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A07100 A discouerie of the manifold corruptions of the Holy Scriptures by the heretikes of our daies specially the English sectaries, and of their foule dealing herein, by partial & false translations to the aduantage of their heresies, in their English Bibles vsed and authorised since the time of schisme. By Gregory Martin one of the readers of diuinitie in the English College of Rhemes. Martin, Gregory, d. 1582. 1582 (1582) STC 17503; ESTC S112358 197,731 362

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solecism_n in_o greek_a &_o no_o more_o elegancy_n then_o to_o say_v in_o latin_a in_o meo_fw-la sanguine_fw-la fusus_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la which_o in_o the_o school_n deserve_v whip_v and_o yet_o you_o ask_v very_o vehement_o concern_v these_o word_n hic_fw-la calix_fw-la nowm_fw-la testamentum_fw-la in_o meo_fw-la sanguine_fw-la qui_fw-la pro_fw-la vobis_fw-la fundetur_fw-la what_o mean_a grammarian_n will_v refer_v qui_fw-la to_o calix_fw-la and_o not_o to_o sanguis_fw-la i_o answer_n that_o a_o mere_a latinist_n for_o ignorance_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n will_v refer_v it_o rather_o as_o you_o say_v but_o he_o that_o know_v the_o greek_a as_o you_o seem_v to_o do_v though_o he_o be_v a_o very_a young_a grammarian_n will_v easy_o see_v it_o can_v not_o so_o be_v refer_v as_o in_o the_o like_o act._n 14._o sacerdos_n quoque_fw-la jovis_fw-la qui_fw-la erat_fw-la ante_fw-la civitatem_fw-la eorum_fw-la here_o qui_fw-la be_v ambiguous_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d but_o in_o the_o greek_a we_o see_v that_o qui_fw-la must_v be_v refer_v to_o jovis_fw-la and_o can_v not_o be_v refer_v to_o sacerdos_n 40_o and_o this_o be_v one_o commodity_n among_o other_o that_o we_o reap_v of_o the_o greek_a text_n to_o resolve_v the_o ambiguity_n that_o be_v sometime_o in_o the_o latin_a whereas_o you_o neither_o admit_v the_o one_o nor_o the_o other_o but_o as_o you_o listen_v neither_o do_v the_o greek_a satisfy_v you_o be_v it_o never_o so_o plain_a and_o infallible_a but_o you_o will_v devise_v that_o it_o be_v corrupt_v that_o there_o be_v a_o solecism_n that_o the_o same_o solecism_n be_v a_o elegancy_n and_o thereupon_o you_o translate_v your_o own_o devise_n and_o not_o the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o whence_o can_v it_o proceed_v but_o of_o most_o wilful_a corruption_n see_v chap._n 17._o nu_fw-la 10.11.12_o 41_o if_o in_o ambiguous_a hebrew_n word_n of_o doubtful_a signification_n where_o the_o greek_a give_v one_o certain_a sense_n you_o refuse_v the_o greek_a &_o take_v your_o advantage_n of_o the_o other_o sense_n what_o be_v this_o but_o wilful_a partiality_n so_o you_o do_v in_o redimo_fw-la eleemosynis_fw-la peccata_fw-la tua_fw-la dan._n 4._o &_o inclinavi_fw-la cor_fw-la meum_fw-la ad_fw-la faciendas_fw-la iustificationes_fw-la tuas_fw-la propter_fw-la retributionem_fw-la 138._o ps_n 118_o octon_n nun._n ps_n 138._o and_o nimis_fw-la honorati_fw-la sunt_fw-la amici_fw-la tui_fw-la deus_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o yet_o at_o a_o other_o time_n you_o follow_v the_o determination_n of_o the_o greek_a for_o a_o other_o advantage_n as_o psal_n 98._o adore_v his_o footstool_n because_o he_o be_v holy_a whereas_o in_o the_o hebrew_n it_o may_v be_v as_o in_o our_o latin_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o it_o be_v holy_a see_v cha_n 13._o nu_fw-la 18._o chap._n 9_o nu_fw-la 23.24_o chap._n 18._o nu_fw-la 1.2_o so_o you_o flee_v from_o the_o hebrew_n to_o the_o greek_a and_o from_o this_o to_o that_o again_o from_o both_o to_o the_o vulgar_a latin_a as_o be_v show_v in_o other_o place_n and_o as_o s._n augustine_n say_v to_o faustus_n the_o manichee_n 2._o li._n 11._o cont_n faust_n c._n 2._o you_o be_v the_o rule_n of_o truth_n whatsoever_o be_v for_o you_o be_v true_a whatsoever_o be_v against_o you_o be_v not_o true_a 42_o what_o shall_v i_o speak_v of_o the_o hebrew_n particle_n vau_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o gen._n 14._o v._n 18_o must_v in_o no_o case_n be_v translate_v because_o lest_o it_o shall_v prove_v that_o melchisedec_n offer_v sacrifice_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n as_o all_o the_o father_n expound_v it_o but_o luc._n 1._o v._n 42_o where_o they_o translate_v the_o equivalent_a greek_a particle_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d there_o beza_n prove_v the_o say_a particle_n to_o signify_v because_o tui_fw-la quia_fw-la benedictus_n for_o &_o benedictus_n fructus_fw-la ventris_fw-la tui_fw-la &_o translate_v according_o &_o the_o english_a bezites_n likewise_o i_o will_v not_o urge_v they_o why_o we_o like_v the_o sense_n well_o and_o theophylacte_n so_o expound_v it_o but_o if_o the_o greek_a copulative_a may_v be_v so_o translate_v why_o not_o the_o hebrew_n copulative_a much_o more_o which_o often_o in_o the_o scripture_n be_v use_v in_o that_o sense_n see_v chap._n 17._o nu_fw-la 13.14_o 43_o but_o i_o will_v ask_v rather_o 28._o luc._n 1._o v._n 28._o why_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v not_o in_o any_o case_n be_v translate_v full_a of_o grace_n whereas_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v translate_v 20_o luc._n 16._o v._n 20_o full_a of_o sore_n both_o word_n be_v of_o like_a form_n and_o force_n see_v chap._n 18._o nu_fw-la 4.5_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 44_o again_o why_o say_v they_o hebr._n 13_o let_v your_o
part_n be_v true_a it_o be_v madness_n to_o dispute_v whether_o all_o the_o aunciént_a father_n err_v or_o rather_o the_o new_a protestant_n as_o it_o be_v more_o than_o madness_n to_o think_v that_o luther_n alone_o may_v see_v the_o truth_n more_o than_o a_o thousand_o augustine_n a_o thousand_o cyprian_n a_o thousand_o church_n which_o not_o withstand_v the_o palpable_a absurdity_n thereof_o 101._o pag._n 101._o yet_o m._n whitaker_n avouch_v it_o very_o solemn_o 13_o and_o yet_o again_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v how_o they_o play_v fast_o and_o loose_a at_o their_o pleasure_n this_o be_v the_o man_n that_o when_o he_o have_v give_v we_o all_o the_o father_n on_o our_o side_n not_o only_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o penance_n 109._o pag._n 109._o but_o also_o *_o 101._o pag._n 101._o in_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o in_o diverse_a other_o error_n as_o he_o call_v they_o the_o very_a same_o man_n i_o say_v in_o the_o very_a next_o leave_v almost_o 117._o pag._n 114._o 117._o renew_v m._n juel_n old_a brag_n that_o we_o have_v not_o one_o clear_a sentence_n for_o we_o of_o any_o one_o father_n within_o six_o hundred_o year_n after_o christ_n and_o again_o that_o the_o same_o faith_n reign_v now_o in_o england_n which_o these_o father_n profess_a what_o faith_n m._n whitaker_n not_o their_o faith_n concern_v penance_n or_o invocation_n of_o saint_n as_o yourself_o confess_v or_o other_o such_o like_a error_n of_o they_o as_o you_o term_v they_o why_o be_v you_o so_o forgetful_a or_o rather_o so_o impudent_a to_o speak_v contrary_n in_o so_o little_a a_o room_n such_o simple_a answer_a will_v not_o serve_v your_o adversary_n learned_a book_n which_o you_o in_o vain_a go_v about_o by_o foolish_a rhetoric_n to_o disgrace_n when_o the_o world_n see_v you_o be_v drive_v to_o the_o brickwall_n &_o either_o can_v say_v nothing_o or_o do_v say_v that_o which_o confute_v itself_o with_o the_o evident_a absurdity_n thereof_o 14_o but_o to_o leave_v m._n whitaker_n who_o be_v a_o simple_a companion_n to_o sit_v in_o judgement_n upon_o all_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n &_o to_o condemn_v they_o of_o heinous_a error_n in_o the_o matter_n of_o penance_n i_o trust_v the_o reader_n see_v by_o the_o former_a discourse_n the_o usual_a ecclesiastical_a signification_n and_o consequent_o both_o the_o true_a and_o false_a translation_n of_o the_o foresay_a greek_a word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d not_o that_o they_o must_v or_o may_v always_o be_v translate_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d penance_n or_o do_v penance_n for_o in_o the_o scripture_n god_n be_v say_v poenitentiam_fw-la agere_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d who_o can_v not_o be_v say_v to_o do_v penance_n no_o more_o than_o he_o can_v be_v say_v to_o amend_v his_o life_n as_o the_o protestant_n common_o translate_v this_o word_n therefore_o i_o conclude_v that_o this_o word_n be_v speak_v of_o god_n in_o the_o scripture_n be_v no_o more_o prejudice_n against_o our_o translation_n of_o do_v penance_n than_o it_o be_v against_o they_o of_o amendment_n of_o life_n likewise_o when_o it_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o reprobate_n &_o damn_a in_o hell_n agentes_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sap._n 5._o poenitentiam_fw-la agentes_fw-la who_o as_o they_o can_v not_o do_v penance_n propre_o so_o much_o less_o amend_v their_o life_n 15_o moreover_o it_o be_v purposely_o against_o penance_n that_o they_o translate_v amiss_o both_o in_o daniel_n &_o esdras_n 10._o esd_v c_o 9_o dan._n 10._o who_o voluntary_a mourning_n fast_a afflict_v of_o themselves_o for_o their_o own_o sin_n and_o the_o people_n be_v notorious_o set_v forth_o in_o their_o book_n there_o they_o make_v the_o angel_n say_v thus_o to_o daniel_n 1579._o v._o 12._o bib._n 1579._o from_o the_o first_o day_n that_o thou_o do_v set_v thy_o hart_n to_o humble_v thyself_o what_o be_v this_o humble_v himself_o can_v we_o gather_v any_o penance_n thereby_o none_o at_o al._n but_o if_o they_o have_v say_v according_a to_o the_o hebrew_n greek_n and_o latin_a affligeres_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d ut_fw-la te_fw-la affligeres_fw-la from_o the_o first_o day_n that_o thou_o do_v set_v thy_o hart_n to_o afflicy_n thyself_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d we_o shall_v easy_o conceive_v work_n of_o penance_n and_o it_o will_v include_v daniel_n mourning_n fast_v from_o flesh_n wine_n and_o other_o meat_n abstain_v from_o ointment_n the_o space_n of_o the_o day_n mention_v in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o same_o chapter_n 16_o again_o in_o all_o their_o bible_n of_o the_o year_n 1562._o 1577._o 1579._o they_o make_v esdras_n c._n 9_o 5._o after_o his_o exceed_a great_a penance_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d say_v only_o this_o about_o the_o evening_n sacrifice_n i_o arise_v up_o from_o my_o heaviness_n neither_o translate_n the_o hebrew_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v the_o same_o word_n that_o in_o daniel_n nor_o the_o greek_a which_o signify_v affliction_n and_o humiliation_n 17_o again_o in_o the_o prophet_n malachi_n c._n 3_o 14._o they_o translate_v thus_o you_o have_v say_v it_o be_v but_o vain_a to_o serve_v god_n and_o what_o profit_n be_v it_o that_o we_o have_v keep_v his_o commandment_n and_o walk_v humble_o before_o his_o face_n what_o be_v this_o same_o humble_o when_o we_o say_v in_o english_a he_o go_v humble_o we_o imagine_v or_o conceive_v no_o more_o but_o this_o that_o he_o be_v a_o humble_a man_n and_o behave_v himself_o humble_o but_o they_o know_v very_o well_o the_o prophet_n speak_v of_o a_o other_o thing_n and_o if_o it_o have_v please_v they_o to_o have_v translate_v the_o hebrew_n word_n full_o and_o significant_o in_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d they_o may_v have_v learn_v by_o conference_n of_o other_o place_n where_o the_o same_o hebrew_n word_n be_v use_v that_o it_o signify_v such_o heaviness_n sadness_n sorowfulnes_n and_o affliction_n as_o man_n express_v by_o black_a mourn_a garment_n the_o nature_n of_o the_o word_n import_v blackness_n darkness_n lower_v &_o the_o like_a which_o be_v far_o more_o than_o walk_v humble_o and_o which_o be_v whole_o suppress_v by_o so_o translate_n see_v the_o psalm_n 34._o v._n 14._o ps_n 37._o v._n 7._o ps_n 41._o v._n 10._o where_o the_o prophet_n use_v many_o word_n &_o speech_n to_o express_v sorrowful_a penance_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o for_o that_o which_o in_o latin_a be_v always_o contristatus_fw-la in_o greek_a a_o word_n more_o significant_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o hebrew_n it_o be_v the_o same_o kind_n of_o word_n that_o they_o translate_v humble_o whereas_o in_o deed_n this_o word_n have_v no_o signification_n of_o humility_n propre_o no_o not_o of_o that_o humility_n i_o mean_v which_o be_v rather_o to_o be_v call_v humiliation_n or_o affliction_n as_o the_o greek_a word_n imply_v but_o it_o signify_v propre_o the_o very_a manner_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d countenance_n gesture_n habit_n of_o a_o pensife_n or_o forlorn_a man_n and_o if_o they_o will_v say_v that_o they_o so_o translate_v it_o in_o other_o place_n the_o more_o be_v their_o fault_n that_o know_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o word_n they_o will_v notwithstanding_o suppress_v the_o force_n and_o signification_n thereof_o in_o any_o one_o place_n &_o so_o translate_v it_o that_o the_o reader_n must_v needs_o take_v it_o in_o a_o other_o sense_n and_o can_v not_o possible_o conceive_v that_o which_o the_o word_n import_v for_o to_o walk_v humble_o sound_v in_o all_o english_a ear_n the_o virtue_n of_o humility_n which_o this_o word_n do_v never_o signify_v and_o not_o humility_n or_o humiliation_n by_o affliction_n which_o it_o may_v signify_v though_o secondare_o and_o by_o deduction_n only_o 18_o again_o what_o be_v it_o else_o but_o against_o penance_n &_o satisfaction_n that_o they_o deface_v these_o usual_a and_o know_v word_n of_o daniel_n to_o the_o king_n redimo_fw-la eleemosynis_fw-la peccatatua_n 24._o dan._n 4_o 24._o redeem_v thy_o sin_n with_o alm_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d alter_v and_o translate_n it_o thus_o break_v of_o thy_o sin_n by_o righteousness_n first_o the_o greek_a be_v against_o they_o which_o be_v word_n for_o word_n according_a to_o the_o vulgar_a and_o common_a read_n second_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o chaldee_n word_n which_o they_o translate_v break_v of_o by_o munster_n own_o judgement_n in_o lexico_fw-la chald._n signify_v rather_o and_o more_o principal_o to_o redeem_v three_o the_o other_o word_n which_o they_o translate_v righteousness_n in_o the_o scripture_n signify_v also_o eleemosynam_fw-la as_o the_o greek_a interpreter_n translate_v it_o deut._n 6._o &_o 24._o and_o it_o be_v most_o plain_a in_o s._n matthew_n where_o our_o saviour_n say_v
also_o a_o great_a hebrician_n do_v not_o read_v as_o now_o we_o have_v in_o the_o hebrew_n mittamus_fw-la destruamus_fw-la ponamus_fw-la mittamus_fw-la nashchîtha_n but_o nashitha_n or_o nashlîcha_n again_o the_o hebrew_n word_n that_o now_o be_v do_v so_o little_o agree_v with_o the_o word_n follow_a that_o they_o can_v tell_v how_o to_o translate_v it_o as_o appeareth_z by_o the_o diversity_n and_o difference_n of_o their_o translation_n thereof_o before_o mention_v and_o transpose_v the_o word_n in_o english_a otherwise_o then_o in_o the_o hebrew_n neither_o of_o both_o their_o translation_n have_v any_o commodious_a sense_n or_o understanding_n 20_o but_o yet_o they_o will_v pretend_v that_o for_o the_o first_o word_n at_o the_o least_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v blame_v because_o they_o follow_v the_o hebrew_n that_o now_o be_v not_o consider_v that_o if_o this_o be_v a_o good_a excuse_n than_o may_v they_o as_o well_o follow_v the_o hebrew_n that_o now_o be_v psal_n 21._o v._n 18_o and_o so_o utter_o suppress_v and_o take_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n this_o notable_a prophecy_n they_o pierce_v my_o hand_n and_o my_o foot_n which_o yet_o they_o do_v not_o neither_o can_v they_o do_v it_o for_o shame_n if_o they_o will_v be_v count_v christian_n so_o that_o in_o deed_n to_o follow_v the_o hebrew_n sometime_o where_o it_o be_v corrupt_v be_v no_o sufficient_a excuse_n for_o they_o though_o it_o may_v have_v a_o pretence_n of_o true_a translation_n and_o we_o promise_v in_o the_o preface_n in_o such_o case_n not_o to_o call_v it_o heretical_a translation_n 9_o that_o water_n and_o wine_n ought_v to_o be_v mingle_v in_o the_o chalice_n pro._n 9_o 21_o but_o concern_v the_o b._n sacrament_n let_v we_o see_v once_o more_o how_o true_o they_o follow_v the_o hebrew_n the_o holy_a ghost_n say_v s._n cyprian_n ep_v 63_o nu_fw-la 2._o by_o solomon_n foreshow_v a_o type_n of_o our_o lord_n sacrifice_n of_o the_o immolate_a host_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n say_v wisdom_n have_v kill_v her_o host_n she_o have_v mingle_v her_o wine_n into_o the_o cup_n come_v you_o eat_v of_o my_o bread_n and_o drink_v the_o wine_n that_o i_o have_v mingle_v for_o you_o speak_v of_o wine_n mingle_v say_v this_o holy_a doctor_n he_o foreshow_v prophetical_o the_o cup_n of_o our_o lord_n mingle_v with_o water_n and_o wine_n so_o do_v s._n hierom_n interpret_v this_o mixture_n or_o mingle_v of_o the_o wine_n in_o the_o chalice_n so_o do_v the_o author_n of_o the_o commentary_n upon_o this_o place_n among_o s._n hieroms_n work_n 20._o see_v s._n augustine_n the_o civit_n dei_fw-la li._n 17_o c._n 20._o so_o do_v the_o other_o father_n so_o that_o there_o be_v great_a importance_n in_o these_o prophetical_a word_n of_o solomon_n she_o have_v mingle_v her_o wine_n into_o the_o cup_n and_o the_o wine_n which_o i_o have_v mingle_v as_o be_v a_o manifest_a prophecy_n of_o christ_n mingle_v water_n and_o wine_n in_o the_o chalice_n at_o his_o last_o supper_n which_o the_o 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