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these_o or_o the_o like_a reason_n have_v so_o prevail_v with_o sundry_a of_o your_o own_o side_n that_o they_o have_v be_v force_v some_o to_o doubt_n of_o he_o other_o utter_o to_o disclaim_v he_o from_o be_v the_o true_a denys_n aphrod_n praef._n in_o probl._n alex._n aphrod_n theodorus_n caza_n affirm_v those_o book_n of_o the_o hierarchy_n to_o be_v none_o of_o denys_n the_o athenian_n ibid._n in_o act._n 17._o ibid._n erasmus_n also_o profess_v himself_o to_o be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n and_o laurentius_n valla_n say_v that_o the_o learnede_a man_n of_o his_o time_n entitle_v one_o apollinarius_n unto_o they_o cardinal_n cajetan_n not_o only_o say_v it_o 17._o in_o act._n 17._o but_o also_o show_v how_o unlikely_a it_o be_v that_o he_o who_o write_v of_o the_o name_n of_o god_n and_o of_o the_o heavenly_a and_o
bâ—llâ—rmine_n lest_o in_o time_n of_o persecution_n they_o shall_v be_v make_v a_o scorn_n and_o contempt_n unto_o infidel_n say_v sanders_n allen_n turrian_n 131._o de_fw-fr adorat_fw-la l._n 2._o d._n 5._o c._n 2._o n._n 131._o and_o bellarmine_n but_o this_o exposition_n agree_v not_o with_o the_o intention_n of_o the_o canon_n say_v vasques_n lest_o by_o the_o decay_n of_o the_o wall_n they_o may_v loose_v their_o lustre_n say_v the_o same_o vasques_n 132._o ib._n n._n 132._o the_o council_n be_v but_o provincial_a and_o never_o confirm_v by_o the_o pope_n 247._o ib._n n._n 121._o bell._n imag._n l._n 2._o c._n 36._o bin._n de_fw-fr conc._n in_o hunc_fw-la can._n biblioth_n l._n 5._o ann_n 247._o say_v diverse_a of_o late_a be_v oppress_v with_o the_o objection_n but_o baronius_n and_o binius_fw-la affirm_v that_o it_o be_v a_o lawful_a council_n and_o free_a from_o error_n and_o whatsoever_o the_o occasion_n of_o the_o prohibition_n be_v this_o be_v sure_a the_o council_n of_o eliberis_n do_v absolute_o forbid_v the_o worship_n of_o image_n say_v sixtus_n senensis_n what_o say_v you_o now_o to_o this_o language_n of_o babel_n can_v you_o gather_v any_o certainty_n for_o your_o faith_n out_o of_o such_o confusion_n certain_o you_o can_v and_o if_o many_o father_n lay_v their_o head_n together_o in_o a_o general_a council_n may_v even_o in_o then_o decree_v of_o faith_n use_v inconvenient_a speech_n either_o by_o superfluity_n of_o term_n or_o disorderly_o place_v they_o and_o the_o like_a so_o that_o noâ—â—â—_n much_o the_o word_n as_o the_o sâ—â—â—e_n be_v to_o be_v regard_v 12._o de_fw-fr council_n l._n 2._o c._n 12._o as_o your_o bellarmine_n affirm_v 〈◊〉_d you_o reâ—deâ—_n any_o reason_n why_o some_o few_o of_o they_o write_v funder_o one_o from_o another_o may_v not_o also_o fail_v in_o their_o term_n and_o thereby_o leave_v the_o reader_n mind_n in_o suspense_n and_o do_v what_o their_o true_a meaning_n shall_v be_v the_o very_a syâ—â—â—_n of_o trent_n have_v not_o speak_v so_o plain_o but_o that_o it_o have_v leave_v scruple_n in_o the_o mind_n of_o some_o and_o yet_o good_a god_n faith_n campian_n what_o variety_n of_o nation_n 4._o rat._n 4._o what_o choice_n of_o bishop_n out_o of_o the_o whole_a world_n what_o majesty_n of_o king_n and_o state_n what_o marrow_n of_o divine_n what_o holiness_n what_o tear_n what_o fast_v what_o flower_n of_o university_n what_o tongue_n what_o subtlety_n what_o industry_n what_o infinite_a read_n what_o richesse_n of_o virtue_n and_o study_n replenish_v that_o more_o than_o humane_a sanctuary_n all_o which_o notwithstanding_o bellarmine_n and_o sixtus_n senensis_n accord_v not_o in_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o three_o session_n touch_v the_o number_n of_o the_o canonical_a book_n 7._o de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 7._o for_o bellarmine_n think_v that_o the_o seven_o last_o chapter_n of_o hester_n follow_v after_o the_o ten_o be_v by_o the_o council_n admit_v into_o the_o canon_n 8._o biblioth_n l._n 1._o &_o 8._o but_o sixtus_n think_v no._n neither_o yet_o be_v bellarmine_n and_o ambrose_n catharin_n agree_v about_o the_o eleven_o canon_n of_o the_o seven_o session_n concern_v the_o necessity_n of_o the_o priest_n intention_n to_o make_v a_o sacrament_n the_o one_o affirm_v it_o 6._o de_fw-fr sacram._n in_o gen_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 27._o opusc_n de_fw-fr intent_n minist_n ib._n de_fw-fr lap_n &_o pecc_fw-la or_o c._n 6._o the_o other_o deny_v it_o nor_o last_o be_v they_o resolve_v of_o the_o counsel_n mind_n touch_v original_a sin_n catharin_n who_o have_v be_v in_o the_o council_n a_o great_a stickler_n 1â—_n bell._n the_o s_n great_a l._n 5._o c._n 1â—_n define_v it_o only_o by_o the_o imputation_n of_o adam_n sin_n other_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v more_o than_o so_o and_o that_o upon_o the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n too_o i_o can_v easy_o instance_n in_o sundry_a other_o point_n but_o these_o be_v enough_o to_o let_v you_o see_v that_o the_o oracle_n of_o loxiaâ—_n go_v 〈◊〉_d more_o perplex_v than_o the_o decree_n of_o this_o tridented_a conventicle_n whether_o they_o be_v frame_v so_o of_o purpose_n or_o no_o i_o can_v tell_v many_o shrewd_o suspect_v it_o sure_o i_o be_o it_o have_v be_v so_o far_o from_o stint_v of_o quarrel_n that_o in_o many_o thing_n it_o have_v be_v and_o still_o be_v the_o matter_n and_o fuel_n of_o contention_n howsoever_o see_v the_o father_n oftentimes_o write_v so_o dark_o and_o ambiguous_o that_o there_o be_v great_a doubt_n make_v not_o only_o between_o you_o and_o we_o but_o among_o your_o chief_a doctor_n also_o what_o their_o right_a meaning_n shall_v be_v i_o conclude_v and_o that_o according_a to_o your_o own_o rule_n that_o consent_n of_o father_n can_v be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n to_o build_v upon_o but_o what_o if_o the_o more_o part_n of_o father_n consent_n in_o error_n even_o in_o those_o point_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n herself_o condemn_v will_v you_o not_o then_o free_o confess_v that_o such_o consent_n be_v not_o so_o firm_a and_o sure_o a_o ground_n as_o you_o take_v it_o to_o be_v doubtless_o you_o will_v unless_o you_o be_v too_o too_o wilful_a and_o obstinate_a in_o your_o opinion_n let_v we_o therefore_o a_o little_a examine_v this_o point_n that_o christ_n after_o the_o first_o resurrection_n shall_v live_v with_o his_o elect_a hereupon_o earth_n for_o a_o thousand_o year_n in_o all_o peace_n and_o happiness_n until_o the_o second_o resurrection_n be_v the_o error_n of_o the_o millenaries_n and_o just_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o papias_n saint_n john_n the_o apostle_n auditor_n 347._o sixt._n senens_fw-la l._n 5._o ann_n 233._o &_o 6._o ann_n 347._o apollinarius_n irenaus_n tertullianus_n victorinus_n pitabionensis_n lactantius_n severus_n sulpitius_n justin_n martyr_n and_o a_o great_a multitude_n of_o other_o catholic_a man_n be_v of_o the_o â—â—me_n opinion_n all_o be_v deceive_v by_o misunderstanding_n that_o in_o the_o revelation_n and_o they_o shall_v reign_v with_o he_o a_o thousand_o year_n s._n augustin_n speak_v very_o tender_o of_o it_o 4._o de_fw-fr civet_n dei_fw-la l._n 20._o c._n 7._o in_o jer._n l._n 4._o calling_z it_o neither_o error_n not_o heresy_n himself_o have_v sometime_o hold_v it_o and_o hierome_n dare_v not_o condemn_v it_o because_o so_o many_o churchman_n and_o martyr_n have_v say_v it_o that_o the_o soul_n of_o just_a man_n after_o their_o dissolution_n see_v not_o the_o face_n of_o god_n until_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n be_v a_o error_n and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o the_o liturgy_n father_v upon_o saint_n james_n irenaeus_n justin_n tertullian_n clemens_n romanus_n origen_n lactantius_n victorinus_n martyr_n prudentius_n ambrose_n chrysostome_n the_o author_n of_o the_o unperfect_a work_n on_o matthew_n augustin_n theodoret_n arethas_n oecumenius_n theophylact_fw-mi eâ—thymius_n pope_n john_n the_o two_o and_o twenty_o and_o bernard_n hold_v the_o same_o who_o particular_a word_n sixtus_n senensis_n record_v in_o his_o library_n â—_o lib._n 6._o annot_v 345._o stapl._n de_fw-fr auth_v sc._n l._n 1._o c._n â—_o i_o be_o not_o ignorant_a how_o sixtus_n there_o labour_v to_o excuse_v they_o but_o other_o of_o his_o pewfellow_n find_v their_o word_n so_o pregnant_a that_o they_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n salve_v they_o that_o the_o thrice_o bless_a virgin_n mary_n be_v conceive_v in_o original_a sin_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n hold_v to_o be_v a_o error_n 148._o 3._o d._n 117._o n._n 148._o for_o not_o only_o the_o unskilful_a vulgar_a but_o the_o doctor_n and_o divine_n and_o all_o catholics_n with_o one_o consent_n fight_v for_o the_o immaculate_a conception_n say_v vasques_n and_o why_o have_v your_o church_n by_o her_o authority_n command_v the_o feast_n of_o â—â—r_a conception_n to_o be_v celebrate_v unless_o she_o be_v conceive_v without_o sin_n 11._o de_fw-fr consecr_n d._n 4._o firmissime_fw-la n._n 11._o yet_o cardinal_n turrâ—cremata_fw-la affirm_v that_o all_o the_o doctor_n in_o a_o manner_n maintain_v the_o contrary_a and_o that_o he_o have_v gather_v together_o the_o testimony_n of_o three_o hundred_o to_o that_o effect_n note_v the_o very_a place_n and_o word_n wherein_o they_o affirm_v it_o 5._o part._n 1._o q._n 1._o d._n 5._o and_o dominicus_n bannes_n say_v that_o it_o be_v the_o general_a consent_n of_o the_o holy_a doctor_n that_o she_o be_v conceive_v in_o sin_n and_o yet_o the_o contrary_n be_v hold_v in_o the_o church_n to_o be_v not_o only_o probable_a but_o very_o godly_a that_o angel_n and_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v bodily_a 5._o actione_n 5._o visible_a and_o circumscriptible_a be_v a_o error_n and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o three_o hundred_o father_n such_o as_o they_o be_v and_o fifty_o upon_o the_o head_n of_o they_o in_o the_o second_o council_n of_o nice_a avouch_v it_o and_o allege_v the_o
authority_n of_o basil_n surname_v the_o great_a bless_a athanasius_n methodius_n and_o their_o follower_n for_o it_o if_o any_o shall_v say_v it_o be_v the_o opinion_n only_o of_o john_n b._n of_o thessalonica_n and_o not_o of_o the_o whole_a council_n i_o answer_v that_o what_o john_n say_v tharasius_n patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n forthwith_o confirm_v and_o the_o whole_a synod_n immediate_o answer_v so_o it_o be_v my_o lord_n and_o this_o be_v so_o clear_a that_o bartholomew_n carranza_n note_v it_o as_o a_o error_n in_o they_o 12._o epit._n conc._n ad_fw-la cum_fw-la loc_fw-la ep._n 215._o de_fw-fr eccl._n dog_n c._n 11._o &_o 12._o and_o contrary_a unto_o the_o lateran_n council_n yet_o add_v withal_o that_o saint_n augustin_n be_v of_o the_o same_o mind_n but_o leave_v other_o their_o error_n i_o come_v without_o further_a delay_n to_o discharge_v that_o obligation_n wherein_o i_o stand_v bind_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o father_n for_o a_o time_n general_o hold_v it_o necessary_a for_o all_o even_o young_a infant_n to_o be_v partaker_n of_o the_o eucharist_n 4._o conc._n trid._n sess_n 5._o can_n 4._o or_o they_o can_v not_o be_v save_v which_o you_o know_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n allow_v not_o but_o condemn_v as_o a_o error_n 3._o eccl._n hire_n c._n 2._o p._n 3._o first_o your_o denys_n he_o that_o go_v under_o the_o name_n of_o areopagita_n after_o he_o have_v recite_v other_o ceremony_n in_o the_o administration_n of_o baptism_n at_o length_n say_v he_o the_o priest_n call_v the_o party_n baptise_a to_o the_o most_o holy_a eucharist_n and_o give_v the_o communion_n unto_o he_o and_o lest_o you_o shall_v understand_v this_o of_o they_o that_o be_v baptize_v be_v adulti_fw-la 3._o id._n 7._o c._n 3._o elsewhere_o he_o speak_v more_o plain_o thus_o that_o child_n who_o can_v yet_o understand_v divine_a thing_n shall_v be_v make_v partaker_n of_o holy_a baptism_n and_o of_o the_o mystical_a sign_n of_o the_o most_o holy_a communion_n may_v perhaps_o seem_v ridiculous_a to_o profane_a man_n lapsis_fw-la de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la if_o the_o auditor_n when_o bishop_n teach_v such_o heavenly_a thing_n be_v not_o fit_a saint_n cyprian_n report_v a_o story_n of_o a_o certain_a infant_n maid_n who_o have_v not_o yet_o age_n enough_o to_o tell_v what_o wrong_v another_o have_v do_v she_o how_o when_o the_o deacon_n have_v offer_v the_o holy_a chalice_n unto_o she_o and_o she_o refuse_v he_o pour_v it_o into_o her_o mouth_n ibid._n ibid._n and_o a_o little_a after_o will_v not_o those_o infant_n say_v he_o when_o the_o day_n of_o judgement_n shall_v come_v say_v we_o have_v do_v nothing_o neither_o forsake_v the_o meat_n and_o cup_n of_o the_o lord_n have_v we_o of_o our_o own_o accord_n hasten_v to_o these_o profane_a contagion_n the_o perfidiousness_n of_o other_o have_v overthrow_v we_o our_o parent_n be_v our_o murderer_n innocent_n the_o first_o b._n of_o rome_n milou_n ep._n ad_fw-la patr._n conc_fw-fr milou_n that_o which_o your_o brotherhood_n say_v he_o affirm_v they_o to_o preach_v namely_o that_o little_a one_o may_v obtain_v the_o reward_n of_o eternal_a life_n without_o the_o grace_n of_o baptism_n be_v very_o foolish_a for_o unless_o they_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n they_o can_v have_v life_n in_o they_o 2._o con._n jul._n pel._n l._n 1._o c._n 2._o of_o this_o innocentius_n s._n augustin_n say_v how_o he_o define_v that_o little_a one_o unless_o they_o do_v eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n they_o can_v by_o no_o mean_n have_v life_n in_o they_o now_o i_o beseech_v you_o dare_v any_o man_n at_o that_o time_n hold_v otherwise_o then_o the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n for_o so_o you_o count_v the_o pope_n to_o be_v have_v define_v but_o let_v we_o hear_v saint_n augustin_n himself_o very_o 22._o con._n dvas_fw-la ep._n pel._n l._n 1._o c._n 22._o say_v he_o christ_n be_v the_o saviour_n of_o little_a one_o also_o and_o unless_o they_o 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