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A55374 A dialogue between a popish priest, and an English Protestant. Wherein the principal points and arguments of both religions are truly proposed, and fully examined. / By Matthew Poole, author of Synopsis Criticorum. Poole, Matthew, 1624-1679. 1667 (1667) Wing P2828; ESTC R40270 104,315 254

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nullity_n chap_n 5._o 5._o greg._n de_fw-fr valentiâ_fw-la valentiâ_fw-la diligenter_fw-la nota_fw-la quod_fw-la eujusmodi_fw-la gratia_fw-la non_fw-la dantur_fw-la pauperibus_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la ideo_fw-la non_fw-la possunt_fw-la consolari_fw-la taxa_fw-la cancellariae_fw-la apostolicae_fw-la tit._n de_fw-fr matrimoniali_fw-la matrimoniali_fw-la nam_fw-la indulgentiae_fw-la fiunt_fw-la ad_fw-la relevandam_fw-la indigentiam_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la quae_fw-la non_fw-la relevatur_fw-la per_fw-la solam_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la dandi_fw-la sed_fw-la per_fw-la datum_fw-la de_fw-fr potestate_fw-la papoe_n quest_n 30._o art_n 3._o 3._o quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la remissionem_fw-la poenae_fw-la quae_fw-la acquiritur_fw-la per_fw-la indulgentiam_fw-la in_fw-la tali_fw-la causa_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la inconveniens_fw-la quod_fw-la dive_v sit_fw-la melioris_fw-la conditionis_fw-la quâm_fw-la pauper_fw-la ibi_fw-la enim_fw-la non_fw-la dicitur_fw-la venite_fw-la &_o emite_fw-la 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