these is the Case of S r Samuel Saltonstall It is Hill 12. Iacob He was committed to the Fleet per mandatum Domini Regis and besides by the Court of Chauncery for disobeying an order of that Court and is returned upon his habeas Corpus to be therefore detained And it is true that a remittitur is entred in the Roll but it is only a remittitur prisonae predict without quousque secundum legem deliberatus fuerit And in truth it appeares in the Record that the Court gave the Warden of the Fleet 3 severall dayes at severall times to amend his Return and in the interim remittitur prisonae predict still Certainly if the Court had thought that the Return had been good they would not have given so many severall dayes to have amended it For if that mandatum Domini Regis had been sufficient in the Case why needed it to have been amended The ninth and last of these is Trinit 13. Iacob Rot. 71. the Case of the said S r Samuel Saltonstall He is returned by the Warden of the Fleet as in the Case before and generally remittitur as in the Roll which proves nothing at all that therefore the Court thought he might not by Law be enlarged and besides in both Cases he stood committed also for disobeying an order in Chauncery These are all that have been pretended to the contrary in this great point and upon the view of them thus opened to your Lordships it is plain that there is not one not so much as one at all that proveth any such thing as that persons committed by the Command of the King or of the Lords of the Councell without cause shewed might not be enlarged but indeed the most of them expresly prove rather the contrary Now my Lords having thus gone through the Presidents of Record that concern this point of either side before I come to the other kind of Presidents which are the solemn resolution of Judges in former times I shall as I am commanded by the House of Commons represent unto your Lordships somewhat else that they have thought very considerable with which they have met while they were in a most carefull enquirie of whatsoever concerned them in this great Question It is my Lords a draught of an Entry of a Judgement in that great Case lately adjudged in the Court of Kings Bench when divers Gentlemen imprisoned per speciale mandat Domini Regis were by the Award and Judgement of the Court after solemn debate sent back to Prison because it was expresly said that they could not in Justice deliver them though they prayed to be bailed The case is famous and well known to your Lordships therefore I need not further mention it And as yet indeed there is no Judgement entred upon the Roll but there is room enough for any kind of Judgement to be entred But my Lords there is a form of a Judgement a most unusuall one such a one as never was in any such Case before used for indeed there was never before any Case so adjudged and this drawn up by a chief Clark of that Court by direction of M r Attorney Generall as the House was informed by the Clark in which the reason of the Judgement and the remanding of those Gentlemen is expressed in such sort as if it should be declared upon Record for ever that the Law were that no man could be enlarged from imprisonment that stood committed by any such absolute command The draught is only in S r Iohn Henningham's Case being one of the Gentlemen that was remanded and it was made for a form for all the rest The words of it are after the usuall Entrie of a Curia advisur vult for a time that visis return predict nec non diversis antiquis Recordis in Curia hic remanent consimiles casus concernentibus maturaque deliberatione inde prius habita eo quod nulla specialis causa captionis five detentionis predict Johannis exprimitur sed generaliter quod detentus est in prisona predict per speciale mandatum Domini Regis ideo predictus Johannes remittitur perfato Custodi Marr. hospitii predict salvo custodiend quousque c. that is quousque secundum legem deliberatus fuerit And if that Court which is the highest for ordinary Justice cannot deliver him secundum legem what Law is there I beseech you my Lords that can be sought for in any other inferiour Court to deliver him Now my Lords because this draught if it were entred in the Roll as it was prepared for no other purpose would be a great declaration contrary to the many Acts of Parliament already cited contrary to all Presidents of former times and to all reason of Law to the utter subversion of the chiefest Liberty and Right belonging to every Free-man of the Kingdome and for that especially also it supposeth that divers ancient Records had been looked into by the Court in like Cases by which Records their Judgements were directed whereas in truth there is not one Record at all extant that with any colour not so much indeed as with any colour warrants the Judgement therefore the House of Commons thought fit also that I should with the rest that hath been said shew this draught also to your Lordships I come now to the other kind of Presidents that is solemn Resolutions of Judges which being not of Record remain only in authentick Copies But of this kind there is but one in this Case that is a resolution of all the Judges in England in the time of Queen Elizabeth It was in the foure and thirtieth yeare of her reign when divers persons had been committed by absolute command and delivered by the Justices of one Bench or the other whereupon it was desired that the Judges would declare in what Cases persons committed by such Command were to be enlarged by them The resolution hath been variously cited and variously apprehended The House of Commons therefore desiring with all care to enforme themselves as fully of the truth of it as possibly they might got into their hands from a member of their House a book of selected Cases collected by a learned and reverend Chief Justice of the Common Pleas that was one of them that gave the Resolution which is entred at large in that book I mean the Lord Chief Justice Anderson It is written in that book in his own hand as the rest of the book is And however it hath been cited and was cited in that great Judgement given upon the habeas Corpus in the King's Bench as if it had been that upon such commitments the Judges might not baile the prisoners yet it is most plain that in the resolution it self no such thing is contained but rather expresly the contrary I shall better represent it to your Lordships by reading it then by opening it Then it was read If this Resolution doth resolve any thing it doth indeed upon the matter resolve fully the
have declared a man to be irreprieveable when he is committed by the Command of the King if the Law-makers had conceived that his commitment had been unlawfull And Divine truth informs us that the Kings have their power from God the Psalmist calling them the children of the most High which is in a more special manner understood then of other men for all the Sons of Adam are by election the Sons of God and all the Sons of Abraham by recreation or regeneration the Children of the most High in respect of the power which is committed unto them who hath also furnished them with ornaments and arms fit for the exercising of that power and hath given them Scepters Swords and Crowns Scepters to vestitute and Swords to execute Laws and Crowns as Ensigns of that power and dignity with which they are invested shall we then conceive that our King hath so far transmitted the power of his Sword to inferiour Magistrates that he hath not reserved so much Supream power as to commit an Offender to prison 10. H. 6. fol. 7. It appears that a Steward of a Court Lect may commit a man to prison and shall not the King from whom all inferior power is deduced have power to commit We call him the fountain of Justice yet when these streams and rivolets which flowe from that Fountain come fresh and full we would so far exhaust that Fountain as to leave it dry but they that will admit him so much power do require the expression of the cause I demand whether they will have a general cause alleadged or a special if general as they have instances for Treason Fellony or for Contempt for to leave fencing and to speak plainly as they intend it If loan of money should be required and refused and thereupon a commitment ensue and the cause signified to be for a contempt this being unequal inconvenience from yielding the remedy is sought for the next Parliament would be required the expression of the particular cause of the commitment Then how unfit would it be for King or Councel in Cases to express the particuler Cause it s easily to be adjudged when there is no State or pollicy of government whether it be Monarchal or of any other frame which have not some secrets of State not communicable to every vulgar understanding I will instance but one If a King imploy an Ambassadour to a Forreign Countrey of States with instructions for his Negotiation and he pursue not his instructions whereby dishonour and dammage may ensue to the Kingdom is not this commitment And yet the particuler of his instruction and the manner of his miscarrying is not fit to be declared to his Keeper or by him to be certified to the Judges where it is to be opened and debated in the presence of a great audience I therefore conclude for offences against the State in Case of State Government the King and his Councel have lawfull power to punish by imprisonment without shewing particuler cause where it may tend to the disclosing of State-Government It is well known to many that know me how much I have laboured in this Law of the Subjects Liberty very many years before I was in the Kings service and had no cause then to speak but to speak ex animo yet did I then maintain and publish the same opinion which now I have declared concerning the Kings Supream power in matters of State and therefore can not justly be censured to speak at this present onely to merit of my Master But if I may freely speak my own understanding I conceive it to be a question too high to be determined by any legal direction for it must needs be an hard case of contention when the Conquerour must sit down with irreparable losses as in this Case If the Subject prevails he gains Liberty but looseth the benefit of that State-Government by which a Monarchie may soon become an Anarchie or if the State prevails it gives absolute Soveraignty but looseth Subjects not their subjection for obedience we must yield though nothing be left us but prayers and tears but yet looseth the best part of them which is their affections whereby Soveraignty is established and the Crown formerly fixt on his Royal head between two such extreams there is not way to moderate but to finde a medium for the accommodation of the difference which is not for me to prescribe but onely to move your Lordships to whom I submit After Mr. Serjeant his speech ended my Lord President said thus to the Gentlemen of the House of Commons That though at this free conference Liberty was given by the Lords to the Kings Councel to speak what they thought fit for his Majesty Yet Mr. Serjeant Ashley had no Authority or direction from them to speak in that manner he hath done M r. NOYE his Argument the 16. of April 1628. HE offered an answer to the inconveniences presented by M r. Attorney which were 4. in Number First where it was objected that it was inconvenient to express the cause for fear of divulging Arcana Imperii for hereby all may be discovered and abundance of Traitors never brought to Justice To this that Learned Man answered That the Judges by the intention of the Law are the Kings Councel and the secrets may safely be committed to all or some of them who might advise whether they will bayl him and here is no danger to King or subjects for their Oath will not permit them to reveal the secrets of the King nor yet to detain the Subjects long if by Law he be to be bayled Secondly for that Objection of the Children of Odonell he laid this for a ground that the King can do no wrong but in Cases of extream necessity we must yield sometimes for preservation of the whole State ubi unius damnum utilitate publica rependitur he said there was no trust in the Children of Traitours no wrong done if they did tabe facere or marcesere in Carcere It is the same Case of necessity as when to avoid the burning of a Town we are forced to pull down an honnest mans House or to compell a man to dwell by the Sea-side for defence or fortitude Yet the King cannot do wrong for potentia juris est non injura Ergo the Act of the King though to the wrong of another is by the Law made no wrong as if he commanded to be kept in Prison yet he is responsal for his wrong he quoted a book 42.6 Ass. Port. Thirdly the instance made of Westminster First he said there was a great difference between those 3. Mainprize Bail and Replevin The Statute saith a man cannot be repleiued Ergo not bayled non sequitur Maniprize under pain Bayl body for body no pain ever in Court to be declared Replevin neither by surety nor bayl of Replevin never in Court the Statute saith a man cannot be Repleiued Ergo not bayled non sequitur Fourthly where it
means left of refuge or defence for if we have these Enemies at home how can we strive with those that are abroad If we be free from these no other can impeach us our antient English virtue that old Sparton valour cleared from these disorders being in sincerity of Religion once made friends with Heaven having maturity of Councels sufficency of Generals Incorruption of Officers opulency in the King Liberty in the People repletion in Treasures restitution of Provisions reparation of Ships preservation of Men. Our Antient English virtue thus rectefied I say will secure us and unless there be a speedy reformation in these I know not what hopes or expectations we may have These things Sir I shall desire to have taken into consideration That as we are the great Councel of the Kingdom and have the apprehension of these dangers we may truely represent them unto the King wherein I conceive we are bound by a treble Obligation of duty unto God of duty to his Majesty and of duty to our Countrey And therefore I wish it may so stand with the wisdom and Judgement of the House that they may be drawn into the body of a Remonstrance and therein all humbly expressed with a prayer unto his Majesty for the safety of himself and for the safetie of the Kingdom and for the safety of Religion That he will be pleased to give us time to make perfect inquisition thereof or to take them into his own wisdom and there give them such timely reformation as the necessity of the cause and his Justice doth import And thus Sr. with a large affection and Loyalty to his Majesty and with a firm duty and service to my Countrey I have suddenly and it may be with some disorder expressed the weak apprehension I have wherein if I have erred I humbly crave your Pardon and so submit to the censure of the House A Report from the COMMITTEE for Trade 4. June 1628. IN all other parts of Christendom there is great care with much cost to raise Forts and walled Towns onely for defence in time of War and great charge to make Engines and Weapons to offend the Enemy of little or no use in time of Peace Whereas in England the Rampires the Bulwarks and Ships and those also for offence of the Enemy our best Weapons are Engines And this also in time of Peace best instruments of our Wealth even as usefull as the Plough or Cart. But our shipping and our strength of Marriners within these three years is much decayed in general But the decay of Trade through disturbance of the Merchant by new Impositions and troubles for want of a certain and well established book of Rate and Bill of Tonnage and Poundage used heretofore to be given for guarding of the Seas By reason that the Seas are not guarded so That our Coasts are infested Our Fishermen driven from their Trade And all our Coasting smaller shipping so disturbed or taken that in all parts of the Kingdom Sea-faring men give over and the Seas are forsaken More particularly THat of our shipping of countenance of 100. Tuns or upwards in the last three years there have been decayed cast away and taken by the Enemy between Dover and New-Castle 248. great ships and with them proportionable number of Marriners besides great and inestimable losses in less Vessels The causes whereof are diverse disorders in the late mannaging of Sea Affairs before the imployment of Ships and Men in his Majesties service FIrst By pressing and taking up Merchants ships laden and bound out upon Voyages Secondly By too frequent and general imbarques of shipping Thirdly By taking out of ships unseasonably and and unreasonable numbers their best men so forcing them ill Mann'd to Winter Voyages c. Fourthly By giving too little allowance of Wages and 2. shill. per Tun for Fraight of ships so taken being but half that which Marchants allow Fifthly By faults of inferior Ministers men and ships discharged after presses or imbarques are put to such charge that all decline not onely the service but the Trade of fishing and Sea-fareing Those that are really prest come far from the West or the North to Chatham early in the year and so with few Cloaths at the end of the Summer nasty and weak infect themselves and others And in the imployment FIrst Are Commanders weak young ignorant Captains c. Secondly Are not provided of good Chirurgeons and extraordinaries necessary for sick men Thirdly Both ships and men contrary to the wisdom of former times are set out in Winter Voyages long and dark nights and in our Northern Seas upon our dangerous Coasts which have consumed a World of our Marriners and discouraged others After the imployment FIrst If the Marriners come home sick no Hospitals or Guest-Houses as in other Countreys to relieve them Secondly If after all their miseries they return well they are forced to sue for their due Wages till all they have is spent Opportunity of new imployment is lost and themselves so discouraged or put out of heart that they either run away to the Enemy or put themselves in forraign service or betake themselves to any thing rather then the Sea life And those whose ships have been taken up 36. Moneths some 30. some 20. some more some less still complain they are not paid the small fraight of 2. shill. per Tun at first promised By this means they have neither Money nor will to repair their ships and none build new almost in any part by reason of their discouragements and those that do build take care to build them unserviceable to avoid pressing or taking up The Remedies proposed in general FIrst That the State would be pleased to give all possible countenance and comfort to all sorts of Merchants and Fishermen both by better guarding of the Seas by settling of the Book of Rates and Customes and duties and by orderly regulating the many affairs according to the wisdom of former times imploying of skilfull and experienced men and more particulerly in allowing the old 5. shill. per Tun to all such as shall build new serviceable ships of 150. Tuns or upwards upon a Certificate made before the Judge of the Admiralty to be duly paid by some Collectors of the Customes without further trouble Secondly To increase the fraight from 2. shill. to 3. shill. per Tun and Tonnage to agree of the measure of Tonnage before the ships go into service that upon return speedy payment may be made by some setled and published assignment Thirdly That all arrearages due to owners of ships and Marriners that have served may be paid out of the subsedies and that a certain course of payment for the future may be established and published His Majesties Message to the House of Commons by the SPEAKER 6. June 1628. WHereas his Majesty understanding that you did conceive his last Message to restrain you in your just Priviledges These are to declare his intention that he had
I conceive it is plain the King and the Law have power to deprive him of his Bishopprick if he deserves the same I think therefore it were good to decline this dispute for the present and to proceed to remove him which we are allowed Tuseday 10. A Bill for Ordering the Government and Plantation of the Summer Islands A Bill to restrain some abuses in Ministers and Magistrates Mr. Rowles complaineth that since his last complaint of the breach of the liberties of this House his Ware-house hath been locked up by one Massey a Pursevant and that yesterday he was called forth from the Committee in the Exchequer-chamber and served with a Subpena to appear in Star-chamber but that since he received a Letter from Mr. Attorney that it was a mistake The Subpena was read but the Letter not suffered to be read Sir Robert Phillips YOu see we are made the Subject of scorn and contempt I conceive this to be a bone thrown by those that have drawn a cloud over our sun our Religion to divert or interrupt us in the prosecution of them I desire the Messenger may be sent for and examined by what procurement this Subpena was taken forth for if we find not out those that throw these scorns upon us it is in vain to sit here Mr. Chancellor of the Dutchie THis proceeds from some great error for I will assure you this never proceeded from King nor Councel I therefore desire it may be searched to the bottom for be confident neither King nor Councel have cast in this as a bone Mr. Selden THis is not to be reckoned an Error for questionless this is to affront us and our own Liberties is the cause of this It is Ordered that Shemington the Messenger that served the Subpena be presently sent for to the House A Committee of six are appointed to see the information in Star-chamber and to examin the same and by whom the same was put in and they have power to send for persons or records that may inform them A general Order agreed on That all the Committees that have power to send for parties shall have power to command any of them as they shall think fit to attend the House at such times as they shall think fit The priviledge of the Merchants that are Planters here may be taken into consideration by this Committee concerning the information in Star-chamber Sheriff Acton called into the Barre as a Delinquent upon his knees saith if he have erred it is through want of memorie and ignorance for he intended not the least dislike or distaste to any Member of the House Mr. Long moved he might be sent to the Tower Sir Francis Seymour THat he may now be referred back to the Committee to be re-examined if then he deal not clearly this House may proceed to further punishment Mr. Selden I Cannot remember when we did commit a Sheriff of London but I remember when the House did commit both the Sheriffs of London to the Tower for an abuse of less nature onely for countenancing of a Serjeant in an Arrest on a Member of Parliament though they did acknowledge their faults at the Barre which this man hath not yet done the Serjeant was sent to Little-ease the person at whose suit he was Arrested was committed to the Fleet and both the Sheriffs to the Tower Mr. Kirton I Came into this House with as good an heart to this man as any man for I was spoken to to stand for him as I came in and I promised to do what favour I could but if he were my brother he should to the Tower Mr. Littleton YOu see the affronts by books by preaching by rumors by being dayly sued with Proces that are put upon us that we are become but a meer Scare-crow the neglect of our dutie is the cause of this it is high time to remedie this or it is in vain to sit here The Sheriff is again called in to the Barre on his knees and is sentenced to the Tower Sir Ben. Ruddiard THere be diverse Recantations Submissions and Sentences remaining on Record in both Universities against Arminianisme that concerning any thing that may conduce to our end the Speakers Letter may be sent to the Vicechancellor for those Records which is Ordered It is Ordered that Worsnam Daws and Garmarthen are to be at the Barre upon Fryday Wednesday 11. MAster Selden reported concerning the Process of the Merchants the Coppie of the Bill brought in and read that the Merchants did Plot Practice and Combine together against the peace of the Kingdom This being conceived to be a business incident to Tonnage and Poundage is Ordered to be referred till to Morrow morning Mr. Selden THat a Report shall be made to morrow of the Examination of the Complaints of the Merchants and the information in the Exchequer may also be brought which was also Ordered Ordered That in respect the Term ends to Morrow and the Assizes is to follow and diverse Members Lawyers may be gone down it is Ordered that none shall be gone without leave of the House It is alsu Ordered That the Speakers Letter be sent for Sir Edward Cook At the Committee for Religion MAster Walter delivered a Petition of the Book-sellers and Printers in complaint of the restraint of books written against Poperie and Arminianisme and the contrarie allowed of by the onely means of the Bishop of London that diverse of them have been so Pursevanted for printing of Orthodox books that the licensing of books is now onely restrained to the Bishop of London and his Chaplains One of the Printers said he tendred diverse books one called The golden Spur to the heavenly Race That Turner one of the Bishop of Londons Chaplains said That if he would put out the point That a man may be certain of his Salvation he would license the same notwithstanding he put out that point yet he could not get the same licensed Mr. Selden The refusing the Licensing of books is no crime but the Licensing of bad books is a crime or the refusing to license books because then writ against Poperie or Arminianisme is a crime There is no Law to prevent the printing of any book in England onely a Decree in Star-chamber therefore that a man should be sued and imprisoned and his goods taken from him is a great Invasion on the Libertie of the Subject moveth a Law to be made upon this This is referred to a select Committee to examin Mr. Shervile REported concerning the Pardons that they have examined Doctor Sibthorp and Cosens Pardons Sibthorp solicited his own Pardon and said he would get the Bishop of Winchester to get the Kings hand to it It is evident that the Bishop of Winchester got the Kings hand to Sibthorp and Cosens Pardons and also Mountagues Pardon was promised by him That Doctor Manwering solicited his own Pardon and the Bishop of Winchester got the Kings hand to it It is likewise said