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A94222 Reasons shewing that there is no need of such a reformation of the publique 1. Doctrine. 2. Worship. 3. Rites & ceremonies. 4. Church-government. 5. Discipline. As it is pretended by reasons offered to the serious consideration of this present Parliament, by divers ministers of sundry counties in England. By H.S. D.D. Chaplain to his Majestie in ordinary. H. S. (Henry Savage), 1604?-1672. 1660 (1660) Wing S762; Thomason E1043_7; ESTC R202300 19,132 32

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Commination to be used divers times in the year taken out of Deut. 27. I answer That that place is a type of the day of Judgement that as all the People were to say Amen at their entrance into the earthly Canaan to the curses denounced against the wicked So all the Saints at their entrance into the heavenly Canaan are to say Amen that is to aprove of the condemnation of them for the Saints shall thus judge the earth To avoid which condemnation hereafter it imports us to condemn our selves here Now men are apt to justifie rather then to judge themselves and so escape the condemnation of the world For such therefore is this Commination necessary that hereby they may be brought to acknowledge their sins to repent of them and require Absolution from them That Discipline in stead whereof this Commination is used is noted in the beginning hereof If therefore they like not this they may do well to endeavour the restoring of that But they except further against the denunciation made by Ministers as unlawfull Whereunto I answer That the Ministers of the Gospel may and must sometimes presse the curses of the Law and the judgements of God denounced against sinners to the end that thereby they may be moved to flye to Christ as their onely Sanctuary and so escape the judgement to come And hereof we have an Example given in that very place For though they are pleased to say that Levi was none of them that were appointed to curse yet vers 14. we find the Levites to be the onely men that were appointed to curse 'T is true that at that particular time Levi was one of those that were set upon Mount Gerezim to blesse yet Levites and none else were charged with the ordinary denunciation of curses for the future as a service specially incumbent on them which is point blanck against the Authors and proves for us the quite contrary to what they endeavour to infer Of Rites and Ceremonies THey begin here with Ceremonies taken away 5 6 Edw. 6. complaining of the restoring them again partly by the Canons of 1603. partly by corrupt practice The thing they chiefly aym at as they professe is to shew the necessity of reforming those Rites and Ceremonies conteyned in the book of Common Prayer or enjoyned by the Canons of 1603. the consideration of the Canons for the present they defer The Book of Common Prayer they deny to be established by Law because no Record can be produced by which that Book now in use or priuted 1 Eliz. is by Act of Parliament ratified and confirmed Answ. That all I can say to this is that this is the book that hath been so long received and used and this is the book that is warranted by the Kings Proclamation printed before it And I doubt not but the Testimony of the King will in Law being for the affirmative too preponderate the testimonies of many other But since they undertake to shew the necessity of reforming the Book they must shew some reason in the things themselves therein conteyned which require it And this they endeavour to make good from the nature of them taking it for granted that they are {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} or things indifferent saying that those ought not to be imposed on such as cannot be perswaded in their owne minds that they are lawfull because to them it will be sin according to St. Pauls own Doctrine to his Corinthians Rom. 14. Answ. That if they be granted to be indifferent then they are made necessary by the intervention of humane authority As for those that cannot be fully perswaded in their own minds the Proclamation hath provided that they be born with for a time and no more is intended by St. Paul who never dreamt that that superstitious conceit of the uncleanness of some meats should remain to the end of the World Since the Conference at Hampton-Court there hath been time enough to cosinder of the indifferency of Ceremonies and the learned Authors of this Offer have had time enough to instruct and convince the weak amongst them in and of the indifferency which they grant to be in them Should Doctrine Liturgy Rites Ordination Episcopacy Discipline be laid aside till all men be agreed we must never expect any whilst the world stands 4. Of Church-government HEre they except against Episcopacy as not being Jure Divino because erected by the Kings of England Answ. That if Episcopacy be jure Divino in the Catholique Church it must be so in the Church of England which is a part of it The Kings of England are no Fathers of the Church so as to beget the Church but they are as well as other Kings the nursing Fathers to the Churches in their Dominions They allow them Nurseries to live in appennage to live upon and freedome of exercising their Government in which sense they are the Erectors of Episcopacy in England And if this erection be legall why need it a further confirmation by Law But they descend to the parts of Government and therein 1. Of the Consecration of Bishops and their power of Ordination thereupon 1. THey except against those that say that where there is no Dean and Chapter to choose and no Archbishop to Consecrate there can be legally and regularly no succession of Bishops Answ. The Archbishops Deans and Chapters c. being of Ecclesiasticall and Civill constitution it must follow of necessity that there can be no legall which respects the Civill power nor regular or Canonicall succession which regards the Ecclesiastical state and condition of them without Deans and Chapters and Archbishop 2. Exception is That Episcopacy hath been lately insisted upon not onely to be an office of Precedency and Presidency above other Presbyters and Ministers but also a distinct and specificall order by Divine right superiour to all other Presbyters to exercise such things as none else may meddle with Ans. That this hath been insisted upon and hath been made good by those that have been put upon it by the Presbyterians their adversaries herein decrying them as Popish and having no other bottom to stand upon besides Ecclesiastical constitution and civill Connivance till they enforced them to leave this hold and flye to one more impregnable that is to say the Scripture Impregnable I say for if our Saviour did appoint any Regimen Ecclesiae at all it may be undenyably proved out of the Scripture that it was to be seated in a single person The same Text or Texts that prove the one will make good the other a thing which hath been done within this nine or ten years at Oxford in the Vespers but was not then nor ever since hath been answered 3. Oh but say they Linwood himselfe our great English Canonist saith expresly that Episcopatus non est Ordo and our book of Ordination tacitely implyeth as much Answ. That this Tacitely is well put in yea but it doth more