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A42574 The primitive fathers no papists in answer to the Vindication of the Nubes testium : to which is added an historical discourse concerning invocation of saints, in answer to the challenge of F. Sabran the Jesuit, wherein is shewn that invocation of saints was so far from being the practice, that it was expresly [sic] against the doctrine of the primitive fathers. Gee, Edward, 1657-1730. 1688 (1688) Wing G459; ESTC R18594 102,715 146

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the_o several_a first_o century_n as_o the_o fair_a way_n of_o understand_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o those_o age_n and_o i_o believe_v i_o have_v make_v it_o full_o and_o undeniable_o evident_a that_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v not_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a father_n as_o we_o be_v able_a to_o show_v from_o the_o ancient_a account_n of_o the_o church_n service_n that_o invocation_n of_o saint_n be_v not_o their_o practice_n so_o we_o be_v as_o able_a to_o show_v that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o father_n of_o those_o first_o five_o century_n be_v direct_o against_o and_o inconsistent_a with_o any_o such_o invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o be_v now_o practise_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o this_o i_o shall_v the_o more_o large_o insist_v upon_o because_o this_o be_v a_o argument_n which_o they_o