21. 22. 23. auoyding of communion hee citeth the first generall councell of Nice Augustine Tertullian Pope Melchiades Ambrose Gregorie the greate S. Leâ— the church of Scotland Oecolampadius Caluin Bucor Musculus Peter martyr Beza Zanchius Pezelius Mollerus Szegâ—dinus Danaeus Michabaeus Zepperus Wigandus M. Rogers the latâ— Queenes iniunctions her Canons Bishop Iâ—wâ—ll B. Pilkinton B. Westphalingâ— Bilson D. Humfry D. Fulke D. Andrevves D. Sutcliffe and other protestants Soe that wee see by these men that this is onely the doctrine of the primatiue Councells fathers Emperors and the present catholicke church but generally of protestants themselues The second proposition that these protestants are hereticks is directly proued before by their owne writings for men obstinately settinge vpp and mayntayninge against their lawfull superior and commaunding Authoritie a congregation of men wanting true preaching of the word of God due ministration of sacramens and an intruded and vsurped ministery as by their owne testimonies they haue longe tiue done and still doe must needs bee hereticks For thus they define heresie Hereticks Couell exâ— pag. 202. Ormerod dial 2. are men obstinately â—rringe in some fundamentall poynt Such as these bee by their owne doctrine before And these againe Hee is an hereticke which soâ— swarueth from the vvholesome doctrine as contemning the iudgment both of God and the church persisteth in his opinion and breaketh the peace of the church As these men haue longe time done in the highest degree and soe still perseuere Secondly as I haue alsoe proued before D. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 199. Couell writeth thus Hereticks are they vvhoe directly gaynesay some article of our faith are or haue beene condemned by some generall Councell But these protestants are in this state condemned as they haue acknowledged in diuers such articles by diuers councells which they write and testifie to bee generall as the second Nicene Councell the Councell of Florence Constance Laterane and others and not in some one article of faith though that by their recited definition were sufficient to make them hereticks but in all or the cheefest articles of their Religion and yett not onely obstinately they defend their Errors against these allowed generall Councells and the whole Catholicke church but moste vnchristianely and heretically haue in their subscribed article condemned these their lawfull iudges to haue erred in those Articu 19. things which is the greatest and moste notorious act of heresie that can bee and such as destroyeth all true Religion Therefore by their owne Censure they are notorious hereticks not to bee communicated withall in matters of Religion Thirdly I suppose in this place breefely which these protestants before haue testified at lardge that they all agree in fundamentall points without variance at all And that definition of heresie by them before Hereticks are men obstinately erring in some fundamentall Couell exaÌ„ pag. 202. point And I argue these whosoeuer by themâ—â—lues pretended to agree in all fundamentall essentiall and materiall things are yett by them selues often ceâ—â—ured denounced and adiuged to bee hereticks are to bee esteemed for such and not to bee communicated with in Religeous things But these english protestants by their owne Censures and iudgments are in this condition Therefore to bee esteemed and in spirituall communication to bee auoided as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true for as the christian philosopher writeth Satie firmum argumentum est c. That argument Lactant firmian Insti l. 4. de vera sap cap. 12. or euidence that is giuen of the enemyes themsâ—lues is stronge enough to proue the truthe for noe man will deny that which both frends and opposites affirme The minor proposicion that english protestants by their owne censures are hereticks is proued by them in this order D. Willet writeth in these words protestants VVillet apud Parkesp 20 haue sett a foote straunge nouelâ—ies paradoxes vvhirle pilt poynts bubbâ—â—s of nevv doâ—trine straunge and vnsounde positions contrary to the scripture Therefore by their doctrine hereticall and they bee hereticks which M. Parkes Parkes ag lymb inpref sup ep ded Ormer dial 2. Ormer pict pur intitul Ormer dial 1. speaking of them plainely testifieth in these words they haue pestilent heresiâ—s And againe They are hereticall and sacriledgeous M. Ormerod writeth of these soe well agreing protestants in this maner They are in the compasse of heresie And againe They doe resemble the Anabaptists condemned hereticks in aboue sourescore seuerall things And further these They ioyne sondrie things vvith the pharises Apostolicks Aerians Pepusians Petrobusians Florinians Cerinthians Nazarens Beguardines Ebionites Catababdites Catherists Iouinians c. All which bee condemned hereticks both by this mans other protestants iudgment And hee addeth further in these words there vvas scarce heresie inuented Ormer dial 2. by olâ— hereâ—icks which they haue not ioyned in reuiue and renevve vvith freâ—h and nevv colours Therefore by their owne testimonie they are hereticks if hereticks or notorious hereticks bee hereticks Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are obstinate in their errors being such that strike at mayne points of faith shake the foundation it selfe heauen and hell the diuinitie humanitie and the verie soule and saluation of Christ are to bee auoyded as hereticks But these english agreing protestants by their owne writings are such Therefore to bee auoyded as hereticks The maior proposition is euidently true The minor proposition is thus proued by M. Parkes whoe in his booke dedicated to their late Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft writeth of these agreing protestants in these words They are heade stronge and hardened in Parkes â—pist dedic error they stricke at mayne points of faith shaking the foundation it selfe and calling in question heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the very soule and saluation of our Sauiour himselfe Therefore hereticks by their owne testimonie Further I argue thus whatsoeuer pretended Religion doth sow swarue from the holy scriptures and Gods commaundments that it cannot bee kept without breach of them and is soe notoriously impious that by those of their owne profession and accompted godly amonge them it hath beene accompted to haue noe lawes noe good order noe discipline c. is hereticall But the english protestant Religion by their owne confession is such Therefore hereticall and not to bee communicated with in spirituall things The maior proposition is manifestly true And the minor is thus proued by these protestants themselues The english protestant author of the booke named certayne demaunds writeth in these words the protestant Cert demauÌ„ds An. 1605. p. 42. Ormer piâ—â— pur c. 3. Religion of EnglaÌ„d cannot bee kept without breach oâ— the commaundements M Ormerod writeth thus it hath beene conceaued by godly men in forreyne Contreyes that the english protestants haue noe lawes noe good orders noe discipline but that euery man may doe what hee list Therefore if their owne godly brethren in Religion and by their owne Relation as
religion neuer maintayned or taught before is new and hereticall For Scotland this protestant Doctor hath told vs before that Knoxe their cheife protestant disallowed this their seruice which hee testifieth alsoe in his booke against Burges in these words Knoxe disallovved the communion booke Conell against Burg pag. 69. And the same of Knoxe was soe highely applauded with protestants That D. Sutcliffe hath tolde vs before that their Brethren in Scotland had imposition of hands from Knoxe therefore Knoxe not being a Bâ—shop must needs bee an Apostle extraordinarie or greater in his iudgment For France and Suitcerland Caluine and Bucer are renowned amonge protestants and Couell sup pa. 69. 122. pag 47. yett the same protestant Doctor writeth thus Bucer Censured the communion booke Caluine censured the communion booke to conteyne many fooleries And in an other booke in this maner Examinat pag. 185. Caluiue Whoe was in maner of an Oracle of God to all churches that were reformed gaue this Censure of the englisâ— communion booke translated into latine to haue his iudgment of it that many foolish things Were in yt not that puritie which was to bee desired vvas to bee filed from the rust corrected and many things cleane taken avvay For Germanie the protestant Author of the Relation of the state of religion hath these words The princes and people in Germanie haue Caluinists Relation of Relig. â— 45. in greate detestation not for bearing to professe openly they vvill returne to the papacie rather then euer admitt that sacrameÌ„tarie predestinarie pestilence Therefore Catholicks may not communicate with their country protestants in their english seruice soe generally condemned both by themselues and all forreyne protestants Againe I argue thus Noe seruice or fashion of prayer and Sacraments that is by the practizers of them and those which in their IudgmeÌ„t agree with them in all materiall points condemned to haue grosse errors manifest impieties grosse and palpable repugnancie euen in necessarie and essentiall points of Religion misapplyeth scriptures to countenance errors is naught and may bee communicated with But the english protestant seruice and Booke thereof is such therefore not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true And the minor is thus proued by these protestants M. Ormerod recordeth the Censure of english protestants vppon it in these words The booke Ormerod dial 1. of common prayers and the vvhole order of protestants seruice is coÌ„demned And to shew that they which thus censured it were allowed teaâ—hers and preachers amonge them hee addeth Ormer pict purit d 3. thus in an other book preachers in their verball sermâ—nâ— speake against the state ecclesiasticall tâ—e â—ooke of common prayer and the Ceremonies of the church of England D. Couell â—eâ—â—â—eth Couell exaÌ„ pag 179. theiâ— sâ—â—â—eâ—ce thus The communion bookâ— is boldely despised grosse â—rrors and manifest impieties are in the communion booke The protestant author of Certaine Coâ—sidâ—rations writeth in this maner The protestant communion booke Cert Consider An 1605. p 10 11. 12. 13. 17 Suru pag. 20. 24. anâ— seruice is naught it hath grosse and palpable repugnancie in yt An other protestant writeth thus The communion Booke of England is not agreable to the word of God in many things The communion booke as it hath ministred matter of contention froâ— the first hatchinge of yt Soe it vvill euer bee the fuell of that fyer An other Abbridgm of luic dioc pag. 15. pag. 17. speaketh thus â—he booke of common prayer misapplyeth sondrie places of scripture and that to the mayntayninge of vnsound doctrine The booke of common prayer contayneth in yt sondry things besids them handled in the abbridgment beeing verâ— many that are contrarie to the vvord pag. 73. of God it appointeth sondrie things that tend directly to the prophanation of the holy sacraments either â—y prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons or administring them vnreuereantly iâ— auoucheth sondrie manifest and apparant vntruthes pag. 74. it appointeth sondrie things that bringe greate disorder and confusion vnto the vvorship of God pag. 75. It conteynes sondrie things that are ridiculous and absurde and â—uch as noe â—reasonable sence can bee made of it conteyns in yt sâ—ndrie euideâ—t contradictions And to giue instance in the publicke preachers of london it selfe Twoe and tuentie of them haue ioyned together in this Censure of this their seruice published it in printin thes words Many things in the communion booke are Petit. of 2â— preachers of London repugnant to the word of God In the communion booke there bee things of which there is noe reasonable sence there is contradiction in yt euen in necessarie and essentiall points of Religion it conteyneth vntruthes in saith the Holy scripture is disgraced in yt it entoyneth vnlawfull Ceremontes conteyneth corrupt translations of holy scriptures misapplyeth places of holy scriptures to the countenance of errors Therfore not to bee communicated with The 9. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants by their owne testimonies and published writings are manifest and knowne dissemblers willfull deceauers seducers lyere and periured in matters of Religion CONCERNINGE the Religeous behauiour and maner of life and conuersation of these men doctors preachers and practisers of this new Religion I argue thus Noe men that are manifestly detected dissemblers periured foreswearens lyars and knowne deceauers in matters of Religion euen by the confession of themselues and their essentially agreinge frends are not to bee imitated in Religion but vtterly to bee auoided in such Communications But the english protestant preachers and teachers of Religion are in this condition Therefore not to bee followed but auoided in spirituall communications The maior proposition is euidently true for of all people manifest lyers forswearers and dissemblers with God and man are most to bee discredited and reiected in conuersation especially in religeous things The minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants The protesâ—ant author of the relation of Religion a man of greate creditt and â—â—thoritie in their church writeth thus protestant Relation of Râ—ligion cap. 32. writers in Relation of things haue abused this present age and preiudiced posteritie Louâ— and dislike hath sâ—e dâ—zeled their eyes that they cannot bee beleeued M. Oâ—merod hath these wordâ— It is true indeed there are â—arebraynd inconstant Ormer pagan pag. â—â— 57. and sickle headed amonge protesâ—anâ—â— that are much like vnto â—kebolius tâ—e Sophist of Constantinople whoâ— before Iulian was emperour caried â—imselfe as an earnest Christian vnder Iulian hee became an Apostata and a baganâ— aâ—d after Iulian he woulde bee a christian againe And suâ—h were their cheifest and prime protestants themselues as their Archbishop Cranmeâ— befoâ—e oweinge all dutie and obedience to God twiâ—e swearing yt to the pope to kinge Henry 8 kinge Edward 6 Queene Mary of diuers Religeons and yett hee was an hereticke to God and his church and a periured wretch to all those princes
things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their owne Conscience and iudgment in Religion Therefore to proceede in my first intended purpose and proposition I argue in this maner Noe men which by their owne testimonies and writings doe generally dislike or disallowe of the temporall princes supreamacie in spirituall and ecclesiasticall Causes and in straunge and danigerous order can or may in conscience by oathe and swearinge allowe yt But this is the common estate of english protestants by their owne confessions published in writinge Therefore they cannot in conscience sweare to the oathe of supreamacie in temporall princes or allowe yt for true doctrine The maior proposition is euidently true for in soe dyinge they are periured and forsworne and in a matter of highe moment And all periury is damnable And soe noe spirituall communication to bee had with such men in such matters or in things daungerous vnto or against Regalitie or lawfull regiment allowed by the lawe of God and true Religion The minor proposition that protestants in England are in this condition is thus proued by their owne Testimonies The protestant author of the booke named Certaine demaundes writeth in these words The protestant Bishops doe not attributie Cert demaund An 1605. p. 54 any more spirituall authoritie vâ—to the Kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spiritual povver to preache the vvorlde adminisâ—er the sacraments and excommunicate But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his maiestie resolueth this matter in these wordes Wee giue not to our Articles of Relig. ar 37 Prince the ministrings either of Gods vvorde or of the sacraments the vvhich thinge the iniunctions alsoâ— sometime sett forth by Elizabeth our late Queene doe moste plainely testifie Therefore as the Conclusion before is The protestants of England cannot by their owne doctrine without periury sweare to the kings supreamacie Therefore parlamentarie proâ—estants and puritans alsoe holdinge this opinion against the kings supreamacie and yett for preferment or other carnall respects hauing sworne vnto yt are periured and forsworne in a damnable degree And thus by this title the pretended ministery of England is a periured Ministery by their owne writings Againe I argue in this maner whatsoeuer Ministery claymeth their callinge to bee by lawe diuine diuinae ordinationis doe by the doctrine of english protestants deny the kings supreamacie But both the parlament protestants and puritanes thus clayme their callinge of ministery Therefore by their owne doctrine deny the kings supreamacie The maior proposition is proued by the protestant author of the booke named Certaine Considerations in these wordes if the english protestants Cert consider pa. 46. opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de iure diuino his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Therefore by this protestant reason the kinge is not supreame for hee that is supreame or superior cannot be excommunicated by the inferior which hath not power ouer the supe-superior much lesse ouer him that is supreame Againe hee that is supreame is subiect to none because not inferior but aboue commaundinge all Yett here the kinge is both named subiect and Censured as an inferior and to that penance and punishment soe greuous that the protestant author of Assertion thus expresseth Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326. it inflicted on princes by their supreamacies Excommunication is terrible to princes and rulers a delyuery of the soule to sathan punishment of the bodie and daunger of goâ—ds Excommunication is soe powerfull as it can constreyne princes and rulers to doe their duties M. Ormerod alsoe remembreth this protestant doctrine Ormer dial 1. in these words princes ought to submitt themselues to the Seniors of the church they ought to be coÌ„teÌ„t to be ruled gouerned punished corrected excoÌ„municated by their discretioÌ„ at their pleasur Then whether these protestaÌ„ts can in coÌ„science sweare to the kings supreamacie as they haue done or sweare an oathe soe much concerning their Bishops presbitery as the named Oathe of alledgeance coÌ„cerneth the Popes prerogatiue and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporall prince to acknowledge The Bishop of the cheefest Apostolicke See whome all Catholicke princes of Christendome and the church of Christ euer acknowledged for their supreame spirituall pastor and gouernor to bee alsoe vnto him as hee is and euer was to all his progenâ—tors kings and other princes or singularly with soe manifest daunger against scriptures councels fathers histories and all authorities and examples to make himselfe his soule bodie life and goods as before subiect and at the pleasure of his subiects euery pretended Bishop in his dioces and euery Minister of the presbyterie in his parishe or diuision I leaue these for others to conclude onely I add that these protestants by this their claymed superiority ouer princes haue within lesse then fourtie yeares disinherited depriued and spoyled more temporall princes of their lawfull territories and dominions as is proued against them by a Catholicke writer of our nation Then the Pope by any prerogatiue title Moder Answ ca. 8. c. 9. See the protestants there cited or clayme with the consent of kingdomes hath taken vpon him to alter the Regiment of temporall kinges from the first begynning of Christianitie to these dayes But more of this matter hereafter The minor proposition that both the protestant Bishops now and the presbiterie clayme their callings Iure diuino by the law of God and not from the prince is euidently proued before And manifest in probation of the first proposition For the lawes of this land and wee admitt noe others are soe far from making it the office and power of any Bishop presbiterie parson or societie whatsoeuer â—o excommunicate their prince delyuer his soule to Sathan punish his bodie on daunger his goods constreyne rule gouerne correct and punish him at their discretion and pleasure as their owne words before bee that the very conspiring or consenting vnto such things is a state of high Treason and greatest offence to lawe in this kingedome Therefore they must blasphemousely clayme as they doe other things from the lawe oâ— God noe other in force here as before Then I may say with their owne protestant writer in these words The kinges supreamacie is fallen Certaine coÌ„sideratioÌ„s An. 1605. pag. 47. downe and ouerthrowne in the moste daungerous degree by the english protestant proceedings And this might suffice for this purpose demonstratiuely prouing what I promised But I argue further in this maner Whoeseuer doe not onely say that the protestant Bishops or presbiterie haue the supreamacie in spirituall things and kings haue nothing therein to deale but must submitt their scepters and Crowns lose their Royaltie cease to bee kings not to bee obeyed to bee deposed vnthroned bereaued of all power and principalitie c. as the protestant ministery shall please or denownce
as before is manifest and soe of others The same is confirmed to bee alsoe agreable to the behauiour of their doctors in this time of whome the same protestant Ormer pict purit l. 1. author writeth in this order They will make as solemne protestations as any men can doe and by oathe deny that vvhich they doe you shall neuer finde vvith any high land or border theeues more lyes and vile periuries then vvith these though they protest and by oathe denie yett sâ—ortely after vvee shall see it come to passe The protestant author of the booke intituled offer of Offer of CoÌ„fer pa. 9 Conference writeth of the parlamentarie protestants shewing therein the reasons of their notorious lying and dissemblinge in Religion in these words some standinge vppon these points of difference not for conscience but for carnall respects some because othervvise they knovve not hovv to bee mayntayned but by depending vppon that faction some to gratifie their benefactors and patrons and to please their frends some for discontentment vvant of preferment some for giddines of innouation some for pride of hart and selfe loue some for hatred of order and restraint of their libertie some for ignorance some to retayne the opinion of constancie And to shewe that by their owne iudgment this prophane hipocrisie dissimulation c is generall in their Religion Couell exaÌ„ pag. 179. Parkes Apol praef D Couell writeth in this maner Atheisme and hipocrisie is in all states in this kingdome M. Parkes hath this Censure heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert all grounds of Christian Religion Their late protestant Bishop D. Babington in the publicke Conference at Hampton Conference pag. 14. 15. Coâ—rt sheweth how in the begynning protestancie was approued in their parlament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the composers of their communion booke and citeth the Archbishop of yorke to that purpose What dealinge was vsed therein may appeare alsoe by soe generall a dislike of protestants against it as is befor proued whervpon D Couell writeth thus The first english Ministers soe farr dissented Couell exaÌ„ pag. 71. that some bookes and the greatest part of Christendome was filled with the â—rreuerent vnholy and vnnaturall Contentions of that time Their behauiour in other Contryes was not vnlike onely I will exemplifie in Scotland of which his maiestie in the Conference at Hampton Court relateth thus M. Knoxe Writes to the Queene Regent K speache in Cofe pa. 80. 81. 82. of whome without slattery I may say shee vvas a vertuous and moderate lady telling her that â—hee vvas supreame heade of the church But hovv longe trovve yee did this continue euen soe longe till by her authoritie the popish Bishops were repressed Hee himselfe and his adherents were brought in and well setled and by these meanes made stronge enough Then loe they began to make small account of her Supreamacie nor would longer rest vpon her authoritie but tooke the cauâ—e into their ovvne hands Hovv they vsed that pore lady my Mother is not vnknowne vvhoe did desire onely a priuate Chappell vvherein to serue God after her maner vvith some fevv selected parsons but her supreamacie vvas not sufficient to obtaine yt at their hands And concerning the same Question of princes supreamacie in England soe enacted by their parlaments to sett them in possession yett that now at this present neither parlamentarie nor puritane protestant in their writings allowe yt but clayme it to themselues I will proue by themselues hereafter And the reason of this their proceedings procedeth from the state of their desolate cause for in the beginninge of this their protestant Religion hauing noe other meanes to giue Colour to a new pretended Ministery then by the temporall princes supreamacie and power in spirituall things all true religeous preeminencie iurisdiction and authoritie being abandoned forth of this nation by their parlaments edicts against the Apostolicke see of Rome and Christs câ—tholicke church they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed churches because they could not settle yt themselues for that present to allowe yt to the temporall Prince But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration againe from Rome which they had thus renownced before say Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup Cert considerat An. 1605. pag. 46. they are diuinae ordinationis by the ordinance of God where vppon the protestant Author of certaine Considerations doth argue and consider thus if the english protestants opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de Iure diuini by the lawe of God his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication pag. 54. sup And againe in these wordes protestant Bishops themselues doe not attribute any more spirituall authotitie vnto the kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spirituall poâ—er to preache the worde administer the sacramâ—ntt and excommunicate Which as is euident is none at all And yett at this present to omitt others those protestant Bishops of this kingdome which moste sway and not onely in spiriâ—uall things are knowne to bee both by their education and writings of that protestant sect and opinion which before hath told vs that their Bishops and soe consequently themselues are vnlawfull against Gods Worde hell houndes naturall sonnes of sathan false bastardly gouernors enemyes to God to the kinge and to his people euen in their very callinges and offices How these men haue behaued themselues in the Questions betweene Catholicks and them may appeare sufficiently in the first and second generall demonstration where not onely they generall groundes of diuinitie but all particular cheife controuersies of this time are demonstratiuely proued against them by their owne writings published printed or allowed withâ—n the first sixe yeares of his maiesties â—aigne how the puritane protestants haue delt with their Bishops partely appeareth before how their Bishops walke towards them and one to an other is euident in that either condemneth other to bee Scismaticks hereticks inâ—â—dolls Offer of CoÌ„fer pag. 9. damned c. The protestant offer of Conferâ—nce writeth thus It is notorious vnto all the â—orlde what indignities slaunders false accusations and calumniations the prelates and their adâ—erents in their priuate speaches publicke sermons and writings lay vppon the ministers I will cite one example moste conceruinge them bothe CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hâ—mpt Couâ—t by D. â—arloâ—e 3. other Copies printed by Wind. 〈◊〉 â—â—fer pag. 28 29 their Conference at Hampton Court before the kinge and Lords Their protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe relateth it wholly for their Bishops Three other Copyes printed by Ihon Windeâ— and diuers others relate yt for the puritanes Besides the testimonie of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the protetestant offer of Conference It â—â— more then apparant that they haue fraudulâ—ntly cut of and concealed all the speaches which were many tâ—at his maiestie vttered against the
admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriacâ—m to turne poâ—son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true ChristiaÌ„s to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings spâ—acâ— in hâ—â—â— parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression enchaâ—nâ—mâ—nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carnaâ—l act with any creature periurye false testimoniâ— gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracefâ—lly punishable by the lawes of England of which â— haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Cleaâ—gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in maâ—ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag kâ—ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 WottoÌ„ def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abrâ—dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the
them Further I argue in this maner Whatsoeuer is confidently taught printed and published by men of Religion is to bee allowed and graunted by all that acknowledg themselues to bee wholly of the same Religion with them in all things esseÌ„tiall But the hauing of the pure worde preached though essentiall in Religion is yet denyde by these consenting protestants to bee in their church Therfore they must graunt it is wanting with them The maior proposition is euidently true otherwise they should not agree but dissent in essentiall things The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Iacob one of their agreing protestants writeteh in these words the protestants flocke Iacob Reas pag. 52. pa. 52. 53. Iacob reas episc dedic pag. 51. of England cannot expect that heauen shall bee opened vnto them And thus further The english pâ—otestant Religion diminisheth the honor and dignitie of Christ impugneth the foundation of sauing faith and is contrary to Gods word And thus againe Christs owne ordinances necessarie to bee enioyed for our soules health are wanting in England tâ—ere is noe ordinary meanes of saluation Iacob exhor pag. 82. pag 79. 8 to bee had in the english protestant Religion euery man vvanteth the heauenly foode and perseruatiue appointed for vs of God the english protestant church vvanteth the ordinary meanes appointed of God for saluation to euery man Their agreing protestant author of the booke named Aduertisement spâ—eking of the errors of their english Aduertisement An. 1604. pag. protestant church writeth thus Millions of millions runne to eternall flames Christianitie is denyed in England by publicke authoritie Their Certaine dem An. 1605. p. 4â— thus well agreing Author of certayne demaunds hath these wordes The protestant Religion of England cannot bee kept vvithout breach of the commaundments Therfore the pure word of God is not preached with them their church not true their Religion false noe saluation to bee hoped with them therefore noe communion in Religion to bee yeelded vnto them And this is sufficiently graunted by the protestant Bishops themselues in their publicke Conference at Hampton Court where their behauiour and confession was this as the protestant Author of the first copie ioyned to that of their Bishop Barlowes setteth downe in thes words Canterbury London Winchester fell dovvne on their knees and desired that all things might remayne Conference at HamptoÌ„ copie 1. annexed to B. Barlovves printed by IhoÌ„windet Copie 2 sup least the papists should thinke vvee haue beene in error And this is confirmed by a seconde protestant writer and Copie of that conference in this maner Bishops of Canterburye London and Winchester makinge earnest suite that all things might stand as they did leaste the papists should take offence vvhoe might say vvee vvould persvvadâ— them to come to a church hauing errors in yt Like is the testimonie of a third Copie 3. protestant Copie followinge in the same place And D. Morton concludeth this matter with this generall protestant Maxime and grounde in their doctrine It is a generall Maxime there is none in the churche vvhose iudgment is of infallible Morton Apol. part 2. pag. 315. authoritie Then an other Maxime is that the protestants church is erroneous hath not true faith for euery article of faith being â—euealed of God is most certaine infallibly true The 4. particular protestant demonstration is because english protestants by their owne testimonies want the due ministration of Sacraments an other thinge alsoe essentiall to the true church by their owne Religion AS I haue proued in the former Chapter that the protestants of England haue not the pure worde of God preached amonge them because by their owne testimonie they haue noe true and lawfull preachers Soe I now demonstrate that they haue not the due ministration of Sacraments because they want a true and lawfull ministery and sacred ministers to administer them for where the due and right Actor and doer of a thinge is not the thinge cannot bee duely righly done because euery externall Action is an emanation or doing of the effect from the agent Secondly I argue thus These protestants haue not sacraments Therfore not sacraments duely ministred The consequence is euidently true for where there is noe action or thinge to bee done there yt cannot bee either dulie or vnduely done because yt can by noe wayes bee done The Antecedent that these protestants haue not sacraments I thus demonstrate from themselues for first they deny fyue of those seuen which the Apostolick Romane church receaueth onely retayning twoe as they themselues affirme that is Baptisme and the Lords supper as they name the moste holy sacrament of the Altar Soe that if but one of these twoe is wantâ—ng with them they cannot bee said to haue sacraments in the plurall number as their definition before containeth but one onely sacrament and if that is either wanting with them or not duely ministred by them they haue none at all duely ministred Now that the blessed sacrament of the altar is wanting in their church I thus demonstrate First because as they acknowledg it is to bee celebrated by a lawfully consecrated preist or minister as some of them rather call him yt selfe beinge a sacrament of greatest consecration and they haue not any such coÌ„secrated preist or minister in their church therefore this soe sacred and consecrated holy sacrament not being without such consecration and preist is not in their church and their breade and wyne is noe more a sacrament then that which in a tauerne is seet on the table by the drawer of the wine And for this present it is manifestly demonstrated by D. Couell and his priuiledging protestants whoe entreating of lawfully called sacred church preists or ministers hath these words To these parsons God imparted power ouer Couell def of Hook-pa 87. his misticall body which is the societie of soules ouer that naturall which is himselfe for the knittiuge of bothe in one a worke which antiquitie doth call the making of Christs body And in an other booke hee writeth thus The power of the Couell mod exam pag. 105. ministery by blessing visible Elements it maketh them inuisible grace it giueth dayly the holy ghost it hath â—o dispose of that flesh which was giuen for the life life of the worlde and that blood which was powred out tò rèdeme soules Where wee see a diuine and miraculous consecration and grace belonging to both these holy Sacraments of Order to consecrate and the most blessed Eucharist the bodie and blood of Christ to bee consecrated both which as is manifest are wanting in the english protestants church by their owne both practise and writings And to make this matter more euident if it could bee and further confirme that these men want this sacred Order and Sacrament of preisthood to minister this and the other sacraments hee writeth of yt againe in this maner It is a power Couell def sup
pa. 87. 88. 89. 91. which neither prince nor potentate kinge nor Caesar on earth caÌ„ giue Ministeriall power is a worke of seperation because it seuereth them that haue yt from other men and maketh them a speciall Order consecrated vnto the seruice of the moste high in things wherewith others may not ineddle The Character of Order is an actiue power which giueth an Abilitie publickly to administer the sacraments Then the pretended ministery of England not being of this holy Order as is proued from them before hath noe power to minister sacraments especiall this which consisteth in soe holy consecration which they not onely want but deny to bee exercised Therefore there remaineth but one Sacrament Baptisme which these protestants can by any semblâ—nâ—e of reason make clayme vnto if this were graunted yett they are allreadie by themselues condemned not hauing either sacraments duely ministred or sacraments how soeuer duely or vnduly ministred and soe haue noe note of the true church by their owne doctrine But I will alsoe shew that by their owne testimonie they either haue not this sacrament or not duely ministred And thus I argue by their doctrine Noe ministringe of Baptisme by women lay men or any but a lawfully admitted minister is duely ministred But with protestants in England lawfull ministers doe not baptize by their owne testimonie Therefore Baptisme with them is noe true baptisme or not duely ministred by their owne Iudgment The maior proposition is proued by his Maiesties Censure in their Hampton Conference where their Bishop Barlowe speaking of three things to bee then cheefely entreated writeth thus The third was priuate baptisme if priuate CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampt Court pa. 8 for place his maiestie thought it agreed with the vse of the primatiue church if for parsons that any but a lawfull minister might baptise any Where hee vtterly disliked and in this point his highnes grewe somewhat earnest against the baptizing by Women and laickes The first of the other Copie 1 sup annexed protestant copies reporteth the Kings speache in this maner Hee spake bitterly against Copie 2. priuate Baptisme saying hee had as liue an ape as a vvoman should baptiâ—e â—â—s child The next protestant copie of that conference speaketh thus The kinge concluded against priuate Baptisme By which it seemeth that Baptisme ministred by any but a truely and lawfully ordered preist or minister was not Baptisme And then to proue the minor proposition the english protestants of england haue not true baptisme Because as is proued before by their owne writings they haue noe true ministers And soe by their owne publicke communion booke teaching comm booke tit publ Baptisme that none are admitted into the Church of Christ but by Baptisme the protestants of England by their owne doctrine are noe Christians Which absâ—rditie to follow vppon this doctrine ioyned with the defect of their protestant ministery may seeme to haue beene perceaued by D. Bilson their protestant Bishop of Winchester for that protestant Author of Copie 1. of Conference sup the first copie writeth thus The Bishop of Winchester sayde that if hâ—â— tooke avvay priuate baptisme hee ouerthrevv all antiquitie Further I argue thus The protestants of England by their owne testimonies to bee vsed in the next chapters and as appeareth alsoe by them allreadie are hereticks therefore by their doctrie printed their children are not to bee baptized And soe by them there is noe baptisme priuate or not priuate amonge them because they onely baptise children The Antecedent is euident and the consequent published Ormerod dialog 1. by M. Ormerod in these wordes Children of hereticks and of such as by excommunication are cut from the church may not bee baptised Therefore by these protestant positions noe protestants in England being either to baptise or bee baptized there is noe Baptisme among them much lesse Baptisme duely ministred which is the poynt in question And soe not any one sacrament to giue grace amonge them therfore noe meruaile if soe greate prophane sins impieties raigne amoÌ„g them as they testifie hereafter Further whereas it is proued that Christ instituted all those seauen sacraments which bee vsed in the Romane church with their grace matter forme c. these men doe not retayne any one or not duely ministred by their owne testimonies Therfore noe true church with them nor spirituall communion to bee had with them To these I add this argument from themselues soe agreing together in all materiall things such as sacraments bee noe companie where the sacraments bee not or not duely ministred is the true church or to bee communicated within Religion But the english protestant supposed church by their owne testimonies is such Therefore it is not the true church nor to bee communicated with in Religion the Articul 19 maior proposition consisteth of their publicke and Authorized article of Religion The minor is thus proued by these agreing protestants M. Ormerod relateth their sentence in these words amonge the protestants sacraments Ormer pict purit l. 3. dial 1. are vvickedly mangled and prophaned yea and vvickedly ministred For confirmation whereof their Bishop Barlowe hath thus written by the testimonie of their late Archbishop of Canterbury and the Lord Chauncellor before the kinge The vicar of â—aâ—â—sdale was proued before CoÌ„feâ—eÌ„ce at Hampton pag 99. the Lord Archbishop to deale breade out of a baskett for the communion euery man putting in his hand and taking out a peece The protestant Author of the booke named An abridgment AbridgmeÌ„t pag. 72. of Lincoln dioces writeth thus of their publickly allowed practicall of Religion It appointeth sondry things that tend directly to the prophanation of the holy sacraments either by prostituting them to vnvvorthie parsons or administringe them vnreuerently And D. Willet the stiled Professor of diuinitie seemeth to bee of the same opinion And therefore coueteth to retayne a name of a church vnto them though they haue noe sacrament at all not bâ—ptisme yt selfe to bee ministred in yt wherevppon his words bee these It is â—rrâ—neous to thinke that Baptismâ— Willet An til pa. 127. and the church can not bee seperaâ—ed The 5. Demonstration is Because these protestants manifestly acknowledge that their pretended church is not the true church of Christ AND by this it is euidently demonstraâ—ed by these protestants against themselues that soe longe time pretending to bee refâ—â—ners of Religion and church they are now conuinced by their owne Testimonies not to haue the true church but rather noe church of Christianitie att all For wheresoeuer the pure word of God is not preached the sacraments duely ministred and lawfully called ministers to doe these things ther is not the true church but rather noe christian church att all But as is proued by these english protestants such is their stâ—te and condition Therefore they eyther haue noe christian church at all or at the leaste noe true church by their owne confession Therefore
noe spiriâ—uall communion to bee had with them both propositions are graunted anâ— proued by â—heses protestants before and further may bee confirmed by these words of D. Feild for the maâ—or proposition There is and allwayes hath beene a visible church Feild pa 21 and that not consistinge of some foâ—e scattered Christians without order of ministery or vse of sacraments for all this vve doe moste Willingly yeeld vnto And againe in this maner In the Feild sup pag. 25. church of God is fovvnde an entire profession of the sauing truth of God Order of holy ministery sacraments by vertue thereof aâ—ministred and a blessed vnitie and fellovvship of the people of God c. vnder the commaunde of lavvfull pastors and guides And againe in his second booke hee Feild l. 2. ca. 2. p. 40. maketh this a note vnseperable an vnion or connexion of men in profession and vse of sacraments vnder lavvfull pastors Therefore demonstration being made by these protestants themselues that their Church soe termed by them wanteth these things which is the second proposition The Conclusion that their Congregation or pretended church is noe church or not the true church is manifestly true and soe not to bee communicated within Religion Further from soe well agreing protestants in all essentiall things as they teache vs I argue thus Noe societie or companie of men affirmed by themselues or men agreing with them in all essentiall and materiall points of Religion to bee noe church or not the true church can in conscience bee taken and esteemd by others differing from them in Religion to bee the true church and to bee communicated with in sermons seruyce Sacraments c. But the english protestants are in this condition Therfore they haue not the true church nor may bee communicated with in such things The maior proposition is euidently true for noe testimonie is greater to a man then his owne iudgment vnderstanding and conscience and of others not differinge beinge an internall lawe and direction vnto all men The minor Couell def of Hooke pag 65. 75 pag. 74. Couell exaÌ„ pag. 3 Ormerod pict purit k. 1. Ormer dial 1. Feild episc dedicat of the church Couell def pa. 50. cont Burg. p. 60. WottoÌ„ def p. 442. c. D. Abbotag Hill p. 101. 102. 236. 237. 247. doue persu p. 32. mort satisf p. 18. Sutcl ag kell pag. 42 iâ— ill Antil p. 15. Middl. pap pa. 201 WottoÌ„ def is thus proued by these their soe well agreâ—ng protestants themselues whose sentence is thus sett downe by D. Couell in these words The statute congregations of England arâ— noe true churches And againe in these termes the protestant church of England is noe church at all And further thus the protestants of England haue noe forme of a church M. Ormerod lâ—kewise doth thus register their Censure against themselues in this order The protestant church is not the true church of Christ. And thus againe the protestant church in England is not the true church it hath not soe much as the outward face and shew of the true church Then because D. Feild with others assure vs there is noâ— part of heauenly doctrine more necessarie in these daies then to knovv the church and true sponse of Christ and that there is noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church This must needs bee a moste necessarie essentiall and materiall point in Religion otherwise nothing is or can bee necessarie essentiall or materiall wherefore seinge their protestant Archbishop of Canterbury their protestant Bishop of Peterborough their Doctors Morton Sutcliffe Willet Wotton Povvell Middleton and all protestants as they teach doe hold that they all agree in euery essentiall point none but papists and lyers affirme the contrary and noe Goliath can proue yt they all agree and must conclude that the protestants haue noe church p. 28. Couâ—ll ag apologet epist. pag. 48. 52. c. or not the true church And soe noe spirituall communion is to bee had with them The 6. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because English protestants by their owne testimonies are hereticks and moste notorious hereticks FVRTHER I proceede in this matter with this demonstration noe societie companie or fellowship of men that by their owne testimonies or hereticks may bee communicated with in spirituall things But these english protestants are such therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is thus proued by these protestants Their Bishop D. Doue writeth thus This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are Doue persuas pag. to bee communicated withall is vndoubtedly true because it is grounted vppon scripture Tit. 3. Ioh. â—p 2. Rom. 16. M. Hull teaceth by many examples Hull Rom. pol. p. 30. 31. 32. 33. 34. Ormer pag p. 51. Powell cons pag. 8. in concl Sutcl exam of petit p. 9. and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie in this maner Wee may not communicate vvith hereticks and men of a diuers Religion M. Ormerod is of the same opinion M. Powell writeth thus With Idolaters hereticks good men ought to haue noâ— communion D. Sutcliff handleth this point more at lardge and first citeth the Loadicean councell can 31. 32. 33. which doth directly condemne communion vvith hereticks either in Mariadge or in prayer And hee further speaketh thus The fourth councell of Cathage cap. 70. forbiddeth cleargie men all festings and fellovvship vvith hereticks and Scismaticks Alsoe against communion with such people hee citeth these scriptures Deuter 13. Psal 16. Deut. 16. Deut. 29. Sutcl sup pa. 5. 6. 7. 8. Zephan 1. Matth 7. Matth. 16 Gal 5. Apocal. 2. num 16. Iosue 23. 2. Corinth 6. And calleth euen the tolleration of any false hereticall Religion repugnant to Râ—asons of Religion and holy scriptares Hee telleth further such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of auntient christian Emperors For fathers hee citeth S. Athanasius Gregorie Nazianeen sup pa. 10. 11. cap. 3. Hierome Augustine Ambrose Irenaeus Dionysius Heraclas Optatus of Meleuit And addeth thus Eusebius l. 7. hist c. 6. by the authoritie of Dyoninisius and Heraclas prouâ—th that such as conuerso vvith hereticks are excommunicate For Emperors hee alleadgeth the degrees of these primatiue pag. 11. christiaÌ„ Emperors ConstaÌ„tine Gratian Valentinian Theodosius Arcadius Honorius Martianus and Iustinian And to conclude that all protestants will seeme to bee of the same opinion the protestant Author of the booke AbridgmeÌ„t An. 1605. pag. 18. named Abridgment of a booke of the ministers of Lincoln dioces writeth thus By the iudgment of the godly learned of all churches and ages vvho haue constantly taught and giuen testimonie to this truth that Christians are bounde to cast of the cerâ—monies and râ—ligeous customes of pagans Ievves Idolaters and hereticks and carefully to shun all conformitie vvith them And for this Sup. pa. 18. 19. 20.
he ther reproueth haue thus conâ—eated of them it will bee pardonable in Catholicks to thinke of them as themselues doe and reporte and soe wee may not communicate with such hereticks especially when D. Couell againe writeth the like in this Couell des of Hooker pag. 24. maner The begynnings the proceedings the end of them both in England and Scotland serue to this end that order may cease Therefore they are hereticks And to passe ouer this generall state of heresie whereof they are thus manifestly conuicted by their owne testimonie I will breefely sett downe how by their owne confessionalsoe they are guiltie of diuers other particular and singular heresies errors and paradoxes in Religion suffered allowed and maintayned amonge them and soe consequently for that cause alsoe not to bee communicated with in matters of Religion some of them bee recorded or mayntayned by these protestants M. Ormerod setteth downe one of their doctrines in Ormer dial 1. these words children of hereticks and of such as by excommunication are cut from the church may not bee baptized By which opinion ioyned with their other protestant doctrines before the children of all protestants must needs bee damned because there is noe saluation without baptisme Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson Bilson suru p. 541. 552. writeth these I doe not finde any scriptures that allowe the Saincts deceasâ—d the same place of glorie where Christ now is at the right hand of God in the highest heauens till the laste day come Then if noe scriptures teach yt protestants receauing noe other rule cannot beleeue yt and soe by D. Couells sentence they dissolue that communion Couell ag Burg. p. 90. of Sainsts which wee professe to beleeue as an article of Gods truthe The doctrine of Christs disceÌ„t into hell is an article of our Creede the protestants censure puritans for heretick for denying of yt yett M. Ormerod a professed writer against puritans condemninge them of many heresies teacheth this doctrine The beleeso Ormer dial â— Ormer pa. ganot pag. of Christ discending into hell to fetch prisoners tâ—ence is like the fable of Hercules greing to hell to setch thence Theseus Pirothous and Cerberus Thus hee hath written with publicke applauâ—e and priuiledge of this Article of our faith Therefore M. Parkes setteth downe their protestants Parkes p. 92 opinion herein in this maner Christs discent into hell is noe Article of our Creede but an intruded fable a patch which some Coblâ—r or patcher patched to the Creede it is against the Analogie of our faith it ingeÌ„dreth many incoÌ„ueniences many absurde opinions friuolous fables and pâ—antasticall visions The common opinion of protestants in their arguments against transsubstantiation Christs reall presence in the blessed sacrament of the altar is that the true naturall properties of a bodie cannot bee seperated from yt Yett M. Powell with priuiledge writeth thus The Powell de Antich pa. 499. bodie of Christ after his resurrection had not the naturall properties of a bodie Then by theiâ— doctrine yt was not a true bodie and soe noe true resurrection and that article of our Creede also is publickly denyed and soe there is noe resurrection of the bodie as followeth by S. Paules doctrine and reasoning thus by their owne translation if Christ bee not risen theÌ„ is our preaching 1. Corint 15 v. 14. 17. 18 vayne and your faith alsoe is vayne and if Christ bee not raised your saith is vaine you are yett in your synnes And soe they which are a sheepe in Christ are perished And soe there is noe Resurrection of the bodie noe immortalitie of the soule by this doctrine for a thinge perished is not but hath ceased to bee Therefore M. Parkes writeth of these protestant as before they strike at mayne points of saith shaking the Parkes epi. dedic foundation it selfâ— and calling in queâ—tion heauen and hell the diuinitie and humanitie yea the verie soule and saluation of our sauiour himselfe And to make it apparant that they generally giue way to all infidelitie The same M. Powell highely commended by D. Sutcliffe writeth thus with publicke approbation it is noe more certaine Powell pref l. de Anticâ— that God is in heauen Creaâ—or of visible inuisible things and Iesus Christ the truâ— mâ—ssâ—â—â— then that the pope of Rome is the greate Antichrist and the papall church the synagoge of Antichrist But I haue made euident demonstration before by their owne testimonies that it is soe far from truth or apparance thereof that the pope is Antichrist or the papall church his Sinagoge that they haue proued that church to bee the true church of Christ and the Pope to bee the true lawfull vicar of Christ supreame heade of his holy catholicke Church on earth and to whome all Christians in the worlde doe owe obedience in religeous busines Therefore these protestants by their owne published and priuiledged writing haue denyed God And Christ Iesus is not the true Messias by their doctrine Then noe meruayle though D. Feild D. Willet Feild l. 3. e 3 p. 139. will Antil p. 13. Poâ—ell l de Artichrist p. 494 c. apud parkes pa. sect 23. M. Powell and others deny the virginitie of our ladie for shame I omitt their vnseemely wordâ— and others write Dauid is still in hell to this day when they teach that Christ delyuered none from thence neither is the Messias Yett other protestants sette all men at libertie to beleeue and lyue as they list to bee turkes Iewes pagans or whatsoeuer for they shall all bee saued not withstanding by Christ whome they haue these dishonored and denyed The words of the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey c. bee these The english protestants Suru of coÌ„ B pa. 119. teache that Christ hath actually and effectually redeemed all men whatsoeuer Therefore by them all men turkes Iewes pagans c. must needs bee saued because an act and effect acted and effected cannot bee vnacted or vneffected M. Wotton seing how other protestants had ouerthrowne the lawe and Religion of Christ laboureth for himselfe likewise to euacuate the promise to Abraham and the lawe of Moyses and leaue all mankinde in originall syn contracted from Adam and writeth thus Circumcision was not prouided for remedie of originall WottoÌ„ def of perk pag. 447. sinne any more then for actuall neither did it remedie the one or the other The like heresies and detestable errors publickly printed and priuiledged amonge them as alsoe their Authors and mayntayners are too many to bee alleadged therefore to giue some coniecture of the rest I will propose one Doctor and Professor of diuinitie in their church a man highly commended in protestants iudgment whoe to omitt all other his bookes and erroneous places in them in one onely place of his publickly warranted and priuiledged Antilogie This professor Doctor Willet writeth thus Tyndalls Willet Antil pag. 203 opinioÌ„s are sounde good
dostrine as hee propouâ—ded them and M. Foxe maintaineth them Some of them as they were propounded by Tyndall Foxe to 2. mon. in Tyndall first edition and maintayned by Foxe doe followe in these words The lawe maketh vs to hate God It is vnpossible for vs to consent to the will of God The lawe requireth vnpossible thinges of vs. Speaking of maÌ„ he speaketh thus Christ is in thee thou in him knitt together vnseperably neither cast thou bee daÌ„ned except Christ be daÌ„ned with thee neither can Christ bee saued except thou bee saued with him Euery man is Lord of other mens goods I am bounde to loue the Turke with all my might and power yea and aboue my power There is noe worke better then an other to please God to make water to was he dishes to bee a Sowter or an Apostle all is one to washe dishes and to preache is all one touching the deed to please God To worshipp God otherwise then to beleeue that hee is Iust and true in his promises is to make God an I dâ—ll God moued the hartes of the Egiptians to hate the people likewise hee moued kings Paule was of higher Authoritie then Peter Yf S. Paule were alyue I would compare my selfe to S. Paule and bee as good as hee The children of faithe are vnder noe lawe God bindeth vs to that which is vnpossible for vs to accomplishe synne cannot condemne vs. Soe longe as the Successors of the Apostles were persecuted and martyred there were good christian men and noe longer All these and other such damnable positions are mayntayned in one place of this protestant Doctors booke dedicated to his maiestie appoynted to bee written by their Archbishop D. Bancroft and published with common priuiledge Wherevppon and from such like proceedings the protestant Author of the booke named Aduertisement speaking of the errors of this their english protestant Religion writeth thus Millions of millions runne to eternall flames Christianitie is denyed in England by Aduertisemâ—â—t An. 1604. publicke Authoritie Of other their heresies hellish errors and damnable deuises against the authoritie Regâ—ll and cyuill power of Princes and such morall affaires I will entreate hereafter in the meane time I add these protestant positions registred by M. Ormerod in these Ormerod dial 1. wordes All synnes are equall it is as greate a synne to doe any seruile worke vppon the sabboth day as to doe murther and committ adultery it is as greate a synne to throwe a boulâ— on the sabboath day as to kill a man It is as greate a syn to kill a mans cocke as to kill his Seruant Their Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson setteth BilsoÌ„ Suru pag. 467. downe other their straunge errors in this maner the protestants cleare not Christ from synne it was rife in the pulpitts and vsuall in Catechismes that the death of Christ Iesus on the Bils prâ—f sup crosse and his blood shâ—dd for the remission of our syns were the leaste cause and meane of our Redemption And reciting further these protestants p. 466. 474. def pag. 126 122. Bilson sup pa. 490 def p. 134. Bils p. 496. 486. def pa. 131. 136 Bils p. 497. 503. def pa. 137. 138. Bils p. 515. def pa. 141. Bils p. 517. def pag. 142. Parkes epis dedicat pag. 139. sect 20. Povvell l. de diaphor ep dâ—â—icat Parkes apol epist. dedic doctrines thus relateth them Christs will was contrary to Gods will Christ in his agonie knevv not Gods will Christ was forsaken both in bodie soule Christ suffered hell Torments Christ suffered the paynes of hell Christ suffered the death of the soule the death of the soule is such paynes and sufferings of Gods wrathe as allwayes accompanie them that are seperated from the grace and loue of God God did forsake Christ Thus our most blessed Sauiour Redeemer of mankinde consequently both Christians and all mankinde is damned with him by these blasphemous protestaÌ„ts M. Parkes hath told vs that the parson of Christ is prophanely irreligeously spoken of the scripture is falsefyed to fasteÌ„ blasphemie vpon Christ heauen hell the diuinity humanity yea the verie soule and saluation of Christ our Sauiour himselfe is called in questioÌ„ M. Powell hath published with publicke allowaÌ„ce in his booke printed by Robert Barker the kings printer this doctrine To holde that Christ was a lawe maker is an insolent pseudographema false scripture M. Parkes againe complaineth thus The Creede it selfe which hath allwayes beene the verie badge and Cognizance vvhereby to discerne and know the faithfull from vnbeleeuers Christians from heathens and Catholicks from hereticks is the mayne point in questioÌ„ Which is coÌ„firmed by their Bishop Barlowe in his sermon before the kinge Barl â—erm septem 21 An 1606. in these wordes The whelps of those beasts are multiplied vvith vs in England of which S. Paule speaketh 1. Cor. 15. 32. vvhich made a lest of the soules immortalitiâ— and the bodies resurrestion Therefore seing these bee the moste materiall D. George Abb. against D. Hill p. 101. essentiall and fundamentall points in Religion and their present protestant Archbishop hath peremptorily told vs. protestants and puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance wee all ioyne in all materiall points of saluation and noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary And Povvell ag epis apol pag. 52. M. Powell saith Hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall points they are all guiltie of these heresies The 7. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust recusancie is Because English protestants by their owne writings are Scismaticks FVRTHER that these english protestants are Scismaticks and soe by that title alsoe not to bee communicated with in spirituall things is manifest by that which is written before and more directly in this order followinge Noe Scismaticks are to bee communicated with in Religeous matters But the protestants of England by their owne testimonies are Scismaticks Therefore not to bee communicated with in such busines The maior proposition is euidently true and before graunted by these protestans for this time I will therefore onely cite their Bishop of Peterborough D. Doue his words bee these This proposition noe hereticks nor Scismaticks are to bee communicated Doue persuas pag. withall is vndoubtedly true because it is grounded vppon scripture c. The minor proposition that english protestants bee Scismaticks is proued by this their owne definition of Scisme published by D. Feild in this maner Scisme is a Feild l. 3. c. 5. pa. 70. breache of the vnitie of the churche the vnitie of the church consisteth in three things First the subiection of the people to their lawfull pastors Secondly the connexion and communion wich many particular churches and the pastors of them haue amonge themselues Thirdly in holdinge the same Rule of faith Then if Scisme is a breache of the vnitie of the church and this vnitie consisteth in three things and
soe by breakinge any of them Scisme is contracted if I shall but onely proue they haue broken this vnitie in one they are proued Scismaticks by their owne proceedings But to proue them to bee in the highest degree of Scisme I will make demonstration that they are guiltie in breakinge all these vnities And first concerninge their first vnitie of subiection to lawfull Pastors I argue thus At the begynning of protestancie either the pastors of the Romane church namely the Pope when they reuolted from him were true pastors or not if they were not then their pretended ordination and Episcopalitie from thence is voyde if they were their true pastors then they are Scismaticks for their reuolt and disobedience vnto him Secondly I proue yt thus euery church not clayminge to bee supreame the superior mother or commaunding church and yett submitting yt selfe and obedient vnto none is scismaticall for not to obey a lawfull superior Pastor is scisme and their Bishop Barlowe hath told vs before that maioritie of Bishops is Barl. serm Sept. 21. 1606. an apostolicall tradition in all the vvorlde enacted for succedinge posteritie a canon or constitution of the vvhole Trinitie Therefore the english protestant church neuer clayminge this maioritie aboue others and yett obstinately repugnant and disobedient to that which euer had this Maioritie which as is proued by them before is the Romane church must needs bee scismaticall Thirdly D. Feild and these his protestants Feild l. 4. â—â— 5 p 202. haue assured vs That amonge those different degrees of obedience which wee must yeeld to them that commaunde and teache vs in the church of God wee must more especially respest the church of Rome then Catholicke Doctors the authoritie of catholicke Bishops or other churches though apoâ—â—olicke Therefore the english protestants soe willfully and maliciously disobedient and contumelious vnto yt are Scismaticks by their owne iudgment Secondly concerning his second vnitie whose breach maketh Scisme and is as hee saith The connexion and Communion vvhich many particular Feild l. 3. pag 70. sup churches and pastors of tâ—â—m haue amongâ— themselues The english protestants haue not communion or connexion with any either true or pretended churche in the worlde in their cheefest poynts of connexion communion or coordination as namely in their pretended Bishops and the manner of making them in Rulinge their congregation in the temporall princes supreamacie c. Therefore by breach of this vnitie alsoe they are Scismaticks by their owne Rule For Confirmation whereof D. Couell setteth downe the doctrine of other protestant churches in these words there is noâ— Couell def of Hook pa. 33. church where the gouernment by elders or presbytery wanteth this being as essentiall as either the Worde or sacraments And the protestant Author of the booke called Suruey writeth thus The Suru of comm B. pag. 24. english churches differ from all other reformed churches That they differ from the Romane and all other churches they willingly acknowledge therefore they are Scismaticks by their owne Censure For here wee see that there is noe true and reall connexion and communion of the english protestant congregation or pretended Pastors Bishops or ministerie with any either true or pretended church catholicke or protestant reformed or not reformed pastors presbyterie or whatsoeuer they will terme them in all the world And by this alsoe it is euident that they are Scismaticks by breakinge the third protestant vnitie In holdinge the same Rule of faith for these english protestants agreing with noe other church true or false in the Rule of faith as before must needs be Scismaticks alsoe by this title And soe moste notorious in this offence of scisme hauinge obstinately dissolued all christian vnities by their owne confession Further I argue thus whosoeuer by mayntayninge their sect or faction in Religion are forced to such absurdities that by the testimonies of their owne Brethren in Religion they make themselues and all of their doctrine to bee Scismaticks are to bee esteemed such But the english protestants are in this case therefore Scismaticks by their owne sentence The maior proposition is euident And the minor alsoe proued by them before and now breefely in this maner The protestant authors of the offer of Conference supposing that the english parlament protestants will defend their proceedings as they doe write in these words They cannot see how possibly by the Rules of diuinitie Offer of Conference pag. 11. tâ—e seperation of our churches from the church of Rome and from the Pope supreame heade thereof can bee iustified Then by their owne Rules before they are scismaticks which the same protestants protest expressely in this maner They protest to all the world that the Pope and the câ—urch of Rome and in them God and Christ sup pag. 16. Iesus himselâ—e haue had greate wronge and indignitie offered vnto them and that all the protestant churches are scismaticâ—ll in â—orsakinge vnitie and communion with them Which is further confirmed by an other of their reformed brethren though writinge somewhat later then my sixe yeares limitation whoe speaketh in this order As wee haue saide vnto you called Brounists soe DeclaratioÌ„ of the misterie of iniquitie An. 1612. pag. 156. wee say to England and to the presbytery holdinge of the Pope and that profession as you doâ— Then haue you of England and all the nations of the earthe synned grâ—ately to seperate from Rome in that you were all of one bodie and members one of an other and being beleâ—uers in Christ Iesus they are your brethren and ought not to seperate from Rome as you haue done If you of England and the presbyterie and you called Brouniâ—â—s did make any conscience to walke by the Rules of Christs â—erein you â—ould not walâ—e towards Rome as you doe Againe I argue in this maner whosoeuer are â—ither by themselues or others that bee in their opinion learned and consenting with them in all essentiall and materiall points condemned and censured to bee Scismaticks are to bee adiudged and auoyded as such in spirituall communications But these english protestants both parlamentaries and puritanes are in this state Therefore to bee as such adiudged and forsaken in Religeous communications The maior is euidently true because to bee in Scisme which excludeth forth of the true church out of which by these protestants before there is noe hope of saluation is a point both materiall and essentiall in Religion The minor proposition is proued by these protestants and puritanes mutually condemning themselues their essentially agreing brethren to bee scismaticks First their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury D. Bancroft then of London in their publick Conference before the kinge calleth them scismaticks yt is thus recorded for action by their Bishop Barlowe in these wordes CoÌ„fereÌ„ce at Hampton Court p. 26. The Bishop of London kneelinge downe moste humbly desired his maiestie that the auntient Canon might bee remembred which saith that
Scismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Scismaticks are not to bee hard against Bishops M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this maner Ormer dial 2. They peâ—seuer in inueterate and olde Scisme which by the auntient fathers and protestants alsoe maketh heresie Therefore protestants are both scismaticks and hereticks M. Powell himselfe Povvell cons pa 11. 16 19. pag. 25. 35. 48. 52. a puritane writeth thus of them They are Scismaticall they are in scisme thâ—â—r caâ—e is â—â—ismaticall they haue pâ—anaticall giddinâ—s Sciâ—mes factions and innouation thâ—â— are soâ—ers â—f sâ—diâ—ion scisme and faction they are scismaticks they are guiltie of scisme M Parkes calleth them Scismaticall hereticall and sacriledgeous they are Parkes Apol â—pist ded headstronge in Scisme and hardened in error How the puritane protestants vppon the groundes of our english protestants haue condemned all protestaÌ„t churches to be scismatical against the church and Pope of Rome is related before and the protestant author of the Cert consid An. 1565. â—p dedicat booke named certaine considerations giueth this testimonie The protestants of England syn against God in their proceedings their Religion is sedâ—tious a sect Scisme it is much like to an euill herbe or vveâ—de vvhich if it bee not speedely rooted vp but suffered to spreade vvill soone ouerspreade the gardons of God vvitâ— vice and impietie as there will scarce beâ— any roume left for vertue and pietie And D. Couell a man of best temper in writing amonge them speaketh thus of Couell exâ—â— pag. 139. their english protestants The scismes and diuisions amongst vs haue made a number renounce their office Then if the protestant Ministers themselues haue thus obserued themselues to bee in Scismes and therevppon renounced their office and communion Catholickâ— may not now begyn to communicate with them thus by themselues condemned for Scismaticks The 8. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the publicke protestant Seruice at which they refuse to bee present and communicate in is false hereticall iustely condemned and damnable by their owne doctrine NOw to come to their preteÌ„ded church seruice it selfe at which because Catholicks moste iustely as before refuse to bee present and for such Recusancie or Refusall are moste vniustly and aboue the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious syns excepting treasons and matters of state punished and afflicted being conteyned in that their soe called Communion Booke or Booke of common prayers I argue thus Noe man may communicate with Hereticks and Scismaticks especiallie in prayers and publicke seruice not onely inuented and vsed without the allowance of the true and lawfull pastors but directly opposite and repugnant to the highest spirituall authoritle and iurisdiction But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this case Therefore not to bee communicated with in such prayers and seruice Secondly I argue thus noe new deuised order of prayer deuised by consortinge vnto and in it selfe conteyninge and approuinge a Religion contrary to holy scriprures both the written and vnwritten word of God generall Councells decrees and doctrine of the primatiue Popes and fathers and to all churches of Christendome both present and heretofore derogatorie both to the triumphant militant and patient church of Christ where â—ll sacraments and instruments of grace either are absolutely denyed oâ— soe vnduely and prophanely vsed that all grâ—ce by them is taken away from the lyuinge from them that die from Cleargie from laitie for the maried vnmaryed olde younge Ritch and pore and where there is not true ministery nor church to haue any hope of saluation in may bee communicated withall especially if these moste greuous and enormeous absurdities and inconueniences bee proued and made apparant by the cheife professors themselues of such a supposed Religion But the lamentable case and condition of these english protestants as is demonstratiuely proued by them befor is such as is her recited Therfore their seruice not to be communicated with vnder moste damnable and desperate syn Thirdly I argue in this maner whatsoeuer seruyce rite of sacraments or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England Scotland Fraunce c. to bee foolish trifelinge and by reason apparant to bee disallowed and yett was deuised and allowed by the onely authoritie of an vnlearned childe kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth a woman not onely repugnant vnto the publicke approued office of our mother and commaundinge church the church of Rome but different from the custome of all protestant churches may not bee communicated withall But the english protestant Seruice and booke of common prayer is such by these protestants themselues Therfore by them not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for the seruice that should bee soe receaued by any particular and not commaunding church as the english is not against the vse order and doctrine of all other churches true or pretended must needs bee both scismaticall and hereticall The minor proposition is thus proued first that the english protestant seruice is repugnant vnto the publicke seruice of the latine greeke Armenian other auntient churches it is euident by their liturgies Masses litanies c. conteining the doctrines Miss S. Iacobi Chrisâ— Basil Aethiopum Mussarob Gregor c Couell against Burg pag. 69. of transsubstantiation prayer to Saints for the deade c. how it differeth from other protestant churches and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them is thus proued by protestants them selues First D. Couell writeth in these words The protestant Bishop of London Ridley a cheefe martyr with M. Foxe wrote vnto M. Grindall after their protestant Arâ—hbishop of Canterbury that a man of witâ— and learninge may finde to make apparant reasons against the booke of common prayer Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomartyr practizing that Booke and seruice against witt and learninge was either vnlearned and wittles or without Religion grace and conscience or both as others succeding vnto him bee by his Censure and such Booke and seruice not to bee communicated with And to shew that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley was not singular but common amonge those first protestants he writeth thus in another treatise The first protestants of this kingdome in a letter Couell â—xaÌ„ pag. 72. subscribed with eleuen of their hands whereof Knoxe Gilby Whittingam Goodman were foure moste of them suerly hauing both learninge iudgment call the english protestant Ceremonies trifles and superfluous Ceremonies From whence I first conclude that their seruice soe censured with soe many learned and iudicious men as this protestant esteemeth them may not bee communâ—cated with Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and seruice to bee new against all former churches and ages and soe hereticall For hee calleth those Censurers of the communion Booke first deuised vnder kinge Edward 6. The first protestants of this kingdome Therefore this their
offer yt any violence to frame it to an imagined conceit and to drawe it to an idle purpose Then noe meruaile if the Ignorant bee deceaued and seduced by such writers and preachers when noe Catholicke may bee suffered to write or speake against them though they haue by all meanes they can make moste humbly fought for equall Audience which the Protestant Author of the Relation of the state of Religion in some sort insinuateth in these words Catholicks crye maynely in all places Relation of Religion cap. 29. for triall by disputation thus did Campion many yeares since with vs Tâ—is â—s I passed tâ—râ—ughe Turricke did the Cardinall Andrea of Constance and his Iesuites not longe before the same was done to them of Geneuâ— and vâ—rye lately the Capuchins renwed the challâ—ndge Yett none will bee accepted nor other answeare returned but such sermons writings as wee haue related before and M. Ormerod describeth in thes words Ormer pict purit supr l. prefat in postscript diuers bookes printed against the papists are as fitt for the fyer as the conâ—uringe bookes ca. 19. Act. ver 19 and the publishers of such phantasticall bookes should bee hanged Bookâ—s are written by protestants and suffered to bee published which bee a greate disgrace to protestant Religion Besides their argument of persecution remembred by the same author in the name of protestants in this maner The Clinâ—e tâ—e Gatehouse the Ormer pict purit g. 1. white lyon and the fâ—â—ete haue beâ—nâ— protestants onely Arguments whereby they haue proued their cause those many yeares Hee might haue added moste bloodie rigorous and iniurious edicts Tortures penalties arraigmâ—nts iudgments executions c. And yett they haue gayned noe more then Iulian and other persecutors haue done Gods Auger vnto themselues and glorie and euerlastinge renounce vnto Catholicks for such sufferings registred by their owne protestant writer a man of greate witt worthe and place amonge them in these words The sufferings Relation of Religion cap. 31. and martirdomes of english Catholicks in these time are recompted to the height of Neroes Dioclesians persecutions and the sufferers of their side bothe in meritts of cause in extreamitie of Torments and in constancie and patiâ—nce to the renouned Martyrs of that heroicall church age Thus this protestant relateth the iudgment of forreyne nations concerninge english protestant persecutions towards their contry Catholicks The 10. particular protestant demonstration is Because these protestants contrarye to the nature of true beleeuers and the true church by their owne doctrine are by their owne testimonies alsoe generally moste vile wicked impious and gracelesse people MY next protestant demonstration shall bee taken from their lyues maners and behauiour Befor which I sâ—ppose the common doctrine of these protestants That good â—orkes and true faith cannot bee separated testified not onely by D. Willet D. Feild M. Thomas Rogers Willet Antilog p. 207 Feild Rogers pa. 55. pa. 56. Articles of ReligioÌ„ art 12 and others but alsoe by their highest authorised articles in these words Good workes doe springe out necessarily of a true and liuely faith in soe much that by them a liuely faith may bee as euidently knowne as a tree discerned by the fruite Therefore seing there is as they tell vs an euident and necessarie coniunction of these they cannot bee seperated which M. Rogers would not onely proue by scriptures in this maner Rogers sup cil Matth. 7. 16 Math. 3. 12 Ihon 13. 35 luk 6. 36. Eph. 1. 1. 1. Ihon 3. 10 CoÌ„fess Helu 2. ca. 16. Basil ar 8. Bohem. c. 7. Gal. ar 22. Belg. 24. Saxon. ar 3 WitteÌ„b c. 7 Sueu c. 4. Powell l. 2. Antichrist p. 474. 476. The scripture saith and sheweth that by good workes are knowne the good trees from the bâ—dd the wheate from the chaffe the true disciples from the false the sonnes of God from the children of Sathan the regeneratâ— from the vnbeleeuers Hereticks vnto the Saincts and churches doe subscribe And citeth the protestant Confessions of Heluetia Basile Bohemia Fraunce Belgia Wittemberge Sueuia for thie subscription and doctrine To these I add an other receaued doctrine of protestants of the certayntie of their being in true faith grace and to bee predestinate entreated before and soe confidently taught that M. Powell calleth it blasphemye to deny yt his words bee these It is blasphemous doctrine to say as the church of Rome doth that saith is onely in generall propositions as hee that keepeth the commaundements shall enter into life and hee that bâ—leâ—ueth and is baptized â—hall bee saued and not in these particulars I shall enter into life I shall bee saued or my synnes are forgiuen Then if as before by their doctrine true faith and good workes are euidently and necessarilie conioyned to gether and vnseperable it is blasphemous by true consequence to say that a man or men or church wantinge good workes by their owne confession and alsoe ouerwhelmed with euill workes and all kinde of syns and iniquities haue true faith true Religion or church or shall bee saued wherevppon I argue thus Noe men societie or Congregation conuicted by their owne testimonies to bee â—ereticks which want true faithe can haue those things that are in their iudgment vnseperable from yt which bee good workes But these english protestants as is proued before by them selues are in this case Therefore they haue not good workes Therefore not the true church Therefore not to bee communicated with in Religeous busines All things in this argument are proued before and confessed by these protestants Againe I argue in this maner noe men infected and defiled with such euill works as depryue and leaue men destitute of grace can haue good workes done by grace and in grace But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this condition Therfore they haue not good workes of grace The maior is euidently true for to haue grace and not to haue grace are contradictories Therefore if it bee true that protestants haue not grace it is false to say that they haue grace The minor proposition is manifestly proued before in that protestants are proued by themselues to bee Scismaâ—icks vsurpers in Religion prophane lyers dissemblers feducers c. which being mortall and damnable fyns must needs depryue them of grace and leaue them gracelesse For as they conclude in their Conference euery Conferencâ— pag. 41. greuous synne depriueth of grace and iustification their proposition there is this whosoeuer though before iustified did commit any greuous syn as adultery murther treason or the like did become ipso facto subiect to Gods wrathe and guiltiâ— of damnation quoad prasentem statum vntill they did repent Therefore protestants by these their owne doctrines haue neither good workes nor good beleife or faithe And soe not to bee communicated with in such busines of Religion And from this soe generally receaued protestant doctrine of England Heluetia Basile Bohemia Gallia Belgia Saxonia Wittemberge that
ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of â—ngland there is noe difference or dissâ—nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georgâ— Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestanâ—s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating wâ—th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this â—erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fiâ—st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thingeâ— either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exaÌ„ â—a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. â—ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exaÌ„ of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref â—pist apoloâ—â—tic pag. â—5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie Tâ—at wee may not communiâ—ate â—ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aunâ—iâ—nt Christian Empâ—rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited noâ— man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and laâ—ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of Râ—me in which the Bishop thereof exaltâ—d himselfe was not withstandingâ— the true câ—urch of God that is helâ— a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee tâ—â— family of â—hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it â—â— straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there iâ— noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name lâ—sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one â—arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many