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A64635 Certain discourses, viz. of Babylon (Rev. 18. 4.) being the present See of Rome (with a sermon of Bishop Bedels upon the same words) of laying on of hands (Heb. 6. 2.) to be an ordained ministry, of the old form of words in ordination, of a set form of prayer : each being the judgment of the late Arch-bishop of Armagh, and Primate of Ireland / published and enlarged by Nicholas Bernard ... : unto which is added a character of Bishop Bedel, and an answer to Mr. Pierces fifth letter concerning the late Primate. Ussher, James, 1581-1656.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642.; Bernard, Nicholas, d. 1661. 1659 (1659) Wing U161; ESTC R10033 109,687 392

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endure a short space To make this short space a thousand years or else to put in so many years of the Popes government over Rome before Antichrist come who shall forsooth revolt from his Obedience It seemes rather the dream of a waking man then to hold any likelyhood of Truth Howsoever it resteth even by Vi●gas consent notwithstanding his cunning combination of two states of Rome that under Paganisme and that under Antichrist with a thousand years between that Rome must have continued Christian for sundery Ages before her Desolation and for ought doth yet appear the present Monarchy which she claims to exercise over the Christian World is the Mystical Babylon out of which Gods People are called For the better clearing whereof let us consider the Description that is made of this Babylon by the Angels and our Saviour Christ himself more distinctly to see whether it doe agree to the present estate of Rome or no The Angel tells Iohn in the last Verse of the former Chapter The woman which thou sawest is the great City which reigneth over the Kings of the Earth and before Verse 5. upon her forehead is a name written Mysterie Babylon the great Touching this greatness I may spare my pains to speak much there is a learned Book of Iustus Lipsius which he intitles Admiranda marvells touching the greatness of Rome not long after in concurrence thereto there was another made by Thomas Stapleton our Countreyman Professour at Lovaine which he intitles Vere admiranda Marvels indeed touching the greatness of the Church of Rome wherein by comparison he indeavours to shew that for largeness of Extent strength and power over Princes themselves honour yielded unto it the greatness and magnificence of the Romane Church doth far surpass the Roman Empire These two books were both printed together and set forth at Rome against the year of Jubilee 1600. as if the Papacy laboured to carry in her forehead the name Great Babylon For the reigning over the Kings of the Earth by this great City which is another point of the Angels description It is true that heathen Rome had anciently in the borders and confines of the state sundry Kings that held their Kingdomes of her Such were the Herods Aretas and Agrippa mentioned in the New Testament but these were neither in number nor dignity nor in the absoluten●ss of their subjection to be compared with those that the now Rome reigneth over And no great marvel if the Roman Emperour armed with thirty or fourty Legions had many Kings at command saith Stapleton but that the Pope being altogether unarmed should give Lawes to the Kings of the Earth and either advance them to their Kingdomes or depose them who would not account worthy of great marvel true but the Angel shewes us the true reason the ten hornes which thou sawest are ten Kings which have received no Kingdome as yet but receive power as Kings at once with the beast c. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his Will and to agree and to give their Kingdome unto the beast until the Word of God shall be fulfilled And consider I pray you here the manner how they have given their Kingdomes to the beast Vpon the Election of any new Pope they send a solemne Embassage to profess their Obedienee to him And one of those which is extant in Print as great a Monarch as any the Christian World hath Offers himself and all his Kingdomes his Seas Firm lands Islands Armes Forces Treasures Ships Armies whatsoever he is whatsoever he hath whatsoever he is able to doe and falling down at the Popes feet as a most obsequious Sonne he acknowledgeth and confesseth him to be the true Vicar of Christ our Saviour on Earth the successour of Peter the Apostle in that See the head of the Vniversal Church the Provost Parent and Pastor of all Christians praying him and humbly beseeching him that he would receive all whatsoever be hath offered to the profit defence of the Church into his P●otection and Patronage And these words c. are said with a gesture corespondent the Embassador falling down upon his knees let Lip●ius if he can with all his reading in Story shew us such an Example of any King subject to old Pagan Rome It is true that Nero accounted it for his highest Glory to have set the Crown upon Tiridates the King of the Armenians head in the City of Rome with great state and pomp But let us see saith Stapleton If the Majesty of the Church of Rome hath not had an equal part of this glory yea and a greater and then he reckons how Pope Leo the third gave the Empire to Charles the great and how other Popes conferred to others a great many other Kingdomes One thing he forgets that neither Nero nor any other Emperour of old Rome ever Crowned any with his feet as Celestine the third did Henry the sixth nor caused him to hold their stirrops or kiss their feet much less set their feet upon their neckes as Pope Adrian the fourth and Alexander the third did to the Emperor Frederick And that we may not spend more time in proving that the present Papal Rome reigneth over the Kings of the Earth the Merchants of Babylon are now resolved That all the Kingdomes of the Earth are the Popes insomuch that the best Title that any Prince can have to his Crown is Dei Apostolicae sedis gratia by the grace of God and Apostolick See And Cardinal Bellarmine recognizing his works retracts that which might seem to Cross this title about the Popes dividing the new world to the Portugals and Spaniards And tempers that which he had said that Christ himselfe whose Vicar the Pope is had no temporal Kingdome and lastly asserts more roundly contrary to his former opinion viz. That the Church may deprive infidels of their Dominion which they have over the Faithfull yea albeit they do not endeavour to turn away the Fai●hful from the Faith Howsoever she doth not alwayes so because she wanteth strength or doth not judge it expedient but questionlesse if those same Princes do goe about to turn away their people from the faith they may and ought to be deprived of their Dominions I shall not need to call to rememberance here what Faith or infidelity is at this day in the Roman Language when Paul the Fift teacheth the Catholickes that they cannot take the Oath of Fidelity salva fide Catholica with safety of the Catholick Faith which shewes that if the Pope may deprive infidels of their Dominions how much more such as are Christians being thereby more under the verge of his Authority concerning the Popes ruling over the Kings of the Earth this may suffice The Angel which in the begining of this Chapter proclaimeth the fall of Babylon saith that all Nations have drunke of the wine of the wrath of her Fornication and the Kings of the earth have committed
do I lift up my soul To which we may adde the lifting up of the eyes to heaven according to the example of our Saviour John 17. cap. 11. 41. Mat. 14. 19. Other unseemly postures of the hands eyes face and the like hath no example in Scripture and even mens hiding or covering of the face at publick prayer seems to be against the order of the Apostle and the then custome of the Churches 1 Cor. 11. 7. for by the head there is not meant the hairy scalp but the face both by several circumstances in it and the acceptation of the word elsewhere 2 Sam. 15. 30. David wept as he went and had hishead covered and all the people that were with him covered every man his head weeping as they went c. here by the head must be understood the face after the manner of mourners as on the contrary that of our Saviour to his Disciples in token of joy lift up your heads must be meant accordingly And the face being the seat of shame the head must be so taken Ier. 14. 3 4. they were ashamed and confounded they covered their heads c. unto which some passages out of Tertullian might be given by way of confirmation Now for the better reception of this latter part of the Primates judgement concerning our outward reverence in the publick worship of God whether at hearing of the Word or Prayer so much neglected in these times I shall here adde what I find in the foresaid Mr. Arthur Hildersham in his Lectures upon Iohn 4. In the 26. Lecture he speakes much for the outward reverence of Gods publick worship in the Church viz. That we should neither come into that place nor go out of it as ye would in or out of a danceing-schoole But in our very comeing in and going out and whole outward carriage we should give some signification of the reverence that we bear to this place and that we do indeed account it the house of God Exhorts men to come to the beginning of the then publick worship or before it begins and tarry till all be done to be present at the Administration of Baptisme and at the blessing pronounced by Gods Ministers Affirmes that there was nothing then done in Gods publick worship among us but it was done by the Institution and Ordinance and Commandement of the Lord the particulars of which he mentions In his 27. Lecture he exhorts to a reverend gesture in prayer kneeling as the fittest or standing not sitting And commending the reading of the Scriptures in publick he saith At the hearing of the word read some further gesture and outward signification of reverence is to be used then is required at the hearing of the Sermon which he confirmes by proofes out of Scripture and reasons too large to be related here But he thus concludes viz. So you see the custome of our Churches in sitting bare while the Word is read is grounded upon good reason and warrant from the word of God and such as it well becomes every one of Gods people to conform themselves unto Lect. 29. he complains of that irreverence thus Some will not vouchsafe to be bare at the reading of the Word some will be bare at the Psalmes not at the Chapters and if they could justly pretend infirmity for it they were to be excused but they will not be bare many of them so long as the Text is in reading yea every youth and boy in our Congregations are wont to be covered while the Word is read But the chief abuse is the neglect of kneeling in prayer many that will kneel at their own private prayers which they make at their coming into the Church can never be seen to kneel at the common and publick prayers Many that will kneel at the Lords prayer will kneel at no other wherein though the Lords prayer be in sundry respects more excellent then any other yet there is as much reason we should kneel at any other prayer as at it for the reason of our kneeling is not the excellency of the words used in prayer but the reverence and duty we owe to the person we pray unto c. This saith that worthy and judicious Writer Mr. Hildersham I can but wonder upon what pretence such a man could be silenced as he wrot himselfe to the Pri●ate Anno 1630. I conclude only with an exhortation to decency and a reverent comelinesse in our solemne meetings that devotion and prudence may kisse each other that while the soule is lifted up in prayer the body may be humbled and the whole man presented to God as an acceptable sacrifice that unity and uniformity in doctrine and worship may be found among us and that we may all be of one heart and one mind Consider what hath been said and the Lord give us understanding and moderation in all things A CHARACTER of Bishop Bedell late Bishop of Kilmore in Ireland UPon the occasion of publishing this Sermon of his on Revel 18. 4. I have thought fit to give this exemplary character of him Somewhat of his life is already extant within that of Sir Henry Wotton's the enlargement of which I leave to the prudence of others onely thus much in brief He was Fellow of Emmanuel Colledge in Cambridge where he was one of the eight that commenced Batchellours of Divinity of that house in one yeare whereof Bishop Hall and Doctor Ward were two between whom and him there was a continuall intercourse of Letters to their last From that Colledge and Vniversity he had that Character given him of learning and prudence that he was chosen to go with the Embassadour Sir Henry Wotton unto Venice What the fruits of his some yeares being there produced upon Padre Paulo and other learned men sufficiently appears by the testimony given of him in a letter of the Embassador's hereunto annexed The Interdict of Venice wrot by the foresaid Authour he translated out of Italian into Latin for whose use he also translated the book of Common Prayer into Italian and made an English Grammar which I have seen writ with his own hand After his return from Venice were wrot those learned Letters of his to Mr. Wadesworth who at the same time going with the Embassadour into Spain had been withdrawn to the See of Rome whose temper and meeknesse of stile to an Apostate I wish were so far exemplary with some Writers among our selves as to abate that heat and bitternesse which hath broke forth in matters of lesse consequence At his Benefice of Horningesh-earth near St. Edm. Bury in Suffolk he continued long in great esteem sometimes chosen by the Diocesse to be a member of the Convocation Upon the death of Sir William Temple Provost of the Colledge in Dublin the late Primate wrot earnestly to him to accept of it being unanimously chosen by the Fellowes During his abode there he performed the duty of the Catechist preached a Lecture Sermon once a week in
greatnesse after the doctrine and the example of our Saviour should chiefly stand in humbling themselves And that the Bishop of Rome did by intolerable ambition challenge not only to be the head of all the Church dispersed throughout the world but also to be Lord of all kingdoms of the world as is expressely set forth in the book of his own Canon-Lawes He became at once the spoyler and destroyer both of the Church which is the kingdom of our Saviour Christ and of the Christian Empire and all Christian kingdomes as an universal Tyrant over all The particulars of whose actions to that end are there related viz. The Bishop of Rome stirring up subjects to rebell against their Soveraigne Lords even the Son against the Father pronouncing such Schismaticks and persecuting them who resused to acknowledge his above-said challenge of supreme authority over them discharging them from their oath of fidelity made not only to the Emperour but to other Kings and Princes throughout Christendome The most cruell and bloody wars raised amongst Christian Princes of all kingdoms the horrible murder of infinite thousands of Christian men being slain by Christians the losse of so many great Cities Countries Dominions and Kingdomes sometimes possessed by Christians in Asia Affrick and Europe The miserable fall of the Empire and Church of Greece sometime the most flourishing part of Christendom into the hands of the Turks The lamentable diminishing decay and ruine of Christian Religion and all by the practice and procurement of the Bishop of Rome chiefly which is in the Histories and Chronicles written by the Bishop of Rome's own favourites and friends to be seen claiming also to have divers Princes and Kings to their vassals liege men and subjects c. behaving themselves more like Kings and Emperours in all things then remained like Priests Bishops and Ecclesiastical or as they would be called spiritual persons in any one thing at all c. and so concludes with an exhortation of all good subjects knowing those the speciall instruments of the Devill to the stirring up of all Rebellion to avoid and flee them Is not this a full description of the pride of that man of sinne 2 Thess. 2. in exalting himselfe above all Kings and Princes and that son of perdition being understood actively who was the cause of the perdition or losse of so many thousands of Christian mens lives And in the sixth part of the same Sermon you have a more particular relation of the Bishop of Rome's blood-shed accoding to the description of that Harlot Revel 17. 6. in these words viz. And as these ambitio●s usurpers the Bishops of Rome have overflowed all Italy and Germany with streams of Christian blood shed by the rebellims of ignorant subjects against their naturall Lords and Emperours whom they have stirred thereunto by false pretences so is there no Countrey in Christendome which by the like means of false pretences hath not been over-sprinkled with the blood of subjects by rebellion against their naturall Soveraigns stirred up by the same Bishops of Rome c. And in conclusion as the Sermon often entitles the Bishops of Rome unsatiable wolfes and their Adherents Romish greedy wolfes so doth it in speciall call the See of Rome the Babylonicall beast in these words viz. The Bishop of Rome understanding the bruit blindnesse ignorance and superstition of the English in King Johns time and how much they were inclined to worship the Babilonical beast of Rome and to fear all his threatnings and causelesse curses he abused them thus c. I have transcribed these the more largely out of the Book of Homilies both that such as have rejected them as Popish may see their errour and those that now so much favour the See of Rome that they call such language railing may have their mouthes stopped being it is from the mouth of the Church of England in her Homilies which is a good warrant for her sons to say after her Let the Reader judge whether these passages do not confirme rather then contradict or be contrary as Doctor Heylene saith to the Articles of Ireland and the Primates judgement of the See of Rome I shall only alledge one passage more and that is in the conclusion of the second part of the Sermon for Whit-sunday viz. Wicked and nought were the Popes and Prelates of Rome for the most part as doth well appear by the story of their lives and therefore worthily accounted among the number of false Prophets and false Christs which deceived the world a long while the Lord defend us from their Tyranny and pride that they may never enter into this Vineyard again but that they may be utterly confounded and put to flight in all parts of the world And he of his great mercy so work that the Gospel of his Son may be truly preached to the beating down of sin death the Pope the Devill and all the kingdome of Antichrist c. This latter passage is only produced by Doctor Heylene as an evidence that the Pope is not declared to be Antichrist either here or any where else in the book of Articles or Homilies which how the force of it can be extended so farre beyond its own sphere both not appeare For his principal argument that he finds here the Pope and Antichrist distinguished as much as the Devil and the Pope 'T is answered The destiuction here is not between the Pope and Antichrist but between him and his Antichristian kingdom for the words are not the Pope the Divell and Antichrist but and all the kingdome of Antichrist That Universality all comprehending both head and members And if we should allow a Duumvirate in the Pope and Devill for the government of that kingdom one as the visible head the other as the invisible or the one him that reigneth the other by whom he receiveth power so to do Rev. 13. 4. both might be thus owned without infringing the title of either Howsoever 't is not the arguings from such niceties in the placing of words which the book of Homilies are not strict in as might be shewed in several instances but the observation of the scope and drist of the place the comparing it with others the concurrance of the judgement of severall eminent Bishops afore-cited who cannot be imagined to declare against the doctrine of it will carry the sense of it accordingly with the judicious and unbiassed Reader and so much for the book of Homilies Unto which I might also adde the opinion of some learned men liveing and dying within the outward communion of the Church of Rome To instance onely in Padrio Paulo who wrote the History of the Councill of Trent After whose stabbing by an Emissarie from Rome many of the Clergy of Venice brake out into that application calling that See Impura insana superba meretrix pestis ac lues mortalium and her ruine to be expected according to Rvelat 18. Some of the verses are printed at the end
Christ Church He was not long Provost but he was promoted to be Bishop of Kilmore where I being then the Dean it gave me the occasion to be more known to him In relation to the Liturgie of the Church of England he gave this direction viz. to observe whatsoever was enjoyned in the Rubrick without addition or diminution not to be led by custome but by rule And in speciall he ordered that the whole Doxology to the blessed Trinity Glory be to the Father c. should be alwayes read by the Minister alone without the respond of the people and the like for the Psalms Te Deum c. with the rest appointed to be read between and after the Lessons though the custome had prevailed otherwise in most Churches The Communion Table was placed by him not at the East end but within the body of the Chancell and for other Innovations elsewhere introduced he observed them not His judgement being that those were as well Non-conformists who added of their own as those who came short of what was enjoyned as he that addes an inch to the measure disownes it for a rule as well as he that cuts an inch off He was a careful observer of the Lords Day both in the publick and private at one of the clock in the after-noon he had then the Book of Common-Prayer read in the Irish tongue in the Church for the benefit of the Irish at which he was constantly present himself who in that little space had obtained the knowledge of the language And as the New Testament had been long before translated into Irish so had he caused the Old Testam to be accordingly was almost ready for the press And Whereas Doctor Heylene hath censured the late Primate very liberally for his approbation of the Articles of Ireland he must take Bishop Bedell into the number also who was so much for them that I was present when at the examination of an able Minister then to be ordained he did in the Church examin him in each or most of the Articles in a solemn meeting of the Clergy of that Diocesse for that end at least 2 full hours whereby our votes might be also given for his approbation At his Courts of Iurisdiction he frequently sate himself where he caused alwayes some of the Clergy if any were there to sit covered on each side of him with liberty to give their opinion in each case and at a sentence he asked their votes man by man In some degree reducing then his Episcopall to a Synodicall Government according to the Primates proposall by way of accommodation an 1641. It was his custome usually on the Lord's dayes to preach upon those select portions of Scripture commonly called the Epistles and Gospels of the day At the Visitations he usually preached himselfe The Procurations were bestowed in defraying the charges of the Ministers and the rest given to some pious uses After dinner and supper a Chapter was constantly read at his Table and some time spent by him in opening some difficulties in it The publick Catechisme he had branched out into 52 parts whereof he appointed one to be constantly explain'd in the Afternoons in each Church within his Diocess He was very indulgent to the Irish Natives in the preferring and encouraging of them for the Ministery and yet such was their Ingratitude i. e. the Popish party that in that horrid rebellion 1641. they exempted him not from their rapine but seized upon his cattle pillaged his house ransack't and spoyled his Library put him into a Castle standing in a Lough called Lough-outre about a mile and a halfe from his house where he was imprisoned that winter And at length being permitted to come out died in a poor house of one who was an Irish-man and a Protestant and continued faithfull to him by whose means an Hebrew manuscript Bible of his which he brought from Venice was preserved and is now in Emmanuel Colledge Library in Cambridge He was buried acccording to his own appointment in the Church-yard of the Cathedral of Kilmore where he had caused his wife and son some years before to be buried His judgement being against burials in Churches as an abuse introduced by pride superstition I conclude only with this if the Moderation of this Bishop had been observed elsewhere I believe Episcopacy might have been kept upon its wheeles A Letter of Sir Henry Wotton's to the late King in the behalf of Bishop Bedel when he was desired by the Archbishop of Armagh to accept of the Provostship of Dublin Colledge in Ireland which hath been lately published in the Life of Sir Henry Wotton May it please your most Gracious Majesty HAving been informed that certain persons have by the good wishes of the Arch-Bishop of Armagh been directed hither with a most humble Petition unto your Majesty that you will be pleased to make Mr. William Bedell now resident upon a small Benefice in Suffolk Governour of your Colledg at Dublin for the good of that society and my self being required to render unto your Majesty some testimony of the said William Bedell who was long my Chaplain at Venice in the time of my employment there I am bound in all conscience and truth so far as your Majesty will vouchsafe to accept my poore judgement to affirm of him that I think hardly a fitter man for that charge could have been propounded unto your Majesty in your whole Kingdom for singular erudition and piety Conformitie to the rites of the Church and Zeal to advance the Cause of God wherein his Travels abroad were not obscure in the time of the Excommunication of the Venetians For may it please your Majesty to know that this is the man whom Padro Paule took I may say into his very soule with whom he did communicate the inwardest thoughts of his heart from whom he professed to have received more knowledge in all D●vinity both Scholastical and positive then from any that he had ever practiced in his dayes of which all the passages were well known to the King your Father of most blessed memory And so with your Majestie 's good favour I will end this needlesse office for the generall fame of his Learning his Life and Christian temper and those religious labours which himself hath dedicated to your Majesty do better describe him then I am able Your Majestie 's most humble and faithfull Servant H. WOTTON A Postscript Mr. Thomas Pierce hath in an Appendage to a late book of his printed five Letters wrot unto me by him in each of which I cannot but much acknowledge his respects to me To the four first I gave little else but brief returnes of the like to him which consisting chiefly either in the asserting of the nearnesse of his judgement to the Primate's or the remotenesse of Mr. Barlee's I did not conceive it fitting for me to interpose and where there was a professed full agreement it was no good office in
the actuall grace of conversion and may also be understood of denying an actuall tuall call of all men which are out of the Pale of the Church or that the works of the creation and providence do lead men or enable them to come to Christ as some French Divines have lately taught For that inconsistency implyed by you from what I have affirmed of my Lord Primates judgement viz. That Massa corrupta was the object of predestination it will well consist with his judgment of universall redemption expressed in his letter And the decree of reprobation supposed to be ex intentione speciali doth not deny a salvability of all men but onely an effectuall grace to be given to work their conversion and may also consist with universall redemption and possibility of salvation because reprobation is onely negatio specialis gratiae non nudae sufficientis As for Goteschalchus the Primate relating the truth of the story and his opinion is not thereby obliged to every particular of them and if there were any mistakes of Mr. Barlee's from thence or that large Catechisme going under his name doth not concern me to take notice of For that which you mention of Mr. Vaughans relation in the life and death of Doctor Iackson of the care which the Primate took being as you say a Mourner at his funerall to have his writings very religiously preserved First I have viewed the place and find some mistake in the words which are onely thus viz. The Bishop of Armagh being at his funerall much desired his papers might be carefully preserved But secondly I do not believe the Primate meant or approved those works of Doctor Iacksons wherein he professeth himself to be for the Arminian way as he doth in the Epistle Dedicatory of those Bookes which he dedicated to the Earle of Pembrook and which were answered by Doctor Twisse Other works it may be that ●●arned man might have of other subjects which might be usefull to posterity which the Primate might have a care of but I do not believe they were any of that nature and the rather because they must be meant of such works which were not extant at his death and not of those which were already printed as you seem to apply it Besides it doth not appear the Primate then understood what subjects they were of And therefore that which you have immediately added of your own viz. That such inestimable 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 might not be wanting to posterity but might performe their work of bringing religion into its wits which the Reader might possibly mistake in apprehending them to have been the Primates words and your somewhat severe application to him from thence and what Mr. Barlee had said of Doctor Iackson seemes to want a foundation here For that which you write in your Postcript concerning my saying that the doctrine of St. Augustine was confirmed or inclined unto by the Primate in his works if you observe the whole discourse it is onely in relation to Pelagius and his disciples and limited to those points in debate concerning the Primates judgement whereof universall redemption and free will were mentioned not that by it I had obliged the Primate to be of Saint Augustines judgement in all points besides And for that particular of perseverance which you instance in it came not into my discourse in either of my Letters to Mr. Barlee what he or Mr. Baxter have produced of the Primates apprehension what was Saint Augustines judgement in that point cannot argue it was therefore his own Indeed Saint Augustine is variously conceived in it in his severall Tractates and where he hath some expressions tending to the finall falling away of some who have been regenerated and justified he is thus salved by others who understand him either de justificatis Sacramento tenus or judicio charitatis that they were such or of some predispositions to regeneration in some Morall reformation not of a spiritual real conversion which he denies to any reprobate Now in this variety of senses you should have done better then thus to chuse the worse for the Primates judgement who was against the Total and final falling away of those who were effectually called truly regenerated and sanctified according to the 38 Article of Ireland And thus I have touched the principal materials in your Letter For that you say some have endeavoured to gain credit to their Calvinistical opinions by their unjust usurpation of the Primates name I could wish those hard expressions tending so much to the distaste of Calvin might be abated whom divers of the most eminent Writers and learned Fathers of our Church whom I suppose you reverence have had in great esteem and usually name him with honour I might quote divers as Arch-Bishop Whitgift Bishop Bilson Bishop Davenant Mr. Hooker Doctor Ward c. but Bishop Andrewes shall suffice who in his determination against usury a case wherein he dissented from Calvin yet thus writes of of him Calvino illustri viro nec unquam sine summi honoris praefatione nominando c. i. e. Calvin an excellent man never to be named without a Preface of the highest honour I wish that spirit of meeknesse and charity found in those old Bishops were doubled upon us in these dayes when we are as much if not more called unto it The contrary may possibly be gratefull to the See of Rome but I do not see what advantage it can be to us For his discipline you may take your liberty which may well be distinguished from his doctrines And for the Primate though I cannot say he was of his judgement in all points yet he had a due respect for him For that which you object again to me as you did in your third Letter viz. my acknowledgeing an engagement to Mr. Barlee for his readinesse offered in his first Letter unto me to clear the Primate c. did not deserve a repetition being it was in my first to him when he was as much a stranger to me as I was to you only let me say thus much of him How far he had disagreed in his book from the Primates judgement I shall not now enquire but after the receipt of that tractate wherein he read what his was he wrot thus unto me Decemb. 21. 1657. viz. It is true there be some minutiae about which I am not satisfied and shall be glad to have an amicable conference with you However as to the rei summam I do so perfectly agree with the most venerable Primate as that I dare discharge you from all feares of ever having him exposed to my pen and censure c. which I doe the rather thus punctually repeat his words because in short you have mentioned it from me in your fourth Letter And when I had read you both meeting in the Primate I thought it my part to sit down in silence In a word you have with much industry viewed and reviewed the Primates