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A68136 A letter vvritten by a true Christian Catholike, to a Romaine pretended Catholike Wherein vppon occasion of controuersie touching the Catholike Church the 12. 13. and 14. Chap. of the Reuelations are breifly and trulie expounded. Which conteine the true estate thereof, from the birth of Christ, to the end of the world. Herbert, William, Sir, 1553?-1593. 1586 (1586) STC 12752.5; ESTC S112797 52,029 90

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godly deuout and cōmendable If the discipline be according to the Law of God according to the direction of godly Magistrates according to the councel and commandements of the Apostles and according to the vse and practise of the purest churches whereof the holy scriptures are true records vnto vs we iustly may accompt it good and sincere Therefore hath God commaunded and all good men commended the studie search reading meditation of the scriptures In the 6. of Deuteronomie wee read Sunto verba ista in corde tuo eaque acutè ingerito filijs tuis ac loquitor de ijs cum sedes domi tuae cum ambulas per viam cum cubas cum surgis alligato ea in signum manui tuae inscribito ea postibus domus tuae portis tuis Let these wordes be in thy harte the same diligently teach vnto thy children and talke of them when thou sittest in thy house and when thou walkest by the way when thou lyest downe and when thou risest vpp binde them for a signe vppon thine hand write them vppon the postes of thine house and vpon thy gate And of the worde of God it is saide in the 4. of Deuteronomie Haec est sapientia vestra ante oculos populorum This is your wisedome before the eyes of the people Abraham saith Habent Mosen Prophetas audiant eos They haue Moses and the Prophets let them heare them Christ saith Scrutamini scripturas search the scriptures S. Paule saith Tota Scriptura diuinitus inspirata vtilis est ad docendum ad arguendum ad corrigendum ad erudiendum in iustitia vt perfectus sit homo Dei ad omne opus bonum instructus The whole scripture inspired of God is profitable to teach to improue to correct and to instruct in righteousnesse that the man of God may be perfecte instructed vnto euery good worke Irenaeus in his thirde booke the first chap. Euangelium in Scripturis Apostoli nobis tradiderunt columnam firmamentum fidei nostrae futurum The Apostles haue deliuered vnto vs the gospell in the scriptures to be the piller and vpholder of our faith Saint Augustin de Ciuitate Dei his 3 booke and first chapter Ciuitatem Dei dicimus cuius Scriptura testis est We call that the citie of God wherof the Scripture is witnesse Saint Ambrose vpon Luke Si qua est Ecclesia quae fidem respuat nec Apostolicae praedicationis fundamenta possideat deserenda est If there bee any church which reiecteth the faithe or possesseth not the foundation of the Apostolike preaching it is to be forsaken Saint Chrysostome vpon the 2. to the Thessalonians the third homely Omnia clara plana sunt in scripturis diuinis quaecunque necessaria sunt manifesta sunt All thinges are cleare and playne in the holie scriptures what thinges soeuer bee necessary are manifest Saint Augustine in his thirde epistle Sacra Scriptura ea quae aperta continet quasi amicus familiaris sine fuco ad cor loquitur indoctorum atque doctorum the holy scripture speaketh those things which it plainelye conteineth like a familiar freind without guile to the hart both of the learned and of the vnlearned And in his booke de vnitate Ecclesiae the 13. chapter Vtrum ipsi Ecclesiam teneant non nisi diuinarum scripturarum canonicis libris ostendant quia nec nos propterea dicimus nobis credere oportere quod in Ecclesia Christi sumus quia ipsam quàm tenemus commendauit Optatus vel Ambrosius vel alij innumerabiles Episcopi aut quia nostrorum Collegarum consilijs ipsa praedicata est aut quia tanta mirabilia fiunt aut quia ille somnium vidit ille spiritu assumptus audiuit Whether they holde the church let them not showe but by the canonicall bookes of the holy scriptures for neither do wee therefore say that we ought to be beleeued because that we are in the church of Christ because Optatus or Ambrosius or other innumerable Bishops haue commended the same which we holde or because it is praised in the counsel of our fellowes or because so great strange things are wrought or because such a one hath sene a dreame or suche a one taken vp in the spirite hath heard Saint Paule writing to the Colossians doth admonish them diligently to reade the scriptures Sermo Christi habitet in vobis copiosè in omni sapientia Let the worde of God dwell in you aboundantly in all wisedome Saint Chrysostome in his 19. homely thereuppon Audite quotquot estis seculares vxori ac liberis praeestis quemadmodum vobis det in mandatis maxime scripturas legere nec leuiter negligenter sed magno studio Heare you as manie as are seculer and haue gouernment ouer wife and children how he giueth you in charge chiefly to reade the scriptures not lightly and carelesly but with great studie Ierome vpon the same place Hic ostenditur verbum Christi non sufficienter sed abundanter etiam Laicos habere debere docere se inuicem vel monere Here it is showed that the laye men also ought to haue the word of Christ not sufficientlye but aboundantly to teach or warne one another Origen vpon Esay the 2. homely Vtinam omnes faceremus illud quod scriptum est Scrutamini Scripturas Would to God we all did that is written searche the scriptures S. Chrysostome vpon Iohn the 13. homely Admoneo maiorem in modum rogo vt libros comparemus I warne and in earnest sort request that we get bookes And in an other place vpon the epistle to the Colossians the 9. homely Audite obsecro seculares omnes comparate vobis biblia animae pharmaca si nihil aliud vultis vel nouum testamentum acquirite Heare I praye you all the seculer prouide vnto your selues the bible the preseruatiue of the soule or the new testament if ye will nothing els And hom 3. de Lazaro Semper hortor hortari non desinam vt non hic tantum attendat is ijs quae dicuntur verum etiam cum domi fueris assiduè divinarum scripturarum lectioni vacetis quod quidem qui priuatim mecum ingressi sunt non destiti inculcare I stil exhorte and will not cease to exhorte that not onelye you attend heere vnto those thinges whiche are spoken but also when you shall bee at home that you would continually apply the reading of holy scriptures which thing I haue not lefte to exhorte those which haue professed themselues with me And againe Ne negligamus nobis parare libros Let vs not despise to get vs bookes And further Sume librum in manus lege historiam omnem quae not a sunt memoria te nens quae obscura sunt parumque manifesta frequenter percurre Take the book in thy hand reade al the historie and keeping in memory those thinges whiche are euident peruse often those that are obscure and lesse euident Of the
perfection of the scriptures Irenaeus Scripturae quidem perfectae sunt quippe a verbo Dei spiritu eius ductae The scripturs truly are perfect for as much as they are sprong out of the word of God and of his spirit Of their authoritie Augustine Maior est Scripturae authoritas quam omnis humani ingenij capacitas comprehendere potest profecto inuiolabilem Sacrarum literarum authoritatem confiteri debemus Greater is the authoritie of the Scripture then the capacity of all mans wit is able to comprehend certainely wee ought to acknowledge the inuiolable authoritie of the holye Scripture Of their authoritye and trueth in an other place Cedamus consentiamus autoritati scripturae sanctae quae nescit falli fallere Let vs giue place and consent to the holy scripture which cannot bee deceiued nor deceiue Finally of the scriptures Irenaeus Scripturis diuinis niti quae certa indubitata veritas est in firma valida petra est do mum suam edificare hac vero derelicta alijs niti quibuscunque doctrinis in certam effusae arenae vnde facilis sit euersio est ruinam struere For one to leane to the holy scriptures which is the certeine and vndoubted truth is to build his house vppon a firme and strong rocke but this being lefte and to leane vnto other doctrins whatsoeuer is to an assured ruine to build vppon the quicke sande whence it is easilye ouerthrowne So that we maye conclude this pointe with S. Ciril Necessarium nobis est diuinas sequi literas in nullo ab earum praescripto discedere It behoueth vs to followe the holy scriptures and in no point to departe from the ordinance thereof It resteth that we showe that the true sense of the scripture is obtayned by waying the circumstaunces of the place by conference of other places by obseruing the proportion of the doctrine by noting how it agreeth with our Catechisme or summary of our faith by feruent prayer often meditation and the holy Ghost working in our harts Touching the first Hillarie sometime Bishoppe of Proycteux giueth vs a good rule Optimus Lector est qui dictorum intelligentiam expectat ex dictis potiùs quam imponat retulerit magis quam attulerit neque cogat id videri dictis contineri quod ante lectionē presumpserit intelligendum He is the best reader that expecteth the vnderstanding of words out of the words rather then putteth thereto and shal carie therefrom rather then bring thereto neither shall enforce that thing to seme conteyned in the words which before the reading he purposed to be vnderstood And againe Intelligentia dictorum ex causis est sumenda dicendi quia non sermoni res sed rei est sermo subiectus Verba sensum enuntiant sensus rationis motum rationis motus veritatem incitat ex verbis igitur sensum sequamur ex sensu rationem intelligamus ex ratione veritatem apprehendamus the vnderstanding of the words is to be taken of the causes of speaking for the matter is not subiecte to the speech but the speech vnto the matter The wordes do show forth the meaning the meaning the motion of reason the motion of reason stirreth vp truth Therefore by the words let vs followe the meaning by the meaning let vs vnderstand the reason by the reason let vs apprehend the truth And againe Dictorum intelligentia aut ex praepositis aut ex consequentibus expectetur Let the vnderstanding of the wordes be looked for either be those thinges that are before or that followe after And for the circumstances Saint Cirill very wel noteth Ante omnia quando locum Scripturae rectè intelligere volumus tria diligenter consideranda sunt tempus quādo scriptum est quod dicitur persona quae dicit vel per quā vel de qua dicitur et res propter quam aut de qua scribitur sic enim absque errore sensum poterimus verum inuestigare Before all thinges when wee will vnderstand a place or the scripture aright three thinges are to be considered the time when that that is spoken is written the person which speaketh or by whom or of whom it is spoken and the thing for the which or of the which it is written for so we may without any error finde out the true sense Conference of places we terme the collation of a fewe with manye of the obscure with such as are more plaine and manifeste whereof great lighte of knowledge and vnderstanding doth proceed For as S. Austen well obserueth Magnifice salubriter spiritus sanctus ita scripturas modificauit vt locis apertioribus fami occurreret obscurioribus autem fastidia detergeret nihil enim ferè de illis obscuritatibus eruitur quod non planissimè distum alibi reperiatur The holy ghoste hath so mightily and helthfully tempred the scriptures that in the plainest places he might satisfie hunger and in the darker places cast away lothsomnesse for of those obscurities nothing almost can be brought forthe which may not be found most plainely spoken of in some other place And in an other place Sacra Scriptura inuitat omnes humili sermone quos non solum manifesta pascat sed etiam secreta exerceat veritate hoc in proruptis quod in reconditis habens sed ne aperta fastidirentur eadē rursus operta desiderantur desiderata quodammodo renouantur renoua ta suauiter intimantur hic salubriter praua corriguntur parua nutriuntur magna oblectantur ingenia Ille huic doctrinae inimicus est animus qui vel errando eam nescit esse saluberrimam vel odit aegrotando medicinam The holie scripture inuiteth all men with gentle speech whome it doth not onely feed with the manifest but also exercise with the hidden verity conteining the selfe same thing in the plaine which it hath in the obscure but least thinges plainelye set downe should become lothesome they againe couered are coueted and so being coueted are in some sort renued and so renued are delightfully intimated that very healthfully the wits of men being euill are corrected being smale are increased beeing deepe are delighted that minde onelye is enemy thereunto which either through error knoweth it not to bee most holsome or being sick hateth medicine And againe Per Scripturas diuinas multo tutius ambulatur quas verbis translatis occupatas cum scrutari volumus aut hoc inde exeat quod non habet controuersiam aut si habeat ex eadem scriptura vbicūque inuentis atque adhibitis eius testibus terminetur By the diuine Scriptures wee walke farre more safely which when we will searche forth being vsed in borrowed woordes either this effect issueth thereof that it hath no further controuersie or if it hath the same may be ended by testimonies whersoeuer gathered and alleadged out of the same scripture Origen vpon Exodus Quis nostrum