporall exactions much more may it be presumed that he will haue it so in the new Law of the Ghospel where to vse the words of S. Leo. Et Ordo clarior Leuitarum dignit as amplior seniorum sacratior vnctio sacerdotum c. The order of Leuites is more eminent and the dignitie of elders more excellent and the annointing of Priests more sacred and holy among Christians then they were among the Iewes And thus much of Ecclesiasticall Laws for exemption of the Cleargie 38. But now vpon the very self same Considerations temporall Princes also comming to be Christians did voluntarily consume establish by their politicall laws the same exemptions as first of all our first Christian Emperour Constantine the Greate as soone as he came to receiue that Grace and light of the ghospell did vpon his singular deuotion make al the Ecclesiastical persons immunes à communibus Reipublicae oneribus Free from al publicke charges and burthens of the Common-wealth which laye men did vnder goe as by his epistle sett downe by Eusebius is cleere And the same example did other Christian Emperours follow after him as may appeere by diuers laws as well in the Code of Theedosius as also of Iustinian And the same doth S. Hiâ—rome signifie to haue been in vse in his daies and S. Ambrose also in his so much as appertaineth to the freedome of their persons though for their lands and possessions he saith Agri Ecclesiae solnâ—nt tributum That the lands of the Church did paie a certaine tribute at that tyme which may be vnderstood in the respect of the Emperours publicke necessitie through warrs vpon which or like due coÌ„siderations Clergie men haue all waies been ready and ought to be to contribute willinglie and gratefully according to their abilities towards the publike charges of their temporall Princes affaires notwithstanding their exemptions by law and iustice 39. Particular Kings and Princes in like manner vpon their deuotions and to the imitation of their foresaid good Emperours haue by their particular lawes in euery Christian countrey confirmed the franquises freedomes and immunities of the Church and Cleargie and perhaps in no one nation morâ— throughout Christendome than in our English Realme whether we consider times either before the Conquest or after And before the Conquest it may be seen by the collectioÌ„ of old English lawes of euery Kingdome sett forth by K. Edgar and K. Edward the Confessor and after the Conquest by the Coâ—querour himseâ— as after shall be shewed And after him againe by the very first Statutes that are extant in Print namelie from the great Charter made by K. Henry the third in the 9. yeare of his Raigne and the articles of the Cleargie established in the 9. yeare of K. Edward the second in the fauour of the said Cleargie the said great Charter being reiterated and ratified in most of the insuing Parlaments for authorizing and establishinge the foresaid exemptions and priuiledges of Clergie-men which were from time to time by al our Kings confirmed as afterward shall more largely and perticularly be proued vntill the later times of K. Henry the eight 40. Now then matters standing thus and the Church in euery countrey throughout Christendome being in possession of these liberties freedomes and immunities for their persons and goods and acknowledging for their supreame superiour in Spirituall Power and Iurisdiction the Bishop of Rome and their temporall Kings in Ciuill and temporall matters there grew in processe of time many difficulties and entanglements about the execution and subordination of these two Iurisdictions Temporall and Spiritual the one to th' other sometimes by abuse passioÌ„ or indiscretioÌ„ of some vnder-officers of these two supreame powers tribunals within our land ech side seeking to incroach vpon the other or at leastwise not to be content with their owne limits For as between the spirit and flesh in this life to vse againe S. Gregorie Nazianzens similitude there is some continuall strife and struglinge so hath it been allwayes in a certaine sorte between these two powers of Spirituall and Temporall Iurisdiction or at leastwise in the exercise therof especially as riches temporalityes grew more in the Clergie and therby gaue matter of enuy and emulation and lesse deuotion to the laytie towards them in so much that at length for auoidinge worse inconueniences limitations conditions concordates and transactions were made
the Archbishops and bishops seals of office for testisying of this the Kings Highnes armes be decentlie sett with Characters vnder the said Armes for the knowledge of the diocesse that they shall vse noe other seale of Iurisdiction but wherin his Maiestyes armes be engraued c. 23. Lo heere not onlie the name and Authoritie of head of the Church giuen to K. Edward the Child and taken from the Pope but all Iurisdiction also and signe of Iurisdiction spirituall taken from the Archbishops and Bishops of England excepting onlie so far forth as it was imparted vnto them by the said Child K. Which importeth much if you consider it well For this is not onlie to haue power to visitt and gouerne Ecclesiasticall persons and to reforme abuses Set downe in the Queenes graunt by parlament but to haue all Ecclesiasticall and spirituall power and iurisdiction originallie included in his owne person and so to be able from him self as from the first fountaine and highest origen on earth to deriue the partes parcells thereof to others which you may consider how different it is from that which here the Statute would seeme to ascribe to the Queene and opposite and contrarye to all that which the ancient Fathers in the precedent chapter did affirme protest not to be in their Kings and Emperours at all but in Bishops and Preists onlie as deliuered immediatlie to them by Christ our Sauiour and by them and from them onlie to be administred to others for their saluation But by this new order of the English Parlament the contrarie course is established to witt that it must come to Bishops and Preists from a laie man yea a Child and from a lay-woman also as the other Parlament determineth and then must it needs follow also as after more larglie shall bee proued that both the one and the other I meane K. Edward and Queen Elizabeth had power not onlie to giue this Ecclesiasticall iurisdictiō vnto others but much more to vse and exercise the same in like manner in their owne persons if they would as namelie to giue holie orders create consecrate Bishops confirme Children absolue sinnes administer Sacraments teach and preach iudge and determine in points of faith and beleife sitt in iudgement vpon errors and heresies and the like And this for K. Edward 24. Now then if it may be presumed as I thinke it may that Queene Elizabeths meaning was to haue no lesse Authoritie Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall giuen vnto her and acknowledged in her then her said Father and Brother had vsed before why did not the makers of this Statute set it downe in plaine words as the other did but disguised the matter by such māner of speach as they might seeme to giue but little wheras they gaue all and more then all The Cause was that which I haue said before for which they laboured not to be vnderstood of all men but to speake as it were in mysterye not to offend so publikelie the Caluinists and yet to include matter inough to ouerthrow Catholikes But the said exacter parte and purer Caluinists quicklie found out the matter and so they began verie shortly after to mutter and write against this and diuers other points of the Statute and so haue continued euer since and the Controuersie betweene them is indeterminable 25. Well then for so much as now we haue laid open the true state of the Question and that M. Attorney is bound to proue his proposition in this sense and explication that heere is sett downe out of K. Henry and K. Edwards Statutes to witt that Q. Elizabeth had all plenarie power of Spirituall Iurisdiction in her self to deriue vnto others at her pleasure as from the head and fountaine thereof And that no Bishop Archbishop or other Ecclesiasticall person within the Realme had or could haue anie spirituall power or iurisdiction but from the wellspring and supreame sourge thereof And this not onlie by vertue of the foresaid Statute of the first yeare of her raigne but before without this also by the verie force of her Princely Crowne according to the meaning of the old and most auncient cōmon laws of England It will be time now to passe on to the veiw of his proofes which for so new strange and weightie an assertion that toucheth if wee beleiue the former alleadged Fathers the very quicke and one of the neerest means of our eternal saluation or damnation ought to bee very cleere sound and substantiall We shall see in the sequent Chapter what they are VVHERAS IN THE CASE PROPOSED THERE MAY BE TVVO KINDES OF PROOFES The one DE IVRE the other DE FACTO M. Attorney is shewed to haue fayled in both and that we doe euidently demonstrate in the one and in the other And first in that DE IVRE CHAP. IIII. THat the late Queene of England had such plenary Ecclesiasticall Power as before had byn said this by the intent meaninge of the old ancient Common-lawes of Englād though vnto me to many others it seeme a most improbable Paradox and doe meane afterwardes by Gods assistance to prooue and euidently demonstrate the same and shew that from our first Christiā Kings vnto K. Henry the eight the Common-lawes of our Land were euer conforme and subordinate to the Canō Ecclesiasticall lawes of the Roman Church in all spirituall affayres yet for so much as M. Attorney hath taken vpon him to prooue the contrary two heades of proofe he may follow therin The first De Iure the second De facto And albeit he entitle his Booke according to the first to witt De Iure Regis Ecclesiastico yet doth he nothing lesse then prosecute that kind of proofe but rather flippeth to the second which is De Facto endeauoring to prooue that certaine Kings made certaine lawes or attempted certaine factes somtimes and vpon some occasions that might seeeme somwhat to smel or taste of Ecclesiasticall power assumed to themselues in derogation or restraint of that of the Bishops Popes or Sea of Rome 2. Now albeit this were so and graunted as after it will be reproued yet well knoweth M. Attorney that an argument De facto inferreth not a proofe De Iure For if all the factes of our Kings among others should be sufficient to iustifie all matters done by them then would for example fornication be proued lawfull for that some of them are knowne to haue had vnlawfull children and left bastardes behinde them And the like we might exemplify in other things Neither doe I alleadge this instance without peculiar cause or similitude For as in that vnlawfull act of the flesh they yelded rather to passion and lust then to their owne reason iudgment knowing well inough that they did amisse when they were voyd of the same passion so in some of these actions of contention about Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction some of them were byassed with interest somtymes by indignation
as in the precedent demonstration you haue heard yet in Ecclesiasticall and Church-matters they had all one and the self same lawes though they were different Kings and enemyes for the most part one to the other liuing in continâ—all warrs for the suspition the one had that the other would encroache vpon him And yet shall you neuer reade that any of them did goe about to punish a Priest or Clergie man for bringing in any Ecclesiasticall ordinance function or order from his enemyes countreyes which is an euident argument that all was one in Ecclesiasticall matters and consequently that these lawâ—â— and ordinances did not proceed from any of the Kings authority in their particular Kingdomes for then would not the other haue receaued the same but from one generall body and head which is the Church and vniuersall gouernour therof 17. To all which may be added this consideration of one Metropolitan the Archbishop of Canterbury who had the spirituall iurisdiction ouer the far greatest part of all these English Kingâ— Dominions wherof diuers were enemyes in temporall mattâ—â—â— to the King of Kent in whose territoryes his Bishopricke and Residence was yet did no one of all these other Kings except against this his spirituall authority ecclesiasticall iurisdiction in matters belonging to Religion which doth euidently demonstrate that this Ecclesiasticall power of the said Archbishop was a different thing from the temporall of these Princes and placed in a different person and that all these Kings were one in acknowledgemeÌ„t of obedience vnto this spirituall iurisdiction though in other things ech man had his temporall power and State a part But if these powers were combyned togeather in the person of the Prince and annexed to his Crowne and Scepter as M. Attorney doth pretend then would ech of them haue had a seuerall Metropolitan vnder him independent the one of the other which we see was neuer attempted but all acknowledged the said Archbishop of Canterbury or the other of Yorke in their districts acâ—ording to the power and limitations giuen them by the Bishop of Rome as already hath byn declared And though much more might be said in this point and many particularities alleadged which for breuities sake I omitt yet this already said will suffice to shew the force of this argument 18. One thing only I may not let passe to aduertise the reader of which is a certaine wyly slight deuised by M. Attorney to decline the force and euidence of this proofe saying that albeit those Ecclesiasticall lawes were taken from others yet being allowed and approued by the temporall prince they are now his lawes But this shift is refuted by that which already we haue sett downe before For if one the self-same Ecclesiasticall law receaued by seauen Kings and Kingdomes ioyntly within our land shal be said to be ech Kings proper lawes for that they are approued and receaued by him his realme then shall one and the self-same law haue seauen authors yea more then seauenty for that so many Kingdomes and States as through-out Christendome shall receaue the same Ecclesiasticall and Canon-law for example made and promulgated by the generall Pastor therof ech particuler Prince I say admitting the same as he is bound to doe if he be truly Catholike shal therby be said to be the particular author therof which is no lesse ridiculous then if a man should say that euery prouince in France admitting a law made by the King in Paris should be the seuerall makers of that law But for that I shall haue occasion perhaps to handle this point more at large afterward I shall say no more now but passe to another Demonstration The third Demonstration 19. The third Demonstration consisteth in this that in all the tyme of our Christian Kings before the Conquest being aboue an hundred in number in the space of almost fiue hundred yeares as before hath byn said all doubts or difficulties of greatest importance that fell out about Ecclesiasticall busines or meÌ„ all weighty consultations and recourse for remedy of iustice and decisions in Ecclesiasticall causes of most moment were not made to the Kings of our Realme nor to their Tribunalls but to the Bishops of Rome for the tyme being as lawfull iudges therof both by the subiects and Princes themselues and consequently those Princes did not hold themselues to be heads of their Churches nor did thinke that they had supreme Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction deriued from their Crownes And this point is so euident in 〈◊〉 the course of our ancient English histories so aboundant to amples doe euery-where offer themselues to this effect as a whole booke might be made of this point only But I shal be myndfull of breuity and out of many and almost infinite examples name a few obseruing also some order of tyme therin 20. We haue said somwhat before in the next precedent demonstration of the beginning of spirituall Iurisdiction exercise therof in England by S. Augustine our first Archbishop vnder Gregory the Pope both of them our Apostles who did exercise and put in vre spirituall iurisdiction ouer all the Church of England without reference to K. Ethelbert though he were a Christian and a very good Christian King And when the sayd S. Augustine dyed he remitted not the matter to the said King to appoint an Archbishop after him but by concession of the Sea Apostolike did nominate two that should succeed him in order Laurentius and Mellitus vpon the yeare of Christ 604. as S. Bede doth testifie And some six yeres after that againe the said Mellitus being Bishop of London and hauing begun to buyld a certaine Monasterie at the west part of that Citty called afterward VVestminster intending to make it a Seminary of Bishops and Clergie-men for the spirituall help of the whole realme he esteâ—med it of such importance as for that and other such Ecclesiasticall affaires he went to Rome to take direction therin from Pope Boniface the 4. who thervpon called a Synod togeather in Rome de necessarys Ecclesiae Anglorum causis ordinaturus saith Bede to ordeine what was conuenient about the necessary occasions of the English Church And that Mellitus had his seat and place also as Bishop of London in that Synod To the end saith he that he retourning into Britany should carry the ordinations of this Synod to be obserued by the Church os England and Clergie therof And further he addeth that â—â—nisacius the Pope wrote letters by the said Mellitus as well to Lauâ—ence then Archbishop of Canterbury as to Ethelbert their King and to the whole nation of English-men though now the said leâ—ters be not extant yet herby it is euident what authoritie they acknowledged in those daies to be in the Bishop and Sea of Roâ—â— about English affaires and that neither King Ethelbert of Kenâ— nor King Sebert of London and Essex being both Christian princes did repyne therat as
case make directly against M. Attorneys conclusion For that the King acknowledged the Pope to be a superiour Iudge ouer English Bishops aboue himself and then was the iudgement of those Sages named by M. Attorney that thought him so deepely to haue offended in acknowledging the Popes authority farre from the purpose And howsoeuer it were cleere it is that the King seased only vpon temporalityes of the Bishops and tooke not vpon him to depriue them of their spirituall iurisdictions as Queene Elizabeth did when shee fell out with M. Grindall her Primate and Archbishop of Canterbury whome she by her Ecclesiasticall authority depriued of his iurisdiction and appointed Commissaryes of her owne in diuers Countryes to execute the same iurisdiction as immediate from her self which this K. Edward did not nor any of his Predecessors or Successours vntil K. Henry the 8. and therby shewed that they pretended nothing of their spirituall authority so this example or instance of seasing vpon teÌ„poralties either by right or wrong proueth nothing for M. Attorney his purpose Let vs passe then to his 3. instaÌ„ce The Attorney Concerning men twise marryed called Bigami whome the Bishop of Rome by a Constitution made at the Councelll of Lâ—ons hath excluded from all priuiledge of Clergy whervpon certeyne â—relates when such persons haue byn attainted for felloâ—s haue prayed for to haue them deliuered as Clerkes which were made Bigami before the same constitution It is agreed and declared before the King and his Counsell that the same coÌ„stitution shal be vnderstood in this wise that whether they were Bigami before the same constitution or after they shall not from henceforth be deliuered to the Prelates but iustice shal be executed vpon them as vpon other lay people The Catholicke Deuine 31. About this instance taken out of a Statute made in the 4. yeare of K. Edward the first it is first to be noted that albeit mention be made heere only of the late constitution of the Councell of Lyons vnder Pope Gregorie the tenth concerning Bigamies or those that are twise married yet is the thing it self of more antiquity in the Catholicke Church as may appeare throughout the whole title De Bigamis non ordinandis in the first booke of Decretalls that is to say that such as haue byn twise married may not take holy orders But yet for that there was a doubt whether such men hauing primam tonsuram or minores ordines and therby made Clerkes might enioy the priuiledges of Clergy-men for their persons and goods suites in law and the like which could not be decided but by Ecclesiasticall Iudges this controuersie I say which included many braunches consequences especially for England was defined in the said Councell of Lyons and the definitiue sentence or decision was in these words Begamos omni priuilegio Clericali declaramus esse nudatos corrections forisae cidaris addictos consuetudine contraria non obstante ipsis quoque sub anathe mate prohibemus deferre tonsuram vel habitum Clericalem We doe declare that all such as haue byn twise marryed are depriued of all priuiledge of Clergy-men are subiect to the correction of the temporall Magistrate notwithstanding any custome to the contrary And we doe forbidd them also vnder paine of excommunication that they doe not beare Ecclesiasticall tonsure nor Priestly habit or apparell of Clergy-men 32. Which decision or declaration of the said generall Councell coming forth presently there arose a doubt in England whether such Bigamies as had borne that attyre and tonsure before that tyme and were now in present necessity to vse the priuiledge of the Clergy for deliuering themselues out of the secular iustice hand ought to haue the same or no for that it might be presumed that the Councell meant only of these Bigamyes that should beare the habit afterward Vnto which opinion as to the more pious and pittifull the Bishops inclining demaunded to haue deliuered vnto them as Clerkes all such fellons as had bin Clerkes or taken for Clerkes before the Councell But the King and his Counsell were of an other opinion to wit that Pope Gregory his decision was in generall tearmes and excepted none neyther before nor after and thereby vnderstood and meant to exclude all 33. This is the case and this is the decision thereof And now let the discreet Reader iudge whether this example maketh more for M. Attorneys purpose or against him for that here the King his Counsell doe stand more strictly to the obseruaunce of the Popes decree as it lyeth then those Bishops themselues who would haue had these Bigamyes deliuered vnto them as Clerkes and therefore vrge to haue it punctually and exactly obserued And for that men of reason might meruaile why M. Attorney a man of such accompt in the law hath brought in such an instance so impertinent to his purpose he seeketh to remedy the matter by this note in the margent Obserue saith he how the King by the aduise of his Counsell expounded how the said Councell of Lyon should be vnderstood and in what sense it should be receaued and allowed heere And why is all this diligent commentary thinke you Forsooth to the end that you may imagine that the King and his Counsell tooke themselues to be aboue the Pope and generall Councell of Lyons for that they tooke vpon them to expound admit the said Councells decree By which argument M. Attorney may proue also that Archbishop Peckam of Canterbury calling a Sinod as before you haue heard of his Bishops Suffragans and other Prelates for receauing publishing and obseruing the said decrees of the same Pope and Councell the very next yeare after it was held did thinke themselues to be aboue the said Pope and Councell and to haue authority ouer them for that they receaued allowed and expounded the same decrees And doth not euery man see the folly of this kind of reasoning 34. And yet you must note further that for better bringing in of this argument M. Attorney straineth the text extremely in three or foure things to make place for this his note For whereas in the latin text of the Statute for K. Edward the first put forth in latin and so is it extant vntill this day it is said Quidam Praelati sâ—â—quam Clericos exigerunt sibi liberandos c. Certaine Prelates did require or exact to haue such Bigamies deliuered freely vnto them as Clerkes which were made Bigannies before the said constitution M. Attorney saith Certaine Prelates haue prayed to haue them deliuered whereas betwene exigere and rogare to exacte and pray is a great difference in this case 35. And againe where it is written in latin Concordatum est declaratum coram Rege Consilio suo quod constitutio illa intelligenda fit quod siuè effecti fuerunt Bigami ante praedictam constitutionem siuè post de catero non liberentur Praelatis imò fiat de
VValsingham alleadgeth this confirmation of the said priuiledge in his time Quod nullus Clericus sit arrei ratuâ— coram Iustitiarijs suis siue ad sectam suam siue partes si Clericus suae Clerimoniae se submittat dicens se membrum Ecclesiae Sanctae non debere ipsis Iustitiarijs respoÌ„dere That no Clerk maie bee arraygned before the Kings Iustices at the suite of the said King or of anie other party yf the said Clerk doe submitt himself to his Clergie affirming that hee being a member of holy Church ought not to answere to the said Iustices So VValsingham And this shall bee sufficient to meete with the assertion of M. Attorney to the contrary and herewith shall we end our speach of King Henry the eight Of King Edvvard the sixt the one and twentith King after the Conquest §. III. 26. This younge Prince being but a child of 9. yeares old when his father King Henry died as often hath been said was by his Tutors and Gouernours especially his Vncle Earle of Hartford after made Duke of Somerset and some others that followed his appetite in the desire of innouation about matters of religion declared Head of the Church vnder the same stile as his father had been before and by that headship and pretence therof they took to theÌ„selues authoritie to make that change which after ensued partly to the opinions of Luther partly of Zuinglius for Caluin was not yet so famous or forward in credit for some years after and to ouerthrow and alter in effect all that King Henry by his headship had ordained and established before concerning religion as may appeare by the seuerall and particular repeals of the most parte of all his Statutes touching that affaire except only this of his departure from the Pope and obedience of the Sea Apostolicke 27. But yet one principall declaration and important constitution they added in this matter as before hath been touched aboue that of King Henry according to the saying facile est inuentis addere and this is that whereas the Father K. Henry taking from the Pope his accustomed iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall did transferre it vnto his Clergie of England and afterward declaring himself Spirituall head of that Clergie did consequentlie inferre he was head of the English Church also in spirituall matters yet did he not explaine from what origen properly this spirituall power did flow which point the said Gouernours of the child-King Edward did interprete and decide shewing that all spirituall iurisdiction power and authority ouer soules by loosing or binding of sinnes or other spirituall actions in Bishops Prelates and Priests proceeded and was deriued from this young child who yet notwithstanding as ech man may consider was not of yeares to haue perfect vse of reason for disposing so much as temporall matters and how much lesse in spirituall For so affirmeth plainly S. Paul to the Galathians Quanto tempore haeres parâ—ulus est nihil differt à seruo cum sit Dominus omnium sed sub tutoribus actoribus est vsque ad praefinitum tempus à Patre All the time that the heire is young or vnder age though he be Lord of all by inheritance yet doth he differ nothing from a seruant or bound-man in subiection but is vnder Tutors and Administrators vntill the tyme of his age appointed by his Father So the Apostle 28. And if then this young King had not yet authority as of himself to dispose of any temporall affaires which are of much lesse moment we may easily consider what may be thought of spirituall and Ecclesiasticall that require more the vse of reason and iudgement for exercising of iurisdiction therin then doth the other But you will say perhaps that the same Tutors and Administrators that gouerned him in secular Ciuill affaires might take vpon them also iurisdiction in the spirituall likewise and so the Duke of Somerset for example with his assistants might be secondary or Vicar-heads of the Church of England vnder him for the tyme to absolue or bind sinnes determine of heresies dispose of Sacraments and the like 29. But to this â—s easily answered according to the principles set downe in the secoÌ„d Chapter of this booke that for so much as all temporall power is giuen first of all by God in the law of Nature vnto the people or multitude who thereby haue authority to transferre the same to what manner of gouernement they like either Monarchie or other it followeth also that the Common-wealth that had authority to choose or appoint the state of Kings to raigne ouer them had and hath power to giue sufficient authority in like manner to Tutors and Administrators to gouerne the said Common-wealth in temporall affaires during the tyme of their Kings minority or non-age But that the origen of spirituall power comming not by this way of the people nor being giuen to them at all but immediatly by Christ our Sauiour to his Apostles and their Successours Bishops and Prelates by lawfull Ordination and Succession of Priesthood and imposition of hands to the end of the world no temporall Tutors or Administrators could rightly get into this authority except they were first made Priests and this also by Caluins opinion and assertion as well as ours as before hath byn declared 30. By this then wee see how and by what assurance this headship of the Church and supreme Ecclesiasticall authoritie therof passed from the Father to the sonne which was such as it liked not M. Attorney to alleadge anie one Statute of this mans time against vs though all in deed were made against vs and against the said Father as maie bee easily imagined considering the Current of that time And the very first of all was in fauour of Luthers opinioÌ„ about the Reall presence which afterward they changed into that of Zwinglius They changed also twyce their Communion booke and forme of seruice and Sacraments first vpon the second and third yeares of King Edwards raigne and secondly vpon the 5. and 6. as appeareth in the particular Statutes of those yeares They repealed a great number of K. Henries Statutes as by name concerning treasons and heresies They repealed his famous Statute for PrecoÌ„tracts in marriages as also dissolued diuers of his Courts that he had set vp And finally they respected nothing the said King Henries headship nor his prescription or direction therin but followâ—d their owne for the time that their power endured And yet all was published vnder the name of the Ghospell and New reformation established by negociation in Parlament as though the matter had proceeded from very sound and founded Ecclesiasticall authoritie And this for that time wherof M. Attorney alleadging no one example against vs I haue no further need to enlarge my self Of the raigne of Queene Mary the two and twentith Princesse after the Conquest §. IIII. 31. As M. Attorney doth preâ—ermitt
also calumnious what shall wee saie of M. Attorney in this behalfe that presumeth so confidentlie to put such open vntruths in print 4. First then for the former point not onlie many Catholicks in the first eleuen yeares by him prescribed did refuse publikely to come to the Protestants Church but many Puritans also from the verie first entrance of Queen Elizabeth to her Crowne and so is it testified by publike authoritie of diuers books set forth by order and approbation of the Bishops of England themselues these years past against the said Puritans recounting the beginning ofspring and progresse of that Sect and faction one of them wriâ—â—ng thus Vpon the returne of Goodman VVhittingham Gylby with â—he rest of their associates from Geneua to England although it greiued them at the heart that they might not beare as great a â—way heer in their seuerall Consistories as Caluyn did it Geneua c. yet medled not they much in shew with matters of this discipline but rather busied themselues about the apparrell of ministers ceremonies prescribed and in picking of quarrells against the Communion booke c. Thus writeth hee of the first Geneâ—ian English preachers that returned from thence to England after the Queens raigne and that for these quarrels against the Common and Communion-booke they refused to come to the Protestants Church in those daies as much as Catholikes it is euident But yet you shall heare it affirmed plainly and distinctly out of the same Author quite opposite to M. Attorneys asseveration though hee bee of his religion if yet he haue made his choise 5. For the first ten or eleuen yeares of her Maiestyes raigne saith hee through the peeuish frowardnes the outcries exclamations of those that came home from Geneua against the garments prescribed to ministers and other such like matters no man of anie experience is ignorant what great contentioâ— and strife was raised in so much as their Sectaries deuided themselues from their ordinarie coÌ„gregations meeting togeather in priuate howses in woods and fields had and kept there their disorderly and vnlawfull Conuenticles which assemblees notwithstanding the absurdnes of them in a Church reformed M. Cart-wright within a while after tooke vpon him in a sorte to defend c. So hee And thus much for Puritanes whome if M. Attorney will graunt to bee of anie perswasion what soeuer in Christian religion he then must needs graunt also that hee was much oâ—ershott in this his first so generall a Proposition affirming that none of what persuasion soeuer did at anie time refuse within that compasse to goe to Church But lett vs see how wee can ouerthrow the same in like manner concerning Catholickes of whom principally hee meant it 6. Hee that shall but cast backe the eye of his memorie vpon the beginning of Queen Elizabeths raigne and shall consider how many Archbishops Bishops Deans Archdeacons Heads of Colledges Chanons Priests Schollers Religious persons of diuers sortes and sexes Gentle-men Gentle-weomen and others did refufe openly to conforme themselues to that new change of Religion then made and published by authority of the said Queen at the beginning of her raigne will maruaile how and in what sense and whether in iest or earnest sleeping or waking M. Attorney set downe in writing so generall a negatiue assertion For that he shall see so many conuictions therof as there be particular witnesses of credit against him in that behalfe And truly it seemeth that either he was an infant or vnborne at that time and hath vnderstood little of those affaires since or els forgot himself much now in affirming so resolutely a proposition refutable by so infinite testimonyes 7. For if he looke but vpon Doctor Sanders Monarchy in latin in his 7. booke where he handleth the matters that fell out vpon the first change of religion in Queen Elizabeths dayes he shall find 14. Bishops at least of England only besides ten more of Ireland and Scotland togeather with Doctor Fecknam Abbot of VVestminster Father Maurice Chasey and VVilson Priors of the Carthusians 13. Deans of Cathedrall churches 14. Archdeacons 15. heads of Colledges almost 50. Chanons of Cathedrall churches aboue eightscore other Priests wherof diuers were Doctors or Bachlers of diuinity Ciuill and Canon-law depriued from their liuings and offering themselues either to voluntary banishment abroad or to imprisonment and disgrace at home for maintenance of Catholicke religion to omit all the rest of the lay sort both of the Nobility Gentry and others that stood openly to the defence of the same Religion All which did refuse to goe to the Protestant-seruice euen in those first dayes which is testimony inough to conuince the open and notorious falsity of M. Attorneys assertion that no person of what persuasion soeuer in Christian religion did at any time refuse to goe to Church though I deny not but that many other besides these throughout the Realme though otherwise Catholickes in heart as most then were did at that tyme and after as also now either vpon feare or lacke of better instruction or both repaire to Protestant-Churches the case being then not so fully discussed by learned men as after it was whether a man with good conscience may goe to the Church and seruice of a different Religion from his owne which releiueth little M. Attorneys affirmation And so this shall suffice for the first point 8. In the second point being no lesse notoriously vntrue then the first he offereth the said Catholickes much more iniury in affirming that vpon this occasion of the Bul of Pius quintus against Q. Elizabeth they first refused to goe to the Church as not holding her for true and lawfull Queene insinuating therby another consequence also much more false and malicious then this to wit that the same may be said and vnderstood of Recusant Catholickes at this day in respect of his Maiesty that now is But the vntruth of this assertion is most manifest both by that we haue shewed before that great multitudes of Catholickes refused euen from the beginning to goe to Protestant-Churches though then the matter was not much vrged against them as also by this other reason for that their holding the Queene for true or vnlawfull was and is impertinent to the matter of going to Church Nay their holding her for not Queen if any so did did rather disoblige then oblige them to this recusancy 9. The reason heerof is for that one principall cause binding them in conscience not to goe to the seruice of a different or opposite religion to their owne was the precept and commaundement giuen by the said Queene that all should repaire to the said seruice to shew their conformity c. For that the obeying of this precept in matters of religioÌ„ they offering themselues otherwise to goe to any Church for temporall matters was a kind of publike denying their owne faith As for example if in Persia at this day or other
and thereupon he reiected the one and fauoured the other as more sincere people and more to bee trusted by him that were so trustie and faithfull to their God and his religion yf this I saie were a good censure and iudgment I doe not see how this other of M. Attorney can stand vpon anie ground of reason or Christian charitie that qualifieth so greiuously or rather calumniateth so egregiously the religious standing of Catholicke people in the moderate defence and excuse of their said consciences 22. But heere perhaps hee may demaund or some body for him what great reasons wee haue for this obstacle of our iudgment for not conforming it to his and others in this behalfe Wherunto though sufficientlie hath been alleadged before in the Answere to his Preface yet now may some two or three points or considerations bee further added in confirmation therof among almost infinite that might bee produced And the first may bee that which hitherto wee haue treated in this book with M. Attorney concerning the continuance of that religion for which wee stand throughout the whole race and course of our Christian English-Princes State and Realme from the beginning of our first conuersion vnto our time All which Kings and Queens Counsellors Nobilitie Archbishops Bishops Doctors Vniuersities Lawyers and Sages of all sortes were for so manie ages by one and the self-same religion profession and beleife directed and saued if anie were saued that is to say by the selfsame means doctrine and Sacraments of our auncient Catholicke English Church continuing vntill K. Henry 8. tyme which Church professed the very same faith and beliefe in like maner as in another special booke hath been declared wherby all other Christian nations had been directed and saued for those other ages which went before our English conuersion after Christs assension 23. New then this being so I would aske anie reasonable indifferent English-man whether wee haue iust cause to stand in and for this religion or not and whether if himself were now readie to die for that is the time when men doe iudge with lesse passion and had laid before his eyes the euerlasting ioyes of heauen on the one side and the eternall paines of hell on the other to bee lost or gayned by his election whether I saie hee would aduenture rather to goe in companie and ioyne himself with this large and venerable bodie of old English Catholickes among whome there are recorded by histories to haue been so manie admirable men both for learning wisdome and sanctitye of life or leauing these to take parte and receiue his portion with such later people of the same nation as haue deuided themselues from the other And when M. Attorney in good probabilitie of reason shall substantiallie answere mee this demaund it may doubtlesse bee a great motiue vnto mee and others to draw vs to the current of this present time but in the meane space wee must stand fast least wee fall into the torrent of brimstone if wee goe against our consciences by which wee must bee iudged and euery man damned or saued thereby as out of the Apostles testimonie before hath been declared 24. And thus much for standing in our old religion Now for passing to a new there is another obstacle also that greatlie withholdeth vs and this is that when wee shall haue left this old religion so begun so established so confirmed so promised by God to endure to the worlds end so generallie receiued so vniuersalli-continued as hath been declared wee cannot tell to what otheâ— sorte sect or parte of religion to passe with anie probable securitie or certeynty at all why wee should rather adhere to one sect then to another For when once wee leaâ—â— the said Catholicke religion so grouÌ„ded as you haue seen there is no one substantiall reason à parte rei that can bee assigned by anie man liuing neuer so learned why hee should more or rather follow one parte profession sect or new opinion then another As for example if to a man that vpon anie offence disgust scandall error anger interest leuity or the like for these are the ordinary motiues of changes breaketh from the auncient Catholicke Romain religion there should represent themselues vnto him fiue or six of the principall newest sects and sortes that professe different religions in our time all vnder the name of the Ghospell as namelie of Lutheranes either ridged or soft of Anabaptists Trinitarians new Arrians Zwinglians Calâ—â—nists of both sortes to witt Puritans and other all which haue their different positions professions articles faiths Churches conuenticles in these our daies and if he should demaund of fiue or six distinct Doctors of these new-ghospellers what substantiall reason or infallible grouÌ„d they can alleadge wherewith to persuade him that he ought to take their particular partes or bee of their seueral sects the one aboue the other or why themselues and ech one of them is rather of the one sect then of the other seeing all professe ghospell and scriptures In this case I say they can yeeld him no other reason but this that ech man assureth himself that hee and his parte doe alleadge and vnderstand the scriptures better then the rest which depending onlie as you see vpon the priuate iudgment and persuasion of ech one in particular for other proofes hee caÌ„ bring none except the stand vpon assurance of his particular spirit which euerie one of the other sects will doe in like manner it bringeth no assurance at all being onlie founded vpon ech mans opinion choice and election which properlie is heresie for that hereticks as auncient Fathers doe define are nothing els but choosers who leauing the vniuersall rule of faith deliuered vnto them by tradition of the common Church do chuse vnto themselues seuerall paths and opinions to follow 25. Wheras then no ground at all can bee yeelded by anie reason witt or learning of man why wee should bee rather of one new profession then another after wee haue left the old receiued throughout Christendome and that in the old wee stand not ech-man vpon his particular iudgment to beleiue this or that but vpon the generall testimonie tradition voice vse and authoritie of the vniuersall Christian Church called Catholicke as S. Augustine and others say not onlie by her freinds and followers but also by her enemies this being so I saie wee haue great cause to looke before wee leape as the prouerb is and to consider well where wee shall land or how we shall come to shore before wee leaue the shipp wherin wee are or doe aduenture into M. Attorneys new Current or anie other that hath no staie but maie carry vs further with the streame then wee can staie our selues afterward when wee would And thus much of this consideration 26. A third is which also shall bee the last in this place that terrifieth vs no lesse then anie of the former two and this is
the name and dreadfull voice of heresie sect or schisme so common now in these our daies so ordinarie in everie mans mouth as ech one of different opinioÌ„s esteemeth the other for Hereticke Sectarie or Schismatike which notwithstanding if wee consider the course and sacred sense of holie scripture especiallie for the new testament as also the iudgment feeling and meaning of all auncient Fathers and of the whole primitiue Christian Church in their daies wee shall find to bee the most greiuous accusation most odious daungerous and damnable imputation to be accoumpted an hereticke or sectary that can possibly be imagined or laid vpon any Christian in this life yea that all other crimes laid togeather which by mans malice or diabolicall induction can bee committed are not equall to this onlie crime of heresie for so doe all learned Catholicke Deuines hold and determine in their generall positions of this matter as may bee seen in one for all in the Summe of S. Thomas where setting downe first that infidelitie against God which is the highest crime of all other hath three kinds or members vnder it Paganisme Iudaisme and Heresie the said Doctor making the question which of these three is the greatest synne determineth vpon verie substantiall grounds and reasons that albeit in some respects to wit in regard of the greater multitude of Christian articles which Pagans and Iewes doe denie more them hereticks doe yet in malice which maketh the principall point of sinne and draweth on more grieuous damnation heresie is a greater infidelitie then is either Paganisme or Iudaisme and consequenly more damnable which I leaue heere to proue and confirme out of the conformitie of holie scriptures as that of S. Paul to Titus that an hereticall man is subuerted damned by his owne iudgment and other such places It is sufficient for setling our dread and feare in this behalfe that the whole consent of Schoole-Doctors vpon this alleadged article of S. Thomas doe agree that it is more daungerous and damnable to fall into heresie then to bee a Iew or Pagan 27. With which seueritie of Censure doe concurre also fullie the auncient Fathers of the Primitiue Christian Church whose sentences were oâ—erlonge to cite in this place but you may see a shorte view thereof gathered togeather vpon another occasion in a certaine booke lately set forth where the consenting woords of the most principall said auncient Doctors are laid togeather affirming that who soeuer by schisme or heresie is cut of froÌ„ the faith coÌ„mmunioÌ„ of the generall knowne Catholicke Church is most certainly to bee damned and cannot bee saued though hee should otherwise liue neuer so well praie neuer so much giue neuer so great almes haue neuer so god inteÌ„tioÌ„ other wise yea though hee should offer his life shed his bloud suffer neuer so manie torments for Christ his name loue and religion 28. This then being so and adioyning yet further to this consideration another generall position of our said learned Deuines which is as the foresaid renowned Doctor S. Thomas setteth it downe that whosoeuer in anie one least article of Catholicke religioÌ„ doth run into heresie or beleiueth not the said article as hee should doe but obstinately rather impugneth the same he leeseth his whole faith not onlie in that point which hee discrediteth but in all other points also which hee beleiued before and persuadeth himself to beleiue still this I saie being so which the said learned Schole-Doctor proueth by euident arguments demonstratiue groundes to bee true M. Attorney may imagine what stay and repugnance wee may haue out of the feare of our consciences in this behalfe easilie to make new choice or changes of religion in these daies For as if a learned experieÌ„ced Phisition should come shew out of auncieÌ„t reading that there were a Kind of most deadly dreadfull sorte of plague or Epidemia to bee feared and fled aboue all the rest when it cometh for that no hope of life or escape can be giuen from it that withall hee should affirme that now the said plague begaÌ„ to be coÌ„mon in such and such places yea so coÌ„mon as many men did contemne it and make it but a iest though all perished with it that fel into it as in this case I saie wise-meÌ„ would looke about them hearing that so pestilent perilous infectioÌ„ were on foote in their daies so much more in this other infection of the soule leading most certainly to euerlasting death daÌ„nation as al the most learned spirituall Phisitions of Christs holy Church haue euer taught vs haue we reason to bee carefull timerous vigilant what we doe what change we make whither we goe froÌ„ whence we departe the saying of S Athanasius being so dreadfull in his Creed that whosoeuer doth not beleiue and hold the Catholicke faith wholie and entirely absque dubio in aeternum peribit shal without all doubt perish euerlastinglie 29. And S. Augustine after him hauing set downe vnto his freind Quod-vult-Deus a catalogue of the most cheife and knowne heresies and erroneous opinions noted against hereticks from the Apostles time to his daies wherof diuers are expressly raised againe by new gospellers in these our times as there you may see in that hee writeth of Aerius Aetius Iouinian Vigilantius and others hee commeth lastly to affirme and conclude in the end of that booke that as it is damnable to hold anie one of those heresies there by him set downe so was it not sufficient to saluation to bee free only from those for that there might bee other opinions discrepant also from the Catholicke beleife lurking in corners which hee had not heard of and moreouer there might other new spring vp from time to time Qâ—â—rum aliquaÌ„ saith hee quisquis tenuerit Christianus Catholicus esse non potest Of which whosoeuer shall hold any one and let vs marke anie one he cannot be a Christian Catholicke and consequentlie cannot be saued in S. Augustines iudgment 30. And for so much as now in all this controuersie between M. Attorney and vs wee haue shewed his opinions and assertions to bee so different from those of all our English Christian Commonwealth from the beginning vnto our times which wee on the other side haue shewed to be trulie Catholicke and common to the whole Christian world besides all men of indifferencie wil coÌ„sider what reasoÌ„ we haue in making such stay as we doe from passing lightlie to his Current how little reason he hath or had to charge vs so deeplie and iniuriouslie that our stay was vpon so euill and odious causes as before he charged vs. And thus much of this second expostulation THE THIRD EXPOSTVLATION In the name of all moderate and peace-louing subiects whatsoeuer §. III. 31. My third complaint or expostulation with M. Attorney is yet more generall as concerning not onlie all sortes of Catholickes whatsoeuer but other
Church and Church-men § 2. pag. 165. The first Instance of M. Attorney taken out of the raigne of K. William the Conquerour refuted § 3. pag. 169. Of King William Rufus and Henry the first that were the Conquerours sonnes and of K. Stephen his nephew And how they agreed with the said Conquerour in our Question of Spiritual Iurisdiction acknowledged by them to be in others and not in themselues Chap. VIII pag. 176. Of King Henry the first who was the third King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 180. Of the raigne of King Stephen the fourth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 189. Of the Raigne of K. Henry the second great Grand-child to the Conquerour the fifth King after the Conquest with his two sonnes K. Richard and K. Iohn and their comformityes in this Controuersy Chap. IX pag. 196. Of the Raigne of K. Richard the first the sixt King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 208. Of the Raigne of K. Iohn who was the seauenth King after the Conquest § 3. pag. 222. Of King Henry the third that was the eight King after the Conquest and the first that left Statutes wrytten And what M. Attorney alleadgeth out of him for his purpose Chap. X. pag. 232. Two Instances alleadged out of the raigne of K. Henry the third by M. Attorney and of what weight they be § 1. pag. 245. Of the liues and raignes of K. Edward the first and second Father and Sonne And what Arguments M. Attorney draweth from them towards the prouing of his purpose Chap. XI pag. 256. Of K. Edward the first who was the nynth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 257. Of King Edward the second which was the tenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 278. Of King Edward the third and K. Richard the second his nephew and successour And vvhat Instances or Arguments M. Attorney dravveth from their tvvo raignes vvhich continued betvveene them for seauenty yeares Chap. XII pag. 285. M. Attorneyes obiections out of the raigne of K. Edward the third aforesaid § 1. pag. 292. Of the raigne of K. Richard the second the tvveluth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 308. Of the three King Henryes of the house of Lancaster the fourth fifth and sixth vvho raigned for the space of threescore yeares And vvhat is obserued out of their raignes concerning our Controuersy vvith M. Attorney Chap. XIII pag. 312. Instances alleadged by M. Attorney out of the raigne of K. Henry the fourth vvho vvas the thirteenth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 315. Out of the raigne of K. Henry the fifth that vvas the fourteenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 322. Out of the Raigne of K. Henry the sixt the fifteenth King after the Conquest § â— pag. 326. Of the Raigne of fâ—ure ensuing Kinges to vvit Edward the fourth Edward the fifth Richard the third and Henry the seauenth And hovv confoâ—me they vvere vnto their Ancestors in this point of Controuersy vve haue in hand Chap. XIIII pag. 328. Iâ—stâ—nces out of the Raigne of K. Edward the fourth the sixteenth King after the Conquest § 1. pag. 331. Out of the Râ—igne of K. Henry the seauenth vvho vvas the nynteenth King after the Conquest § 2. pag. 337. Of the Raigne of K. Henry the eight and of his three Children King Edward Queâ—ne Mary and Queene Elizabeth And hovv the first innouatiâ—n thout Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction vvas made and continued in their daies Châ—p XV. pag. 341. The ansvvere to certayne Instances of M. Attorney out of the Raigne of K. Henry the eight § 2. pag. 351. Of King Edward the six the one and tvventith King after the Conquest § 3. pag. 357. Of the Raigne of Queene Mary the tvvo and tvventith Princesse after the Conquest § 4. pag. 359. Of the Raigne of Queene Elizabeth vvho vvas the three and tvventith Princesse after the Conquest and last of K. Henryes race § 5. pag. 361. Certaine Expostulations vvith M. Attorney about euill preceeding iniuryes offered to diuers sortes of men in this his booke of Reportes especially to â—ards the end therof Togeather with the Conclusion of the whole worke Chap. XVI pag. 368. The first expostulation in the behalfe of Recusant-Catholickes of England grieuâ—â—sly iniured by M. Attorney § 1. pag. 369. The second Expostulation in the behalfe of all English Catholickes in generall § 2. pag. 376. The third Expostulation in the name of all moderate and peace-louing subiects whatsoâ—uer § 3. pag. 384. An Index or Table of the particular matters conteyned in the vvhole worke THE PREFACE TO THE READER Concerning the weight and importance of this our Controuersie wherby may be resolued whatsoeuer is in question between men of different Religions at this day in England ALBEIT the moment and vtility of that we haue in hand discreet Reader will best be seene by perusall of the Treatise it self and by thy iudicious consideration therof yet for thy better encouragement to this labour and to stirr thee vp to more attention herin I haue thought good to touch some points in generall at this first entrance remitting the larger and more particular declaration therof vnto that which is to ensue throughout the whole discussion of the Controuersie 2. First then to pretermit the whole view of our English Christian antiquities which heer by fit and necessarie occasion is searched laid open togeather with the liues and laws gouerment and Religion of all our Christian Kings both before and after the Conquest This one point seemeth to me to be of most moment for the present that wheras vnder the raigne of Queen Elizabeth about whome principallie is our question three sortes of Religion did stand vp striue togeather and doe vnto this day the Protestant the Puritane â—nd the Catholicke their whole contention seemeth to mee to ly within the limits of this Controuersie moued by M. Attorney about Q. Elizabeths spirituall iurisdiction and that out of the same the whole may easily be determined as presentlie you shall see 3. For wheras there are two principall partes of any Religion whatsoeuer the one doctrine or precepts for instruction the other power and authoritie for direction and gouerment albeit the first be the ground and foundation wheron to buyld and worke yet is the second that which giueth life and motion to the former and must try and iudge the same for that in euery religion or societie of men professing one and the self same faith those that are the cheife meÌ„bers therof presumed to â—aue principal power and spiritual iurisdiction therin are they that must authorize discerne and iustifie the doctrine therof to their followers For as S. Augustine said in â—is daies to the Manichies that pressed him to beleeue certaine thinges out of the scripture in their sense That he vvould not beleeue the ghospell it self to be the ghospel except the authority of the Chuch did moue him thervnto that is to say the cheife gouernours of the
tyme but the quite contrary CHAP. VI. THov hast seene and considered I doubt not gentle and iudicious Reader how M. Attorney in the former Chapter hath byn grauelled in prouing his affirmatiue proposition that our Kings before the Conquest tooke supreme Ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction vpon them and acknowledged it not in the Pope or Sea of Rome For proofe wherof he brought forth two such poore and petite instances as they being besides their weaknes impertinent and vntrue and not subsisting in their owne grounds they were no more for perfourmance of his promise of cleere and demonstratiue proofes then if a man being bound to pay ten thousand pounds in pure and current gold should bring forth two mites of brasse for discharge of his band And surely if M. Attorney should haue failed soe some yeares gone before he was so wealthie as that taking vpon him with so great an ostentation to proue an affirmatiue assertion of so mayne importance and consequence as this is he should haue performed no more then he hath here done he would neuer haue attained by law to the preferment he hath But now◠perhaps he persuadeth himself that by his only credit already gotten he may say what he will and proue as little as he list because by only saying he shall be beleeued 2. But on the contrary side we require proofes offer proofes gentle Reader for that the matter is of singular great weight euen for thy soule we rest not in ostentation of wordes only but in probation of deedes And though we might remaine sufficiently with the victorie for that our aduersarie resteth with so apparent a foyle in the proofe of his forsayd affirmatiue yet that you may see and behold as in a glasse the difference of our cause and confidence therin I haue thought conuenient out of the great aboundance and variety of proofes that our truth hath in this controuersie as well as in all others betwene vs and Protestants to take vpon me to proue the negatiue against M. Attorney which of it self is euer more hard as you know than to proue an affirmatiue except euidence of truth doe facilitate the matter as in our case and to proue and make euident by sundry sortes of cleere and perspicuous demonstrations nyne or ten at the least that during the tyme before the Conquest no one of all our Christian English Kings exceeding the number of an hundred as before hath been said did take vpon them either to be heads of the Church or to be supreme gouernours in Ecclesiasticall causes or to haue any spirituall Iurisdiction al deriued from the right of their Crownes or denyed this to be in the Pope Bishops only or did make any Ecclesiastical lawes concerning spirituall matters and consequently that this Treatise of M. Attorney Of the Kings Ecclesiasticall law doth apperteine no more vnto them in realitie of truth than to the man in the Moone to gouerne the heauens For that they neuer so much a◠dreamed of any such thing nor of any one of the forsaid clauses of spirituall power Iurisdiction to belong vnto them which heere shall brefely be proued with such variety of demonstrations taken out of their owne words dedes decrees actions as I doubt not but will make more then morall euidence The first Demonstration 3. The first Demonstration may be taken from the consideration of all the auncient lawes made by Christian Kings in our Countrey before the Conquest euery one in his seuerall State and Dominion according to the tymes and places they raigned in and gouerned their Commonwealthes both Britanes Saxons and Danes and among the Saxons againe their Kings and Princes in euery of their seuerall Kingdoms about which point Malmesbury writeth thus of the noble King Inas Porrò quantus in Dei rebus fuerit indicio sunt leges ad corrigendos mores in populo latae in quibus viuum ad hoc tempus puritatis suae resultat speculum How great a King Inas was in Gods affaires the lawes which he made to correct the manners of his people doe sufficiently declare in which vntill this day there is seen as in a liuely glasse the said Kings purity of mynde And the like lawes no doubt other Kings also made in their Dominions all which remained afterwards to their posterity vnder the names of Mulmutian lawes For the lawes of the Britans as also the lawes of the Mercians called in their tongue Mercen laga and of the West-Saxons called VVest-saxen laga and of the Danes named Dan laga stood in force vntill England came to be a Monarchie when the first authour of the said Monarchie King Egbert began first to drawe them into one body of conformity But after him againe K. Edgar surnamed the peaceable and wise King confirmed the same and sett them forth but by the warrs and confusion of the Danes which after his death ensued they were for the most part put out of vse againe vntill K. Edward the confessor recalled them encreased and made them perfect and by the counsaile of his Peeres and Realme did frame a new ordination of the same lawes which remained afterwards vnder the name of K. Edward his lawes and were so much approued and loued by the people as Iohn Fox also out of Mathew Paris doth affirme that the common people of England would not doe obedience to VVilliam Conquerour but that first he did sweare to keepe these lawes which oath notwithstāding saith he the Conquerour did afterward breake and in most points brought in his owne lawes So Fox which if it be true yet is it to be vnderstood principally of his lawes appertayninge vnto secular men for that in the rest which concerned the Church her priuiledges he followed absolutely the lawes of K. Edward as in the next Chapter shall appeare where we shall sett downe the said Conquerour his lawes in this behalfe which are as fauourable and respectiue vnto Ecclesiasticall power and persons as of any one King eyther before or after him 4. Wherevpon it followeth that M. Attorney who so often iterateth this worde of auncient and most auncient common-lawes of England which as he saith but cannot proue did authorize Q. Elizabeth her spirituall Iurisdiction ouer the Church speaketh but in the ayre and at randome beating vs still with the empty sound of these words without substance For in reall dealing he should haue alleadged some one law at least to that purpuse out of all these before the Conquest if he had meant to be as good as his word 5. But this he cannot doe as already you haue seen by his two poore instances and we doe shew on the contrary side that all these and other lawes of these dayes were for vs in the fauour of Catholike Religion and particularly for the liberties franquizes priuiledges exemptions and immunities of the Church and Clergie according to the Canons and Decrees of the Popes Ecclesiasticall law
which is the very decision of our Question For that by these phrases clauses is signified as in the Canon-law and particulerly throughout the sixt booke of Decretals may be sene is properly meant that the Church and Clergie is free from all iurisdiction of temporall Princes except only in Ciuill matters and that their goods and persons are exempted from Princes secular Courtes that they are immediatly vnder their Prelates and they againe vnder the Sea Apostolike vnto which may lawfully be made appeales when iust occasion is offered that no lay iudge may sitt in iudgement vpon them or giue sentence ouer them or lay hand vpon their persons or goods but referre them to their owne Ecclesiastical Emperours other such points as may be seen in the Canon-law in the places before cited And you haue heard before in the second Chapter of this booke how conforme all these things are to Gods law and how willingly they were embraced approued and allowed by the first Christian Emperour Constantine and his Successours and by all Christian Catholike Princes since that tyme throughout the world but especially and aboue others in comparison by our English Kings before the Conquest and after also as in their dew places shal be shewed 6. And so when the forenamed Kings Edgar Edward in their very first law doe sett downe and determine as Fox also confesseth that the Kings office is to keepe cherishe mainteyne and gouerne the Church within his Kingdome which worde gouerne I haue shewed before to be wrongfully put in out of his due place and to apperteyne only to the gouernement of the Common-wealth with all integrity liberty according to the constitution of all their Auncestors and predecessours and to defend the same against all enemyes c. they doe in all this but approue and second the Popes Canon-lawes decrees therof for the preheminence of the Clergie and therby they doe directly ouerthrowe M. Attorneys proposition so doe all the Kings in like manner after the Conquest who following this example doe euer in the beginning of their lawes renew and confirme this lawe of King Edward for the libertyes and priuiledges of the Church and Church men As first the Conquerour himself as afterwarde in the next Chapter more largely shall appeare when we come to speake of him in particular whose lawes are sett downe by Houaden and others and are as effectuall for the Church as could be deuised after him to omitt K. Iohn and others Henry the third who was the chief founder of our present later Common-lawes and author of the Great Charter His first law likewise is for the foresaid liberties of holy Church in these wordes VVe haue graunted to God and by this our present Charter haue confirmed for vs and our heyres for euermore that the Church of England shal be free and haue all her rights wholie and her liberties inuiolated c. 7. This Charter of K. Henry did Edward the first his sonne publishe and confirme after him as appeareth by his owne preface prefixed before the said Magna charta And Edward the second that ensued after him not only ratifyed the same but added other Statutes also called Articuli Cleri in fauour of the same Clergie And in K. Edward the third his tyme I finde the same Charter confirmed and ratifyed by diuers and seuerall Statutes as namely in the first second fourth fifth and fourtenth yeare of his raigne and the like in the first sixt seuenth eight nynth yeare of K. Richard the second and in the first second fourth seauenth nynth and thirtenth yeare of K. Henry the 4. and in the third and fourth of K. Henry the 5. and in the sixt of K. Henry the sixt c. 8. And herby now though we goe no lower may the indifferent Reader see how vayne M. Attorneys vaunt was and is that he would proue and demonstrate by the auncient lawes of our Realme that Q. Elizabeth had supreme iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall by vertue of her Crowne And yet hitherto hath he alleadged no one lawe at all within the compasse of nyne hundred yeares togeather but only certaine impertinent scraps and raggs nothing making to the purpose nor worthy the gathering vp as after when we come to examine them will appeare And we on the contrary syde haue so many so auncient and so authenticall lawes as you haue heard and afterwardes shall be more particulerly declared for proofe of the opposite proposition iâ— his that all spirituall iurisdiction was only in Ecclesiasticall persons both bâ—sore and after the Conquest vntill K. Henry the 8. his dayes And thus much of this first demonstration concerning lawes The second Demonstration 9. The second demonstration is deduced from an other consideration not inferiour to the former which is that when â— Ethelbert of Kent for example was sirst of all other Kings conuerted to Christian faith by S. Augustine the Monke sent from Pope Gregorie the first to that effect vpon the yeare of Christ 600. and that by this occasion a new Ecclesiasticall Common-wealth was to be instituted and erected within his dominion concerning matters depending of Religion farre different from that which passed in his Realme before when he was a Pagan as namely to omitt matters of doctrine and meere spirituall gouernment concerning marriages legitimation of children burying paying of tythes iurisdiction of Bishops and priests the like that might seeme in some sorte to be mixt and concerne also the Common-wealth to whome was the recourse made sor direction counsaile and ordinance in these affaires to K. Ethelbert think you or to S. Gregorie the Pope no man will say I think to K. Ethelbert for that he was yet but a nouice in Christian religion though as capable of spirituall iurisdiction by his Crowne as either Q. Elizabeth being a woman or K. Edward the sixt a child of nyne yeares old when he was proclaimed Head of the Church of England as well in spirituall as temporall affaires 10. But in our case vnder K. Ethelbert we reade both in S. Bede and S. Gregory himself that in all Ecclesiasticall matters recourse was made to the said S. Gregory as hauing supreme authority in these affayres and therfore the said King was no sooner conuerted S. Augustine made Archbishop but the said Archbishop according to his office sent two messengers to Rome Laurentius a priest and Petrus a Monke to aske counsaile and direction in diuers cases as namely about the distribution of oblations at the aultar diuersitye of customes obserued in diuers contreys in saying Masse about punishing of sacriledge in such as steale from Churches about degrees of kinred or propinquity to be obserued in marriages about ordination of Bishops how he should proceed with the Bishops of France and Britany about baptizing women with child and churching â—hem after their child-birth and the like 11. To all which questions S. Gregory answereth